ICE commander Greg Bovino will speak at a white nationalist conference in Portugal today
18d 19h ago by feddit.uk/u/Wudi in europe@feddit.org from feddit.uk
Could the USA please stop sending their raw sewage to other countries?
But we have SO MUCH of it! It’s all we have to offer right now.
Yes, I know and it already didn't work with your cars. So please start innovating and stop ... that.
It’s less sending and more leaking. Sorry about that, but the US is ten kg of shit in a one kg bag so some leakage should be expected.
Is this the famous 'trickle down'?
They used to call it "horse and sparrow," but realized that was too on the nose.
Apparently we're just adding to the shit pile that's already there.
No, sorry.
Portuguese people you know what to do.
we should all moo him... got it? wink wink, nudge nudge...
You should take inspiration from a certain green nintendo character is all I'm saying
Americans outsourcing to other countries again! Why should the USA be the rest of the world's problem to fix ? Can't you do it yourselves ?
Dude, I'm from Switzerland, back off.
milkshakes
"Retired" is a funny way to say disgracefully shitcanned...
no, it's retired because he wasnt fired. so he'll still be able to pull a pension and everything.
Why is a concentration camp commander type asshole allowed to set foot in Europe?
Deportbthe fucker on arrival
Europe has, unfortunately, been inviting our trash in with open arms the last few years.
I honestly wonder if american white supremacists would consider Portuguese people to be white.
Historically, even the "whiteness" of Irish was not always a thing in the US.
Historically, whiteness doesn't exist.
Biologically whiteness does not exist. Culturally, some asshole came up with it and was adopted widely.
I mean, low melanin is a thing. Having to slather on the factor 50 before even thinking about leaving the house is a thing. I used to think that was what white meant. Then I met The Americans and their really odd ideas.
Rich landowners to get poor Europeans to fight against the newly freed slaves.
Only just recently
"Recently" is a nicely intangible term that can cover some bandwidth of meaning, depending on one's intention.
The concept of whiteness is roughly 400 years old and a very important part of western cultural history after the middle ages. It exists as a cultural phenomenon that needs to be studied critically.
400 years ago, were Italians (like Bovino) considered white?
Why would that matter? The cultural concept of whiteness began in the 17th century. Definitions and categorizations have shifted but what different makes the exact time when italians were considered white and when not? Different dates would not chance the fact that whiteness is a cultural concept and an important one in modern (as in "post middle ages", not as in "right now") western history.
What are you even trying to argue, what is your point?
It matters because people that consider themselves white today were only "granted" whiteness recently (to use the term again).
To say that the concept has existed for 400 years but that somehow it doesn't matter that the definitions of the concept have changed is to lose the plot.
I agree that whiteness is a concept. However, I would say it is forced into culture, rather than being a part of it. Bovinos parent's would not have been considered white in America when they were growing up, and the fact that he considers himself to be white now is proof that it is recent, but also meaningless as a label.
There is no such thing as white culture, or food, or music, or any other thing that one would call culturally relevant to being white. With one exception, white surempisism.
I don't know why you're arguing with me then. I started this with the examples of irish people not being considered white in the US for a time. It was exavtly my point that not all pale faced europeans where considered white all the time. You then contended the historicity of that and started bullshitting around.
The concept of whiteness as it stands today is recent.
Bovino being Italian and a white nationalist is terrible irony that shows what happens when a group attempts "ethnic whitening," wherein Italians were absorbed into the white majority by embracing prevailing racial hierarchies and shedding solidarity with other marginalized groups.
For the record, I was trying to add to your comment, not argue with you about the whiteness of Irish people. Especially since again, the term is arbitrary and continually changing.
Again, recency is relative. And arguing recency on an ever changing subject is weird imho.
You could also argue that it didn't change that much, since most of the key characteristics didn't change, only who fulfills these.
For the record, I was trying to add to your comment
That did not come across.
I'll post this once more since the definitions of Whiteness change a lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States
You didn't get my point. When the legal definition changes from "people X is white" to "people Y is white", that does not necessarily chance on what characteristics the definition is based. It just means that the perception of who fulfills these characteristics changed. And historically, not being white usually was depending on a people or culture being perceived as (for example) "brutish", "uncivilised", "less intelligent" etc. These characteristics have not changed much.
The Nazis wouldn't have qualified by the standards at the time of the American Revolution in Benjamin Franklin's eyes. Nor even the Italian side of Bovino's family.
https://www.profmarkbaker.com/blog/2017/6/3/whiteness
I recently read derogatory comments a prominent political leader made about non-white immigrants swarming into our towns and cities and ruining our way of life. It was not Donald Trump, but Benjamin Franklin. And the threatening masses were not Latinos from south of the border, but immigrants from Germany—my ancestors.
“Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, etc.” – what follows is an excerpt from the 1751 original by Benjamin Franklin
[W]hy should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.
Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.
I have always been labeled as white—by myself and others. Yet not according to Ben Franklin. My ancestors are the exact people he sees as a threat to whites. They came from Germany and swarmed into Franklin’s beloved Pennsylvania. My father is a 6th generation German-American. And even after five generations in Pennsylvania they still spoke German. My grandfather did not learn English until he went to school. According to Franklin I am not white, but a swarthy German—a threat to the ways of whiteness.
It is common place to observe that most of those who complain about immigrants today are part of ethnic groups that once were slandered and scorned in similar ways. Franklin’s comments reinforce that important observation. Important, but not new for me. What was new for me was the realization that there was a time when some people would not have seen me as white.
"White" is a surprisingly mutable term over time as social norms change.
EDIT: I'd also add that you can also watch, over the course of America's history, "Protestant" morph into "Christian" and then morph into "Judeo-Christian" in political speeches and the like among people complaining about traditional American values being under threat.
Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion
Sorry what? I literally can't even. And that's not hyperbole.
Racism usually is just the outer face of xenofobia.
The concept of race is a strange thing, and it varies widely by culture.
I live in Colombia, and people here mostly consider themselves to be white. The few exceptions are people of African descent or people with strong indigenous heritage.
Obviously, Stephen Miller and his ilk don't consider Latinos to be white. If they did, ICE wouldn't have persecuted them so heavily for the past year.
Look at the very select groups this administration has welcomed into the country. Miller et al consider South Africans to be white. Do they offer the same consideration to the Portuguese?
I wish more people understood this. Race is a hateful social construct put in place by our ancestors ignorance. It's one of those things like religious violence, and oppression that has straight up held all of humanity back in the worst possible ways.
In my experience, no. Portuguese, Spanish, and Italian people are all below "white people" and above most other "non-whites" in their racial hierarchy. I think white supremacists usually give them bonus points for being European so its not as virulent a hatred as with other groups, but it's still there.
American white supremacists
No, I can tell you only 2/4 of those people in the photo would be considered "white" were I'm from.
Portuguese people HATE fascists. You don't even have to be that old in Portugal to remember living under a fascist dictator.
But I guess that doesn't stop the lunatic fringe.
Also, most Portuguese people look hispanic so I really wonder how an ICE-like force there would go...
Hi from Portugal. Chega (far right) is a major party in parliament right now (1/3) and arguably PSD (another 1/3) has gone far right lately especially on immigration. So we basically have two out of three parties who are far-right.
One of them even talked in parliament about “diluting Portuguese blood” and “keeping Portugal for the Portuguese”, right before they voted to retroactively prevent all the foreigners from being allowed to apply for nationality, and prevent most of the southeast Asians from being eligible to renew their residency.
They are also talking about trying to amend the constitution, not to put anything good in there.
So uh, you sure about that?
Hi, thanks for the info. That's uhh, concerning.
I guess the far right is on the rise everywhere, but I would have thought it would get quashed when the world saw the US go ass up. Unfortunately, it seems I was wrong.
When I was in Portugal not that long ago, everyone I talked to seemed to be fairly anti-fascist. But maybe there was some selection bias at play.
I don't know what else to tell you. It sucks watching one's country slide into fascism. It sucks watching the world slide into fascism. I wish I had better answers than that...
Yeah, it’s not great. Seems to be a trend all over the world :(
It's planned. Basically a decentralized neo axis. Thats the fun part seem to leave out regarding epstein, he discusses implementing governmental manipulation all starting at brexit.. I feel like a damn crazy person (well, more crazy) yelling about this but it seems like everyone's busy or just ignoring it
It can't be that crazy if you have some kind of proof. I had the displeasure of reading some of the files published by the American government, which seem to corroborate what you are saying.
The messages I'm referencing were released via his estate by subpoena, by the house oversight committee. They are instant messages via whatever osx has by default (iChat?). Its really insane to me no one has pointed it out elsewhere. Anyway if you want to go through them they can be grabbed here. They are all in .txt format.
He also had multiple books in his digital files, a lot of them relating to AGI, among other things.
Hey! Another input from a Portuguese (without any meaningful information, just my vibes and feelings): Regarding your selection bias, up until recently I think a lot of people were ashamed of being fascist (I only met one teacher that said “… but our past dictator made Portugal rich!!!”), so most people would pretend to align with anti fascism. Nowadays it has been normalized and people yell bs without hesitating :(
I believe that we will have a fascist revolution before de-fascistizing the country. I just hope I can retire and live peacefully in a non-fascist Portugal :(
(Sorry if my comment is confusing, I just woke up and this post made me sad :( I felt the need to comment)
Thanks for your input. I always appreciate a local's perspective.
That makes sense I think. It's a lot like what happened in the US. The fascists were always there, but whether they were ashamed or not they knew better than to be out in the open with it. Now, they feel like they have permission, and its been masks-off.
I hope everyone gets to retire and live peacefully in a non-fascist world. I don't know how many generations it will be before that's possible though. I used to believe that good will always prevail, but now I'm under no such pretenses. The universe has no moral bias, unfortunately...
These things take time. Unfortunately, life still isn't bad enough for the average American, so shit can still go on like this without any revolts. And as long as that's not happening, this shit can still happen to many countries before people learn again.
I feel like their racism is selective enough to consider Portuguese-looking Portuguese in Portugal as "okay" and Portuguese-looking Mexicans with the same exact skin colour in the US as not okay, does that make sense?
I don't know, all three Portuguese guys in that picture are white-passing.
Which, if it's any surprise, is more common among the upper-class in Portugal. Shocker, I know...
I'm Portuguese. I wish that were true, but unfortunately it isn't. Currently at least 1/3 of Portuguese people love fascism. Ventura, leader of the far-right Chega party, has even stated that Portugal needs not one but three Salazars without losing popularity for it. Currently, they are the second most voted party, having surpassed the PS (center-left) in the last elections. And the ruling party, PSD, supposedly center-right, has been adopting increasingly extreme measures in an attempt to compete with its newest rival.
P.S.: By the way, looking hispanic isn't very relevant here. The concept of "white" in Europe is different from that used in North America. Fascists here generally prefer to use the name of the largest ethnic group in the country they are in instead of "white" as the superior group. "White" here is even used in certain more radical circles to refer to a mixed person of different European "races" who cannot trace their ancestry to a single "pure" nationality. Basically, many "white" Americans could be seen as "mutts" by some of these lunatics.
What happened to all the fascists after the dictatorship? Did they magically disappear?
Apparently they crawled into their holes and hid until they felt like it was safe to come out
Portuguese people do not look hispanic, they can be swarthy, like all mediteranian peoples in southern europe. They are not all that swarthy either in comparison. Maybe they had some hispanics emmigrate, it's a minority.
Fuck you you racist piece of shit.
Recognizing facts about countries including demographics is not Racist, you cynical fucking piece of shit
Demographics? Did I miss your population and birth-rate calculations in the comment I replied to? You were talking about Portuguese people not being Hispanic. Did you notice Spain is in that word? The word Hispanic means spanish-speaking people. "Swarthiness" or any physical appearance has nothing to do with being Hispanic. Spain and Portugal are neighbours if you didn't know and there is no Chinese wall between the two countries. So yes, you saying Portuguese people have certain physical attributes is by definition racist. So yes, fuck you you racist piece of shit. And apparently you're also stupid, since I had to explain this shit to yoi. And you probably still don't get it you idiot.
I'm not reading this drivel, you know God damn well Hispanic is also used In reference to brazil, And you know God damn well The Portuguese are European.
This is too fucking stupid to argue and your comment is too fucking stupid to read fuck off please thank you.
You telling me to I can't read after saying you won't read my medium length racism for dummies explanation is hilarious, like seriously, are you a 12 year old Tik Tok addict or something?
You can't be a chatbot of course, Grok might be as racist, but it might be smart enough to at least have an argument.
Read the Wikipedia link Jesus christ.
I don't care about your wikipedia link, can you read? I told you I'm talking about what I'm responding to. I'm not reading your other bullshit. I tried making arguments, you told me you won't read it, you're pathetic, give up trying to look like you're the one being reasonable.
Uhh, what? You are arguing that the portuguese are hispanic, and I''m racist for calling bullshit. GTFO.
Somebody's never been to Portugal...
I looked it up too, after the fact, and I'm right. I don't know where you got that from, it's incorrect.
I don't know where you got that from, it's incorrect.
Oh I don't know I've only been to Portugal and talked to Portuguese people. They don't all look hispanic, and I never said they did, but there certainly are many Portuguese people who look hispanic.
But you "looked it up," so you know better I guess...
I'm sure they have a sizable number of immigrants from Hispanic countries. How would that even work? Where you think the Portuguese are Hispanic? Like, I wouldn't even know where to start on that. Seriously bro.
Edit: here is Wikipedia with the statistics, 35% of their immigrant population is hispanic, and it is sizable, not the largest.
The word Hispanic doesn't appear in that article.
Maybe you think Brazilians are Hispanic? They are not, as they speak Portuguese not Spanish. (Brazilians are Latino though).
You're just moving the fucking goal post because you are wrong, and you were raised not to admit when you were wrong. Apparently.
I just jumped in to correct your misunderstanding of the word Hispanic.
Neither Portuguese nor Brazilians are Spanish.
Get the fuck out of here, the Portuguese are not now nor have they ever been hispanic, they are European. Now, piss off.
I'm just wondering where you get this statistic from
35% of their immigrant population is hispanic
You seem to think Brazil is a Hispanic nation.
I posted the Wikipedia link.
Which had 0% Hispanic immigrants.
Wikipedia? How dare you sir, alleging Wikipedia has no Hispanics. You racist./s
Pure projection from someone who can't admit that he's wrong.
Are you a closet right-winger, by chance?
Oh, well see, when I'm in Portugal and I meet people who speak perfect Portuguese and understand the culture perfectly and have lived there for years and integrated perfectly, I tend to think they're Portuguese.
If you disagree, then you might have more in common with Chega than you realize...
Oh rather, so your point here is that Portuguese are hispanic? Please let me know what is your fucking point here? Because get the fuck out of here you're wrong and fuck you with all due respect.
That's not what I said at all. And you're severely overreacting to the situation.
You didn't have to respond if you didn't want to, so how about you "get the fuck out of here"?
You're the one who's wrong anyway. You've never even been to Portugal and you're trying to tell me Portuguese people all look white?
Fuck you. On behalf of all non-white Portuguese people, fuck you.
By default, Portuguese people are white, fuck you.
Why are you so obsessed with adding bioessentialism and racist takes to this? You think someone who isn't white can't be Portuguese? You sound like a fascist.
Get the fuck out of here. Seriously giddy up.
You can leave any time you want
I do not even know what you are talking about, Bur the portuguese are white..
You've literally never been to Portugal.
Also, stop being racist.
You lost all credibility.
Projection, much?
First European Remigration Summit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Bovino
Bovino was born to an Italian American family; his great-grandparents emigrated from Calabria to Pennsylvania in 1909, becoming naturalized citizens in 1927.[3] He has also claimed Cherokee ancestry, but is not a member of any Cherokee tribe.
white nationalist conference in Portugal
The world is a complicated place.
or some people are just idiots
The same type of Portuguese that got their asses handed to them in Angola and Mozambique. The racist shitbag, Bovino, should have been denied entry into the EU or arrested and handed over to the ICC.
to say what "We made our country a shithole, and with our help, you can too!"?
What the fuck is going on? So that photo is for real? Am I dying? What's wrong with his fucking legs? That's not what legs do. Why does that guy have clown shoes? WHY?!
It's always sunny vibes, the pedophile uncle of charlie obsessed with his small hands, wearing fake large hands.
Bovino is only 5 foot tall so he's likely self conscious about his, er, sizes, and got some oversized clown shoes like whatshis face, the woke guy, Desantis. He did something similar with his boots to look bigger.
Pathetic.
These people are like if Tim and Eric photo manips come to life. It's surreal. I feel like i'm stroking out every time look a politics feed.
I don't see Niko Loscage in that photo!
Like a size 23 shoe lol
I don't think he could fill out 23 centimeter long shoes.
hes wearing lifts bc hes insecure
thats what happens when you skip leg day at thw gym and never go outside
Just standing on his toes I guess? God forbid pepople actually notice his true length (or lack of it)
The stupid smile, the stupid fing thumbs up, and the stupid attempt at wearing nice clothes.
F these people they’re the biggest losers possible.
Yes the clothing, wtf. This is like some weird modern attempt at Miami Vice or something.
Miami Bad Advice
Miami Ice
Why isn’t that fascist piece of shit banned from entry in the Schengen area??
Because unfortunately we are also full of them on this side of the Atlantic. Chega is already the second most voted party in Portugal and supports the Reconquista group, whose leader, Afonso Gonçalves, is the guy on the right in the image above.
This time the disease appears to be spreading from the new world to the old one. There are many pro-Trump Luso-American businessmen investing in Chega.
P.S.: We'll see what the reaction of these idiots will be the day that the dementia reminds Trump that he would like to turn the Azores into an Eastern Hawaii. After the Greenland controversy, it doesn't seem like such an impossible scenario.
Because fascism is right at home in Europe?
Imagine being so uncritical that you see something like,
You [ICE] have the world watching and supporting your efforts
and just accepting it as truth.
If it was someone else posting that image I'd call it a timing of the photo. For him to post it (if real) is crazy.
ICE commander Greg Bovino will speak at a white nationalist conference in Portugal today
The right is slowly re-adding Hispanics to the list of “white” people.
Not really though, but they lean into that lie when it is convenient for them.
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Bovino is only 5 foot tall, so he rounded up three other of the shortest dudes he could find for this picture, how vain.
Those boots.. dude is on tiptoes, still looks tiny.
Dude just hanging out in his skinny jeans amd lift-boots.
So they're opening up to lesbians. That's a step in the right direction.
Does his name mean “cow”?
And the people who show up should be noted because they represent the fascist and neo- nazi part of Europe.
You mean Portugal right?
Is this the beginning of a gay porn? Kinda seems that way. But might wanna watch out with those shoe lengths, bovvie, your gonna be a sheep taking it from a moose.
Of course Martin Sellner was is standing right next to him. He shouldn’t be allowed in Portugal as well.
Yep, fucking white supremacists. Just watch these fucking disgusting videos these pieces of shit post on their dumbass zitter. Remigration is a dog whistle for whiteness. They aren't showing videos trying to bring the type of person they want to Europe, they are posting videos of what they see as a problem that needs to be solved which is literally people with brown skin just hanging out in a public space.... Like what the actual fuck? As soon as he's out of the public eye he's free to make a shitload of money on fucking Nazis. There isn't a trump supporter in my life I would give a red cent to at this point without a fucking apology for the last goddamn decade.
Such fucking weirdos, smh just let people live their goddamn lives. If you don't want to marry a person of another skin tone that's your prerogative you baby back bitch
That fascist Yankee has a dick thumb.
Just a reminder that Bovino's parents live in Blowing Rock, NC and he spends a lot of time there. Do with that what you will.
Leader of the national socialist lollipop guild ass clown
If we know when and where he's going to be, which a bunch of other assholes...
I would describe Gregory Bovino as the intersection between Fascism and a washed-up, coked-out retired, old Abercrombie & Fitch model.
What's the guy on the left got in his pockets? Basketballs?
Looks like old napoleonic trouser stuffing
Dear Iran…
lol makes sense for that wannabe Nazi commander. He even has custom made coat so he could look more like one. He has the same mental maturity of your average proud boyz.
How did he find that many people as short as himself?
Oh great
You can see the 13 year old boy hiding behind his eyes
Lindsey Graham enters the chat
Here is an article about it that I found for further information: https://www.politico.eu/article/afd-vox-mingle-with-ex-us-border-patrol-chief-white-nationalist-leader-at-remigration-summit/
I don't love linking Politico, but it's the only English source I can find. Does anyone have a better one?
Edit: these other sources I just found are definitely heavily editorializing, but not in ways I disagree with LOL. They're more focused on Bovino specifically vs. the broader conference, so they don't replace the info in the Politico article, but I am also sharing:
https://www.rawstory.com/greg-bovino-2676978111/https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-ousted-border-goon-greg-bovino-launches-maga-revolt-from-far-right-remigration-summit/