Zombie Zoo
2mon 3d ago by lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/Hansae in comicstrips from satwcomic.com
"Children are considered pretty sturdy up here in the North.
During the whole giraffe debate my Faroese housemate was like "I don't see why people are so offended by children seeing an anatomy lesson. On the Faroe Islands school children are shown how to kill a sheep""
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It appears that the Danish are a rather rich if they can afford to cut open African megafauna for educational purposes. I did this with frogs and fish in school (Germany)
I remember the giraffe was genetically unfit and had no takers in the international breeding programme. They needed the room for another animal.
Frogs are endangered species in Denmark, so we never did that.
This is such remarkable logic lol. I guess the other benefit is that lions are more informative, but i bet they're more traumatising for kids since they're closer to human physiology. That said - not a big deal. Face your fears and all that.
I (UK) did sheep eyeballs and must have missed the frog lesson, or maybe it was reserved for A-level students.
A medical student i lived with said she had human disecction within the first month of her undergraduate degree. Like the first two weeks. I guess it helps weed people out / lure them in.
Thats why your king became a frogman
Fish and pig hearts (also Germany)
Aren't school children in US cutting up dead frogs? Or is that just made up by TV?
No no, children in US go to school so they can be dissected after a shooter comes by
Earth worms and a pig fetus for me.
Skipped the pig as I have a bad reaction to formaldehyde. Did a grasshopper at university level. Grew up in a rural community so I have no misgivings about how the sausage is made. Don't waste food if you can use it.
For me it was a sheep's eyeball when I was in 4th grade. This was in 1998.
I did frogs, but also when I was 9, one of the teachers' husband happened to have caught a shark, so we watched that dissection too.
Yeah, we dissected frogs, worms, and fish in eighth grade. In high school, if you took anatomy and physiology, I know they also dissected fetal pigs.
Depends on where your at. We only did owl pellets in my school
Might be a college thing, I never did it in K-12. I graduated '99 for year reference.
That was for the advanced classes, if you were the kids being passed so you wern't "Left Behind" (like myself), you got nothing. Cool science classes cost money and they just want you to pass the tests so they didn't lose their funding.
Is this referring to different countries biology classes? Because in high school we dissected a sheep's head, a pig fetus, rats, and earth worms.
My science teacher wanted to get us euthanized cats from the shelter to dissect. But the school said no, he was disappointed and shared that with us.
Older American.
Where did they get hands on a pig foetus
I don't really know, but they all came sealed in airtight bags that we had to cut open. They had some preservation chemical sealed inside as well, not formaldehyde at the time because it was known to cause cancer. But the smell was something I'll never forget.
There was enough for all of us to pair up and share one, so it was a lot of pig fetuses. They looked like they were very late in the gestational phase about to be born, because they had all their bits, hooves, eyes... basically fully formed newborns right before birth.
I can only imagine someone had a connection with a slaughter house because of the sheep's heads as well. Probably things the farm would toss out but made a buck off of selling for dissection to local labs.
I read the comic, I read the comments, and all I can think is "what the fuck is wrong with humans".
Well you see it all started when a fish decided "fuck this wet shit."
I think the main point is that Scandinavians overall don't like to sugarcoat reality for their children.
Yes, the meat you eat is not magically appearing in the store. Yes, regular school anatomy books are presenting an idealized version of animal and human anatomy, and having a more correct understanding is handy. Luckily, our organs are similar to those of many animals, so you don't have to bring kids to the morgue.
Having in-depth understanding of who animals and humans really are informs better decisions about many things, including vegetarianism (and also medicine and veterinary, too)
In Morocco when they sacrifice a sheep for Aid (Eid) all the men in the families just take the sheep to the roof of the apartment block and hack at the sheep with a blunt knife until it dies. None of these guys know what they’re doing and the other sheep watch their friends getting hacked up while they wait their turn. I’ve never seen it myself but I’ve got a friend who’s been a couple of times and she says it’s brutal.
If Wikipedia is to be believed these people aren't following Islamic rules. I'd wager that this is once again an issue that stems from traditions made for people of a different time. I assume slaughtering animals used to be a common skill but today expecting the average untrained city dwelling man to correctly slaughter a goat once a year inevitably leads to a lot of needlessly suffering animals.
Just for my own sake, if I got told I’m slaughtering a sheep I would sharpen my knife and research how to get it over with as quick as possible. Maybe order some tarps or a kiddie pool for the blood.
No way I’d want to drag that out.
Wikipedia is correct. The Qurbani I've been to usually have a butcher or an experienced member to guide making the right single cut so that the animal does not suffer.
Sounds lovely. Humans are such beautiful creatures.
We are a most creative sort, there's no denying that.
The sheep are blindfolded and cut in a specific artery in my experience?
That is what happens when you know what you're doing. I assume there are people just winging it, just like with everything else.
They should give a government program of sheep killing lessons. Anyone have the king of morocco's email address?
This is not particularly widespread or legal for Muslims in the West and not relevant to the topic at hand. The only use is creating a justification for religious hate.
are you and I reading the same comment? It is a relevant anecdote to the topic at hand -- the comic, depicting that different cultures have different customs, in this case of acceptable practices for butchering animals -- which is not at all a "justification for religious hate".
Personally, being aware of some of the other more brutal customs human civilization has come up with over the centuries (the Aztecs come to mind but I can name more if you wish), what Moroccans do with their sheep seems pretty tame to me.
I get the feeling you're not commenting in good faith, though.
But why bring up that one in particular with a sweeping overgeneralization? It has got that smell. Using sweeping generalizations against people of "lesser" faiths, ethnicities, genders, or other affiliations which are protected always has that kind of smell.
Doesn't sound like they're hating on muslims, it sounds like they're just... bemoaning the poor treatment of foreign sheep.
The issue is not that the sheep aren't being treated badly, but they are generalized to being Muslim.
Being in Charlie Manson's cult isn't an American thing either, although most were Americans.
Is this updated "polandball"?
its Scandinavia and the world its an long running webcomic with i guess similar premise to polandball
thank you, kind internet stranger...friend
I am kind of glad that I didn't have to go through animal guts.
Only thing I ever had to gut in school was fish, only once. And I was about 15 I think. Not too traumatizing.
I remember a biology classroom had a shelf with many skulls and skeletons of rabbits and other small animals though.
Channel 4 once did a documentary dissecting large animals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Nature%27s_Giants
Including a whale, an elephant, etc
Well, in Faroe island they have a tradition to brutally slaughter whales so they may not be ones to emulate.
Those two things are not the same at all, what a nonsense comparison. By that logic any good idea originating from the faroese islands is void. What is all ideas from america automatically voided by all the horrors going on there?
"Don't emulate this idea... Why? Well because the people doing it also has non related bad ideas 😎"
What is all ideas from america automatically voided by all the horrors going on there?
Well... kinda...
It bugs me þat America is buff, and not obese. Þe latter would be more accurate .
You're annoyed at the lack of fatshaming??
I don't know why everyone is so against grave digging, I murder people all the time.
That makes most people not human in your eyes then. Must be nice being able to see everyone as lesser beings.
I meanI guess it was a little over the top lol, but can you look at the OP image again and tell me how that's not a reasonable first reaction to have if you think of animals as thinking feeling creatures?? Also as a dad of two kids, this is the kind of shit I'm up against as a parent.
Also I don't see non-human animals as lesser beings that's just your speciesism projecting
Edit: I guess I meant in the sense that carnists lack empathy and care for others wellbeing, but framing that as human traits is speciesist in itself. I retract my original statement on speciesist grounds. The intent still stands though as an initial reaction, "carnists are demons" or something would have been more appropriate I think, thanks for coming to my ted talk.
Im going to have a steak tonight, ty for the inspiration.
hope you choke on it 🥰
g i v e m e l i b e r t y o r g i v e m e d e a t h
i mean apparently that's your wish...
You really are a sour bag of crayons arent you?
I mean how did you expect me to respond to
"I'm gonna munch on the corpse of the innocently slain just to troll you bro. I'm gonna prove your claims about lack of empathy and compassion exactly right by doing the demonic shit you just called out"
I believe in justice, that's all 🤷 if you partake in the murder of innocents by eating their flesh then I'm not gonna pretend that I hope you get to do it more
MF you came into a comment section about a comic taking the piss out of the faroese for living on a barren rock with sheep, called people basically subhuman if they eat meat and then are being an absolute arse when people dont particularly like that.
You are the reason why vegans have gotten a bit of a reputation.
Ok and here is my POV:
I came into a comment section about a comic depicting the normalization of animal slavery and murder in front of children, with literal blood presented as a cutesy souvenir, for comedic shock effect and expressed my shock at this wanton display of cruelty by calling the people that participate in this knowingly as lacking "humanity" (which is a speciesist way of talking about compassion and empathy) and then refuse to back down from this position. Because, obviously, you need to lack compassion and kindness with the creatures you're intending to butcher. That's just objectively what's happening.
As for your second point, I don't care about the "vegan reputation". People make fun of us no matter how polite and considerate to the babykillers we are. We are simultaneously the soyboy wimps who are too squeamish for the manly murder of baby sheep and the loudmouthed, foul, combative punks who keep disturbing everyone no matter how much you berate them and tell them to shut up. There is no winning so I refuse to play.
Besides, not everything is about outreach and sometimes I just want to comment how I feel without running it through the "oh how will the carnists react to this" filter (ironic then that this got me banned from my instance for trolling lol).
My reaction comes from me being a parent who already has to be very mindful of the carnist propaganda normalizing farm cruelty to babies and kindergardeners with overly cutesy depictions of the non-humans concentration camps. So this comic hit pretty hard, reminding me how this is dialed up to 11 when they will go to school. Outings to zoos and farms for the kulak and animal ag propaganda will be harder to avoid and they might even have to dissect creatures that have been killed just for this purpose? My eldest is already fairly sensitive and I want him to keep empathizing with non-humans, so it seems like the options are I fail and he sees non-humans as not deserving of compassion and kindness or he gets minitraumas constantly in the places he's supposed to feel safe at.
Lets also not pretend this exchange is one sided. When I explained my POV in clear terms (and I guess I could've sugarcoated it somewhat I know how fragile carnists ego are but honestly this is often too tiring) your immediate reaction was "i'm gonna troll this guy by telling him just how much I love killing and make him feel bad by shifting the blame for this act on his rudeness". Why is it that we are constantly expected to react politely to people being offensive to us and never the other way around? Maybe if you had been more polite I'd be more receptive to deescalation? Why are we the ones that are expected to deescalate, when in fact we are calling out injustice that is so normalized it doesn't even register to most? Do you not see the contradiction here?
This answer is already fairly long and I guess serves as the proof that yeah I would've been calmer if you had been so I'm gonna leave it at that.
Most of the animals we eat would've never existed had they not been reared for the meat industry, however I do think that factory farming is barbaric and thusly while I do eat meat I do try my best to get it from free range sources.
We will have a fundamentally different view on how animals are to be treated, we should try and treat them with kindness and give them as happy life as possible but I see nothing morally wrong with eating them so long as they are humanely killed.
Having said that we do eat far too much meat in society and generally I eat vegetarian meals for 5-6 days of the week with a very high quality free range something or other on the (mainly a weekend) day.
I do think that you coming into this comics comment section was legitimately looking to get upset and you're kinda ignoring the point of the comic but alas. Ultimately we'd have to agree to disagree as I doubt we'll ever see eye to eye on the matter of meat consumption.
Ok honestly I don't give a shit how you try to justify your murderspree to yourself. How you're trying to make it seem that you're a good person despite all the murder. I don't know why you felt the need to explain yourself to me. Have you seen a litter of kittens? Or puppies? How would you react if someone took all the babies away from their momma, caged her and milked her dry, only to forcibly impregnate her again the next year and repeat for the sole reason to keep the milk coming? What would your reaction be to someone killing the mewling kittens and frying them up and eating them, and when you express your horror tells you that they will repeat it again just because you dared point out their sadism? This is what a cow goes through year after year. "Oh but my omelas kids get to see the sky sometimes" wowee...
and I don't know why I even try with you people anymore
I do think that you coming into this comics comment section was legitimately looking to get upset and you're kinda ignoring the point of the comic but alas.
like why do I explain my emotions in detail which included a glimpse into my private life to you who has been nothing but callously rude, only for you to completely ignore it and replace it with a more convenient explanation. And the explanation doesn't even make sense, why would I come to the comment section to view the offensive post?? I saw it browsing the frontpage, got horrified and commented, the end.
Also how is the point different from
yankee is upset at danish guy callously murdering two animals, oh if only he knew that in the faroe islands they murder sheep in front of a class of children so violently that the kids are covered in blood splatter and give away literal bags of blood as cutesy souvenirs and the children are already so desensitized they cheer for this? Could you imagine his reaction teehee 🤭
So I present my reaction, because I think the fictional yanks reaction would be completely justified. Because I empathize with the person ridiculed and see myself in them. Because, jesus christ, I keep forgetting how demonically desensitized the average person is to the violence and death from which their treats come.
And I can already imagine the treatlerite in you ready with another excuse, another deflection, oh you can ignore the vegan he is just stupid/trolling he doesn't actually mean that, he is just looking for a reaction/he is making a ridiculous assumption that obviously is false, no need to think about it further.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his treats depend on his not understanding it." Paraphrasing upton sinclair.
Honestly ask yourself if you really aren't working your logic backwards from "i want to keep my lifestyle as it is"
Maybe this cartoon will help, just replace "racist" with "carnist" Here did it for you, might be good agitprop for the next "I will eat twice as much meat now"
I even hesitated if "demonic" was a good word to replace my original statement with, but your first reaction to getting called out in your role in the genocide of the non-humans was "i'm gonna do it even harder" and if that's not the exact reaction a demon would have then I don't know what the concept is even good for
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