Anon goes back to Windows 10
1mon 13d ago by sh.itjust.works/u/Early_To_Risa in greentext@sh.itjust.works from sh.itjust.works
Linux users:
Its okay just plop some snow over the entrance they'll tire themselves out
This is a frustration of mine with software. We make all these gains with hardware just to occupy the new capacity with cruft. I just want the same interface from Y2K that runs so fucking fast my eyes can’t keep up with my fingers.
Try Linux.
I switched when the windows context menu had to ask washington for permission to open. Some days it took 10-20 seconds. Repeatedly.
Well, it was one of the reasons, now it's all snappy and predictable on my 6 gen intel mint linux.
I have, but unfortunately have to run Windows.
Sounds like a work computer. Doesn't really count.
It is kinda both
My work phone and work computer are both company-owned, so I don't generally count them. But I suppose not every company is like that.
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Yeah, it is a case with proprietary shit thats only available on microslop. Its an endless cycle where we are being forced to consume slop on top of slop. This lock-in is strategic so that users of specialised software have no other choice.
What are the odds it’s employer mandated spyware to make sure they aren’t automating their mundane tasks. Or finishing their work in the first 2 hours of the morning and running errands/ chores the rest of the day.
This is actually quite possible. There where cases where this occurred. I would say that this is more so true within the age of AI. Work smart not hard is essentially an oxymoron in some of these companies, as exploitation is what they crave.
They need the remaining 30% of their staff to carry the whole load. AI intent there to make work easier, it’s supposed to make fewer workers more productive (profitable for investors).
I just want the same interface from Y2K that runs so fucking fast my eyes can’t keep up with my fingers.
This is literally what Linux is always like and it never slows down even after decades. It boots and shuts down in about 3 seconds each. Join us; I spent a lot of time typing a foolproof guide recently. Let me see it actually get used lol!
I just played a game on Steam earlier tonight with friends; it launched WINE under the hood so invisibly that I couldn't believe I wasn't playing it on Windows. Nearly everything is cross-compatible these years with WINE, Bottles, Proton, Lutron, etc. There is basically no fear. If anything, the software typically performs even better.
I did not use your guide as I do not need it, but if I did need it, it would be exactly the kind of thing I would be looking for.
No adobe so no photoshop, no 3dStudio, no MSVC.
So I have one "windows box" for that.
The added bonus is it's such a fresh experience to go back to linux every time 😁.
There are worthy alternatives to photoshop and 3dstudio max. Even if you /really/ need it, they can be run in wine or a vm.
Well not really, I'm "relearning" Krita but there is still some stuff lacking, making it a drudgery to use (fine software though!).
And there is no real replacement for 3dstudio and it won't run in wine/vm.
I'm sure I'm probably wrong, but what about Blender?
Blender is fantastic software and a good place to start learning non-parametric modeling, but if you're already used to 3DSMax it's a massive learning curve because of how different the interface is. Like you have to unlearn stuff.
It's worth the effort IMO but not everyone has the discipline to do it.
Well on the dim side, AI companies are buying up all of the new hardware. So we either get software that is somewhat efficient or we eventually move to "computers" that are just streaming sticks we use to access a Microsoft® Copilot® 365® Windows® 12® Azure® Cloud Desktop Experience Subscription Service computer.
Bring back timeshare computers!! /s
But that's their wet dream btw.
That's not a wet dream, that's exactly what tech corpos are trying to do. Own nothing, rent timeshare.
This made me physically ill.
Software is like a gas: it expands to fill its container.
Happening with games too... I'm tired of developers just lowering the resolution and turning FSR on by default instead of even trying to optimize
Penguin noises intensifies
Full of fish?
Not entirely.
Then let's fish.
Win10 is when telemetry was implemented for the first time. You'd better be off with win8.1 with some custom start menu adjustments or straight back to a heaven of Win7.
Or, inhales deeply, just install Linux and do not bother with MS crap cause Linux just works and there is some sort of a distro for pretty much anyone's taste and preferences that will serve them as good or even better than win10/11/8.1/7.
The telemetry all got backported as far as seven and made a mandatory dependency of some security updates, so within a few weeks of 10's launch, you either had telemetry or a machine that wasn't safe to connect to the Internet.
I miss Windows XP. Take me back to the rolling green hills.
But with Win8 you don't get and Updates anymore. With Win10 there's still the LTSC (IoT) version.
I wouldn't recommend Win10 or 8 to anyone. It will eventually stop receiving security updates if it hasn't done already. Either stick with Win11 or replace it with linux. I have a Linux distro with KDE Plasma and it's very snappy.
Linux HDR support is so bad that it makes the entire OS not worth using.
I was using Debian for 4 years but unfortunately I had to stop using it once I stopped being poor because it just cannot run an OLED as its supposed to.
HDR is only supported on AMD cards and has abysmal software integration, even on supported content.. Comparatively, it just works on W11, even on titles that don't support it because of AutoHDR.
I hope it can be resolved soon, but as of rn unfortunately its not there yet.
The problem lies in the fact that Linux could easily integrate HDR for everything, but NVIDIA. HDMI and MS are gatekeeping these features.
HDR in Wayland using KDE Plasma 6.6 and GNOME 50 is supported on NVIDIA-open-595.58.03 and later.
A lot of specific applications still suck, including Firefox, but HDR is supported on AMD and NVIDIA.
I was using Debian
Say no more, fam, I see your problem. Debian is what you run for stability. If you want features, you need a more appropriate distro.
Linux HDR support is so bad that it makes the entire OS not worth using.
Really weird hill to die on. HDR is nice, but it's not that nice.
I'm in awe of how Microsoft somehow manages to make an OS somehow more dogshit than the last one.
Microsoft isn't the interesting one at this point. I'm more in awe of how the userbase just keeps taking that shit. That's a propaganda victory.
At some point Microsoft will publish an update that will shoot the user's dog and they will just share debloating scripts. Linux is free only if your time yadda yadda.
It's part of their culture. Windows ME.
People buy it?
Yes, it's bundled with laptops.
While that is the basic principle of economics, I was more marveling at their trashcan engineering, finding a new way to shit something so awful each iteration that we miss the last dogwater version
Windows 10 was never good, it just looks good compared to the radioactive slag heap that is Windows 11.
tbh the only problem with Windows 10 for me was the telemetry/Forced Edge,which could've been disabled via scripts,as well as lower responsiveness(maybe placebo effect?). but Windows 11, literally some parts of the Operating System use Chromium. Please keep Chromium/Electron/CEF On Desktop apps, i hope other oses wont try to copy this.
Hard disagree. Even though it's initial outing was not the smoothest Windows 10 eventually got there and they made many improvements on Windows 7. So much so that it ran quite well for many many years which is why it was so widely adopted.
Quite frankly it's my belief that the reason they force implemented Windows 11 was because Windows 10 was running so fucking well that they were seeing zero growth in their OS sales cause no one was needing to upgrade anymore. I myself had Windows 10 running on a machine that was over 15 years old. And it ran quite well.
Of course opening the context menu takes its time. It's gotta load a whole Electron framework first.
you just need a registry cleaner for that, dump out all the non-stock entries out of the list.
It should cache those until your file extensions get a reg edit, there is no need to build the context menu fresh every time
Ohh no, it's not that it's building the menu.
Each one of those extra lines is a hook to a dll.
rightclick potato.jpg
imagemagic: what options should i give for potato.jpg loads image enough of imagemagic to tell antivirus: what options should i give potato.jpg loads enough of antivirus to tell
Now if your apps are small or the context menu for them is will done, it's hardly a blip But if you installed 27 different apps that want to be in the context menu and they're all 100mb..... that takes some time.
Yeah so cache it so it doesn't take time to show you the options. Once you click it can go do bullshit loading. We have a software that used to load and cache the dialogs at first boot and it was fast to use, now it builds the dialog at runtime and is slow to display the options. It sucks.
Leave windows, embrace linux
Moving to the open fields was a so much smoother experience than downgrading the windows.
And then: extend and extinguish! /s
Internet was down at work today, I tried to use the start menu on a coworkers computer to search for an app.
Got a 'connection timed out' message instead, and had to scroll through the list like a rube.
I miss Win7
I would take Windows 8 over 11.
I had a bad experience with windows10 at the start. It had one process, I recall scvhost.exe or something that would eat tons of ram and cpu for no particular reason. I rolled back to win8.1 cause of that and skipped 10 pretty much entirely.
Not even sure why people claim win10 is much better than win8.1. Start menu was dog shit, yeah. But how often users actually use start menu besides of shutting down PC. All in all, under the hood windows 10 was not so different from win8.
Windows 7 tho. The best OS, literally.
Windows 7 tho. The best OS, literally.
Best Microsoft OS maybe...
I would take XP over milennium.
win8 is actually very good. just need to replace the start menu thing. they optimized the os to run on crappy atom tablets so it's actually faster than 7 on low end machines.
At risk of being a cliche: try Linux. It's really not hard to install.
I dont miss windows at all.
All this can be fixed in Windows 11. One can neuter it to faster-than-Windows 10.
…Thing is, if default Windows 11 is so bad, why spend weeks and weeks learning how to mess with it? For the same mental energy, learn partitioning and install Linux, or W10 like OP.
How would I do this?
You can still download Windows 10 directly from Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/de-de/software-download/windows10ISO
Why would I do this either?
You /could/ do this if you wanted to install Windows 10.
Windows 10 was fine until they started trying to patch all the ways to avoid using a Microsoft account. Windows 11 is horrendously worse.
My work laptop, a Surface Laptop 7th gen, runs Windows 11. Adobe Acrobat will grind it to a halt. Fucking how.
god i hate the constant "LOG INTO AN ACCOUNT RIGHT NOW" with passion. i once had to log into a coworkers teams account and apparently windows decided that's good enough and automatically & without asking linked my entire local windows account with her work microsoft account
one log in took hours to undo
learnt my lesson - never log into microsoft through any of their apps, only ever use web based alternatives (and never on your main browser either, as sometimes logging out is just as painful as logging in)
Android does pretty much the same thing with Google accounts.
"Oh you logged into YouTube music? Here, we added that account to your phone. You can now view alp Emails, access payment options and view the entire browser history without additional confirmation."
Adobe Acrobat will grind it to a halt. Fucking how.
"Today Microsoft and Adobe are announcing further AI integration of their products. This AI will tune software performance in an attempt to counteract the slowing effects of previous rounds of AI integration."
Good god 🤣
I hate how accurate this is.
Adobe Acrobat will grind it to a halt.
to be fair, Acrobat itself is a very heavy heap of dung. There's no reason for anyone to use it if all they do with a .pdf is reading.
Just because 11 is worse doesn't mean 10 was good. 10 was a shit-show from the get-go. It came with aggressive dark patterns trying to trick people into installing it over their Win 7 and 8 machines, came with mandatory telemetry, ads in the start menu and a built-in keylogger.
So it's not "fuck 11". It's "fuck Windows".
Agreed on all points.
At least 10 could be unshittified to an extent. But I don't run Windows on any personal machines at all anymore, so its a moot point. My work laptop belongs to the company and is managed by them.
OP is wearing rose colored glasses, yes 10 was better but 10 was a turd in a blanket but you could do workarounds to keep that turd covered, 11 just took the blanket away and exposed the turd .. . all the time.
Like Trump accelerating the transition to renewables and e vehicles across the world with his bumbling incompetence, MS is hastening the transition to Linux from theres, i was there from MS DOS days until early 10.
They really just need to use the Linux Kernel and do their own "Windows" skin on top, like Tuxedo etal
i gave up and have been on Linux Mint then LMDE for 4 years now, fucking hell, all i want to do is click the icon on the toolbar and use the app i selected. My gf uses 11 on her laptop.
The only thing i wish is that i could alias win-style drive letters (complete with colon)
Muscle memory is a biiiitch
I think it's an inevitability that Microsoft contributes to Wine and switches to maintaining a Debian distro. They know they don't have enough skilled developers to continue improving windows.
Going back to Windows 10 feels like removing ankle weights you forgot you were wearing.
Windows 2000 was the absolute best windows hands down.
But now it's cachyos for me going forward. Never again will I install windows.
Amen. I've hated every windows OS after Windows 2000.
Use Windows 11 at work. Was using 10 at home. Seeing what my future looked like if I went to 10, I installed CachyOS instead. After 4 months of CachyOS, I'm not going back to Windows even if you pay me.
Ah don’t worry, leave it running for an hour and they’ll inject copilot and all the crap you’ve come to loathe.
Lame. Should have gone back to Windows 7.
Broke: Installing Linux
Woke: Installing an older version of Windows
Bespoke: Installing the Apple II OS
BeOs for the win!
If you like BeOS, try Haiku! https://www.haiku-os.org/
Switched to using Linux like 6 years ago. Wouldn't know how bad Windows 11 is but I can only imagine.
No lag with the right-click context menu
Give it a month of BS software adding itself to the menu. Mine used to take 10 seconds to load if I right clicked on the desktop. Just the run with GPU option took like 1/4 of a second or something absurd. Like WTF nvidia.
https://winaerotweaker.com/lets you edit context menu entries
It's not loading (or it'd happen only once), it's calling back home (windows "anti virus") to see if it's secure to add each item to the context menu.
Give me an anemic E8400 and a compiler and I'll load up your context menu in under 20 milliseconds.
Imagine if this guy took a crack at MX.
What is MX?
MX Linux
Never heard of it
It's a Debian fork with the option not to use systemd. I've been using it for months without a single crash. Everything starts up quick. I like it. Any linux without systemd is worth a shot, if you like fast and stable over familiar.
Motocross, of course.
My computer after uninstalling Windows
Never left.
Windows 3.11 or bust.
You can pry my Workgroups from my cold, dead, hands.
Then try Linux and be amazeballed by what your computer can actually do
8.1 ftw, 8 was awful and so 8.1 names got dragged through the mud but it launches stuff and loads stuff faster, plus it has better battery life. There's a video out there that shows most the windows OSs doing stuff side by side and it consistently sweepes them.
make sure its Windows 10 LTSC!
and it has been 2 years(2024) since i used Windows 10 on my PCS, so i wonder how worse things are.
Today my start menu just stopped working altogether. I just couldnt see anything, which is wild for an operating system, the start menu opening should always work. They're definitely coding it using AI now.
Ive been having some issues with the start menu (and other things) sometimes not showing on my Bazzite install.
I've not heard of that.
At first I was told that its was because I was using a vertical task bar instead of a normal horizontal one but even though I changed back to horizontal it still happens occasionally
Sounds like nothing more than a fresh install.
I got the same on my freshly installed Windows 11.
Something is basic as an operating system's file browsing program shouldn't degrade in performance over time, and the solution for that degradation shouldn't be reinstalling the operating system.
The operating system doesn't degrade, it is just the user installing more and more crap without cleaning. Which is regular usage for your average user.
A fresh install just gets rid of old crap that has nothing to do with the operating system.
In comparison, I regularly remove software I don't need and make sure my startup is clean of things that don't need to start every day and it keeps my Windows 11 fast as fuck. I have a laptop with an old Windows 11 install that is just as snappy as it was when I installed it.
I install whatever I want on my Linux desktop without thinking about it, and the file browser is still as fast as it was the day I installed it (really fast). I don't have to do regular housekeeping to ensure basic functionality remains performant.
If the operating system is architected in such a way that simply installing things (you know, one of the main reasons to have a computer) degrades the performance of basic functionality, that's a problem with the operating system.
Windows 11 is the slowest version of Windows according to these benchmark tests:
Damn that's a long URL
fresh installed win11 is still ass in my experience. better now than a year ago, but still shitty.
like why the fuck does right clicking a file or double clicking a folder lag so much
Why do people insist on using shity OS, is beyond me. Even macOS is far better than Windows nowadays.
They're used to it
All their apps work
They hate learning new things more than they hate the problems with 11.
I'm 100% linux. Have been for a long time. Your average person can definitely survive Linux on the day-to-day, but the first time they hit a problem needing kernel pinning, they're gonna have a high chance of switching
My laptop is still rocking Win10, and the moment they force it to update to Win11 against my wishes is the moment I jump to Linux, ready or otherwise.
But I know for a fact that Im not as patient with technology as Id like to be, and while I try to learn what I can and prepare myself for that leap, the only reason I haven't just lept yet is because I still find the amount of information I need to know (or think I need to know) overwhelming.
I was in a similar position to you and honestly there's very little to it. It's probably technically best to start with something really easy like Mint, but you can pretty much choose one at random and as long as you use the KDE desktop environment it'll mostly look and act like windows. You should be prepared to try out a few different distros depending on your needs and/or preferences, but everything is so streamlined that you only need a little bit of computer knowledge to switch.
Part of what I'd been struggling with is I'd gotten into game emulation as well as building up a library via Steam and GoG, and wasn't 100% sure how using Linux might make using what I'm used to harder to use.
So what have I done so far to combat this? I've been putting my emulators on consoles.
I started with a 60$ Wii, and an SD card from a digital camera I hadn't used since college (almost 10 years ago). After learning to set up a Wii/GameCube machine with some retro Nintendo emulators, I moved onto hShop for my wife and I's 3DS'. Most recently, I learned how to put custom firmware on my old PS3 slim (thank god the manufacturer date was just right, else I'd be using Ps3hen)
So, I suppose since I'm not nearly as worried about emulation, Steam seems to be more compatible with Linux by the day, and I suppose I did teach myself about emulation on console, maybe I'm closer to jumping than I think
Oh, you'll find it easy then, Linux is a walk in the park next to console firmware. Steam pretty much takes care of itself, and GOG is a little more complex but is largely handled by Heroic Games Launcher. Do check ProtonDB with regards to your favourites - generally it's only online games with kernel level anticheat that won't work at all with Linux, but there are a handful of others that aren't working yet - but personally I haven't had to do anything more than change the proton version in the steam settings to get a game working. Well, except Helldivers 2, but I'm pretty sure that's a cursed tangle of code that crashes on all operating systems.
IMO: run a vm for now.
Getting experienced enough to run a vm is a small project. Very digestible.
The installs are REALLY easy-going these days. Run Debian, Mint, or Cachy or something equally easy going.
Get your browsers setup how you like them, get your mail working, If you run out of space or get tired of it, just delete it.
Slow experience over a long time will really make it easier then waiting until you have to learn it.
My coworker complains about Windows daily, I'm like " there are alternatives dude.". But he's adamant that windows is better. Some people like being abused I guess.
Because it doesn't matter if 95% of the software you use works fine on Linux or Mac if you need that last 5% tondo your work.
I'm stuck because my SP7 didn't work properly with linux even with the surface kernel and there aren't any working alternatives (or at least what I can afford..) for what I'm using it for :(
I was forced to upgrade back to to win10 because win11 is so broken it was unusable.. the taskbar is forever busted and wouldn't even display all apps, microslop has no excuse, they build the SP7! And then made an os that doesn't work with it!