I wrote a program in Basic on my Commodore 64 at 6.
I didn’t know how to save my work. I typed and manually proofread code for three hours. It worked. The program was lost when I powered it down.
My brother in arms….
Our Commodore VIC20 came with a big book/manual which mostly taught you how to code. Was an awesome time.
Yeah the “OS” was essentially a basic interpreter and simple editor. I remember that book.
And trying to save your program on a cassette that would give you an error after 30 minutes.
Save? A program? What kind of magic is this?
Veronica Explains has a great video on how manuals used to actually be great resources.
Manuals still are fantastic when available.
I wrote basic on my Apple IIe.
I was all Apple/Mac until 1998 when I built a Windows gaming pc with high school graduation money. Learned to code in art school, after which I switched back to Macs when they went intel, built annoying but fun flash ads and games in AS2 (ECMAscript essentially), then when the iPhone came out I switched to hand coding HTML/CSS/JS web apps and got out of advertising.
Then learned Ruby/Sinatra/Rails/Haml/SASS and did straight web dev into the early days of both React, Angular and Vue. Then quit to do a tech startup with robots.
Now I CAD model original designs for fabrication projects, 3D printing and custom automotive designs.
So I’m pretty technically inclined, but I own 4 Macs, 3 Rpis, dozens of physical computing platforms, and a metric ton of salvaged sensors and ex-RadioShack components.
I think it was pretty common back then to have no way to save. Spectrum zx. Amstrad 464. They didn’t initially have a media to save to. Then cassette tapes could be used. Software piracy was recording the tape, like copying a song.
Yeah, my first was a little Timex Sinclair and it didn't have any media. But each button on the keyboard had a Basic command as an alt key, so I taught myself Basic with it. Many years later I got my BS in Computer Science, so I think it was a pretty worthwhile little computer.
I knew someone who had one for a while. He got rid of it after a few months because the modular design wasn't locking the modules well and would reboot
It’s like looking at a mirror. Only it was a Sharp HotBit (a Brazilian computer) and I was 7 or 8.
TI-99/4a for me, but after the first big loss of something that worked is when I found out there was a cassette adapter. My parents did not buy it new, it was maybe 5 or 6 years old by then, so finding a cassette adapter took some effort.
Worth it though IMO.
Holy crap, I did the same thing! My dad taught me the Random function (RND), which blew my mind. I tried creating a dungeon crawler text based game with random rooms. It was going to be awesome.
fk ya. it will be.
Heh, I was going to comment on my first being a C64 (technically a Vic 20 is the first I ever messed with, but I don't really remember that one).
Do you remember what the program did?
Discluded? I have another hypothesis.
I have a third hypothesis to add to the mix..
Disclude is a verb that means to exclude or omit something.
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/disclude_v(sorry, paywalled).
Okay, if a fucking dictionary is paywalled we have gone way beyond the red line for social recovery.
This is the correct response.
I don't think the OED has ever been online for free. They took a different tack to Merriam-Webster and Cambridge, who figured that the ad money was lucrative.
Getting annoyed at paywalling is understandable, but we can't demand that companies make their stuff free just because we want it to be free.
Eh dictionaries started out paywalled
"Recovery?" Now that's an interesting thought!
Those who use the verb discluded should probably be discluded.
Even autocorrect discludes this as a valid word.
It's perfectly cromulent
Those who don't embiggen this comment should be discluded from consideration.
But what if OP remains intragnisent?
From the context it is clear what you mean.
Ditch OED, befriend Wiktionary
disclude (third-person singular simple present discludes, present participle discluding, simple past and past participle discluded)
(transitive)
(now nonstandard)
- To disclose, make known.
- To separate, keep apart.
- To exclude, not include; to remove from inclusion.
Wiktionary is the best
Engagement bait?
Ignoring data to prove your hypothesis is correct sounds like polling.
Good studies correct for outliers.
To correct, you have to measure them first. How else would you know how much to correct. Measure the variable to control for it is basic good practice.
God damnit.
I remember toting around a Linux textbook in 7th grade, because I had just started messing with it.
Same year I got my General and Advanced ham radio licenses.
Does this make me autistic?
7th grade in the US is about 12 years old.
I'm not a doctor, so I won't guess, but...what's your favorite train?
That's easy, The Lionel No. 381E "State Brown" Passenger Cars are 🔥🔥🔥
I really dig futuristic ones similar to high speed rails. I do love variety between Steampunk/Solarpunk/Cyberpunk.
"Allegheny" 2-6-6-6 articulated steamer. One of the most powerful steam locos ever made, 60 of them ran regularly for 20 years. No one cares about it because it's tractive is lower (even though it has more traction) and it's not the Union Pacific Big Boy.
M497 Black Beetle
Legitimate question, no judgment. When did you first get laid? If you have yet.
Same year I got my General and Advanced ham radio licenses
Damn, you sound like you were super cool haha
figures of speech
Speech lacks a physical form and thus cannot have a 'figure'
The most important question when it comes to adult autism diagnoses: can you afford to talk to a doctor? I'm pretty sure my wallet would burst into flames like a vampire entering sunlight if I walked into a psychologist's office
How has getting the diagnosis helped things for you?
No, but I do think all of those things are generally kind of stupid and annoying, and frankly, boring as hell.
if anything if find the predictability of people's norms and emotional reactions to be depressing as fuck. and their intentions, to be scary in how selfish they often are.
no, it makes you an insufferable nerd though. especially if you went around telling everyone about how cool it was.
"Especially?" That's the only factor that makes one insufferable or not, nerd or otherwise.
Counter argument: boomers who needed to type commands and swap disks to get a word processor loaded, who knew all the hotkeys required to issue commands and the alt-codes for special characters, who today cannot figure out where the file they were working on saved to.
I'm GenX but this is me. I hate modern computing and the cloud in particular. SharePoint is a close second. I think the last excellent word processor was WordPerfect 5.1. Everything since then is worse than the version before it.
I do have sympathy for people who are trying to figure out SharePoint or mobile OS file systems which just arbitrarily change the rules.
The arbitrary rule changes! I have six different folders labelled "android sucks" because different apps are like "I can't access any directory in your filesystem that I didn't personally create." Motherfucker this machine belongs to me. I created that directory. If I tell an app to access a directory, it should do as I command.
When I first got Tasker, it was life changing. Now I can't even tell it to turn off my damn Bluetooth. I hate google with every fiber of my being.
SharePoint was tolerable when I could mount library as a drive. I could use it how I wanted, and the SP people could do what they wanted. But they removed that functionality and we're trapped in an endless cycle of where-the-fuck-is-it and how-come-i-cant-search-for-it.
those aren't the same boomers.
All the ones in my life are.
Same. My dad worked as a call-out PC technician (among other things) and now can't grasp cloud storage.
"I don't want to save it somewhere else, I want to save it on my computer, but all my computers."
I agree with your dad. Everything saved to the cloud is a privacy and usability nightmare. Many people have lost data forever because cloud services misplaced their files.
Yeah, the first computer I remember in our house, I was 4, it was MSDOS, and my mom knew how to run everything, so she obviously had an understanding of command and all that. To this day, she's still incredibly tech illiterate. Her current improved status is emailing me shit that looks phishy so I can figure things out for her. I still get the calls that "something is wrong," and I need to go unfuck things a little. It's funny.
The windows kids know more because there was a possibility some stuff might work with the right sequence of rituals. The mac kids just knew not to try because nothing will work
I started on classic Mac OS and have a successful tech career. I learned to troubleshoot problems on the Mac by disabling Extensions and deleting Preferences files in the prior century. Learned to use Windows after 2000, and it has been garbage the whole time.
I wasn't advocating for windows, they're both trash
I started in 1981 at 11yo with a ZX81 writing games in BASIC. In 1984 at 14yo I was cracking games on Amstrad CPC6128, Z80 assembly. At 18 in 1988 it was on PC in DOS (8086). Yes I installed Linux 0.99 on my 486 PC in 1992 or something.
Never touched an Apple device.
Same, except for having played a bit with Apple 2s. I've had a windows partition on and off to run steam, but it never held any data. Nowadays it wouldn't serve any purpose of course.
I can provide an anecdotal evidence of someone who started in MSX-DOS, then PC MS-DOS, went to Windows, then Unix, back to Windows, then Linux, and now is on Mac.
You went from Linux to Mac?
Many do, and many more use both.
I've used both since about 2004 each has its uses
Not parent, but this was me. I went from OSs before windows, Windows, linux, mac, and now I'm on a quest to get back to linux.
when you're pansexual but with technology:
I think dumb people need to hold onto the idea that smart people are a bunch of nerds with no physical fitness, coordination, game with the opposite sex, autism, allergies, and asthma to distract them from the fact that smart people are on average better people along many correlated dimensions and on others no worse than average.
If we're talking post-year-2k macs, you're de-facto going to skew the results as those were less affordable than budget family windows boxes.
I used to sell apple gear
I had to keep telling off other sales people who kept saying OSX was based on Linux, not Unix
lol. Linux didn’t even exist when I was 12 I think or it was very very young
Yeah. I started with DOS. Windows existed, but I had an older used computer with no mouse and a 5 1\4 floppy and leisure suit Larry.
i started with a commodore 64 lol. Man, I'm so fucking decrepit.
I think I had windows 3.1 on my 386, but I usually lived in DOS because I needed the memory free to play games.
oh the days of 3.1. I over clocked to 33Mhz and upgraded my ram to a hefty 4 MB.
I have ADHD. Always have. Diagnosed ADD/ODD as a kid. Grew up with a old 386 running DOS. Mom eventually updated to a PC running Windows 95, then 98, then Windows ME. When I was a young teen I built my first PC because I was playing Halo 2 on Xbox Live and joined a clan that ran a few Halo PC servers. Learned a lot about stuff then, developed a love for it. Was perpetually broke and pirated a bunch of games, eventually buying most of them.
I recently installed SteamOS on my Legion Go after finding an adapter and new backplate to fit a proper full-sized SSD in it. Also nabbed a couple of extra USB powered fans to keep the WiFi card cool, stuck to the back of the thing with double-sided tape. It's a jury-rigged mess and I love it. I also happen to be a circuit board tech. Not an electrical engineer or anything, but I assemble, test, and rework PCBAs. Had a short stint in helpdesk IT, hated it. I'm much more of a hardware guy. Never did learn to code much past a bit of HTML for my MySpace page back in the day.
Shit, I shouldn't have ordered that Ubuntu CD as a kid.
I started on mac computers in school because Apple supplied them. It was the 80's. By time got to high school they were all PCs.
'Excluded' surely?
Discluded is an uncommonly used word, but it is a word. Could indicate the OP in image is from a UK-English country and an academic - they like the top shelf rare words.
Disclude is a verb that means to exclude or omit something.
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/disclude_v(Oxford English Dictionary. Sorry, they have a dumb paywall now. I used a search engine cached-copy from the definition page).
Only tangentially related:
Bonus vs Malus.
In the context of like uh, a stat boost vs a stat detriment.
I don't even care if that is a valid, currently recognized definition of malus... it makes sense, and its simple and easy to say.
Also I'm American and regularly use 'disclude'.
But also, I'm kinda weird.
I appreciate the weirdness you bring to the world, and the knowledge of 'malus' which is new to me.
Let me put it this way:
I've put a significant amount of thought into trying to figure out why I have the opinions and stances on certain parts of linguistics that I do.
... I ultimately failed at coming up with a model of this that was both wholly coherent and comprehendable to myself.
So at this point I'm just going with 'i am strange in a way that kind of makes sense to me, kind of doesn't, and i guess that is what you call a personality, or something like that.'
I concluded the same.
She may have miscluded.
Oh no, this is going to make me unsociate and have another internal grammar crisis...
I wrote a program in BASIC on my Apple ][, but unlike the Commodore in this thread I knew how to save it. I eventually ended up with a pretty cool maze game. It had several mazes you had to maneuver through, but the mazes would randomly change
I started on a Power Macintosh, does that count?
Same
I was writing choose your own adventure games in basic, but the 2k memory cap was challenging, and loading from audio from cassette tapes was just stupid. I've used pretty much every OS (within reason).
I still don't like macs though.
What if you got started on an Atari in the 80s?
You should get your AARP card in the mail shortly
600xl Or 800xl?
130XE
When I was 10, I installed BackTrack (now Kali Linux) because I liked its background and theme and thought it would look cool to show my classmates
I also did this.
Bricked my computer for 3 years 🫠
Fuck mint, even Windows Vista never broke to the point of being unable to download any file lol
What if we started on an Oric-1?
Great! Oric-1 was not super popular, I don't know a lot of people who had one, Atmos a little bit more, but it was when C64 and Amstrad CPC were king, then ST and Amiga.
I started on an Apple computer older than a Mac, the Apple IIe, but my next computer was a Windows 3.1 one and I never went back to Apple.
My first computer was some kind of IBM with a floppy disk drive and Chip's Challenge.
First computers at school were the iMAC G3s with Zoombinis
Hell yeah, Chips Challenge. I have a copy somewhere, want to sit down one day and beat it fully. Always had to stop since people needed to use the pc.
It had passwords so you could always start it back up on the level you were on. That game was too tough for me as a kid, it also got scary ha
Had a Mac at home and windows at school. Always wondered if that is what made me good at computers.
I had some add a kid. When I moved out it became a bit to expensive (and osx happened, which maar all my knowledge of the os moot) so I switched to windows.
Last year I moved to Linux and will never look back
Fair.
mac people/kids are wealthier, so yeah they'd have better academic scores, generally.
Linux people are the insufferable know it all who just inject themselves into things to brag about how superior and smart they are for an arbitrary operating system choice.
the computing equivalent of that football dad who brags to everyone how good has in high school and how he could have gone pro.
Did Linus Torvalds sleep with your wife or something
no. i just think linux is boring and dumb, rather than the holy spirit of using computers.
using linux is not really some great achievement in life, all it means is you're a nerd who likes command line interfaces. cool, me too bro. I just don't whinge on about it like windows/mac or sunOS is were some great evil prophets and his holy Linus gave us salvation from our computing sins the other OSes make us commit, or something.
people here think treat linux use as a religious awakening and they must shun/covert the non-believers. or argue about the purity of their faith based on the distribution or the age of their first install. shit's wild.
I agree that there's a lot of overexaggeration in the Linux sphere about how great it is (along with the snobs that come with it), but it's not entirely without merit either. Linux has a big emphasis on user choice and configuration, and it's pretty much the only OS in the world which can run on basically any machine that has the specs for it.
It tends to go relatively underappreciated how big of an impact Linux has had and continues to do so in how diverse & ubiquitous it is, so it's not too surprising that insecure users tend to compensate by dunking on Windows/Mac and its users whenever they get the chance. That's not to say it doesn't have its shortcomings (it certainly does) but Linux is one of the few software creations that managed to maintain the majority of its principles over its lifespan without enshittifying itself. So there's also that moral factor which makes many feel justified in glorifying it.
Overall I'd say it's balanced between being overrated and the rise of RNGesus. It's a great ecosystem to take part in (albeit with an occasional degree of confusion) and as long as you treat the Linux supremacist crowd as unserious (which they are when it comes down to it) there's really no reason to dislike it in general. Especially if you want to stick it to Microslop or Slopple :)
You are what I'm complaining about dude.
I'm an IT professional. I don't glorify or condemn anything on principle. They are just tools for jobs. Linux is no more glorious that a hammer. But you seem to think that hammer is the second coming of the son of God. Normal people use hammers to hit nails, they don't sit around and glorify and worship hammers as being superior to screw drivers.
So I'm not entitled to my opinion? It's a little disingenuous to act like I'm worshipping Linux when I literally just denounced that behaviour.
I know it's a crazy thought, but people are allowed to appreciate creations on an emotional level. I'm not shaming you either way whether you like it or not, I'm just laying out some reasons for why people treat Linux the way they do. People are allowed to like their tools and the work put into making them, and so the same thing goes for any software.
It seems to me like you're just having a hard time understanding that people tend to feel sentimental about their interests, which is what, y'know... Humans do. Your principles aren't universal imperatives. You're entitled to them, but you're treating them as objectively as any Linux snob treats their favourite distro.
Funnily enough you're also not entirely consistent with your holier-than-thou attitude towards any biases. This whole back and forth started with you calling Linux boring and dumb, facetious or not.
you are entitled to your opinion. it can also be stupid, wrong, and make you a total douche for having it. racists are entitled to be hateful on people based on skin color. doesn't mean their opinions aren't shitty and nasty and wrong.
you did not denounce it, you exemplified it. 'linux is superior and microsoft and apple are dumb, hehe' you are just being like 'acktually, i'm not like those other linux nerds, my opinions is justified!' no, you are exactly like them, you just think your opinion makes you special and different, when it's exactly the same as theirs.
it's fine. you're a normal person. Most people think their cliche and stereotypical opinions are original and genius and not like the other, because they are theirs. every sports fan thinks they are the REAL fan too.
it's not holier than though, it's indifference and annoyance to you and people liek you thinking you are so smart and special and different, when you are nothing more than a cliche. You are the equivalent of a lifted-truck dude, just with computers. You think you are so cool and awesome and unique, everyone around you thinks you are a insecure insufferable douchebag, and wonders what happened in your life to make you so insecure you have to posture so much.
Damn, sorry I managed to hit a nerve I guess. Pretty crazy of you to compare Linux snobbery to literal racism lol.
When did I ever imply Linux is "superior" to any other platform? You can use Windows, Mac, or Linux, and you shouldn't need to think twice about the "rightness" of your decision any further than what it means to you. There's nothing inherently wrong with any of those choices and they all have their own strengths and weaknesses. You seem to think that because I have a general preference and fondness for Linux and a distaste for multi-billion dollar corporations, that inherently means my opinion is stupid and wrong. Which is silly, obviously, and I'm sorry for thinking I didn't have to lay that out directly for you.
Not once did I imply my opinion is unique compared to all the others, nor did I virtue-signal through the self-righteous "objectivity" of it. I like Linux, and you seem to have a seething hatred of its userbase which surpasses all reason and good faith. That's okay, but it's not okay to immediately lump me in with the annoying Linux users which seem to have made more than a large impression on you. People are not one-dimensional characters, not even the people you dislike so much. They all have their own reasons, experiences, and biases for treating things the way they do, which is why it's not okay to judge people based on cliches/stereotypes or even cognitively assign people to them. Ironically, those are both traits of those racists you seem to hate.
I think that Mac people will score significantly lower than Windows users because the OS is built for people with zero technical literacy.
I think there is some selection bias there with your analysis of Linux people. Maybe you only know the ones that interject because they have interject. Meanwhile a lot of Linux veterans don't bring it up because we don't want to answer questions about it.
it's a joke about lemmy users dude. and how insufferable they are about linux and all the twats in this thread bragging about how they learned linux in grade school like it's a contest to prove how hardcore and smarter they are. and their lack of recognition of how obnoxious and weird that behavior is.
They are like people who argue that German cars are not expensive if you can do all the repairs yourself! It demonstrates a total lack of understanding that non-enthusiasts don't care about your weird smug nerd shit about how you love to suffer by taking hours to setup your custom homebrew network.
Normal people just want shit that works. They don't care about Linux, or when you learned it and Mac vs windows is mostly about the aesthetics and branding, not about the functionality of the OS or it's technical features. They are just browsing social media and watching netflix for 95% of their time on it anyway.