They don't have intelligence, they have spicy AutoCorrect
Exactly, I see people freaking out about this tech replacing them. It's not gonna happen, not with OpenAI's tech anyway. They don't have intelligence to sell. They have LLM's that are good at tricking people who don't know better into thinking it's inteligant. LLM's can't think and they can't reason.
I think the worry of large layoffs and instability while idiots try to use AI instead of people is founded even if it’ll end in disaster.
Certainly, since it is already happening. It's not gonna fully replace the workforce but it is reducing number of jobs. The amount of AI art I am seeing just on the street makes me sick, couldn't even bother to pay an artist a small amount when starting a new business.
they will just hire from low income countries, maybe only limited amount senior level candidates in the US . thats what bio does mostly, really doesnt hire fresh undergrad, but someone with more significant experience soley, plus they can have the ones on visa with standby.
the layoffs already have been going on since 23, i think its going to accelerate to the point that even undergrads sees a tech degree might not even be worth it anymore.
my favorite part of this is that after decades of sci-fi dystopias based on fear of evil AI overlords that destroy the Earth, in reality we're creating a dystopia where we destroy the Earth to build a bunch of shitty plagiarism bots and treat them like they're AI overlords.
I can't stop thinking that all dystopias are actually giving ideas to the rich.
At least one corporation is trying to make every Black Mirror episode a reality as we speak.
idiocracy, TNG,DS9 both predicted this. idiocracy specifically, was controlled by an AI.
I'm not worried about this tech replacing people, I'm worried about the fact that people are actively losing neural elasticity from using LLMs to think for them.
Dont be worried, be certain. People are RAPIDLY becoming dumber. They already were because of the dumbing down of everything in general but this is accelerating it.
I do have faith in weird pockets of people who have niche interests like role playing games and people who create cool things and write, but the masses disappoint me.
Finally someone sees it.
Sorry, but you're wrong. I'm gonna get the downvotes because everyone loves to hate on AI, but it's true. There are many many entry level software jobs that can get replaced right now. I do AI research for climate stuff and all of my colleagues feel the same way. Yall can live in a different reality if it makes you feel better, but it's not the truth. That doesn't mean it's not a form of a bubble or at the peak of the hype cycle, though. Both things are true.
From a wealthy elite perspective, it's the desire of the ultimate triumph of Capital over Labor, and that's terrifying as being on the Labor side.
You are right that it can do some entry level jobs, but the system as it is requires those jobs to exist. There is no such thing as a senior developer that was not previously a junior developer.
I believe that is where the collapse will happen. There will be a sucking black hole of demand for senior talent and almost no talent pool. Add on to that the fact that the sources for LLMs' ability to code (stack overflow, countless private forums, Reddit, etc) have been destroyed by those LLMs. How will they learn anything new?
I don't fundamentally want the technology to fail, but it seems to ravenously consume everything, even the knowledge and manpower bases that were used to build and train it.
This is actually one of the bigger things overall, this level of disruption they hype, even if you buy the optimistic side of what can be delivered will either eventually lead to some sort of universal basic income for everyone(sus) or millions of people without income and no one able to replace the people who’s knowledge and experience are needed to correct mistakes that will for sure happen even if the models/agents get much better than they are forecasted to be. There’s more but I think the point is made.
It’s almost like people don’t realize that epistemologies have a time dimension that needs to be sustained to persist.
That epistemologies have a body, which is human behaviour.
The fuckin’ Morlocks are trying to conjure the singularity by a massive and rapid capture of the function of those epistemologies, in code that is now commodified and alienated, before their “only disrupt” ethos pulls the technological rug from under them and us completely.
What do you mean when you use the word “epistemologies” in this context?
I'm using it generally, to refer to skills, knowledge, and understanding of industries and other economic topics, per the thread. We are seeing disrupted chains of knowledge and experience, what amounts to an abdication of tradition, and a surrender of economic power. These specific epistemological systems are the fabric of civilization.
Yeah, I'm a translator and the jobscape has completely changed. Basic shit can be done on a "eh, it's good enough" level so I stopped getting such job offers. The only thing I get now are technical work or something more "human" required like novels, game localization, other such works of art. I think it would be really hard right now for anyone new to find clients because most people are OK with just "OK."
I made a Lemmy community for translators who like to provide help and also add a bit of human touch to the process.
Interpreting is still in demand, I feel, because people still like hearing natural-sounding speech (AI is getting there but it's still kinda creepy) and it still mixes up a lot of information. Also, people don't speak with perfect grammar. They make mistakes, use filler words/sounds, trace back, mix languages... All of which confuse AI—for now. Also language pairs like English and Japanese can be a bit tricky because Japanese sentences tend to run on forever and also kinda go backwards compared to English (JA: reason then conclusion; EN: conclusion then reason, for example) which again throws off AI.
Yeah if something is important enough that I need an interpreter instead of just fumbling through it with my bad second language skills, it will be a human. Things like that require understanding nuance and context and being able to say "sorry I didn't get that" so that they get it right.
Nice. If you need Japanese-English, you know where to find me lol hashtaghustleculture
I can hate AI and acknowledge that you're correct.
Thank you. Also I can almost guarantee you don't actually hate AI. You probably hate these LLMs used by OpenAI and the like, am I right?
What is there to hate about something like GraphCast, AlphaFold, or reinforcement learning for fusion research? (Funnily enough those are all from DeepMind, where my mentor actually works at now)
How capable are LLMs at replacing software jobs above an entry-level grade? I imagine giving a gaggle of fresh grads the entirety of human knowledge and asking them to create software would create something, but I don't imagine the outcome would be high enough quality to have a net positive in productivity after someone has to spend the next 5 years adding to or changing it.
So let's talk about the Anthropic models, cause that's what I'm playing with on the company dime.
Wire up a few mcp configs (don't even start me on the inherent risks associated with current MCP permissions model...) and give it a run book and it's great at generating reports for me about stuff I kinda care about.
Could if replace an entry level grad? Sure. Will that company have all kinds of strange problems - hell yes. Think of it as an intern. You can give it all the crappy intern tasks while you make coffee. Only the intern improves when you give feedback...
Also, I wonder what happens to these companies in the future when there are no senior developers anymore, because nobody hires junior developers to train up.
Cobol. We have experienced this problem happening organically with Cobol developers. The worlds financial infrastructure runs on Cobol and anyone who had skills in this language can pick the company they want to work at.
they seem to be trying to do that, prefer to hire only senior/ or have multi-year experience in the field. biotech is pretty much at that level already, preferred candidates are the ones with GRAD degrees, or lower wage outsourced workers(visa holders) or somehow if you are lucky while getting a degree already have 2-4years experience working in a lab volunteer not as a labtech. or biotech/ health adjacent like CLS is gatekept by the limited the amount of schools that teach this graduate program(EVERYONE wants to bumrush cali to apply to those programs, so competitive)
After several attempts ai still cannot fix a bug in a set top box without introducing 3 other bugs and about 7 loops of extra, untested complexity doing fuck knows what
Congrats this is the first realistic comment about AI I've seen not get down voted to hell.
The problem is people are already being replaced by AI. The AI isn't actually doing the job they vacated, but now they are in a horrible vortex called the 2026 job market.
That's missing the point. They're going to do it anyway, true intelligence or not.
They tech doesn’t have to do what they say it will, they just have to convince enough middle managers to make enough graphs to get the c-levels to sign off on the huge cost savings that will never materialize.
Altman is desperate if he trying to peddle whatever AI features is going on right now. HIs creator"thiel, likewise has been very active in the news"
The people getting tricked are CEOs and investors.
It's at least a bubble if not a fad.
It'd be diffetent if the AI sales pitch were only tricking lonely people looking for text-only relationships.
I agree with you in a sense, but what a good trick it is.
It’s so useless for niche topics it’s not even funny… which is the only thing I’d ever want actual AI for in the first place.
so... even if it's not complete AGI, it's still extremely helpful for many industries, and extremely disruptive. There are long ways to go with it, but even these intermediate products are massive.
Having said that, it's also in a bubble or the peak of the hype cycle. That doesn't mean it's nothing though. It will cause massive upheaval.
ah "disruptive"
Technically spicy autocorrect is still AI. But technically a simple checkers program on a $5 Chinese gaming console is also AI, as long as it implements just some small aspect of intelligence. That technicality is exploited like crazy by the LLM hypers.
Four people that downvoted you are admitting that it is smarter than they are.
by intelligence they mean human data
they're pretty up front about it. They want to gatekeep knowledge so they can monetize it and control the labor.
I don’t see any gate here though. Knowledge remains available through old fashioned means.
But they don't want it to remain so. They want to their agents to be used as educators in place of traditional education. Look at what Google just announced for Gemini answers to start fully replacing actual search results. They want to be your only sources for information. Then they can make sure it's the information they want you to have, rather than an unbiased source of actual information.
Yea of course people would like to be able to charge you for the air you breathe. That doesn’t mean they are or even could. I have a hard time imagining how Sam Altman is going to block me from gaining knowledge through other means.
So they stole the data to create these abominations and now they want to sell it back to everyone. Does no one see the fucking hypocrisy?
To psycho/sociopaths/maga, hypocrisy doesn't matter.
No rules or laws matter. Ethics or morals don't matter. Pain and suffering don't matter.
They will do whatever makes their empty souls feel thr need to achieve to satisfy their inhuman lust for power, control, status, and notoriety.
Should be forced to pay every person who ever once posted on a website (no matter what it was) $20,000. Just throwing it out there.
So they stole _____ to create _____ and now they want to sell it back to everyone. Does no one see the fucking hypocrisy?
It's not intelligence
Its the vast, free resource of the internet. Mined, paywalled, repackaged and sold back to you at a premium by rent seeking talentless hacks
The sad part is
LLMs have niche use cases. They are great at summarizing text (“hallucinations” are a problem with an engineering fix). Other models are great at stuff like image recognition, pattern matching, optimization of data structures or the like. There are real, useful applications for this technology that could save actual humans actual time and effort.
But there’s no money in that; so instead they market their mechanical Turk, built with stolen source material, as a replacement for things people do. every middle manger thinks they’re going to save the company and get promoted to CEO for optimizing the workforce out of the job, and the demand allows big tech to finally steal personal computing from society as a whole by buying up literally all the components for decades. Building and using a personal computer is going to become lost knowledge by the time the supply settles from this heist; there won’t BE a market for PCs by then.
Seriously you cannot go to a conference about enterprise software in 2026 without every talk being something AI related. It’s honestly bonkers anyone would put this much trust in another company to essentially run their business. It’s like the WORLD is hallucinating.
You’ve seen what connectivity has already done to some people…imagine what it’ll be like when there is ENTIRELY no control…
No open source, no piracy, no porn, no freedom to discuss anything even slightly taboo on message boards, no safe spaces for LGBTQIA+, or bloc; no criticizing the government, and you pay &59.99 per month or you lose all your pictures of your kid, your loan paperwork, and your tax documents, since local storage just isn’t sold anymore. Hard drives? You mean like a record player? Only hipsters have those! No one who’s serious stores things locally! We’re too busy to deal with the hassle of plugging in devices or making backups, that’s for luddites.
God help you if they decide to exclude you from the banking system.
LLMs absolutely have their uses. Summarise X. I've thrown it a list of client sites and told it to group them in lots of five based by geographical proximity when planning the logistics for a rollout. I've also literally watched my boss get driven almost to a stroke trying to "troubleshoot" something using AI and failing miserably because LLMs don't think. They're literally incapable of saying "Hey, what if you just click on that menu and do that instead" (yeah I fixed it in five minutes and told him LLMs aren't for that dude, don't do that.)
but, for my original point: Google is already fucking up the knowledge base. You can try and search something and you will literally have the answer obscured, even using an alternate search if they rely on aggregates of other engines. Unless you use google's AI summaries. Because they want to present as the authority, the knowledge source and that is actively fucking dangerous, not to mention the sheer fucking audacity of obscuring knowledge sources they don't even fucking own just so they can pretend they have that information.
Bingo! Calculator and compilation engine.
The wording also struck a nerve because many AI models were trained on enormous amounts of publicly available internet data such as books, articles, forums and creative work created by millions of people who were never directly compensated.
That's much too kind. We were never indirectly compensated, either.
and creative work created by millions of people who were never directly compensated.
That's much too kind. We were never indirectly compensated, either.
We were never even asked for permission to use our works and words.
Stealing your original work so you can pay for a regurgitated version of it.
It also means there's nothing unique about their AI that couldn't be replicated by someone else.
He's basically selling bottled tap water, you can get the same thing by just going into your kitchen. There is no actual product.
Oh, of course. It's all lowest-common-denominator, mediocre bullshit. If they could come up with something unique, that would be actual intelligence.
If you want to test this out, try asking for "novel" or "unusual" output. It's still derivative, but perhaps just a little bit less derivative than standard output.
...you didn't get your check?
Came just in time for me and has solved so many issues. I'd suggest calling about it. Anyway, gotta run, christening party for the new boat!
They scraped the internet's knowledge and want to sell it back to those who actually created it.
Rent-seeking has entirely replaced innovation in modern capitalism.
Innovation was only ever a small part. Rent-seeking is more fundamental to capitalism than "innovation" is. It's just more brazen than we remember from our childhoods.
Paving Paradise in 3,2,1......
Hype first, tangible income stream last, and this isn't it.
How did that grifter get the job in the first place.
Sounds familiar. Hype first, promise "next year" availability, deliver on promises never.
"Your car will be out working as a taxi while you sleep."
Just one small problem, rent your car as a taxi to whom Elon? Fucking Batman??
Holy used condoms all over my car, Batman!!
To say nothing of the added wear and tear in general... Jesus.
Somehow that guy can make a call and raise a billion dollars or 10.
You don't understand, the 'top level' of society is almost entirely made of the dumbest animals on earth. If you can get in front of one of these halfwits without a handler nearby you could come away with millions of dollars and an obligation to give them a stick of spearmint gum.
Putting aside that what they sell is not even inteligence: if they are providing a utility, then let’s regulate them like a utility, e.g. electricity distribution
It's wild how almost everything in the world is comic book evil from like a really poorly written comic.
In the very end, the good fictions are the more unrealistic ones
Companies can already buy intelligence as a utility. It's called contractor work. Buying tokens from Sam Altman is not going to result in the outcomes the companies want. Hire me instead, at least I kind of know what I'm doing.
Snake oil salesman is saying that snake oil is a cure for everything.
I was heartened by college graduates booing these assholes.
Impossible. It doesn’t require any local infrastructure, so there’s no inherent lock-in like you see with utilities.
Utterly delusional CEO.
Except water. I bet this is some weird way of arguing they are a utility so have a right to utility infrastructure and how water is distributed.
Less "we are a utility" and more "we need all your utilities, all your clean water, all your power, and we want to decide how it's used"
With the right government, anything is possible. Sam isn’t delusional at all. He’s a walking humanitarian crisis, a psychopath, a public threat to society, a terrorist if you will. We were all supposed to be using Loopt by his words.
a psychopath, a public threat to society, a terrorist if you will.
I've heard it argued rather well that it's more dread than terror that these pricks create. It's a useful distinction, but 'dreadist' rolls off the tongue like a brick.
Why does he keep calling it "intelligence"? It's not intelligent. Even calling it AI is a stretch. It's an LLM.
Also, intelligence already means something else. When phrased like it is in this context, it sounds like he's talking about selling espionage.
But then again, telemetry and adware are essentially espionage. So maybe that is what he means...
The dude changes his pricing model everytime he's interviewed. Dude has no idea what he wants to do, so long as it's billable.
He just wants money
Every capitalist is a conman.
The only capitalist that isnt, is a socialist
I am so jealous of this guy's ability to lie. I'm just so crap at it, I end up just telling the truth.
I have bad news about the chances you will ever become a billionaire.
Yeah, I've got like 10 people ahead of me
Literally the future capitalism has always wanted; all common resources seized from the public for the good of private equity.
I’m not anti-AI, but anti whatever fresh hell they are unloading unto the masses. This is something that requires careful planning to ensure we don’t devastate resources or stall critical think skills and knowledge.
This is one of the hardest points for me to articulate, trying to convince everyday folks including families and friends that these Technologies are actively making us dumber.
Wiring up a solar and battery array, and then wiring up an entire miniature rack mount full of tech myself using 'AI' was absolutely critical in understanding the Nuance between different products and between different wiring schemes, but I realized after about 3 months that I was spending at least 15 times a day asking about the ampacity of different wire gauges ("how much current can this gauge of wire carry safely? What about that gauge of wire?") Before I finally just made a table of common wire gauges in both aluminum and copper, and then printed it out and tacked it onto my wall like it was still 1997.
I reduced my net time spent querying by at least 20% in the past month by looking at my patterns.
This isn't a brag. This is me admitting that I got stupid and then I'm forgetting the power isn't knowing stuff but in having that knowledge at our fingertips, and that asking some mega Data Center two states away to boil half their freshwater and brown out half their town so that I can be told that I really do have to up my wiring material, makes me feel gross.
Fundamentally there's no difference between a chart you made and asking ai. The problem is you're not attempting to retain the information.
The upside to the chart is that it doesn't rely on someone else providing you the means to your informational resources.
The problem isn't AI makes us dumber. It makes it too easy to be lazy. If you actively try to retain the information that you are gaining and putting into practice from AI and not just letting it do everything for you. Then it's no different than any other resource. Be it a shit you made on the wall or some shitty ass Reddit thread from 9 years ago. That has one dude with that answer.
Informational resources are only as valuable as your ability to have access to them and your willingness to retain the information so you don't have to keep going back to your informational resources.
What AI does make you worse a is learning how to quickly and efficiently reference material. You become beholden to the AI to provide you information. Which is slow tedious and needs to be double checked half the time.
Honestly, the worst part of AI is the fact that it's removing and delaying access to informational resources. It's actually the same reason I personally hate discord. It's unsearchable it absorbs information and hides it away and makes everything tedious and less useful.
AI is functionally just a walled garden of information. Instead of letting information be freely shared, you are putting public knowledge behind a paywall.
But stupid people never once attempted to retain information from a book chart or anything else. Anyways. So functionally they are as stupid now with AI as they were before without AI.
I mean, I used an LLM to generate the ampacty chart when I couldn't find one I liked with web searches, and then just cleaned it up in a spreadsheet for asthetics, before printing it out. 😅
At first I tried using one of the image generation functions but I noticed that it was making up imaginary values AFTER if printed it. And therein lies my core criticism of relying on LLM's, that they will lie to me with impunity and with absolute confidence every fourth answer they give.
You and I agree that readily being able to drill down to information is the superpower that we have to leverage in our human world, and that pattern recognition as well as memorization are key tools on that path.
I also feel that delay you're talking about, injecting latency into my day, as I type out the same question for the eighth time on the sixth day, and realizing this is something that could just be on my wall and that I should probably try to flashcard.
I have definitely seen smart people get dumb with AI though, because it coopts and changes behaviors on some weird and fundamental level. Not just dumb people like me. 😅
Seriously. I've used it a couple times at work (in education) solely because i needed to fit a rubric in our LMS and the fucking UI to do it means I would've spent an hour, whereas the API just filled shit in as placeholders and editing was faster than creating.
Otherwise, I do my work by hand. I even set up excel sheets to do stuff for me like flag grade patterns or grade exams with a typed-in key. It's almost fun, but I work with so many people who insist that "claude can do it" but then can't have a followup conversation about what we supposedly discussed via email.
Only profits and power matters to these people. They will happily destroy peoples lives. Sam Altman is an obvious psychopath. Zuckerberg is less open with his real thoughts after he said "dumb fucks", but equally ruthless. Musk lacks empathy and is autistic and doesn't understand human emotions. Trump is a narcissist.
These are the people who drives Ai.
stall critical thinking skills and knowledge
That's the point. They want people dumb so they can sell "intelligence" to people.
Oh its a utility?
... so it should be publically owned and operated?
He didn't even say 'like' or 'akin to' a utility.
He said 'is a utility'.
... So then democracratize it.
And yeah, if WiFi is like that too, then yeah, lets have the public manage that as well.
... I wonder if ChatGPT can draw Altman looking at a broken clock being right twice a day.
WiFi is not a utility. Perhaps cellular service and fiber to the home should be, though.
WiFi is just the radio that gets you from your device to your router. It’s not the internet. Yes it’s an important distinction. Words have meanings. No, YOU’RE not being pedantic enough! 😤
Fucking thank you. Smh, can't believe people don't know the difference between WiFi and internet on a fucking tech forum.
Well, there are municipal WiFi deployments for some smaller towns and cities that I'd call a utility, but I am not convinced that is what the previous comment is referring to.
Wtf is a municipal WiFi department? What do they provide, internet access? Or routers?
Internet access to all of the residents in the town. It's one of those beach towns that is long and skinny (follows the coast) so they were able to set up wide range APs that let residents use the internet with their credentials.
Interesting. My city has public WiFi in certain places, but I've never used it before so I have no idea how it works.
The "public WiFi" used by a lot of cities is just standard commercial/enterprise APs, so it may not be the same thing anyway. Arguably, that makes a lot more sense to use in most cities than the more exotic wide area deployments. It is still cool that it exists.
Weellll, unless you live out in the sticks on an island and all there is is long throw 2.4GHz wifi as your internet connection, at least when the weather cooperates and the rinkydink ISP has staff actually on the job. Then wifi is also a utility level service.
Like satellite internet for some. Hmm I know another equally misanthropic smug techbro who wants to privatize an entire utility sector… Had to set up a SStarlink system for someone recently. Had to make very sure the homeowners understand why we bridged the SStarlink router.
Or maybe the infrastructure in your building in or fairly near a city just sucks, and you use a 5G base station for internet.
This kind of thing is... extremely common in areas that broadly have unsubstantial net infrastructure, or just poorer areas of developed cities.
I... I know the technical difference.
Apologies for using shorthand that you immediately interpreted correctly.
Shorthand that... you know, was used in the article.
Paraphrasing Sam Altman.
Because most readers of tech news can contextually figure out what is meant by that.
Please Sam, do the world a favor and step in front of a bus.
Call me paranoid but comments like this really have me worried about forced transhumanism
The real threats are much less sci-fi and more good old fashioned resource theft and exploitative slavery.
Exploitative slavery via technological means is a possibility with supportive evidence. It isn't the 1800s anymore - this is shadowrun.
ever since feudalism fell, dipshits all over the world have had one thing in mind: bring it back. now they're almost there. and the peasants are all too ready to give it back.
There's a name for that already: technofeudalism.
Dude outside of the technology difference. We are at a point most surfs in feudalistic societies had less problems to deal with then we do.
Like when you start accounting for betterment in medicine and farming alone. The avg joe would likely have a less stressful life under feudalism. Most people just want to be left alone, work an honest job, and have time to raise a family or at least spend time with them.
The problem is not that they're trying to turn us back into a feudalistic society. They're trying to turn us into a corpitocracy or an oligarchy. While, a feudalistic society can have a lot of the same similarities as an oligarchy or corporatocracy. They tend to be far more for the people and fair.
Feudalism would unironically be an absolute ideal outcome if we had to choose between the three.
Is at least in a feudalistic society. The farmers would own the their own land and there's not much the big corporations would be able to do about that. It would actually elevate a lot of farmers in large landowners onto the same playing field as the big businesses that have a lot of money but not a lot of land.
If anything it would put them at a disadvantage cuz now they would have to fight an uphill battle to gain more land that they need to expand for these data centers.
Ideally we don't go to any of them lol
Serfs WORK the land lords OWN it. If you make $100 a month working the land the lord takes $80 as rent.
Better not have a bad weather year and only earn $50 a month as you will be kicked off the land and replaced with another farmer that can produce $100 or more.
Is at least in a feudalistic society. The farmers would own the their own land and there’s not much the big corporations would be able to do about that.
Sadly, in the feudal age peasants and serfs did not own the land. They worked the land and paid rent to their lord, who actually owned it.
The land is the "means of production", and the landlords exist solely to extract value from it.
In the modern era, the digital ecosystem is a new means of production. We are the digital tenants, and they are the digital landlords. Nothing has changed, although for a brief period of time in the 90's and early 2000's the wall street capitalists didn't think the internet was anything more than a fad and things were good, but e-commerce was just too lucrative for them to ignore forever.
LLMs are not intelligent lol
I feel like I spend months trying to find the right phrase the people will understand when I mention llms, since I refuse to call these things artificial intelligence.
My favorite thus far, are "spicy autocorrect" and "next words calculator." The fact that it has all of the compendium of human knowledge on physics or last millennium economics, means it is an excellent research assistant and engineering consultant, as long as I can keep in mind that it's going to lie to me with impunity and with utmost confidence every fourth question I ask.
That's the problem, a public archive with all it's training data that you can query would be infinitely more valuable.
I mean, mostly yes, but also I did benefit from an LLM arguing with me and telling me to not be so cavalier with 15kwh of batteries. It was helpful to have some safety guard rails. It was useful for giving more expansive considerations and playing devil's advocate against my designs.
I only shocked myself twice, from the solar panels. 😅
I think of it like asking a question on reddit and only reading the first reply.
You never know if the person replying is an expert or someone at the first peak of a dunning-kruger graph.
The Google AI overview is so often wrong when I ask it basic questions like who is in a TV show or movie, it's unfucking believable. I'm very anti-Ai. It only creates bad, not good
Not to mention that a lot of kids are functionally illiterate because they just ask ChatGPT basic shit and it just spurts out bullshit to them.
It has actually only created a single good. Better language translators. Every major translator has been "ai" based since about 2016. The recent speed up of llms have massively improved their accurate ability to retain context and pick up on slang and colloquialisms.
Its seriously night and day how fucking good translators got entirely thanks to ai.
But that's literally the only thing I've seen come out of llms that was worth two fucking shits.
Oh okay, now I get why they made it so easy for student to let Ai do their work; they want the generation to rely on them
First hit's free, man
So basically a world in which the only ideas that exist are approved by AI companies? I know evocations of 1984 have been a cliche for ages but
I'll sell Sam Altman an ounce of dignity, only a small 1 billion dollar fee.
Another desperate attempt to monetize. AI bubble-burst, here we come!
I cant believe it hasnt burst yet, so artificially held together by hopes, dreams, and unhealthy amounts of soulless cash...
Imagine a world with no libraries, no internet search, no wiki.... They turn it all off after gobbling it all up, just to sell it back, because they end up with all information, for sale.
Wiki's and Libraries have never been profitable and always existed just outside the capitalists control. Or rather, tolerated. They may get hidden from mainstream view on commercial platforms, but they can't fully kill them, only drive them underground. Even if they try that, the more people that know about them, the safer they get.
You don't have to worry about that too much, the mighty chinese industrial economy will steamroll the american scam economy before they're able to implement their plans worldwide. Now, we in western countries might end up trapped in a prison society where all information is controlled by LLM chatbots, but it won't be the fate of the whole world.
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I still have a library card.
Until they remove libraries
they can try it. my town is armed and legitimately loves its library. liberal hick towns are weird.
liberal hick towns Didn't know that was a thing. Where do you live?!
bay area california. not petaluma, but check out petaluma. that's a good example, it's where my dad grew up. when you get a good mix of rural and urban beautiful things happen. the people who don't usually mix, they mix. and those barriers come down.
Not OP but New England has many also
My proposal would be to turn Libraries into an Open Source datacenter. Wrestle back some control from these power hungry freaks.
this is part of why i donate to project gutenberg
Yeah but we need some actual Digital Library Rights baked into law so scumbag corporates can't just steal back what we license digitally.
I like listening to Ed Zitron stuff, though admittedly part of it is AI Doomer comfort food, but one of the drums he beats is that the spend is absolutely obscene, and they’re going to have to start dramatically dialing up the prices, and soon, to have any chance at all of converting to profitability.
From what I’ve seen, even people who like AI won’t pay for anywhere near as much as they’re using now while it’s free or flat rate.
Zitron's point that management are stupid is really important. They don't know what they're talking about. They don't do any work!
You laugh, but this is genuinely how the majority of managers and executives think and act, and now they have a special chatbot that can fart out functional-enough prototypes to convince a Business Idiot they can do anything, because executives and managers do not regularly do much work. As a result, they have little idea what work looks like other than when they look over your shoulder, which is why they wanted you back in the office, and their distance from production is why the same people who were anti-remote work are now aggressively trying to shove AI down your throat.
We are ruled by the worst fucking people.
They are talking about $200 pro tiers for the good models. The only way I will still be using them is on a pay per token basis for really important or time consuming stuff where I can justify the spend. Certainly not worth it just as a Google search where I don't have to sort through the results myself.
I think they are hoping they can make a bunch of businesses so dependent on them that they can't afford to leave. Which could work, but probably not enough for them to become profitable.
On the individual side, maybe they are hoping to exploit a bunch of whales but I can't see people on average be willing to pay for what it actually costs.
people pay for AI? as individuals?
In small but statistically and financially significant numbers, yes, absolutely.
The bigger paradigm shift will be moving corporate users to per-token pricing, and that’s the one that will really kill Anthropic and OpenAI (and maybe Oracle) if it doesn’t go how they need, but there are way more actual people spending money on AI than one might think… or hope.
maybe thats why they are trying to peddle it to governments , since thats a constant revenue stream and htey dont ask too much questions.
Stop buying up all the chips you worthless piece of shit.
Altman will say anything to keep the scam alive
as promise to his handler, peter thiel, thiel was on all in on Palantir AI until he likely saw where it was going recently.
Yeah chatgpt used to be leader in tech now it's nothing , no one is buying AI corporates maybe normal user no
Still think it's superior to Gemini mostly. What do you prefer?
Oh wow personally I think gemini is superior , weirdly for me codex works better than antigravity with 3.5
It's VERY aggravating to use.
"No I said DON'T include this information I've told you three times now."
"Did I ask for your speculation/discussion?"
"No, I said CITE ONLINE SOURCES, not just make them up!"
"NONE OF YOUR EXTERNAL LINKS WORK!!"
...half an hour later you realise the first answer is probably the best you're going to get, and you'll still need to fact check it before using it.
yeah. that sums it up. Spend more time and energy to ultimately have to do everything yourself anyway. Only if you truly have no fucking clue about what you are asking, you can beleive anything this evolved T9 autocorrects say.
That was my experience playing with the older neural net models back in the day. Usually the initial models and datasets are nearly the best it will get. Trying to feed it more data or trying to tweak the model only gains marginal improvements. Unless you've made a critical error in the initial work or miraculously happen upon a much better dataset then not much will change. I mean the whole premise that the machine finds the optimal solution within the limits of its capabilities. Beyond that you're, rolling the RNG until the output lands on a result you like better, but the capabilities remain the same.
That's why I suspect LLMs have peaked and these companies must be applying smoke and mirrors to keep the this iteration of AI going. There's not going to be another leap forward until scientists put out another revolutionary paper for everyone to copy. That seems to be the cadence of AI.
No offense, but when did you last use a LLM? Two years ago?
Granted they‘re talkative, but that’s it what they are, literal blah machines.
I mean fuck Altman and the rest of the tech bros, can’t wait until their bubble burst and they all crash. But the technology is going to stay, like it or not.
This has literally been my experience playing around with Gemini since I bought a Pixel 10.
Interesting. In this case not only the free tier house LLM that’s included with with opencode is smarter, also the local model I run on 16GB graphics card can beat Gemini, lol.
I've seen people do some pretty cool stuff with LLMs, but any time I've tried using one of the big name ones, I've had the exact same experience of it hallucinating or just straight up ignoring me.
Gemini Pro, however, has been so bad that I'm seriously considering dropping Android after 18 years. Fucker burnt through about a dozen of my image generation allotments because it got stuck in some kind of weird logic loop then tried gaslighting me by telling me it hadn't generated anything.
Sounds less then ideal. I honestly never used a current model of those big AI providers, except maybe a bit of ChatGPT 3.5 back in the day. My fiancé uses Claude is mostly satisfied. I played around with opencode and a local model and I‘m mostly impressed. I use it do admin my Linux gaming pc and to teach me Linux.
The local Qwen 3.6 works quite well, does good online research and actually proved me wrong when I thought it hallucinated some fact. Of course it’s no „real“ AI, but it’s useful.
I'll have to check that one out. Thanks for the rec!
The technology is here to stay but nearly all of its current uses are not. There is no way, for example, talking to an LLM at a fast food drive-through, isn't costing more than it saves. It seems that way today because of VC subsidy, but that is an economic illusion made possible by an anti-competitive oligopoly market. There are many other examples, too, but I thought that a more fun obvious one.
Honestly, you’re example could already be done today by a local model like like Qwen 3.6 27b. There’s no need to run an expensive cloud model for such a simple task.
Wouldn’t even destroy jobs, there are always people needed to fry the burger.
Now do I want to talk Rona fucking robot while ordering burger? Hell no. But it could be done economically without any problems.
I'm not sure what model they use there, but it is surprisingly poor given the limited problem space being covered. I can't imagine a local model would work better than that.
Strange. You should think that’s a pretty basic task. Like you said, limited problem space. Every current LLM that is big enough and has the necessary guardrails and instructions should be able to handle it.
Well ofcourse first step to this is to cultivate an environment where most people lose their skills or don't train them at all. So I bet each time someone uses AI for exams they have a little orgasm.
Don't get me wrong, I am open to the idea of AI tools as productivity enhancers, especially local models with open weights. But the OP puts what these tech bros want more aptly then I ever could, they want to monopolize on intelligence and skills.
Every motherfucker who went “what am I ever gonna USE this for?!” in computer classes in school are the same ones who like this magic man’s funny words and “save so much time writing emails” and say shit like “Yeah but what are we gonna do? That’s progress!”
I have lost respect for so many people.
I think that's the problem, most people think this is movie A.I. and it can do anything. In reality it's just a tool like the computer is a tool. I use A.I. all the time to help me do my work, I don't use it to do my work.
Luckily, people who don't buy intelligence from him tend to have enough already.
Great. Sabotage the collective intelligence of humanity so they can sell it back to us. Seems like either the bubble pops or we do.
Classsic "Nestle water stealing in Africa" strategy
Honestly my thoughts on how I'd actually use AI... versus OpenAI's are exactly the opposite. Honestly I could see a world where a lot of people get an on site LLM server. Plug it in etc... I could actually see that as useful, IE keep it air gapped, and then you can train it off of your e-mails, your house etc..., not trust everything to some outside company. From what I'm gathering from the chinese open source models that sounds very viable.
Of course the ultimate annoyance is, the datacenter surge is actually taking compute out of regular price ranges.
Actually annoyingly makes me think of the point in time that electricity itself was at this crossroads, where eddison wanted every house to have a DC generator, while Tesla was pushing for AC transmission to send current from centralized locations
Not gonna lie, your idea sounds cool as hell.
This man is in the top 10 of my "I hope they get Luigi'd" list
My homelab say otherwise
Exactly what i was thinking but i find this molester moron insulting for even daring to say that to our face.
That is a terrible thing to say about /u/sturmblast
That's not going to happen no matter what. Open source models are already catching up to frontier proprietary models. Altman wishes he had a monopoly over that, but he doesn't. The bubble won't last, and things like OpenRouter will become the main way people use AI. Google alone is a major reason why intelligence will never be like a utility like electricity or water or internet.
For real. It's like imagining metered electrical generation becoming the norm if solar was already cheaper and easier to install. Like if it wasn't for decades of hydro and fossil fuel being the cheaper more flexible option it never would of made sense to focus so much on metered connections in the first place (and increasingly making less sense now...).
They will have to have some enforced mechanism to "franchise the sunshine" as they old saying went to prevent a world where they (big SaaS AI) are not clearly the option of last resort.
Even big corp and government world is increasingly "sovereign AI" focused now, just like hybrid cloud almost always makes more sense at certain level of IT infrastructure maturity.
I'm interested to see what kind of hardware will produce "good enough" AI capabilities in a couple years as things are refined and tuned further. The gap between the absolutely massive commercial models and open source models keeps shifting but I don't have the same fear that I had a few years ago that it might not be possible to get good results from anything less than millions of dollars worth of hardware.
google trains thier AI/Open AI on reddit mostly
I will not be buying intelligence from that weirdo lizard. Because I am unfortunately literate.
Back in the day...
- "Google, what's playing at the cinema this evening at 9PM?". "The Amazing Spiderman". In the near future...
- "Google, what's playing at the cinema this evening at 9PM?". "That'll be $4.95.".
It feels weird thinking of the amazing Spiderman as "back in the day" when I remember the Toby McGuire Spiderman films.
This gets worse and worse as time goes on. Movies like Superbad seem like they just came out a few years ago but is actually about to be 20 years old. The Toby Maguire Spiderman is about to turn 25 years old, a quarter century!
And then it tells you what was in the cinema at the point the AI was trained.
They can search the Internet now. Would be ironic if Google's model was worse at googling than some random open weight models I've downloaded lol
He is enshittfying it before it has even taken off
Scary to think what the actually enshittified version will be like...
It could go bust first. The reason he's talking so much is because he needs the attention to hide the fact that OpenAI doesn't really have any real advantage anymore. Claude models tend to be faster and Chinese models tend to be cheaper (especially since they're open weight so there are many providers for any given model if you can't or don't want to self host. You can get latest Qwen for a tenth of the price of latest GPT on openrouter right now. Even Claude Opus is marginally cheaper than GPT.
I can't wait to lance the AI bubble like a doggone perineal abscess.
Lmao, Sam Altman wouldn't know what intelligence looked like even if it came up and punched him in the face.
Ollama
While I don't begrudge them trying to make money from their service, the deleterious effect on people's lives, careers cannot be overlooked. I think it's obvious that most AI companies are incredibly unethical so governments need to impose the ethics onto them and companies tempted to use AI. They should never be considered as powerful as a utility nor invaluable. Never.
I do begrudge them. Their service was created through mass copyright infringement
It's a billionaire. I begrudge it for its mere existence.
Honestly, it’s rather remarkable how far up his own ass Altman is. In any other context, he’d be considered an expert contortionist.
You'd have to have intelligence to sell first... you dollar store con man
There are plenty of people with solar panels and wells. The beauty of the internet and mobile compute is having the wealth of human knowledge at your fingertips. It's DIY, but easy. Just Google it (RIP Google). If the goal is centralization and control, chat with IBM. They have their place, but it was a slow crawl out of the muck they put themselves in. Someone will always come along and realize that ease and accessibility are key to the end user, and they'll kick your whole business out from under you, every time.
Unbelievably naive.
that assumes they actually believe the shit they're peddling. aint called scam altman for nothing
yeah no.
Someone else is going to giveaway free intelligence, only so they can collect our data. It has happened before.
But I don't need it, and most people also don't need it. I've never spent any money on AI and I still don't talk to any inanimate objects.
But they need our utilities, all of them. So they want to get ahead of the game and take over that side of government now.
Yeah? hows that panning out so far?
“Critics”
If you’re gonna be dumb you better be tough have a lot of tokens
No they won't.
Let's stop repeating this man's grifts.
"CEO said a thing" reporting is exhausting.
Any instance of LLMs being adduced as intelligence must be mercilessly ridiculed and mocked. No one impressed by slop should ever be permitted contribution to decisions affecting anyone not similarly cognitively impaired.
LLMs are only AI as Accelerators and Amplifiers of Ignorance and Incompetence, with vanishingly scarce examples of Insight.
This is kind of bullshit. It doesn't allow a corporate goon with an MBA to hire a virtual developer but it does amplify the work one can do. If you think it can't do anything you are pretty far off from reality.
Writing tests faster. Writing docs faster. Writing exploratory code faster even if you don't ultimately use the code. Splitting out general utility functions that are nice to have but which you wouldn't think. Refactoring.
Maybe if you are top 1% working on hard problems and mentoring it just slows you down meanwhile the bottom 50% has lots of work to do which it really does help with
I’m genuinely curious which part of your reply we should interpret as intelligence?
If anything, these are Iterations, which I’ll add to the list.
All of this is intelligence in my opinion. It may be far less intelligent than some human, but it still is (impressively, in my opinion) intelligent for a computer. Obviously, intelligence is very hard to define precisely. But LLMs can solve some nontrivial problems they have never seen before in that exact form and without existence of a clear algorithm to find a solution. And it even has some utility in many cases, as the comment describes. This is clearly intelligence. Even if it may not hold up to some promises made about them or people using it in inappropriate ways.
Btw., your original comment is very antidemocratic, as you demand to exclude groups of people from decisions, just because you don't like what they think!
The tokens burned to extrude this clearly qualify for a monstrous bulk discount.
Why would one’s exposure to raw sewage be decided democratically? I’d prefer experts with proven qualifications to be in control of such decisions, not a clown convulsing in the tank naked covered raw whip marks.
Your comments are an incoherent mess. One could actually do better with chatGPT
Democracy is supposed to ensure as good as possible that everyone's interests are considered. For example those of the people affected by sewage, which might not affect the experts you'd like to be in control. Also, after what you wrote, I don't trust you to judge who is an actual expert with good intentions to put in charge. And you likely don't trust me with this either. So we should probably have the same say. And if the experts in charge would at some point be (as they already somewhat are) the CEOs of AI companies, you would probably also like to have a say, just as everyone else.
AI usage for this comment: DeepL and the translator in DuckDuckGo for spelling and translation, e.g. of "sewage" and "convulsing" (what the heck is this last half sentence you wrote there, btw?)
No, we wont
lol no they won't. People aren't using it free.
OK, but what about the investors? They're gonna start pushing to see returns soon, you don't invest $1Trillion USD on a "maybe it'll trickle back to me in 20 years" strategy.
dare to be stupid!
Bro you can't even run a publicly traded company. Don't even say the word "utility". Fuck outta here.
One thing I like to bring up:
If current LLMs are so intelligent, can they write their own inference code?
…Or even make modest code contributions to those bases?
The answer is a resounding “no.” See: llama.cpp’s contribution policy, vllm’s PR history, janky diffusion UIs and such.
The severe bottleneck to efficient inference (much less training) of a variety of models is good code contributors, and AI is doing little to help. And, ironically, if it ever was smart enough to do that, ChatGPT the service would collapse in like a week because a ton of backlogged integration would get done, and the open source/open weights space would explode.
What a dumb person
perfect as a sockpuppet for the anti-christ thiel.
Americans will buy on a inch!
If it gets much more expensive then it already is I doubt it
I made a simple project tracker in vite in 30 minutes. It cost me ten bucks in tokens. That's with a pretty cheap model (sonnet 4-6)
Right now it just makes more sense to not use the API directly, but the subscriptions, they seem to be better priced. Also, Anthropic seems to be more expensive...
How that will look in the future, I don't know, I'm fairly sure they're progressively increasing the price, or rather reduce the amount of tokens you can use in the subscription (as they did with gpt 5.5 and claude opus 4.7). The chinese competitors are getting increasingly more interesting. It's also quite impressive how well small models like qwen 3.6 27B run already on a (not so affordable) 24+GB GPU, unfortunately still far from the quality of say gpt 5.5, but probably comparable to o4 or something like that, certainly usable.
For now. But yeah the subs are extremely cheap compared to api pricing. We'll see how long that lasts
I would like to popularize his alter ego, scam fartman. I cannot speak my level of disdain for this welfare queen.
This is fine.
It's a GOOD thing for Samuel Alterman that Intelligence ISNT something you could get WITHOUT AI! People don't know that even PLATO had AI to Help Him!
I don't understand how there's ever a business model since people can just run their own models locally.
The goal is to make personal computing hardware so expensive that the average person cannot afford to do that. 😬
That will not work long-term. When prices are high for a long time, it becomes more and more attractive for governments to start their own foundries for economic and strategic reasons. And while that is not easy, China is on its way, ASML and Zeiss actually are European companies, and no one starts at zero because there are a ton of patents which already expired or expire soon.
A fully industrialized nation which really wants to make chips can make chips. Making the best chips is pretty darn hard, but making the chips from a few years ago is doable for China and the US right now, and the EU in ten years.
On a bloc level it makes sense to have your own foundries independent of foreign influence just for military and infrastructure reasons alone.
If you wanted to run something at the quality of the best models its many many thousands of dollars.
The smaller models have their place, but have their own problems.
I do like what Apple is doing with their unified memory making things more accessible, but its not cheap, just cheaper.
I think you can run a decent sized deepseek for under 5k, and a top notch one for around 10k?
yeah what are you gonna do about it? Just do things yourself!?! I don't think so!!
No they won’t.
How well does the Sam Altman work if all of its blood is outside of its body?
he looks like hes anemic, im guessing peter thiel has been consuming all of his blood to try to stay youthful.
Isn't that already their business model though? What will this change?
his eye 1/2 his face is drooping so much, he had to of had a stroke.
"Your floor is now clean."
chatgpt can’t even hold a candle to gemini anymore
Or people who will need it will use local only, purpose specific, models to do the job... Things you don't need a datacenter fed by a $100 bills fueled power plant for.
Is this guy a clone of Bryan kohberger?? They look like they’re brothers or clones or something.
What intelligence?
is he for real?