The United States is named as the biggest threat to the world (even by Americans)
1mon 9d ago by lemmy.ml/u/yogthos in geopolitics@lemmy.ml from lemmy.ml
Why the hell is the Dominican Republic so worried about Russia?
Spain doesn't even think Russia is the world's greatest threat.
Why the hell is the Dominican Republic so worried about Russia?
They don't want to be treated like Haiti.
Who voted for Iran?
Israel
Of course
Too bad Iran, Afghanistan and Greenland are missing data. I wonder what they think
cuba too
Only Iran is a mystery.
It would be interesting to see what Mongolians think, given their geographic position. Mongolia could probably go four different ways.
Iran would pick either America or Israel. North Korea either America or South Korea. New Zealand either America or Australia.
Wait where's Baltics? "No data" is not an excuse here 🤣
Seems obvious enough that it would be Russia
Can confirm.
Propaganda in Japan working like a charm holy shit.
And all of them are right, except Israel (I'm assuming they're the ones who said Iran).
Any country with nuclear weapons can end the world at the press of a button, or even just with a momentary slip-up.
'Respondents are asked in an open-text answer which country they see as the greatest threat to the world. This gives people the chance to choose whichever country comes to mind. 32,133 responses are then classified with large language models to identify each country named.'
So instead of an actual menu with the actual countries??
I've talked to plenty of Americans who do not know the difference between a country and its capital.
But what if they said Taiwan/Palestine, which are not countries by some definitions but might be a persons first choice?
By having an LLM interpret natural language answers, we have eliminated that bias without introducing any new ones! /s
Surprised India and Pakistan didn't say eachother. Also surprised South Korea didn't say North Korea. And is Taiwan treated as a separate state in this data set or not?
I can't find the original data set but these results don't match what I found in a quick google search.
Surprised India and Pakistan didn't say eachother. Also surprised South Korea didn't say North Korea.
If you're not directly affected by the conflict, I assume the US as a global power does seem like a bigger threat to the world at large. The respective neighbours are a local problem, to be sure, but not strictly global. That said...
And is Taiwan treated as a separate state in this data set or not?
I suspect not. They'd likely be biased in favour of the US.
Why are I$$ and the U$A listed as two separate entities?
They are right; The United states followed by Israel are the biggest existential threat to the world, and something has to be urgently done about these rogue nazi states that are armed to the teeth and actively trying to spiral the world into self extintion.
USA USA USA 🇺🇸 🇺🇸🇺🇸
The poster is an actual Russian, btw, spreading Russian propaganda on several accounts.
Also hates me personally for calling it out.
Like Davel, who pretends to be American. Half the fun of coming to Lemmy is tonsee what dumb shit the Ruskis are up to.
Now as usual there's no data on Greenland but i think we all know what they would answer
Gonna be downvoted to hell for this but there's no way that Taiwan shouldn't be colored orange.
meanwhile in the real world https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/taiwan-generational-divide-9.6937542
TL;DR of the linked article: CCP propaganda on social media is swaying the youngest generations to be less staunch about independence from China.
more like turd reich propaganda failing to sway people into becoming the next Ukraine
Why do you think it's simply CPC propaganda, and not a change in conditions as the socialist mainland rises and capitalism everywhere is failing to keep up?
Because I read the linked article.
It isn't "CPC propaganda."
Again, everything I've said is a summary of the article the .ml user posted, which very definitively concludes that the younger generations are apathetic because of TikTok propaganda from China. I don't care if you disagree, I didn't write or share the article.
Like all other wars, Taiwan would be a US proxy push to suicide Taiwan. There's a reason people would be cautious, and as recent as a couple of years ago, 80% of population favoured some version of status quo.
Why would they ask a province of China?
They did ask Taiwan. It is listed as a separate entry. Did you read the data?
Did you read my comment?
They shouldn't.
I read (and re-read) your comment and I'm pretty sure you meant it as they didn't ask Taiwan.
Then you have trouble with comprehensive reading.
I am not questioning IF but WHY, as I literally used the word WHY
I'm a bit surprised about Philippines because they are very Americanphile, and also having a spat with China on South China Sea.
China never started a war that cut off Philippines from energy supplies threatening a famine.
Although China is squatting in a shoal within 200 nautical mile from Philippine coast and bullying Filipino fishermen.
Yeah, having a dispute over a shoal is so much worse than being starved to death. 🤡
Tell that to Filipino fishermen deprived of their livelihood. I bet you never heard of their complaints, let alone actually listen to them. But what do I know, from a poc point of view, you are just a racist, middle class suburban white knight actually living comfortably in the West, professing faux concerns on people who actually has to live amongst communists. Because you want to get that dopamine hit from larping as a whiteknightclown 🤡🤡
bravo, you could not have possibly written a more imbecilic comment
Why? Hits on your nerve that you're actually whiteclowning??
Nah, I love getting free entertainment from internet jesters like you.
You look so hinged right now
Have you actually spoken to people you purport to defend what they think of China?
Literally yes
And how many support China?
Well they're communists so
Kay
The US murdered over a million people in the Philippines during its turn at colonization after the Spanish.
China shouldn't deprive fishermen of their livelihood, but since we're comparing them to the US it's clear which is worse.
You can appreciate which event is more recent given this is a contemporary poll and the amount of propaganda the US would have fed the Phillipines since then.
But, this poll still shows that people in the Philippines still see the US as the greater threat? Despite China's more recent spat in the South China Sea, despite the propaganda, the Philippines still sees the US as the greatest threat to the world. Japan is the only country that sees China as a threat, which mostly stems from imperial humiliation at China defeating Japanese occupation.
That doesn't invalidate their surprise on the matter. There is a logical reasoning behind it.
It's not logical, though, it actually reveals an illogical bias. Local disputes over fishing and territory simply aren't as big a threat to the world as the warmongering empire that killed a million Filipinos and is currently plunging the world into an energy crisis.
Propoganda and recency bias are stronger than you believe.
That's not what the survey shows. The survey shows that, actually, propaganda and recency bias aren't enough. People can access news from around the world these days and they remember their nation's history. If anything, my beliefs are vindicated.
Perhaps it's that American idiocy is further reaching these days.
Though you miss the point that someone can logically assume that recent events would play more into people's minds than the study shows.
But you're missing the point of the survey, which literally shows that it doesn't. It turns out, no, you can't just assume that recent events play more into people's minds. They're not gold fish. They can remember stuff that happened years ago.
Hence the person’s surprise.
Kay
Germany murdered many millions of people in France and Poland during its two "yay blood and iron; let's conquer the world and get the word genocide invented" attempts.
Russia shouldn't be waging a war of conquest on Ukraine, but since we're comparing them to Germany, it's clear which is worse
/s
Germany is a has-been country that basically just helps Israel commit genocide, but not really much else.
The US didn't exactly ever stop killing millions of people. They just hop country to country, Philippines to Korea to Indonesia to Vietnam to Iraq, a million here and a million there, spreading death and destruction all around the world. Those are just the big ones, if we start including the tens and hundreds of thousands there's Chile, Argentina, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Gaza, and on and on.
Remember, we're talking about what country is the biggest threat to the world. It's not China and it's not Russia.
China is already squatting in Philippines' sovereign waters, and you think China won't do anything in the future? Of course, you would not, because you are cheerleading your own team regardless of your own team being guilty of the same imperialism that you pretend to be against.
China is already squatting in Philippines’ sovereign waters, and you think China won’t do anything in the future?
I think this conflict will be resolved peacefully because neither country benefits from open conflict. China doesn't really do war.
Besides, the US-caused energy crisis is going to do more to deprive Philippine fishermen of their livelihoods than China ever has.
I think this conflict will be resolved peacefully because neither country benefits from open conflict. China doesn't really do war.
They are squatting, with the Chinese warships within Philippine territory without permission.
Besides, the US-caused energy crisis is going to do more to deprive Philippine fishermen of their livelihoods than China ever has.
Typical cope.
Sure, as if being water-hosed by Chinese navy to prevent you from fishing is caused by oil supply restrictions!
They are squatting, with the Chinese warships within Philippine territory without permission.
Okay, and I think this will be resolved peacefully. This hardly makes China the biggest threat to the world.
Sure, as if being water-hosed by Chinese navy to prevent you from fishing is caused by oil supply restrictions!
No, but being unable to fuel vessels and trucks after the pumps run dry will cause systemic problems that everyone will feel. An energy crisis hurts all fishers in all of their territorial waters, and then on top of that hurts literally every single person in the country. It's not just that there are going to be boats that can't even go out to sea because they aren't able to get fuel, there are going to be people that can't do any of their jobs in any part of the country. This is the prelude to an economic collapse.
The US is the biggest threat to the world and everyone in the world knows it, including people in the Philippines.
And what does that have to do with China doing their own imperialism by water-hosing Filipino and Vietnamese fishermen well before the war, depriving fishermen of their livelihood? What makes you think China will not escalate from waterhosing when they are already sending warships?
I asked this to many of your "comrades". Have you actually spoken to Filipinos what they think of China? Did you physically go to Vietnam or Philippines and asked them of their opinions?
The OP is about Filipinos seeing the US as a bigger threat than China. They're literally telling us that, in the survey.
You're the one that seems intent on ignoring what they have to say, here.
I only ever defended China as not being as bad as the US. I clearly didn't say China is flawless and immaculate - I literally said "China shouldn’t deprive fishermen of their livelihood" - and even if I think the conflict will be resolved peacefully (China doesn't do war) it's still bad. This is a local territorial dispute, though, and it's simply not as big a threat to the world as the US.
Yet you seem to somehow believe China is worse than the US, which is absurd.
South China Sea is a chokepoint which sees many trades passing through, which China is trying to monopolise. And yet you think that is different from US trying to control the Strait of Hormuz...
How many missiles and bombs did China drop on the Philippines to exercise control over the South China Sea? How many Filipino leaders has China assassinated? Did they blow up hundreds of school children?
It's clear one is worse, and this survey shows that most people on Earth agree with me - including Filipinos.
They are squatting, with the Chinese warships within Philippine territory without permission.
has not much to do with The Philippines per se , it's mostly because of the US Navies ties with The Philippines
Its only manifest destiny if its American; otherwise its lower quality outsourcing /s
Im also a bit surprised by this survey. While I personally believe that the US is the biggest threat to the world, I found it hard to believe that other Filipinos would not say its China. The whole country is so drunk on western propaganda. There's even that news recently here about launching a Tomahawk missile and has been praised by virtually almost everyone even by some academics. The US is highly favored here. Even with the Iran war and the energy crisis, a lot of Filipinos put the blame only on Trump instead of the whole American imperial machinery.
a lot of Filipinos put the blame only on Trump instead of the whole American imperial machinery.
Doesn't this explain why Trump is no accident?
€1900 for the whole data set? Did I miss a ","?
I'm gonna be honest here, I'm not sure about the legitimacy of this. As an American I agree we're probably first with Captain dip shit in charge. That being said, you're telling me Japan was the only country that voted for China, despite them jerking off on the coast to invade Taiwan and them trying to claim all the ocean between them and Australia? While basically terrorizing all the island nations around them?
Yeah, I don't buy that part.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-hated-country
things will have changed since then
The USA did the biggest numbers of coups, bombed the biggest numbers of countries, is responsible of multiple failed states and allow it allies the uae and israel doing genocide.
No, it’s Israel. We are absolutely their bitch. China wishes they had that level of power.
Israel is a vassal state of the US Empire, not the other way around. China isn't an imperial power nor does it desire to become one.
Israel was intended to be a vassal state but their intelligent operation was really successful and they have incredible influence on the US and can flex whenever they need something. Look at the whole Epstein situation.
They have counter-influence, but the tail does not wag the dog.
same thing
I think the Israel option will actually more accurate given that they're the ones driving policy in the US.
#3.
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/top-pacs/2024
That's just offloading the blame the US empire has always been carrying.
Israel is not in control of the US. Israel is a vassal of the US Empire.
Yeah dude, the colony where imperial powers dumped a hated ethnic minority to be in a state of eternal war with the local population to break the local population's strength is totally the one controlling the imperial power that has all the billionaires and lavish palaces.
Can you please not with the antisemitism?
Israel is not Judaism.
Can you please not with the false equivalency?
Israel is not Judaism, but Israel being the puppetmasters behind empire requires reading every rich person that knows a Jew as an Israeli agent and is taken straight from the long history antisemitic conspiracy theories.
Or people simply understand that our government is controlled by lobbyists, and one of the most powerful is the Israel lobby.
No antisemitism or conspiracy theory is required.
one of the most powerful
Okay, now explain how that turns into driving US policy to such an extent that other nations should see Israel as the real threat?
isreal simply doesnt exist without US support, for all intents and purposes they are the same country
So, which is the real threat, the part of the country that wouldn't exist without the other par of of the country's support, or the part of the country that has over 40% of the world's military budget?
both, it's really not a hard concept to grasp
Ah yes, enlightened centrism. One of the easier concepts to grasp, indeed. Great to hold on to if you want to stop thinking about something.
Pray tell, what is #3?
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/top-pacs/2024
Pray tell, are there any numbers other than 3? Maybe even ones that come before it?
Israeli lobbyists exists. The Mossad exists. Israeli propaganda exists. The problem is turning that into Israel controlling the US as if Israel isn't being outspent by the American aviation industry alone.
Hating Israel isn't antisemitism, not sure how many ways this needs to be explained.
I despise the current american regime but ignoring the advances China is having seem a bit ignorant in itself.
I wasnt rooting for china with this comment, just sharing what i read about tech advancements from their side of the world although they stole a lot of tech from the western world by infiltrating and spying on us.
What advances has China made? Right now America is attacking Iran unprovoked. In no chronological order here are some of the things America has attacked:
Attacked Libya. Attacked Nigeria. Attacked Yemen. Attacked Iraq. Attacked Syria. Attacked Korea. Attacked Cuba. Attacked Venezuela. Attacked Yugoslavia.
Didn't they also attack Sudan? Somalia? Columbia? Ecuador? Afghanistan?
And threatened to attack Canada, Mexico, Denmark?
Not to mention Russia.
Plus likely instigated coups in Kazachstan, Georgia, Belarus, Pakistan and Hong Kong.
Basically all their enemies, all neutral countries and half of all of their allies on the planet.
threatened to attack Canada, Mexico, Denmark? Not to mention Russia.
likely instigated coups [...] Belarus
Where the absolute fuck do you get this information from, Russia Today?
All regime changes have been caused by US, therefore we should assume that all regime changes have been caused by US without further evidence. Textbook cultism.
pro-capitalist pro-NATO regime change
The first part sure is relevant when talking about Belarus XD
evidence hasn’t surfaced yet
It's been 5 years since the Belarusian protests have been extinguished and the opposition neutralised, and Belarus and Russia still have found no evidence? One might even start to consider the option that there is none in the first place, but luckily you made sure to state that it doesn't matter anyway, since all regime changes were orchestrated by the US anyway.
Of course, those dumb third world Slavs must simply LOVE their right-wing autocrat who's been ruling over their underdeveloped country for a quarter of a century and putting most of the opposition into jail, they NEVER could've come up with the idea of voting against him or protesting!
You know what's funny? I didn't even ask for "extraordinary evidence", I expected just a minimal explanation, some connection based on something at least slightly better than circular cultish logic.
That link really tells me everything, and explains why we approach this matter differently. I asked rhetorically, but it's true, you really do get this shit from RT, the article is attributed to them. And boy is that whole site fascinating, look at these headlines on the front page:
Putin believes Ukraine conflict heading towards end
Journalist Garland Nixon: The Kiev regime is an MI6 'terrorist operation'
Trump DOJ probes 36 Illinois school districts for secretly transitioning kids behind parents' backs
Researcher blows lid on discovery which could PROVE Noah's Ark was real
A reckoning is underway at the FDA after report is made on child deaths due to Covid vax
These UFO files were just the start. Government insiders reveal 'holy crap' moment coming next... and their bombshell extraterrestrial 'conclusive proof'
...and a bunch of links to Tucker Carlson's videos.
I tend not to visit sites that lick Putin's balls, promote fascists, transphobia, antivaxxers, religious nonsense and UFOs, so I guess I've just kind of missed all those reliable news of USA's meddling into other countries' business.
Just going to ignore the rest of that then?
What?
You think you can write two true things and then a wildly false one, and anyone pointing out the false one is false is "ignoring" the true things?
Get your head out of your ass.
So you've got no response to their actual point, just nitpicking
Why would I have to have a response to the main point? Are we permitted to only ever talk about the US's faults, and can freely make shit up to amplify that point?
So, nitpicking
Keep this mindset for the next time you see someone spreading Israeli propaganda, the same way you react to Russian propaganda.
I meant in terms of technological advancements
Technological advancement by itself is not a threat, at least not existential, for anyone. It is a threat to the US as the largest economic power in the world, but that's a problem for businessmen, not so much for normal people.
Chiba isn't more advanced than Europe or the US. The main difference is that they don't put all their trust in the free market™ but instead chose to use and invest in already established tech.
China is actually more advanced than Europe and the US when it comes to certain areas like manufacturing, and is at a peer level when it comes to tech (soon to surpass).
Thinks the US was fine before Trump, accuses others of being ignorant.
They're not sending their best, folks
Why? China isn't imperialist, and is charting an alternative via its socialist system.
Okay I get it, but clearly it's Israel and Russia
Thinking the US is the one stinking up the world is just ill informed
Little BetaBlake knows better than... almost the entire world.
The every school boy knows fallacy.
Appeal to supposed consensus.
Cute. Not convincing. But cute.
As opposed to you just asserting your position based on absolutely nothing.
Cute. Not convincing. But cute.
Go back to reddit you absolutely insufferable dork
What does this map say if not consensus?
You're dumb and pretentious
Talking like Scott Adams
go home lib
Elaborate.
Please tell me how you became "informed" in a way that led to this absurd take
Israel is a vassal state of the US Empire, and Russia is not a threat except to Kiev. The US Empire is by far the biggest threat to the world.
It's almost impossible to find a moment in their miserable history where the USSA wasn't terrorizing or invading at least one country.
It's the cancer of the world and the root of all evil.
Thinking the US is the one stinking up the world is just ill informed
You think Trump has been busy making the world a better place?
For all the ones making it about Trump, it has never been better with the other side of their uniparty.
Imperialism and wars are bipartisan.
Fuck that whole country and their shitlibs, who will be perfectly happy when they can have their 'democracy' back and keep terrorizing other countries as long as they aren't inconvenienced.
Don't get me wrong, it goes way back. Operation Condor. My Lai Massacre. Iran Contra. etc etc. I singled out Trump because his brazeness, stupidity and odiousness is so hard to miss.
I'm not convinced it's not an act.
There have been a few others more moderate 'clowns' like Dubya or Boris Johnson.
People easily underestimate those people and they get away with a lot more.
The way he acts in interviews tells me he's not that stupid.
Remains ambiguous and unpredictable. Despite the obviously silly statements included or idiotic tweets you should separate them from the actions.
A US president can make decisions by himself but they always work for the same sponsors and people behind the curtains first.
If he wants war with Iran it's because they chose that, not him.
And they can all hide behind and blame this 'loose cannon'.
A good example is NATO.
No way Genocide Joe and his vassal warmongers VDL and Kallas could get our EU countries to pay more, as they wanted.
Many didn't even make the 2% which was the previous deal.
All it took was for Trump to create a row and suddenly we're supposedly on 'our own'.
Now we're wasting 5% or more and massively buying their war crap.
In 2 years he will be gone and the next face will fix our partnership NATO extortion racket'.
But in no way we will pay less.
We vassals can pay and suffer more from antagonizing Russia for their benefit, and they can spend more on harassing China, Iran or whatever country not bending to their will.
Edit:
And now we have Lemmy and the rest of the world laughing at his UNO "I've got all the cards" post.
Look how stupid he is!
Why wouldn't he choose normal playing cards, real american ones that you play poker with?
Do people believe there isn't a team running his accounts and none of them know how UNO is played despite choosing that particular game?
Looks like he really pulled the UNO reverse card.
Who's the sucker here?