GIMP rebranding as WLBR?
1mon 22d ago by lemmy.zip/u/zippy in linux@lemmy.ml from gitlab.gnome.org
I think they should keep both names and just have WLBR be the "enterprise" version.
However, in non-English speaking countries, nobody has an issue with GIMP. And even my very religious and Murican MIL uses Gimp. She doesn't even know.
If anything, those discussions further the association, as they come up when you google "gimp program sexual" or sth like that.
It's short for GNU image manipulation program. I mean, you could short it to imp, or rename it to Picture & Image Manipulation Program (PIMP).
I propose Scriptable Image Manipulation Program (SIMP)
SIMPly genius!
Scriptable High Resolution Image Manipulation Program
Scriptable Huge Image Tool
Pimp it is then!
I’m partial to SIMP
It must be something that can't possibly be construed as sexual innuendo, like Linux Image Manipulation Program (LIMP)...
It's a GNU program, not a Linux program. It runs on multiple platforms.
eg: the Windows Image Manipulation System
Not the strongest name. Sounds kinda weak.
Maybe "Photographic Image Manipulation Program"?
Windows
Linux
BSD
Ringo (apple)
image editor.
Gimp is really just a rare/archaic ableist slur anyway - like to refer to someone with a limp or otherwise a leg/lack of a leg that impedes their gait. I've never heard it used in my life.
The sexual usage is from gay bdsm subculture in the 70s that the large majority of ppl who are aware of it are only aware because of Pulp Fiction.
My vote is for pimp
Gimp is really just a rare/archaic ableist slur anyway - like to refer to someone with a limp or otherwise a leg/lack of a leg that impedes their gait. I’ve never heard it used in my life.
I've only heard it used that way once in my life. When I was in high school (about 20 years ago), I hurt my leg while playing basketball and was on crutches for a few weeks. This one kid in one of my classes constantly referred to me as "gimp" throughout my recovery.
Ive heard people say something "was gimped" to mean it was bad, weak, reduced, crippled, etc, so I think it is still common enough near me
He saw Pulp Fiction and thought he was clever
The sexual usage is from gay bdsm subculture in the 70s that the large majority of ppl who are aware of it are only aware because of Pulp Fiction.
I had heard gimp/gimpy used to mean "limping or is otherwise gait-impaired" often enough that I assumed the Pulp Fiction character was called the Gimp because of his posture and gait. I was completely unaware of any scene/subculture meaning until reading threads like these.
Full disclosure about my own experience: I am a disabled person who has no strong emotional reaction to the term. I do limp, some days worse than others.
I wonder if it's a regional thing? I've only ever heard it in movies or older TV shows. Where I live people are much more likely to just say "crippled" or describe someone as walking with a limp.
I was confused when I saw Pulp Fiction as a kid because I was like "why is this handicapped guy in a leather suit and what does him being hadicapped have to do with his apparent hobbies" lol. But like I said, never really heard it used in other contexts.
It meant that stretchy plastic craft string when I was a kid.
Yeah, which I hear is also called lanyard string, or even boondoggle.
You have to set the WLBR_IS_GIMP env variable to get the new name. So I guess that might be what they going for, at least for now?
I get what you are saying but IMO the old name was hurting adoption. Imagine the headlines if say some city or government announced they are moving to GIMP from photoshop or affinity.
I imagine them being something along the lines of 'Government organisation X moves from Photoshop to free open source alternative' or if a journalist is feeling funny 'Government organisation X moves from paid image manipulation software (PIMP) to GIMP'.
Anyways, I think it's only a minor issue limited to English speaking countries, and only a issue for people who already have issues
Adoption in English speaking countries only. Why is adoption equally terrible internationally if the name is to blame?
Seriously, the ONLY reason I actually know gimp has other meanings is because of discussions of the program.
The terrible UI is hurting adoption.
the issue isn't the kink association. The issue is that the word used to be used as a slur for disabled folks.
I think they should keep both names and just have WLBR be the “enterprise” version.
there's an enterprise version?
From a name you don’t want to say to a name you can’t say
I think you just pronounce it Wilbur
SFDC, IBM, ADP, KKR MYOB are all similarly unpronouncable as singular words.
I've heard of one of these, and IBM has history, brand recognition and rolls off the tongue better.
sfdc (Salesforce dot com) is one of the biggest CRMs in the world and pretty much runs every sales department out there, adp (automatic data processing) is one of the biggest payroll systems in the world.
it's highly likely you've interacted with either or both but maybe in a white-labelled way (e.g. all of Carmax's computer systems run entirely off Salesforce)
I've heard of and professionally used salesforce, and never heard of it referred as SFDC
oh interesting - I've worked at 4 companies in 10 years, they all called it that.
same here, but we called it salesforce.
and absolutely everything related to it was called that: salesforce support team == salesforce
salesforce cloud == salesforce
salesforce time share seminar == salesforce
guy who used to work at saleseforce == salesforce.
Wait Salesforce has an acroynm?
Everyone I know who's ever used it just says/writes 'Salesforce.'
I am now discovering through these replies that seems to be the case. Maybe it's a regional thing? im in SE USA
NW USA, Seattle area is where most of my dialect/experience is from.
adp (automatic data processing) is one of the biggest payroll systems in the world.
i always wondered what adp meant; i just assumed it was initials of the rich guys who create it. lol
I will be locking this issue to avoid non-core developers spamming with the same walls of texts about the project name.
Bruno is a very wise man.
A man can be wise and still propose a name that some people don't like. The reason why this man is wise is, he knows what would happen and is wise enough to limit / lock the thread before it happens.
Your opinion is one of many. For some the name does not matter, for others GIMP is worse than WLBR. I don't care what the name is. To me the person Bruno was wise to lock it, because he knew non contributor would spam with their opinion and with history. That is the mark of a wise man. This is my point, not how many people like or dislike the new name. That's not the point I am making.
At least GIMP could be pronounced nced WTF is WLBR.
Wilbur, IIRC is the name of the mascot.
GIMP being worse doesn't mean WLBR isn't bad.
Which is irrelevant to the point I am making.
Idk why they didn't just rename it the GNU Image Program
Yeah I agree. WLBR is the most horrible name ever. Also it reminds me of the WNBR, which is the World Naked Bike Ride... not safe for work either.
Reminds me of the WLER railway line, and I like trains, so that makes it a great name.
(Turns out that “it reminds me of” is not a great way to evaluate a name)
How does this have downvotes?
It took me reading the comments here to get that it's pronounced Wilbur. I don't get why it needs to be an acronym
It's not open source unless the package name is a scabby dumpster fire.
As in the pig from Charlotte's Web?
I suppose so. I'd rather they spell it out for simple readability. Like I don't know what Krita means but easy to read. Kate text editor may mean something, I don't know. Kdenlive is easy to read. Don't know what the 'den' part is supposed to mean
Apparently it's "KDE Non-Linear Video Editor". At least kdenlive is easy to read in my opinion
Krita means crayon in Swedish. Also "Rita" means to draw, so the name is well fitting for us.
And that's exactly why it's called Krita. Also it was previously called 'Krayon', so they just kind of kept the name.
I mean corporate names aren't better meaning wise, they just have WAY more marketing behind them so they sound natural by virtue of being in your face until you capitulate.
What does 10^100 have to do with search engines? Also they spelled it wrong.
What does the biggest rainforest in the world have to do with shopping?
What do slight muscle spasms have to do with streaming?
What does a fruit have to do with shitty locked down phones and computers?
What does a colloquial superlative prefix have to do with taxis and food delivery?
What does the sound of a clock have to do with short videos? And before that it was a plant structure.
What does a reflective finish/coating have to do with web browsing?
All of those are pronouncable words.
WLBR isn't a word, and the W makes it way too long to pronounce the letters separately in English. And Wilbur sounds old. It's just not a good name, no matter which way you look at it.
They should have gone with Imp.
Or better: GNU IMP
No it's the name of the mascot
One of the Wright brothers maybe? Still has nothing to do with image editing though.
GIMP is GIMP. It’s been GIMP for decades, and that name carries history, recognition, and a community that built something genuine. Rebranding it to WLBR feels like throwing all of that away for the sake of optics that most longtime users like myself frankly don’t care about. It's not progress in any way, it’s unnecessary self-erasure. GIMP works, GIMP is known as such, and GIMP should stay exactly what it is....
Also, WLBR sucks ass as a name. Just call it Glimpse at this point.
LibreOffice managed to dethrone OpenOffice, but many people still call it OpenOffice even after all these years.
Glimpse is already taken by an abandoned fork that simply changed the name.
So if the fork is abandoned then what's the issue?
Actually… I have quite a negative perception of GIMP. I’m primarily a Linux user, but I just remember it as something that’s either always felt obtuse to use, missing something I need, or sluggish for the more narrow processing I’m trying to do.
AFAIK that perception is more pronounced outside Linux.
I don’t care about a brand either way. But if the GIMP project is ready, I think a “fresh start” to draw in users without any preconceived notions is a good thing.
The fact that longtime users like yourself can’t see the value in anyone else’s opinion here is pretty on point in my experience with this community.
How is arguing for one side of the issue “not seeing the value of anyone else's opinion”.
Because to you it’s virtually meaningless other than some weird nostalgia. For schools it’s the difference between a teacher being able to promote the software to 30 kids at a time or not. You may think that’s stupid, so does the teacher, it doesn’t matter.
Can you not put words into my mouth?
How else do you expect anyone to take this? 🙄
Rebranding it to WLBR feels like throwing all of that away for the sake of optics that most longtime users like myself frankly don’t care about.
You wrote
Because to you it’s virtually meaningless other than some weird nostalgia
responding to my comment. I didn't take any side, let alone argued from with nostalgia; where does the “you” come from?
I can understand the desire to change it given that the current name is arguably a slur in some contexts, but this is a terrible new name. There was a fork awhile back with this same motivation called "Glimpse" - I really think they should have chosen a name with some continuity from the original, and certainly not what looks to be an initialism (I never would have come to "Wilbur" on my own).
I also would not have come to Wilbur on my own. Gimp is a weird name, but at least it's pronouncable. Glimpse sounds great to me tbh. A nod to GIMP, but also a sensical name.
Call it GINP.... GINP Is Not Photoshop
This is the potentially most 'linux canon accurate' name possible, which amuses me greatly, but its also essentially the worst name possible for... normal human people that might use the software, lol.
I take this entire comment as a compliment lol
I am not clever enough to phrase this reply as an antagonistic acronym, but yes I did mean it as a compliment, hahaha!
Wlbr is a weird name but Wilbur would be fine.
Edit. Gimp mascot is apparently named Wilber
Lol Glimp
Glimpse makes a fuckton of sense, imo.
Its sorta kinda close to the old name, it conveys the concept of imagery, and its also really easy to read and say.
Like shit, I figured out just by playing team based shooters with voicecomms, that you want a username thats distinct, can be said in ideally one or two syllables.
When you're naming a product, yeah, having it be lingustically connected to the thing that it does, there yeah go, much better than 'Squoombly' or whatever.
Since it's called the GNU Image Manipulation Program, why not pick up the extremely low hanging fruit and call it GNU Imp? It also comes with a free mascot.
Edit: And given that Wilber already has a cheeky smile and two horn-like ears, it wouldn't even be that much of a new mascot either. I mean come on people, do I have to think of everything around here?
It's easier to search online for WLBR than for Imp. It might occasionally force people to search for the full name "GNU Imp", which might be a plus.
Other than that, I love your proposal.
I propose: WHARGRBL
The sound of a dog drinking from a sprinkler?
Bingo!
Sooo, basically they're changing the name that's somewhat bad in English to the name that's terrible in all languages? Huh.
And here I was worried they would pick another terrible name.
Why not just Wilber? Just like the mascot.
The Linux community can't let an opportunity for an acronym to go to waste. Even more so for a backronym.
Could have had the recursive acronym KINGIMP (KINGIMP Is Not GIMP) smdh
That's for the fork with a UI implemented in Qt.
It's another case of OSPNS - Open source projects names sucking .
Perhaps 'WiLBeR' would be a compromise?
Its ... basically following what I'm going to call 'GLaDOS case' rules.
???
Just sort of seems closer to the kind of silly spellings of robot names in a fair deal of movies and such?
It's not the new name but an alternative. I guess it will have to fit where GIMP does, so it's better to have the same amount of letters.
GNU Wilber
Where are people getting that this is a rebrand?
It's just an environment variable you can set that changes the name if it offends you.
Also tbh, if it does the same things as before, they could call it POOP, and I'd still use it. The name has no bearing on how it functions.
Who is really out here getting bent out of shape over a name?
Software needs users to fund development and most users find the software via word of mouth and there's no way I'm telling a friend that they should try POOP for their next art project
How you gonna make the good shit without POOP?
Do you tell them to try GIMP?
Also tbh, if it does the same things as before, they could call it POOP, and I'd still use it. The name has no bearing on how it functions.
That sounds like an argument against the name change…
No, I vote they change it to be just an unpronounceable symbol. You know, kind of like the artist formerly known as Prince.
It's a lot harder to complain about a name change if it's not a name!
First time on Lemmy?
Nope, but it's a nicer way to say, "Y'all are fucking stupid for caring this much about a name change for software that's free."
I'd rather let people read between the lines on their own!
For now. It seems like obvious water-testing.
And even if it isn't, giving "users" (read: corporate middle managers never actually using the app) the "option" of the "name" "not being" "naughty".
These all "these" are "concepts" GIMP can do without.
The name is what it is. You didn't make the app, you don't set the name. Simple as.
And to the makers/maintainers:
Is throwing old and loyal users under the bus worth it?
The conspiracy theorist in me can see this being the start of the end of GIMP. It wouldn't be the first or the last FOSS project to "fall from grace".
I'm not saying it will - I don't want to do a detailed study of GIMP lore and current politics, but the simple act of potentially enabling a rename in the future is a GIANT FUCKING RED FLAG in my book.
Even with good intentions, it "enables" a "later" "usurpation".
It's like deliberately cutting yourself in the middle of pirrhana-infested pool.
The wound's not deep. It isn't dangerous. Nor do the pirrhanas notice right away.
But when they do... You'll be lucky to just lose the leg you cut.
u still use blender right click select
Lmao, imagine being so fragile that a name offends you.
As a gimp myself, I agree that being offended is pretty far-fetched. But I can definitely envision a scenario in which someone would rather not be reminded of that word every time they open their image editor. Disability is traumatic and people can be absolutely horrible.
As a gimp myself
GTA SA was my only knowledge of what a gimp is
it has been used as a slur for disabled people.
I've literally never heard that before. Is that common in your experience?
Yes, also say something is "GIMPed" if it's broken or disabled/restricted in some way.
well not in modern parlance but yeah I'm aware it's an olde timey word
It's more commonly associated with the movie Gimp
I have heard it used that way in the last decade I think
At this point everything has been used as as slur
That's for sure 10-ply. There isn't a word or phrase that can't be used as a slur.
To be honest, this seems like a stupid fix to a non-issue.
There's already Latex, and the purists calling it Lateh only make it seem like they know and are ashamed.
Or Uranus being pronounced not as your-anus but urine-us. The "alternate/kid-friendly" option is just plain worse. It also teaches kids certain words are bad, which is a bad idea for a multitude of resons I won't get into.
I say keep GIMP GIMP, loud and clear. No need to be ashamed, because it isn't shameful.
Attempting to avoid this absolute non-issue by ingenious pronounciation or rebranding just exacerbates the issue.
It's called "GIMP" and not "Fuck Me then Go Out The Door". Wether or not GIMP was a moment of "funny humor" or not is beside the point. The "official" explanation is perfectly belieavable, and therefore suitable enough. Just run with it.
If an idiot asks "Why's it called like [insert-here]", just say it's a fucking coincidence and you don't care. Call them dirty-minded for bonus points.
There’s already Latex
wait what? Latex is used in tons of non-sexytime things, surely nobody's raising an eyebrow at that?
amer*cans
Well, people still do. Yet it hasn't been rebranded. And GIMP should follow.
The "TeX" part is intended to be Greek though, and TeX predates LaTeX.
Yes. Gimp is the photo editor.
I'd heard some sickos in some place use the word Gimp for something bad. Some sick minority are the last people to listen to about the name of software that's used world wide by people who don't know about those sickos.
Which is what the name has not been changed. Put your own house in order.
Not sure if you're kink-shaming or ableist-shaming.
I've only heard the name gimp is used by some in a bad way. I don't know, nor want to know, what they use it to mean.
Literally no usage of the word gimp is bad, unless your kink shaming or being ableist...
Its just a bdsm term primarily.
There's already Latex, and the purists calling it Lateh only make it seem like they know and are ashamed.
It's always been pronounced "Lah-tek" or "Lay-tek" (not "Lateh"). That's because it comes from Greek where X makes a K sound.
Knuth's book states plainly that the X sounds like the 'ch' in the Scottish word "Loch". (Or the 'h' in hawk-tua for more modern readers.)
Yeah, it seems like a totally unnecessary move.
Another example is Coq, the interactive theorem prover, named after CoC, an abbreviation for calculus constructions, the type theory on which Coq is based, and the co-creator Thierry Coquand in whose native language (French) coq has no sexual connotation and is simply the word for rooster (male chicken).
I have just now seen on Wikipedia to gather this information that it was renamed to Rocq last year after 41 years.
is simply the word for rooster (male chicken).
As is in English?
Or Uranus being pronounced not as your-anus but urine-us. The “alternate/kid-friendly” option is just plain worse. It also teaches kids certain words are bad, which is a bad idea for a multitude of resons I won’t get into.
Look, there's nothing wrong with the word "anus" but if you're actually in the field of astronomy that particular pun starts to get old after about the 10 millionth time. Some people just want to be able to talk about the seventh planet without the room erupting in giggles every time they say its name.
Spare a thought for the poor astronomy student doing thesis work on the volatile gases of Uranus. They know, they get it, they just want to be able to have one serious conversation about it.
I agree with the sentiment, but not the aggressive tone.
Also, *whether.
I thought Uranus was said more like yur than your, no o sound.
"WLBR"
..just rolllrrrs .. lorrrs .. rolls off the tongue!
I think it's a deliberately bad name chosen as a Malicious Compliance type fuck-you to people who wanted it to sound "professional".
I really like the name GIMP.
Years of jokes, wasted.
from bad to worse
Hear me out.. Everything doesn't have to be an acronym.
EDHTBAA, got it
I dunno, I was fine with GNU Image Manipulation Program.
Is WLBR supposed to be an abbreviation for something? I realize it is a reference to the mascot Wilber, but apart from that?
WNBR stands for World Naked Bike Ride, so it must be something similar!
If we're going to wildly speculate, hey, isn't this what we have AI for nowadays?
I asked ChatGPT: "give me ideas what the abbreviation WLBR might stand for if that is the name of a piece of image editing software". Here's the result:
🧠 Professional / technical-sounding
- Wide Layer Blending & Rendering
- Workflow Layer-Based Retoucher
- Weighted Light Balance Renderer
- Wavelet-Based Light & Blur Reconstruction
- White-Level Balance & Retouch
🎨 Creative / artistic branding
- We Love Better Retouching
- Wild Light & Bold Retouch
- Wavelength Brush
- Wonder Lens: Blur & Refine
- Whitelight Brush
⚡ Modern / software-product style
- WizLayer Build & Render
- WarpLab: Blend & Refine
- Web-Level Bitmap Renderer
- Workflow Lens & Brush Renderer
- WLB Renderer (treat WLBR as a stylized acronym)
🧩 Slightly abstract (like many real apps)
- Wavelength-Based Rasterizer
- Layered Bitmask Refinement
- Light Balance Reconstruction Engine
- Wideband Luminosity Brush & Retouch
🧠 If you want it to feel like real software naming
Most image tools (like Photoshop, GIMP, etc.) don’t strictly spell out acronyms anymore—they use:
- suggestive tech words (Layer, Light, Render, Brush)
- or abstract brand terms
So something like:
WLBR = “WaveLight Brush & Render”
feels believable without being overly literal.
(end of ChatGPT response)
Out of these, I think "Workflow Layer-Based Retoucher" works best. But interesting that ChatGPT thinks "GIMP" doesn't "strictly spell out" an acronym anymore, or that "Photoshop" ever did?!
I have been trying to figure that out too and I can’t find anything anywhere. I think I will just keep calling it GIMP.
Wiiiilllbuuuuur
You never heard of a talking horse?
Couldn’t they just call it IMP(Image Manipulation Program)?
Yeah, GNU IMP. Recognisable and easy to understand for those familiar with the old name.
WLBR just seems like people being clever for clevers sake.
Yeah we can just call it GIMP for short
Because their mascot is already named Wilber and BSD already has an infernal mascot.
Rename the mascot IMP then.
Yeah and you’d think GNU would like the recognition too.
Why not SIMP(super Image Manipulation Program)?
I’d rather have a little demon than a simp
Would you prefer a LIMP or a PIMP? Or are you a WIMP?
The Image Manipulation Program Formerly Known As Gimp, or
TIMPFKAG
It's the perfect name: Pronounceable, unique i.e. searchable, and a silly abbreviation. Nobody could object to that.
Wilbur didn't want food, he wanted love.
E.B. White, Charlotte’s Web
Who is frail enough to have a problem with GNU Image Manipulation Program
It's not about me having a problem, but turning away or excluding people or even businesses that are used to more mature or serious names. WLBR is not great, in my humble opinion. On the other hand, I'm not very passionate about this topic as long as the software itself serves me well. And it does.
So, we'll pronounce it "Wilbur"?
I'm sure those in charge of this had the argument and went 'round and 'round with it. And, this is what they came up with.
Whatever, we'll get used to it, but I'm not sure it's a good idea. It will probably hurt brand recognition more than the mildly-offensive "GIMP" ever has. At least when noobs heard "gimp", their ears would perk up in mild surprise, and they'd ask what it is, there-by solidifying the product in their minds. "Wilbur" just won't have the same effect, because there's no surprise. They'll ask, but the impact will not be as great, and they'll forget. "Wilbur" is forgettable as a name for anything, or anyone. "Gimp" is not.
WLBR was the local radio station from my home town in PA.
There will be a C&D from them. You really shouldn’t use a radio station’s calling as your product name. This will not end well.
Everyone misunderstands Trademark Law, they can only sue if they can prove that it would result in confusion because they provide the same or similar services.
Otherwise it's not a legal case that can be made.
So sure, they could sue them if WLBR starts making a radio show or podcasts, otherwise they have no legal standing to try it
C&D only, if they are in the same space. The radio station is completely unrelated to a computer programs name. Also is the name trademarked? And the radio station is not world wide known either. I doubt there will be any Cease and Desist from either sides. But I can be wrong off course, which is very unlekely (great typo I leave it there).
If we stop using words because someone, at some point in time, misused them and attached negative connotations to them, then by 2100 the english language will be censored in its entirety.
Language just like culture is subject to constant change. It wouldn't be censored in its entirety but changed. Because there are words that are bring used instead.
We can discuss if it's necessary to change some words and I agree that some shouldn't be changed. But some needed and need to be changed like the n word. The line of demarcation isn't clear on these issues and depend on a conversation about societal norms.
We have been doing that for centuries.
Why not something pronounceable?
The name needs to reflect the advanced nature of the program. Gimp is so simple to remember that a commoner would get the impression that they could also use it.
wlbr_2.36.2_beta_dev.deb
Wilbur is very pronouncable!
Is it April fool?
What in earth...gl
Gimp is perfectly fine name...
WTF
Lol
It's really not ok.
If FOSS is going to make headway in business and among the non-technical, names should be descriptive and not based on some edgy humor a dev thinks is high comedy.
It stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program… how is that not descriptive?
"Git" is only really a word in British English which implicitly gives it lower worldwide cultural penetration than a general English term. For most non-British programmers (and honestly I would imagine many British ones given how ubiquitous Git VC is now), "Git" refers to the software first and the pejorative second, if they've even heard of the latter before.
Nobody knows what a “gimp” is supposed to be.
Like "plasma"?
Yeah names is important, but come on, Blender?
Gimp is only a problemi for an handfull of english speaker americans. 90% of people in the world dont care.
GIMP is much more memorable for good or bad. I got over the name like 5mins after I first learned about it years ago. WLBR is so bland outside of the spelling. At least Blender kind of sounds like it blends elements to make something, and Plasma sounds like it would look nice. WLBR sounds frumpy/bland (though I would like to know what it will stand for), which is about as bad as trying too hard to sound "fresh/sexy" from a marketing standpoint. Maybe they could have gone with GRIP (GNU Raster Image Program) if the actual concern was about "offending" people while still being easy to remember? Idk, I suck at naming things.
If the name were the problem then why doesn't someone fork the project and change only the name? <- actual question, not trying to be a smartass
In either case they are starting from ~zero name recognition.
This already happened it was called glimpse, idk anything about it
You're not trying to have an actual discussion.
There's nothing wrong with calling it GIMP. People need to take their issues elsewhere. A mental health professional perhaps.
Yes there is something wrong with calling it GIMP. The correct name has always been the GIMP.
“bringing you the hottest hits from the 80s, 90s and beyond…”
"It really smacks the camelid's butt"
What on God’s green earth is WLBR supposed to mean? Why can’t it have a normal, good name?
Linux devs are not good at naming things lol
Can't deploy gunicorn workers without thinking of a unicorn with a gun where it's horn is supposed to be.
Wilber is a name.
Its the name of the dog thing in the GIMP logo
Ah fuck, if Gif vs Gif all over again.
If GIMP is renamed to WLBR, wouldn't you also have to rename GTK into WTK?
Yes, and GTK stands for GIMP ToolKit.
(Look it up if you don't believe me)
GTK fully expands to GNU's Not Unix Image Manipulation Tool Kit.
Great app though.
My right leg is injured and I'm old so I limp and am old and in the way. I don't give a damn if you call me gimp, a gimp, old or old gimp.
Geez, grow up already ya bunch cry babies. It's just a friggin name for an app. If you're insulted, hurt by that you really need to get a life.
An OLD adage: "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me"
Names do hurt tho. Bullying is a real thing.
Missing the point of that phrase. It doesn't mean words don't have power. It means don't give power to assholes.
Then maybe it's up to the maintainers to not want to be assholes?
I’ve always thought the better recourse for problematic labels is for the targets of their denigration to embrace and claim them as their own. This diminishes, and potentially eliminates, the power of their oppressors to wield it in an incendiary way, and they can then choose to suppress its use once the imbalance has shifted sufficiently.
Note: this is from the perspective of someone who largely embodies the peak of unearned social and demographic privilege, so season with NaCl to suit.
I didn't know Gimp was a slur/cuss. I always knew GIMP as nothing but the mediocre image manipulation tool.
Depending on context, it can be an image editor, slur, or kink term. I'd bet money on the image editor being named for the kink term and it's very possible the original devs didn't know it was a slur in certain regions.
Can I just use regular iodized table salt, or do I have to have pure, lab-grade sodium chloride?
ING (It is not a GIMP)
They should publish an add-on and call it "Mister Ed".
Too bad Krita sucked for my express purpose of shitposting when I tried that.
I feel like GIMP is (as of writing) the only good, still maintained thing still on "gn*me.org"
Its gonna get a lot of people angry and sweaty, but this is probably a good idea, long overdue. GIMP is just just not a professional sounding name.
I gather Wilbur is the name of the mascot, so WLBR makes sense.
Fix your title. The answer is "no". People are getting the wrong idea.
From GIMP team: We are NOT rebranding GIMP
Take a time to read the commit messages and the commit diff.
I mean, so long as it remains configurable and they don’t change the entire project. I don’t see an issue with giving folks the option to mask the name in environments where they might not want to attract anyone’s ire.
The great thing about foss is you can call it whatever you want, fork it even if you feel so inclined.
Why the rename? Trademark issues?
This GIMP issue means nothing to me, and I refuse to let a puritan (almost The Handmaid's Tale-like) crew dictate societal norms.
At that point just change it to BEKKNQV
Why the hell is everyone focused on the damn name? Stick to adobe if you don't like the name. I need good functionality not a name change.
Sure it is. Not the fact that people are used to adobe and don't like its UI. Yep definetly the name.
Yes that's my point. Develop a better UI, hell just stop reinventing the wheel and copy adobes a little bit and build on that. The name is great and unimportant at the same time
It’s preventing adoption, crankypants
Source? I’ve never seen anybody who balked at the name after seeing what Adobe charges.
No it doesn't... Unless you are talking about adoption by first graders. The name is not what prevents adoption.
I mean I get where he's coming from, it shouldn't, just use the damn program and don't focus so hard on the name which in all honesty does not matter where functionality does.
But also people complain on this one because A) Sex is icky and everyone is a Puritan and B) it has been used as a slur in the past I guess. It's almost like naming an RNG tool "Free Auto Generator" or something.
Personally idgaf.
Marketing is unfortunately not about what you personally gaf about, its about mass appeal, what most people gaf about.
Users are fucking stupid, and will throw a fit over the most banal shit, for no explicable reason beyond 'thing x gives me the ick'.
Tell a relative normie you use Fedora, they'll mock you as a reddit dork mall ninja neckbeard.
Yeah but what I think you're missing here is that "that's stupid." We can still call those people stupid for being stupid, when they complain about stupid things. As we're all doing currently. The difference is he thinks users should care about important things instead, you've given up on that, and I still don't actually give a shit either way.
(Tbf also I do agree with him users should often get gud, and I say this as a user, I'm only a "dev" if writing personal bash scripts using copied stack overflow for loops I don't fully understand counts. I do also agree with you in that they're probably not likely to get gud, but I still think it would be good if they did.)
I'm basically just trying to say that the vast majority of users are very, very stupid, compared to a power user or actual dev.
Just think of everyone who bought beanie babies, funko pops, stanley cups, now I guess its 'Nee-Dough' or something.
Thats much closer to 'the average user' than you or me.
Hell those people use an iPhone and nothing else lmao.
What the ever living fuck is a Nee-dough lmao.
Hell those people use an iPhone and nothing else lmao.
Extremely correct, and why I will never stop laughing at Mac users.
Nee-Dough:
Its... basically a squishy cube, presumably made of something resembling silicone.
Tiktok has been going apeshit over it the last few days, people getting into fights at stores to buy these things.
Ahh I get it, knead, it's a stress ball, or cube as it were. I mean tbh looks like a fine stress ball but sounds like it's having the opposite effect so far lol.
Yes, the irony is certainly in great supply...
sigh
I mean, Tiktok has entire genres based around not using Tiktok, around lowering the level of engagement and use that you have with social media and just digital things generally.
They make and post videos on Tiktok, about not using Tiktok.
Its essentially perfectly absurd.
Tiktok is basically the 'how much money would someone have to pay you to kill someone' moral hypothetical, writ large.
The answer is that, with sufficient operant conditioning, human morality and logic is worth a few bucks a month, on average.
Gotta get them updoots, dopamine!
Haha gotta laugh at it imo, lest I go insane!
Ive found GIMP hard to use honestly... I suspect it will end up being replaced entirely by AI
Great, now I can stop renaming it on business PCs
Might look edgy or funny to some, but at the least isn't professional and is offensive to many.
Gimp / retard / spaz
That's not how the word gimp was used. It was a cripple. Somebody with a gimp was somebody with a limp.
I still don't get how that isn't professional and not offensive?
I always went the other way and would loudly announce when I needed to open it for photo editing “Time to bring out the GIMP!”
Tech in general has a huge boomer-humor problem in that all those old fucks that wrote the original code stuffed it full of puns, in-jokes, and idioms that are only relevant today in retirement homes in Ohio.
And I don't mean this is annoying or funny, but as a legitimate problem. It's bad enough that you have to learn English to code, you also are disadvantaged for not sharing the culture with retirement age white dudes from America.
It wouldn't be so bad if it was good boomer humor, but remember, these are the guys who think "Linux Is Not uniX" is funny.
I disagree. Humor is humor, if it's not funny to you, move on. I am not a boomer or American, but I like those silly little jokes that make a utilitarian and relatively dry industry somewhat entertaining.