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2mon 4d ago by piefed.zip/u/inari in vegan from media.piefed.zip
I swear more carnists follow this channel more closely than vegans, just to downvote.
Also, this place is kind of unmoderated, you should go to vegan@slrpnk.net
Now you're just playing victim.
I guess it appears in the local Lemmy.world feed which is followed by much more random people and a bigger audience, while solarpunks are mostly people who care about ecology.
Slrpnk.net for a happy safe place and Lemmy.world to fight and shitpost with carnists.
The second one can be useful in certain contexts, after all we have a message to share with the world, even if we get shunned by it.
No, this happens on slrpnk as well, but the mods actually ban serial downvoters and remove the ragebait comments.
But yes, .world has a larger base. Still, instead of blocking this community, carnists just try to bash and deliberately downvote every post.
I didn't follow anything. This appears in my page.
But I think it is a silly saying. If I eat meat, then I might as well kick every dog I see in the street and shoot BBs at cats, because I am already an abuser anyway?
Is it more cruel to kick a dog or to cut its throat?
To be fair, it's culturally very normalized to just buy meat and not think about how the animal was treated at all. But I also think people who are genuinely opposed to animal cruelty would agree that cutting their throats is a very cruel thing to do (aside from the treatment on factory farms).
Meat eaters usually lie somewhere between
- "I've never thought about how the animals I eat were treated"
- "I'd rather not support that but I've not managed to break the habit yet"
- "I'm fine with it if I don't have to see it"
- "I don't care"
The first two aren't animal abusers imo, but the last two are.
Yeeehaw fellow meat eater, wanna go murder some endangered species for our cannibalistic glee? I got plenty spare space on my monster truck once I took those filthy seabelts and pollution filters off.
I do agree though that this meme is needlessly offensive.
To quote The Joker, “It’d be funny if it weren’t so pathetic. Oh what the who…I’ll laugh anyway.”
It's entirely possible to do one without doing the other, but you already know that
what is this argument? you can abuse animals without eating them? like that was a thing?
because it doesn't work the other way, unless you are pedantic and say that killing an animal is beyond abuse therefore it isn't
Killing can be done humanely
Hey I want to humanely kill you for my weekends bbq with friends, it's okay if I come this afternoon for you?
Just make it quick. Or not. As long as i don't have to see it and have to think about it.
Well about being quick I can't promise anything, but telling everyone that I killed you humanely afterwards is something I can commit myself. I can even post images of you being happy and shit.
I've seen it often enough to know exactly how important it is to make it quick and clean
you will have to defeat the entire military of the country I am a citizen of as I outsource my security to them with my taxed
Great, that's going to be A LOT of meat.
You can try
But you won't get emotional nor make a drama about it, right?
It will be painless and you will be gone with a smile in your face knowing that your body parts will serve a purpose to make my friends happy for a while in my great BBQ!
Lol nah I'll fight you, winner eats the loser
I don't understand, humanely means that you'll be happy about it. I'm literally doing you a favor.
Lol that's not what that word means
Okay, I literally checked in the dictionary what the word means. Showing kindness, care and sympathy.
Shit now I understand, I forgot to ask you, do you want to die for my bbq?
Not particularly
Fuck, what do I do now? I'm supposed to kill you with kindness, empathy and care, and now you tell me that you don't want to die?
I'll have to check with my lawyers, just be at your home around 19:00 and try to be happy.
Just joking friend, thanks for the fun... Well my point was that there is no such thing as humane killing someone that doesn't want to die. But lets leave the argument here, I'm not feeling too philosophical today hehe.
Have a nice day ;)
"Humane" isn't a binary condition, there are more and less humane ways to kill. If you don't want to die then no shit you won't like dying by any means, you'd definitely still prefer death by decapitation to death by immersion in fire ants.
I understand your point, my view in all of this is that this someone doesn't need to die, it is something we want to do for own pleasure at the expense of other being.
Going back to the "humane" definition.
Can you kill someone that doesn't want to die and doesn't need to die with kindness and sympathy?
In the end is just a matter of perception, you would euthanize your dog if it is terminally sick and in my view this is humane killing, is an act that you do out of sympathy and kindness. But you wouldn't kill your perfectly sane dog to feed your friends at your bbq and call this humane.
The first case may be sympathy, but the other is pure selfishness.
And the word need is very important here, that's what veganism stands for, in the modern era and in majority of places one can renounce eating the meat of other beings and be perfectly healthy just to reduce needless suffering.
Doesn't have to be selfless to be humane, a person killing an animal for selfish reasons can still choose the quickest and least painful method available, or they can torture the animal to death. Both are bad, one is significantly worse.
"Killing humanely" is just about minimising abuse, not nullifying it. Who decides when the abuse is small enough to be called humane? The slaughterhouses marketing their slaughtering as humane.
Yes, it is about minimizing abuse, reducing suffering. There is no nullification of suffering, existing necessarily entails some amount of it, but that's no reason not to try. I agree that veganism is the more ethical decision, and that the people who profit the most from the suffering can't be trusted to define what is and isn't abuse.
say the sentence slowly
I did, now what