Lenovo LOQ 15AHP10 I just purchased for my son. Bought new in Australia and paid $1500
25d 16h ago by reddthat.com/u/TheFermentalist in pcmasterrace from reddthat.com
I just bought this yesterday for my 16 year old son. He is in year 11, doing subjects heavy in maths and science. His old laptop was 8 years old and falling. I had a budget of $1200, reluctantly, as I knew that DDR prices and storage prices had gone through the roof recently. Typically, I have spent $700-800 on laptops for my kids.
I walked into a local retailer and this was presented as a laptop that had been ordered and not collected or paid for. Price was $1,999 firm.
After some negotiation, I walked out with it for $1,500. Way more than I was comfortable spending but it seems to be a good deal, unless I am missing something?
We are on Lemmy.
I am obligated to not only ask that you switch to Linux (please do), but I also must suggest a distribution (Mint).
I don't make the rules.
I use Arch btw, so it's my job to say you should totally use Arch.
the hardest part of using Arch is the obligation to tell anyone that you use Arch. if you forget it won't boot anymore.
I use Nyarch, because I’m an arch user of exquisite taste, so it’s my job to say you should totally use Nyarch while I tip my fedora
Tips my fedora as a sign of respect, whilst secretly studying the blade.
I haven't used raw Arch, but I have been using Garuda for a while. I'd recommend this or CachyOS rather than pure Arch for someone not used to Linux, and especially a child.
He has to have windoze for school. No choice. My computer runs mint, my wife’s runs Ubuntu, and my other son runs Arch.
Winblows.
Winslop
Loosedoesnt
Dual boot maybe and have it be the Tiny 11 version of Windows instead?
My partner had to still use Windows at the time when I got her a gaming laptop about 2 years ago and it ran so much better under tiny 11 then standard stock Windows. Also fixed a wifi issue some of the bloat ware was causing.
As a graduation gift you can wipe it and set him up with linux. It's like the burning of old homework, but the burning of the bits
I second both of Adulated_Aspersion's suggestions.
Praise be to our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds!
Yes, though I would endorse Fedora or an atomic variant e.g. Aurora or Bazzite
OpenSUSE here. I dont recommend or condemn any actions unless you are comfortable and happy to do so.
YAST QUEEN.
I think you mean Manjaro
They guys who keep getting their domain cert expire over and over... and over... and over?
🤔 works for me
It's not the functionality I'd be worried about.
I heard CachyOS is the new hotness now. Mine is still running Mint though, because I like it and it just works.
I’ve been using Manjaro for a couple years, and of course didn’t see any of the hate for it when trying to pick a distro, or for the first like 6 months of using it. But tbh the only part of my manjaro experience that isn’t fine is that they disable hardware acceleration for h.264 and h.265, with no easy way to enable it. Which is very annoying since I run a Jellyfin server on my desktop. But overall it’s been trouble-free for me.
But along with the seemingly constant power struggles over there, makes it hard to recommend. I hear endeavor OS is the new “easy” arch
Idk how much Australian dollars are compared to pounds, but it seems like very good specs for the price. I got a fairly similar laptop (4080 vs 5060 would be the main difference) for about £3000 last year
£3000 is about $AUD5,600. Feeling a bit better about spending the money now
Yeah honestly, not really knowing price trends in Australia, from the US this looks like a steal.
Not sure on those specific specs but on ebay you can often comfortably find ex-corporate laptops in mint condition for just 2-300 quid. Il never buy a first hand laptop after i "discovered" this trick.
Fair point. I like warranties when buy for school
for school the specs are waaaaay too overkill. You can easily get away with much much lower and cheaper specs.
But had a quick browse for similar specs on ebay, and it looks like you can get second hand for roughly a little bit more (for your specs), so overall its a reasonably good deal for the specs
Remember to reinstall Windows, so you get rid of some of the bloat, if you aren’t gonna install Linux on it 😎
Great deal and it should last a while. Don’t listen to the people here recommending you uninstall windows, let your kid figure out what they want to do with it.
You can remove any 3rd party antivirus though, if it came installed. Defender is good enough.
First thing we did was uninstall the third party antivirus
First thing you do is reinstall Windows. And then run wim11 download script.
Are those prices in dollaridoos or did you already do a conversion?
In dollaridoos
Seems like a good deal.
Oof. Glad I bought my rig off a friend and paid in drugs.
Sounds like the best deal, honestly
What're we taking here? This thing worth like 2 or 3 rocks of crack, or like 5 Marijuanas? Or what?
I think I just scooped speed paste into a baggy until we both felt it was about enough lol
dad got a deal tho
Yep. Unfortunately, retailers don’t accept drugs. Well, not the one I went to
Yeah it's not typically the most reliable form of transaction I'm afraid.
At work we buy workstation laptops for our engineers. From Dell, the exact same laptop cost $3,200 in January, $4,400 in April, and $5,900 as of mid-May.
We're just not buying them and instead shopping different brands.
The AI bubble has absolutely fucked pricing for computers.
I'm out of the loop on prices, but I can tell you Windows Home is a disaster. I've had the displeasure of having to interact with one and it was so anti-user, it still hurts to think about.
The bloatware is by default a scam. All the My Documents stuff is set to OneDrive by default, and i do mean all of it.
Copilot is on by default - that's browser, windows search and Office demos (you need a subscription to use them fully and they're all in the cloud, not really local). It will add itself to all texts created or edited with default Microsoft programs like notepad or Office. Any schoolwork done with Copilot active will possibly create problems for your kid at school.
Login is set to require an online connection by default. You literally have to set it manually so that you can login on your PC when the internet is down. Imagine my surprise when I had to reboot while offline and couldn't get past the welcome screen. We're not very welcome on our own PC anymore.
Files are encrypted by default, which sounds nice and safe, until something goes wrong. The access codes are kept in your Microsoft account, online, so if you don't have access there, you're screwed out of recovery.
File indexing is wonky, so Windows at times ends up keeping a cache or copy of everything, doubling occupied space for seemingly no reason. 100Gb gone missing for no reason, it's usually file indexing at work.
Every security-related* network request gets logged. It gets added to a specific file somewhere a Home user doesn't really have access to and needs to jump through hoops to find it. Windows 11 being telemetry hell full of spying bloatware makes a network request for location access every 5-15 minutes, which gets logged to that file. It will generate an encrypted log file that will eventually reach over 100Gb in size, similar to file indexing only more routinely, that's a bitch to get rid of. I would know.
Windows Home treats the user as a delinquent juvenile offender. It's not your PC when you have it on, but a heavily restricted and surveilled privilege that everyone but yourself can control. Get rid of it.
File indexing is wonky, so Windows at times ends up keeping a cache or copy of everything, doubling occupied space for seemingly no reason. 100Gb gone missing for no reason, it’s usually file indexing at work.
I still can't understand why MS doesn't use the features they themselves implemented in NTFS to make the search work like in Everything. Those features are not even new anymore, and still they implement a search that sucks so hard that i'd rather search manually by browsing random folders.
That's a good deal for 1500 AUD. The Ryzen 7 250 might sound weak based on category alone ("two gens old", mid-midrange), but it's still a Zen4 Hawk Point 8C/16T little guy at 26-30W TDP, comes with a quite performant Radeon 780M (meaning you could game on it without the RTX, even!), and it easily goes toe to toe with the Apple M4 (regular base model, non-Pro/Max!).
What this means is that while the dedicated GPU is disabled, you should get pretty solid battery life - up to 5-6 hours I reckon - while also being able to game with slightly better performance than the Steam Deck, AND with the dedicated GPU - usually while connected to mains - you'll get proper performance around 90-120fps on high/est settings in most games.
Oh, and one more thing. You might've spent a bit more than you intended BUT you bought a more future-proof hardware at a steep discount (you spent 25% more than intended, the seller got 25% less than intended). That laptop will last you about as more in time as much more as you spent on it.
The x50 hasn't seen any removed cores. Both 250 and 450 come with 8C/16T config, but the 450 has ~50% more raw performance based on benchmarks.
Except that doesn't matter because we're doing model by model comparison.
"ooh, a lower end device that is marked to be lower end, did exactly that and lowered the end result"
You are a good dad for getting your son something he can really use. Most people would just give their kids a tablet or cheap out and get something that just barely works. This is a good machine I would happily use myself (after putting Linux on it). A bit chunky for taking it on the road, but presumably he would just use it at home anyways.
That's about $1000 USD. I'm general pleased with the enterprise Lenovo laptops I deal with, and the few consumer ones I have touched have left good impressions on me. I think for the hardware you got a great deal.
As far as Windows goes, I suggest debloating it at the very least. If you are not tech savvy and don't feel like digging, this tool is great. Just don't uninstall Edge.
Also, there is no cost associated with downloading and installing Windows pro or Enterprise. You could purchase a key off kinguin if the activation message annoys you, or run the massgrave script to pirate it.
What tool?
https://github.com/christitustech/winutil
Chris Titus' debloating utility. Professionally, I perform much of the same.
I've loved my Lenovo Legion.
I had a Yoga running morning Mint for a bit. It was quite solid.
I just bought a LOQ and put Linux Mint on it. It's a much more pleasant experience than the few times I booted into Windows 11.
I really enjoyed Mint for its stability. I ran it for several years. When I upgraded my video card the stock kernel was too old and not compatible with the card (the stability!). I have been running Fedora since then, and I'm quite pleased with it.
if they cant/arent willing to move to linux, i recommend installing something like tiny11, a stripped-down version of windows 11, without ads, edge browser, copilot
Very fucking good deal. Well done mate.
So, I bought something better spec than that shortly before they fucked up the ram and storage prices for about $400usd less. All told, you got a great deal, I think? It's good hardware and I think lenovo isn't putting backdoors in the hardware anymore.
Stay strong out there friends. Even in AUD, this shouldn't be so expensive, right?
Yeah, absolutely crazy prices and based on absolute bullshit too. Can only hope the bubble bursts soon
Genuinely curious, what do you even use a laptop for when doing maths and science? UK here and I did both at A-level which is year 12/13. I don't think we really touched a computer for it, maybe the occasional pdf of an old exam paper.
I had a laptop, but it was mostly used for running a minecraft server.
Problem sets in college are done in LaTeX. Lots of python and R in STEM. Not to mention essays, watching lectures, and taking notes.
Lectures at 16?
typing up some essays, thats what i used family pc back a few decades ago
Essays for maths and science?
We also did English language, literature and history. Donno what school is like now but we had to do a fair number of subjects 11-16. And yes some more humanities centered ones had essays to do
Ahh if you are doing that as well then sure. Though essay writing doesn't need anything like those specs. I could write an essay on a pi zero.
Absolutely
maybe MATLAB too?
Overkill for the use case, great deal for the price. Also will last forever with 4 battery cells.
If he is getting a gaming gpu the kid is probably a gamer
I mean that seems like a pretty good deal in USD... and possibly I need to go shopping for computers in Australia if that was AUD.
I have a similar Lenovo Legion 5 and paid about $1500 for it. Loved it so much I bought one for my husband and daughter, lol.
Their customer service is amazing, we had a fan die in mine and they contacted me and within a week they had a guy AT MY HOUSE fixing it right there.
Amazing.
Also upgrading the RAM is easy peasy should you need to.
I picked up a loq over black Friday sales last year for $800. Very happy with it. Linux mint. A separate account that runs steam when connected to the living room entertainment center.
That is AUD
All of the comments below are relevant. Also being in Australia, school of distance is a thing. He only attends campus a few times a year for social activities and exams
Thanks. Yes, just at home for school work and a bit of gaming.
Okay so not sure why you posted this AFTER buying it and not asking before
Because sometimes you can’t walk away saying “hold the deal for me, I need to do some research. “ These things happen in the moment and you need to make a decision on the spoy
great price.
I think you made a good choice. I recently bought a Lenovo LOQ 17IRX10 at MSRP and I'm very happy with it. Before this I used a Lenovo Legion 5 17ITH6 for four years, and I only replaced it because Windows 10 is going EOL and I didn´t want to bother with switching to Linux on a dualboot.
I booted into Windows 11 a few times to check whether everything was working well, and that really cemented my decision to just wipe the whole thing and install Linux Mint. It was slow and cumbersome and I kept getting ads from either Microsoft or some preinstalled software. Switching to Linux didn´t go as smoothly as people sometimes suggested it would (but that's probably because I wanted to create a very specific setup), but now everything works very fast and it's just really nice and quiet.
The only problem in this is the microslop, otherwise it looks all fine to me.
Okay so not sure why you posted this AFTER buying it and not asking before but here are my 5 cents:
1500 AUD are roughly $1000. I think this price is overall ok for the specs that you got, however I'm not sure about the specs themselfs.
Due to current RAM and GPU prices I would have bought a laptop with no dedicated GPU. The integrated GPU is usually enough for watching videos, doing basic work and as long as you don't play any games (if you do so you shouldn't buy a laptop in the first place).
I'm not sure how it is in your case but most laptops I had have extendable/switchable RAM. I would have bought a laptop that has a single 8-16GB RAM stick pre-installed and has one extension slot so that you can upgrade once the RAM prices go down again.
Also get rid of this preinstalled Windows 11 Home that has likely a ton of bloatware preinstalled. I recommend a full clean Linux or Windows 10/11 Pro installation (btw here's a possibility how to activate it once installed).
This isn't the laptop someone who knows what they're doing gets though. This is the laptop that's going to get them through 4+2 years while they discover that.