Publisher CEO for Subnautica asked ChatGPT how to avoid paying out bonuses
1mon 4d ago by lemmy.world/u/cannedtuna in microblogmemes
Crossposted from https://lemmy.world/post/46876485
Remember everybody, if you’re going to do fraud, don’t talk about it to your friendly neighborhood surveillance company!
Not unless you're already rich enough to pay them off, at least!
Yes, then you can just use gmail to plan all your crimes and it will never have any consequences for you.
It blows my mind just how unimaginably stupid some of these CEO's actually are. Tell us again, how the best and brightest, naturally rise to the top. I've known janitors with more common sense than this.
Many of them jump ship and keep working as CEOs, dooming dozens of companies as they bank millions in pay.
I've worked with a couple people like this. They'll come in bragging about their (actually) impressive résumé. There will be a honeymoon phase where everyone is convinced Mr. Fancy Résumé will change the world. A year or two will go by and everyone will realize they are the embodiment of capitalism. All confidence, importance and big talk on the outside, actually dumb and ineffective on the inside. Gilded, you could say. They get wind that their time may be up, quit, put their new badge on their résumé and starting fucking the next one. All that is to say there are a lot of people out there who are great at building a résumé, but not actually great at doing any work.
Turds rise to the top
Do they? You might want to see a doctor...
Toilet full of galinstan 👍
high-styrofoam diet.
Not just some.
Ivevonly met one without he was very high at the time and it was still close
When the AI chatbot responded that the earnout would be “difficult to cancel,” the ruling read, Kim didn’t accept the answer. He pushed further—and the chatbot obliged with a detailed, multi-stage corporate takeover strategy dubbed “Project X.”
Project X, not at all childish or anything 😆
It's also a great emotionally crushing movie starring Matthew Broderick training chimps to fly planes.
The kind of thing you'd see in a movie plot. You know, like the text that the text generation machine was trained on that matches this kind of situation.
Project X
Sounds like a teenager's ambitious ideas lol.
Musk is obsessed with the letter X, he probably told grok to always use it,,and that leaked to chatgpt because the plagiarism bots all plagiarise each other.
I wonder if he likes X so much, because X is only missing 90 angle arms to look like swastika.
And then, this dork, unaware of such (and so many other things) read that shit and went "hell yeah, Project X? That's great. I'm in, like a hacker, this is clearly the good stuff only someone like me can get it to do" 😂
And wow. He was right!
Well you have to admit, Project X sounds a lot cooler than Project C.
Holy... I cannot believe that many people would bother to come to an unknown event. Unbelievable, lol. Thanks for sharing.
OMG, the text transformer did a text transformation task!
And yet another indication that rich fucks are not rich because they are smart but because they are sociopaths/psychopaths.
Cunts.
HEY!
Some of them inherited their wealth
Some
I think it’s „Most“. In the rest of the world more so than in the US but yea
No cunts are great what's your problem with cunts
Omg you’re kidding. This can’t be real can it?
It is haha, was heavily reported when it first was revealed!
It is so unbelievably ludicrous why these giants feel so compelled to keep gaining as much money as they can when they could already retire several lifetimes' worth. Greed is truly a mental illness.
I don't get it. If I somehow ended up with enough money to not have to work the rest of my life I'd buy a decently nice house and and a newer sedan so that it's reliable, keep working part time in my field because I genuinely love it, spend more time on my hobbies, and do all the traveling I've been dreaming of but too broke to do my entire life.
If I had a ludicrous amount of money I'd have a serious thought about how many normal people I could help and how and who I wanted to help. I'd love to set up a scholarship fund for adults going back to school (any school), but I'd also love to help adults in underdeveloped nations starting a business, and I'd love to work with medical charities, and I'd love to help underprivileged children get educated, and there's so many things I'd love to do to help people's lives get better.
Scheming on how to steal more money from ordinary people would be the last thing on my list!
That's why you'll never have those options the only way togrt that much money us to exploit and steal and be a bastard
But that's not true; Mark Cuban is legitimately not that bad as far as billionaires go. There are also the owner of Patagonia and some other truly incredible donors. There are people whose lead they could easily follow... and just aren't...
My creepy uncle wasn't bad as far as pedophiles go but he still deserved a wood chipper I used to think we could just dismantle money and watch them and let them have the same kinds of nice life everyone gets but they can't they can't be people again being that rich breaks something in them
What... kind of... I don't understand your response. We were talking solely about the wealthy, not pedos, so I don't know why you suddenly brought up your uncle out of nowhere. Also, do you mean by "dismantle money" the removal of money from society? That's impossible; it's a tool to manage greed, which is present in all. The severity of and social impact of it is what turns it into the level of a mental illness.
Well I was using one of those metaphors to say that not bad for a pedophile is still a pedophile also the rich are all pedophiles its impossible to dismantle money why do you think we always had money what are you smoking here you are just stubbornly unimaginative because you're afraid of needing to care about people or something idk money actually originated as a military logistics technology which means we had militaries so large they could operate a darned mint before it existed learn history before you tell me absolutes of human nature broyoure just jacking yourself off because you know you're a fucking exploiter and you're afraid a better world wouldn't improve your life which is fucking bullshit by the way being on team evil isnt even in your best fucking interest the only reason a better world would go badly for you is if you need to be cleared for it to be born
I'm not going to pretend that I wouldnt do rich guy shit and try to constantly grow my wealth to some degree but at the very least Id make sure my employees fucking adored me and be the absolute gold standard of employers.
That's what everyone thinks they would do. A statistical analysis of lottery winners says otherwise. Most people when they get money go crazy spending and blow whatever extra money they get, thus needing even more money.
You need to keep in mind that that is not an analysis of a random sampling of the population, that is an analysis of people who are willing to play the lottery in the first place. By definition these are people bad with money and planning.
Exactly, and the billionaires are all people who took some crazy risk and actually won. There were dozens of nascent EV companies when musk invested in tesla, he just got lucky and now he's a moron with a ketamine addiction and more money than anybody else.
Exactly, and the billionaires are all people who took some crazy risk and actually won.
The billionaires are all people willing to exploit and steal from others in order to hoard as much as they can. You cannot earn 1 billion dollars.
Luck is a factor, but with daddy's money the can afford to roll those dice as often as they want until they get "lucky".
One of those you may be able to do a bit of today https://www.kiva.org/
Too much money and power just corrupts the mind and I truly believe that only very few people can resist.
Is it too much money and power corrupts the mind, or is it a corrupt mind that seeks too much money and power?
You're right, greed is a mental illness, and exactly the key mechanism here. It's the same underlying thing as hoarding, for the like - miserly greedy, especially.
But there's also this huge complicating factor of the sort of...spot on the spectrum one lands, usually at birth, between no_resources_available and all_resources_available.
Human brains, as they grow into adults, normalize their sort of "home life" circumstances - any understanding of those circumstances - how those compare with broader and broader "others", AKA how their growing up differs from other folks, and how that came to be?
By dint of biological development, the capacity for those thoughts, leaving aside merely hopeful exposure to them - that ability itself can only develop after the developmental points at which the burgeoning consciousness forms its baseline observations about what the world is. Ya dig?
It's something a lot worse than just the hoarding flavor fixated on money. It's mentally unhealable people raising people at such an extreme end of the resources_available spectrum as to make roughly all of them ~equivalently unhealable as a result. Generation after generation, worse and worse, just really baking in that "hole in one's humanity" unwellness.
Until ta-da! - something snaps, then a lotta things do, then a lotta extra heinous shit happens for a buncha years (by which I mean a lotta people suffer, die, and are forgotten), and eventually a whole lotta the world ends up with pretty different rubble and rules to try to reorganize around. Often some flavor of "second verse, same as the first" but yeah.
So IDK what to call it. We keep doing it, must be pretty cool stuff lol.
Every social revolution, bloodshed or not, has brought about either short-lived or very long-lived privileges (divorce, more racial equality, etc.).
Great point, we're certainly due for more of that.
For whatever it's worth, none of this, except the first and last paragraph or so, were truly focused at "you", or your comment / question.
Hope I didn't come across as "dunking" or some shit, I have to acknowledge that I often use Lemmy as a place to unpack some thoughts (and see what others think, too) at random moments and in random threads where I find myself with a few brain cells to try to rub together.
power corrupts
I disagree. My personal experience is that the basis for power abuse is rooted early in childhood and having the opportunity merely fleshes out what was already there. There are good leaders as well; it's just that the bad ones' drama is more attractive, which snowballs with their charisma.
So its unethical to spend money on subnautica 2?
It's the opposite, in my opinion. Krafton is the publisher, but right now their name is no longer on the game. So the Developers are self publishing, it looks like. But since Krafton fucked up so royally, the ruling is that if the game sells X amount of copies (I forgot the actual amount) before September, the developers still get the $250m. And Krafton gets no further say in the game and has no further say in the developer team.
Huh. Maybe. I'm iffy about courts ruling in favor of labor feels lik3 a trap
Do they still get any cut of profits because if so fuck no
No, the devs are getting the payout they deserve.
Do the parasites get any cut? I don't want to give them a penny. More important than paying artists I prefer to pirate or not play if the undeserving take a penny
The stipulation is that if enough people buy the game Krafton loses hundreds of millions. We're talking a range from 145 million $ to 250 million $, provided the game sells between 5 to 12 million units. At 5 million units they will have made roughly 149,950,000 $ — which Krafton immediately loses all of.
This is all readily available information and has been common knowledge in the Subnautica community for months.
It's like 3$ a copy the publisher is still getting $20+ of revenue per copy. It's much better pirating it and donating $10 to the devs. Tjat way the publisher gets zero snd the devs get triple.
The game will need to sell 11.9 million copies at 29.99 in order for Krafton to break even.
Exactly that's why we shouldn't buy anymore dont let them get close to breaking even and then send more than $3 to the developers and everyone wins. If you buy it at $25 the publisher loses $22 less than if you dont buy it.
The game has not sold 5 million copies yet.
'Loses all of' so they get zero cut of any of sales after of just that how much are you inferring how much are you citing exact words
Use commas, you can look at the information yourself — all I know is they're getting fined almost exactly what the game will make between a minimum of 145 million to 250 million.
Edit: the numbers work out to Krafton needing to sell 11.9 million copies in order to break even. The devs are getting paid, and Krafton is getting fucked.
Okay so this sounds like wishful thinking and just blind support of consumerism
Sure it does man
Why is no one using their full name? How do you embarrass anyone or hold them accountable if you didn't even say their name?
Kim Chang-han
There can’t be that many CEOs of Krafton… it’s not really a mystery who it is
I have no interest in learning the names of every CEO. Publish the names when they are caught doing something shitty so everyone recognizes it as an asshole
The point is, "CEO of <company>" is just as, if not more identifiable than their name, that everyone will forget in a week.
Reduces friction and avoiding the need for looking things up.
How does a person this fucking stupid become a CEO of any company? Jesus fucking Christ.
Because we don't promote those with worthwhile talents, the grifters find their way in and fail upwards.
Privilege. That's the entire thing. Meritocracy is a lie.
Always has been.
Partly that, and partly the fact that the system rewards psychopathic attitudes and a machiavellian willingness to stomp on whoever you have to in order to get your way. It's the reason why CEOs and executives exude such a disproportionate level of anti-social behaviour.
They wouldn't be CEO unless they had the parasitic impulse. If they wanted to make things or facilitate people there are way better positions to do that from
Dad was rich probably
Haven't thought avout that before-- all the AI users are making their intent and actions clear when they use it. That's valuable if they get sued or need to be held accountable.
"To keep safe from being sued or held accountable, make sure to only post your intentions on Lemmy!"
Joking, but it amused me to read your comment like this.
Everyone knows lemmy is anonymous and fully untrackable
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Those links I shared are what I know...
No worries, thanks
Holy shit these greedy ass people need to just go the fuck away.
CEOs are hard working geniuses who deserve their very high compensation, episode 84051
Well you know they take all the risks. Except when something bad happens it is how could they have known what was happening in the company.
Have we tarred and feathered this loser yet or what?
Or what.
This CEO is proof that humans are a vile animalistic beast that will eliminate each other as soon as possible.
The worst luck any living creature can have is a human livimg near by.
Any true hyper inteligent alien presense knows to erase humanity if it ever tries to leave earth.
Humans are a biological virus, already weaponized, just waiting to be abducted deployed.
Bro just watched edgy socially critical anime
Nah, most humans just want their basic needs met and a bit extra for a healthy mind and body.
The scum just rises to the top.
He always had a full legal team at his disposal. But he not only didn't consult them, he completely ignored their warnings, fully trusting the sycophancy machine.
Next he sues chatGPT, not openAi, but the LLM itself.
That's because he doesn't have to pay ChatGPT for a consultation, I'd wager.
CEOs are in for a shock in the near future. The board would LOVE to eliminate their bloated salaries, and ChatGPT can actually do their job. Unlike the janitor.
Now, I know a big part of their scam is being on each other's boards and backing each other up, to keep their own salaries high and maintain power. But... nobody gets to be CEO without screwing over many people, and all of those victims don't just disappear into the ether. They have more enemies than many of them even realize.
The board would LOVE to eliminate their bloated salaries
"The board" is typically made up of the CEOs and other C-suite denizens of other companies, so it's in their interest to approve the bloated compensation packages because then their own bloated compensation packages get approved. Corporations are a true circle jerk in the finest sense of the term.
I guess the obvious question is "Did that include CEO bonuses as well?". Those bonuses are the artificially gigantic ones given to scavenger/predators who hurt their own employees to benefit the shareholders.
I still don't understand the justification for CEO bonuses. They provide zero value to the company and shareholders. They are signing away money to an individual with zero return. Aside from motivating them to do the job they are already paid for...
They provide zero value to the company and shareholders.
That isn't exactly true. They make final decisions about what the company does and how, which relates to how profitable the company is.
Bad CEOs reduce profitability while good ones increase it.
Not saying that they deserve massive bonuses for it, though.
I think they're like bribes so they always remember who they serve
Not agreeing with them and not understanding them are very different things.
I don’t agree with them but I do understand that because they do a ton of unethical shit daily to both their customers and employees they feel entitled to as much fucking money as they can grab, because why the fuck not, they sold their soul for this and that ain’t cheap.
Oh and I almost forgot, there’s no consequences.
They raise money, that's the CEOs job. So they get these bonuses because they convinced a billionaire to invest $100M, and if they get fired that billionaire is out.
So should I now buy it or not?
I love Unknown Worlds since Natural Selection but absolutely despise Krafton.
Buy it until their sales numbers get to about 3 million units where sold where the devs bonus starts to cap out. Apparently the devs get $3.12 for every dollar in sales past around $70 million and their total bonuses cap out at $250 million.
If you really want to royally screw Krafton over while making sure the devs get the maximum payout, hoist the colors when they announce 3 million total units sold 🏴☠️
This should be in the description of the post. Thank you so much for sharing this!!
What?!?! The Subnautica people are the same who made Natural Selection?!??
I LOOOOVED Natural Selection!! I’d always play as an alien.. creeping through the ceiling 🤣 The hive mind concept visualized through the "wall hack" was so well done, but the RTS element of the humans was also SUPER original and both sides contrasted each other perfectly
Yep, mainly Charlie Cleveland aka Flayra. Was very active in the forums and I also have donated to get the badge ingame.
Have you bought the first Subnautica?
It still holds up extremely well today.
Note: If you have any fear of open water, or sharks, or anything. It's more of a horror game
Yeah I played it. It is not about the game. I don’t want to give a single dime to Krafton.
So steal it.
Exactly pirate it and donate straight to the devs if you care that much. Makes no sense to pay a publisher to support the devs.
I am waiting for Empress already
It was leaked 2 days before release, so a version is already out there. Mutliplayer didn't work for it though, understandably.
It doesn't use Denuvo and Empress retired months ago.
Fck, I didn’t know Empress retired.
She hadn't done anything in a long time anyway.
It's honest to god a sickness and we need to treat it. These people are unwell
It's the more humane option. Look at what they've done if you just let them alone.
I am waiting. I heard the eula os absolutly ridiculous. I almost wonder if its that way to purposely tank sales
That seems a lot of money for a small game
They were trying to do a Elon Musk/Twitter and bullshit their way from the beginning.
Holy crap if that's not a heartwarming story, I don't know what is.
That should be jail time. Fuck that guy
silly you, jail time is for the poors
A boy a can dream right? This 45 year dream IS take abit long for my liking though
If they didn't have the chat logs, would the CEO have won?
He fired them under false accusations (of not working on the game and instead working on other projects) so no, don't think so.
Yeah but what ppl did and what can be proven in court are not the same. If the chat logs were the proof then without them, who would have won the case?
iirc some of the devs had a hunch of what was going to happen and downloaded the source code before being locked out. That code will have had a .git folder with a neat list of everything anyone ever did regarding the project. And even without that there should still be ways.
OOTL how did the chat log get revealed in the first place?
They were ordered to by the judge
Just further proof CEO is a position usually filled with idiots with no moral compass.
Well that should improve the public's current attitude towards CEOs.
See how easily we could replace CEOs with AI? They're already replacing themselves!
Why is this being announced as a "release"? It's only early access (beta). Games release when they're finished, not when they put out a pay-to-test beta.
Yes, thank you! Even finished games come out not finished now. They end up patching them after go-live.
Released doesn't necessarily mean finished. Subnautica 2 has been released to the public, in early access.
Because it was going to enter early access a lot sooner, but this asshole took control away from the devs.
So it's released from all this meddling.
I was one of the million purchasers of the game yesterday. It's actually quite good.
Just watched jacksepticeye’s first video. Looks beautiful and not terribly buggy. I know what I’m doing this weekend.
Bonuses are not just salaries, they are the tokens of your appreciation. You don't have to pay them if you're not grateful for their work!
It's like a tip! It's actually disrespectful to tip coworkers soi really he was just showing them respect
What an absolute twatwaffle.
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