Israeli Settler Council Issues Unprecedented Admission of Ritualistic Child Sexual Abuse After Broadcaster Exposes Cover-Up
17d 5h ago by lemmy.world/u/EatingOnions in world from www.ibtimes.co.uk
Raping Children is TERRIBLE! Wait ISRAEL is doing it? Your ANTI SEMETIC if you HATE Raping Children!
-The BBC!
Far more than the BBC, including many here on lemmy. Fucking swine (them, not you).
yeah i wonder what german law has to say about this
We're talking about you @PugJesus@lemmy.world
Also I think it's hilarious I had to look up how to tag people on Lemmy and the post I come across is two years ago and they're asking how to tag users and mention Pug as an example.
EDIT: 13 downvotes doesn't seem suspicious at all. /s
He calls what Israel is doing a genocide, so I'm not sure he fits in that category.
He banned me from his community for calling out Democratic politicians for supporting Israel's genocide soooo 🤷♂️
Gonna need a link to which comment caused the ban for me to make a proper judgement.
He removed it of course.
https://lemmy.world/post/47534274/24011623
My comment was something like "If Democratic politicians could be pressured they wouldn't continue to support Israel's genocide."
I can still see your comment. And if he did ban you, you can link to the modlogs, though I'm not sure exactly how to find it.
Edit: Saw the modlogs, so he did ban you, but of course no mention of which comment caused that. My assumption is he could simply be Blue MAGA, but not necessarily Zionist.
Blue MAGA, but not necessarily Zionist.
They're the same thing.
Neither, I'm just aware that Dems are the only one of the two parties which have moved away from supporting Israel as of late in response to Dem voters, for the first time in my fucking lifetime, moving away from unconditional support of Israel, and have no patience for "Buh-buh-buh-bothsides" bullshit. I checked the user's comment history before banning for context, which confirmed them as a "Electoralism doesn't matter!" useful idiot for fascist genocidaires.
But hey, at least they can 'virtue' signal about how great it is to enable the murder of as many minorities as possible.
Neither, I’m just aware that Dems are the only one of the two parties which have moved away from supporting Israel as of late in response to Dem voters, for the first time in my fucking lifetime
They didn't listen to voters years ago. Biden told them all to go fuck themselves and you were defending him even then.
getting banned by zionist trash is an award
Are you still salty that calling for genocide isn't allowed in HistoryMemes?
I gave you numerous fucking opportunities to back off from the lunatic position of "Genocide advocacy is Okay, Actually; if it's against Bad Ethnicity", and you still insisted on it.
Sorry that you think being against genocide makes me a Zionist?
getting banned by zionist trash is an award
Then enjoy your award for supporting genocide.
What's the context with Pug?
He's a mod who really doesn't like it when people talk about Democratic politicians who support Israel's genocide. Also when you talk about him your comment will get a lot more attention than what you'd expect from organic traffic. I have my suspicions he's got funding.
Have you considered he may be a relatively well-known figure in this space, thus generating additional interest that a less-prolific user may not? Due to the rarity of tagging a user in the first place you bring further attention when tagging anyone in any comment regardless of their popularity.
When that tag involves accusations of pedophile apologia or Zionist-washing without providing evidence it will receive negative attention regardless of the user's popularity.
Your suspicions regarding paid engagement ignores the rational explanation that he is simply a recognizable name. Those suspicions are further undercut by tagging him and accusing him of reprehensible behavior. You personally have increased engagement with your actions.
Please, by all means, provide us with evidence that Pug abuses his banhammer. Mod logs aren't hidden. If his actions are scummy or inappropriate for his position then prove it. Regardless of his popularity you would be doing a favor for the entire fediverse in doing so.
🤷♂️ He deleted the comment he banned me for. Not sure what you want me to do about it.
Ask him to bring the comment back so you can judge for yourself: https://lemmy.world/post/47534274/24011623
My comment was something like "If Democratic politicians could be pressured they wouldn't continue to support Israel's genocide."
Please, by all means, provide us with evidence that Pug abuses his banhammer. Mod logs aren’t hidden. If his actions are scummy or inappropriate for his position then prove it. Regardless of his popularity you would be doing a favor for the entire fediverse in doing so.
I openly admit to being irritable, impatient, and not really suited for modding duties. At the same time, my bans are overwhelmingly for issues of ideology, not tone, and I generally try to find context for the user's statements before heading in with a ban. If someone calls me a fuckwit, that's whatever.
If someone is playing "Bothsides" games when that bullshit is the reason why I'm living in an increasingly fascist state circling the drain, with over a million projected to die from the end of USAID, the unconditional support of Israel's lunatic genocide in Palestine and imperialism in both Syria and Lebanon, my own increasing inability to find insurance after recent changes in Federal medical policy and state assistance for a chronic disease that will kill me if left untreated (not to mention my mental health issues, which also may kill me untreated), the fact that I've had fucking family members who've been in the country for almost two decades with no trouble ending up being deported under this administration, that we have people being openly murdered in the streets by unaccountable fascist paramilitaries for the crime of protesting, and every attempt made to enable and assist Russia's imperialist and genocidal project in Ukraine...
... well, they can enjoy their ban.
Maybe if you went after dipshits who vote for people like Biden, Cuomo and Clinton in Democratic primaries you wouldn't have to hear about what pieces of shit Democratic politicians are. 🤷♂️
At the end of the day all you're doing is defending genocide supporters.
Maybe if you went after dipshits who vote for people like Biden, Cuomo and Clinton in Democratic primaries you wouldn’t have to hear about what pieces of shit Democratic politicians are. 🤷♂️
Cute considering that I opposed all three. But that doesn't match your narrative, so of course, you do the only thing your tiny fascist mind can think of, and make shit up. :)
You "opposed" them by voting for them. 🤷♂️
The only one of those three I ever voted for was Biden, in 2020, in the general election, because I'm not a dipshit fascist. I voted Bernie in the 2020 primary.
Who'd you vote for in the 2016 general?
Made a protest vote. Not proud of it, honestly, but I thought Hillary was going to win handily, and I could afford to voice displeasure with her fuckwit candidacy, especially after the coronal tone that was pushed by the DNC during the 2016 primary.
I lived in a safe state at the time and it went Dem anyway, but I still have flashbacks to that morning, watching the results come in.
And in 2024 general?
Harris, because I had the terrible curse of prophecy, and predicted a good 50% of the bullshit we're currently living through should Trump win.
Lol so like I said, you "opposed" them by voting for them.
Lol so like I said, you “opposed” them by voting for them.
This you, buddy?
Maybe if you went after dipshits who vote for people like Biden, Cuomo and Clinton in Democratic primaries you wouldn’t have to hear about what pieces of shit Democratic politicians are. 🤷♂️
Or did you forget what a primary was?
Oh, who am I kidding? Fascists don't believe words have meanings.
You're the one who claims you "opposed" them by voting for them in the general election. You're the one using words incorrectly. Not only that, in another comment you're bewildered why it's taken so long for Democratic politicians support of Israel to weaken. You vote for them in the general election and you work to suppress people calling them out for supporting genocide. 🤷♂️ You are literally the problem.
I do go after dipshits who vote for Cuomo, Biden and Clinton in the primaries. Who do you think responds to the very comment you banned me for?
You’re the one who claims you “opposed” them by voting for them in the general election.
Feel free to quote me, unless you're making shit up because you don't actually have an argument. :)
Not only that, in another comment you’re bewildered why it’s taken so long for Democratic politicians support of Israel to weaken.
Your literacy is remarkably low. I expressed exhausted enthusiasm that Dem voters finally began to change their opinion on Israel in polling, despite there being multiple escalations of the genocide in the past decade-and-a-half alone that didn't move the fucking needle.
You vote for them in the general election and you work to suppress people calling them out for supporting genocide. 🤷♂️ You are literally the problem.
lmao
Sorry that you think licking Trump's boots is a preferable alternative to voting for a dreaded shitlib, who literally won the majority of the less conservative third of this fucking country in their primaries in 2016 and 2020.
I'm sure the Palestinians in the West Bank and Jordanians and Syrians being annexed by Israeli genocidaires are thrilled by your 'principled' stance.
He’s a mod who really doesn’t like it when people talk about Democratic politicians who support Israel’s genocide.
lmao.
Also when you talk about him your comment will get a lot more attention than what you’d expect from organic traffic. I have my suspicions he’s got funding.
You caught me.
You caught me.
I know I did. 🤷♂️
No way PugJesus hasn’t some sort of financial support behind. No one can post the amount of shitty posts like him without an ulterior motive.
Sorry I’m not that stupid, your strategy is ridiculous like your fake persona. Bad dog 💦🔫
Ooh are there details?
Well, this is the country which had demonstrations defending their right to rape those of "vermin" etnicities and have even celebrated some such rapists in national television.
Israeli spy services were also deeply involved with Epstein.
Looks a lot like Israel is a country with a broad culture of rape.
There is literally no possible bottom to the pit of evil these Zionist revel in to achieve their Jewish state.
You ain't wrong, but this is shit done within the settler communities to other Jews, not the Palestinians.
But everyone is involved not just settlers
She said she had received testimonies from several women who alleged that 'doctors, educators, police officers, and past and present members of the Knesset' were involved in the abuse.
The common thread seems to be that the instigators are from the same Haredi faction. The perpetrators are from a broader range of groups (if the allegations are true).
I mean, if police and government is involved we can safely assume it's country wide issue, not just some isolated incident in fringe group of people
Unfortunately, unsurprising. Zionists are filth. I will point out what should be obvious: That there are many Jews who don't support them in any way, shape, or form. But zionists? You can't get a lower form of scum.
considering they were the mastermind behind epstein islands/trafficking, its not really surprising they have it in thier own borders, or nearby ME countries.
Wtf are you on about?
Jeffery Epstein was a Mossad Agent. 'The Finders' cult active during (at least) the 1970s-1990s in the US were a Mossad and CIA group that specialized in trafficking children for various purposes zionists have now admitted to enjoying.
This is public non-controversial information. Zionism is genocide, zionism is pedophilia. If you are a zionist you think brown people need to die for you to live, and you like to fuck kids.
You know what? You're absolutely correct. This is all public, non controversial information. Which is I will share this link so people here can actually read about this movement and see for themselves that you're conspiracy theory nut that's full of shit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Finders_(movement)#1987_child_abuse_investigation
First of all, there's literally zero mentions, connections, or even allegations that this weird movement had anything to do with Mossad, Israel, or Zionism. That's literally you making stuff up.
Second of all, based on the article linked above, there's also zero mentions of CIA involvement anywhere. The closest thing you'll get to that is the cult founder's wife and son used to work for the CIA. His son cut contact with him in 1985 when he started a home inspection business. There's nothing in the article that mentions anything about this movement actually being run by the CIA. Again, the closest thing you'll get to that is this:
The 1987 investigation received wider attention in 1993, when Henry T. "Skip" Clements, an officer in private-sector consulting and a resident of Stuart, Florida, obtained a copy of a report which stated that the Washington, D.C. police investigation into the Finders had been dropped as a "CIA internal matter." Clements alleged that the Central Intelligence Agency had compelled the Customs Service to cease their 1987 investigation because the commune was used as a front to train agents. Clements' allegations drew the interest of two U.S. representatives, Tom Lewis and Charlie Rose, leading to a Department of Justice investigation.[9][12] The CIA denied any involvement,[6] and CIA spokesman David Christian asserted that the 1993 accusations were a misunderstanding stemming from a CIA training contractor, Future Enterprises Inc. where one Finders member worked as a part-time accountant
Which doesn't prove anything because the founder and his family lived in DC, and that's where he formed his weird little cult, and as it so happens, government agencies like the CIA are big employers in that city. You're making it sound as if this was a CIA run predecessor to Epstein island, which its not.
Finally, when you actually look at the alleged activities of this group, they were never even accused, let alone indicted on child trafficking. The only criminal activity this group has mentioned in the article is two members being arrested for misdemeanor child abuse, which in this case was not sexual abuse, but neglect. The Florida's state police as well federal authorities investigated the situation but couldn't find any evidence for criminal activity so the charge were charged and the two men were released.
Most of the allegations about them being CIA run operation or them being a satanic cult or being an international pedo ring or whatever all comes from the media, which as the sources in the article imply were done to capitalize on the Satanic Panic that was happening in the 80s.
Now, here's the thing. If you're critical of this group, that's fine. If you're critical of the law enforcement investigations done on this group, that's also fine. If you're skeptical of the CIA, go right ahead. However, what's not fine is when you literally make up shit and try to pass it on as fact. Your claims have no evidence, no sources, no substance, nothing. What I posted here is public information, and it contradicts what you said. Meaning that you're either really ignorant or you're a conspiracy theory nut who's spreading misinformation. Either way, it's unacceptable and you need to do better.
All I read there is a "we investigated ourselves and saw no wrongdoing" kind of deal, with the extra steps of collusion between government organizations and judges in their pockets.
If you want to criticize tge investigations, that's perfectly fine. I'm merely pointing out how the person I'm replying to is simply lying and making things up despite them insisting that their claims are public knowledge.
Honestly the left needs more conspiracy, the right has too long controlled that demographic.
Ain't that right? At least leftist conspiracies could be more creative and entertaining than something as silly as "child molesting pizza parties in a pizza joint basement."
I mean they were kind of right about the pizza thing I guess, it's all over the files. It's just not like an actual pizza place...
Well, you can't be considered creative if all you do is accuse others of something you are actually doing. One thing is taking inspiration from reality, another is just to take reality as it is an alter what may point towards you.
I can't agree with that. The world needs less conspiracy theories out there. We have way too many floating around.
Nice try. There are connections with the CIA even if they aren't a smoking gun. They protected them and sent agents to train with them as well.
https://apnews.com/article/4c5cd8141e930159ea3e4f0492a41ade
Furthermore there is a long history of letting child molesters flee to Isreal and using child rape as blackmail. This includes Epstein.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/
You can pretend all you want, but all I see is a defender of pedophiles using doubt to sow discord. We know they are molesting children. We know POTUS is in on it. We know Israel used Mossad and the US used the CIA to supply children to wealthy people as rewards and blackmail.
That's a lot of words for "I'm a pedophile and I want to fuck kids" but you do you I guess.
This is the level of intelligence, or rather, the lack thereof, that I expect from conspiracy theroy whackos
So it's not a conspiracy theory, you're just unable google things.
Because you're a pedophile. And you desperately want the pedophiles in charge to not ever be held accountable.
"Oh there's totally not a coordinated global human trafficking ring funded by literally all of the world's wealthiest people and protected by literally the most advanced and expensive militaries on the planet... it was just one guy that suspiciously won the lottery three times during his lifetime and was just pictured with every single rich and powerful person over 40 years."
You pedos make me sick.
Ah yes, the grand googler has hit me with a rando substack article that's filled with ads (placed by the authors btw) trying to fearmonger people into buying gold from them. Skimming through the article, which I'm 99% sure is generated by chatgpt, is literally just a rehash of the wiki article that I posted with no additional information provided.
There's still NOTHING in the article that you yourself posted that supports ANY of your claims. You don't have a moral high ground when you've proven yourself to be the liar that you're being criticized as. I'm asking you to prove what you said, it's really that simple. You haven't been able to do it, you keep trying to assert that you're right while wagging your finger as if you're a moral authority on anything.
You can't squirm your way out of this. There's no 4d chess logic, there's no connecting the magical dots, there's no opening your third eye. You either provide sources that directly prove the claims that you made or your failure to do so validates my criticisms of you by default. If you're a conspiracy whacko who's lying and spreading misinformation, then prove me wrong and post your sources. Go claim by claim and spell it out for me, I'll be waiting but I know you won't come up with anything.
Ignore the evidence, discredit the messenger, and lie through your teeth. Why you so passionate about discrediting pedophiles rings? This isn't Pizza Gate nonsense.
Ignore the evidence, discredit the messenger, and lie through your teeth.
This is literally what you're doing. The lack of self awareness is shameless. I didn't ignore shit. The OP made a conspiracy theory statement that I asked to them to explain because they clearly posted conspiracy theory bullshit. They made two specific claims that I called out. First, they specifically said that Epstein was Mossad agent, which they failed to prove. Second, he made a string of lies about the Finders group/cult/movement/whatever. He said that they were Mossad/CIA operations to traffic kids to pedophiles and that this evidence was public and well known. I have very thoroughly demonstrated he's a liar and all his claims are wrong.
I literally linked the public information in my comment and spelled out how the public information he's talking about directly disproves him and his claims. His comeback was to give a literal chatgpt generated article on some substack that's run by shmucks who are trying to fearmonger people into buying gold and silver from them. Even then, the AI article is literally a restatement of the wiki article it has zero new information that the wiki article didn't have. How do they respond to me calling out their lies? They started calling me a fucking pedophile. That's not ignorance, that's just malicious misinformation.
It's completely insane that you're even willing to entertain low level conspiracy theory level bullshit as fact, not on the basis of accuracy, but on the basis hatred. Demanding clarity and accuracy is not an endorsement, it's fucking accountability. Do you honestly think that calling out this moron for spreading misinformation means I'm endorsing child rapists? What kind of brain dead notion is that? Fuck Epstein, anybody who's associated with him, and all other child rapists. You they won't get a shred of sympathy from me. Are you really going to stoop so low that you're going to endorse McCarthyist accusations from people who lack basic critical thinking skills? Like what are you even doing?
The thing is that my request thus far hasn't changed, and it won't change because I'm ultimately in the right. I asked for OP to provide evidence that actually prove their claims as he stated them. I don't want a conspiracy theory justification where I have to connect magical dots that don't exist or open my third eye and see a bigger picture that's not there. Their second claim about the finders has already been debunked, but if they, you, or anybody else can provide real evidence that actually shows that Epstein worked for Mossad or any government agency in an official capacity to traffic kids like they claimed, then please show it to me and I will gladly concede. Until then, I have no reason to believe conspiracy theories on the basis of "dude, trust me."
https://politicstoday.org/fbi-informant-claimed-epstein-was-israeli-spy-document-shows/
This is not conspiracy theory shit, as I said this isn't fucking Pizza Gate. We have several people who are familiar with him all saying it sure looks like it.
Accusation is not proof but there is additional evidence.
Elements in Isreal had much deeper ties than they would like to admit. Surprise surprise, no one wants to claim this guy after he was exposed.
I doubt Isreal trained him, but there is strong intelligence that he was an tool of Mossad and the CIA as in he did work for them. He provided material support to advance the interested of Israel and the USA around the world. Perhaps you could say he was just self serving, but that is exactly the type of person these agencies use.
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/11/12/epstein_israel
Perhaps what we are looking at is an individual that is both being used and using the USA, Russia, and Israel. I find it strange after all he did for Israel that they would say he actually worked against their wishes.
And it is not just other people's words. Epstein bragged that he was a fixer, able to create and repair relations with different cultures and that he did work for Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and the USA.
Going back to his plea deal in 2008 when Alex Costa said that he was told to back off (which he did) Epstein's prosecution because Epstein was involved in ongoing intelligence agency actions. He later denied he said this.
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/jeffrey-epstein-cia-ties/
We have good evidence that Epstein had compromised Ehud Barak. Israel and US intelligence would be aware of this.
https://www.trtworld.com/article/16616743
We also know he had strong connections to the CIA meeting with William Burns who went to director of the CIA.
Pretending this is a "bro trust me" situation based upon the available information is a gross mischaraterization. I would even say that the conspiracy theory at this point is that Epstein didn't have the connections that everyone says, including himself, he had.
That's a lot of words for "i'm a pedo and I insist on defending pedophiles.'
You're a pedophile
Yeah you’re absolutely a pedophile
Enjoy the tag.
And yours is the level of obfuscation in service of evil that I expect from zionists.
Do you live under a rock?
No, I just have a tendency to call out misinformation when I see it.
One thing all Abrahamic faiths hold in common, dear and close to their hearts, is the molestation and torture of children.
Religion is a mental illness, a personal defect, and the greatest threat facing humanity, by far.
QED
I think it has something to do with removing women from authority. Makes it easier to get at them kids.
I think your getting close, but off the mark.
Its about Patriarchal society. They think they own their women and children and therefore think they are justified doing anything to them.
The Divine Feminine Movement cannot come soon enough.
Abrahamic religions are a disease on this world.
I think maybe this is something older than Abrahamic religions, but who knows. It just seems so coordinated across different faiths.
But child sexual abuse is tradition in the Jewish faith: circumcision.
Same with the catholics. (who mostly become ex-catholics). I certainly wouldn't mind having the tip of my dick back.
Catholic faith nowhere demands circumcision. Actually, a lot of discussionin the early church history was about "are Christians also Jews?", which would require circumcision. And the resounding answer was "No".
This seems to be an American aberration.
Some wait till adulthood.
That's OK. Then it is their own body to decide about.
Every link within that news website leads to more of the same website. The last place I saw this was rebel media.
I'm not out to discredit etc but I do think it may be wise to look for external confirmation.
That very article has several outgoing links, in addition to the explicit mentions of news broadcaster Kan 11:
- https://www.jfeed.com/news-israel/gush-etzion-ritualistic-abuse(Gush Etzion Regional Council acknowledged ritualistic sexual abuse cases in its communities)
- https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-856407 (survivors testify)
- https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-884502(senior Rabbi urges to take the reports seriously)
- https://www.timesofisrael.com/horrifying-testimonies-seek-to-lift-shroud-of-silence-around-ritual-sex-abuse-claims/ (survivors testify; comprehensive account of the non-investigations)
The part about Avraham Bezalel being forced to resign from the Knesset was widely covered, as was the questioning of Hanoch Milwidsky by the police.
I haven't chased down sources beyond that, having limited time.
Then the story should be posted by an actual reputable source. Questionable sources shouldn't tolerated on the basis of technicalities.
What you're doing here is called critical thinking. That's not allowed on Lemmy because basic information hygiene is frowned upon. Doing so make you a genocide supporter in the eyes of the community here. You're only ever allowed to criticize questionable sources when they publish something that the wider community disagrees with.
See my reply to the same comment
My first reaction to this headline, coming from a german speaking country, was that it sounds like a neonazi hitpiece (it wouldn't be the first time that neonazis would spread allegations like this).
The article quickly made me realize that those allegations have a lot of substance and credibility.
Any zionists here who wanna explain why i now have to say that some fucking nazis had a point?
Dive into the Epstein files, Ghislaine Maxwell and for bonus credit the Franklin incident. I wasn't surprised sadly
Yup. Me neither. Wherever there is an excess of money/power and entitlement, some perverted shitheel is going to organize pedophilia (and/or other sexual extremes) with other perverted shitheels. The entitlement tells them they should have whatever they want, then the money/power gets it for them and keeps it protected from external interference, and the train rolls on.
Epstein himself made a career of trading influence and favors on exactly that: occasionally he made the mistake of offering sexual access to minors to the wrong person and then he'd back off immediately, saying, "No, that's not what I meant, bad joke, but wouldn't you like [some other elite thing, like meeting a celeb] instead," and no one would even bat an eye.
Israel is already credibly accused of raping everyone but children -- men, women, prisoners, detainees, settlers -- when it comes to Palestinians, activists, and others, so who legitimately thinks they're not ALSO raping the kids?
Israelis applauded the two soldiers accused of raping a Palestinian man in detention, and of course the charges were dropped, so when that policy comes from the top down and many are even applauding the rapists, what possible restriction of sexual violence then applies to the children?
When you strip away insane amounts of money and power, and the perks and exclusivity and protection that money and power buy, you will always find that evil is indeed banal, and the vices that consume the poorest also consume the richest.
See the following articles for graphic descriptions of how Israel is using sexual violence as an act of war:
The Silence That Meets the Rape of Palestinians - NYT
Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank, report says - The Guardian
“More than a human can bear”: Israel's systematic use of sexual, reproductive and other forms of gender-based violence since October 2023 - UN Human Rights org (OHCHR)
And there are a lot more where that came from, unfortunately.
ghislaine following in her fathers footstep with the whole zionism bit, ghislaine just went the whole extra mile.
Zionism is as much representative of Judaism as NAZIsm is representative of all Germanic people.
Just because these ethno-Fascist White Supremacist groups claim they represent a specific ethnicity doesn't mean they do.
Granted, Zionism has lasted a lot longer and there is a lot more parroting of the whole equating Judaism with Zionism in countries with a captured Press and/or Fascists traditions, so it's understandable that many will actually believe that idea as pushed by Zionists, but there are plenty of Jewish voices saying that's not so (curiously one which is called Jewish Voices For Peace and has just been deemed by a German Court an "Extremist Organization" for their criticism of Israel, which is interesting given the parallels between NAZIsm and Zionism).
Anyways, there is no such thing as a politican ideology or a country which represents an entire ethnicity - that would logically require that all people of a ethnicity are the same (i.e. "they're all the same") which is a foundational stone of Racism. I guess most people who believe the equivalence between Israel/Zionism and the Jewish People seem to have just accepted it a face value and never have really analysed it it down to its component parts and thus did not realize that such equation of one and the other relies on pure ethnic prejudice about people based on ethnicity.
What is the polling on % of American Jews supporting Israel? Or individual synagogues being pro or anti Zionist? One Jewish zionist I was talking to recently said Jewish Voices for Peace represented a tiny minority and was very dismissive about the extent of antizionism among Jews in general but I'm sure she has a bias.
I vaguelly remembers reading that in the latest polls about half of Jews in the US do not support the actions of Israel, tough the ones who are actually against the existence of Israel are much less (I think it was less than 20%, but am not sure anymore).
I'm in Europe and a lot of the Press here is a lot more open about the actions of Israel and less prone to the Manufacturing ConsentI spin on stories about the actions of Israel, so I suspect that in average the views of Jews here towards Israel are more negative than for those in the US (though I suppose that depends on the country: I wouldn't be surprised if hard-core Zionist beliefs were more common in the UK and Germany than in the rest of Europe). This would be consistent with the view of Israel amongst the population in general in Europe being a lot more negative than in the US.
Independently of that, were exactly do you set the "these guys represent you and everybody like you even if you disagree" boundary? In other words, how many Jews must believe that "Israel does not represent me" for it to be false that Israel to represent the Jewish People? Also, if the numbers fall below that at one point, does that mean that Israel doesn't represent the Jewish People anymore or is it a sticky representation whether people want to or not?
The whole domain of anything or anybody representing an entire ethnicity without even a Democratic election is a massive minefield of Prejudicial and even Racist presumptions.
Beyond that, the entire subject of Zionism and Israel representing an entire etnicity (the Jewish People) carries the very same strong stink as NAZIsm and NAZI Germany representing an entire etnicity (the Arian Race).
Not a zionist, but you thankfully don't have to. It is a proven fact now that the israeli state does a lot of messed up objectively evil stuff, but that was never the point of the nazis where I live at least. What I have heard from that crowd, is that all semitic people groups, especially the Jews, should be killed off. There is thankfully nothing in the news to back up that idea, and it is as insane as arguing for global persecution of all baptists in retaliation for American wars in the middle east. The neonazis I have met have simply hopped on this latest war to spread their hate opportunistically.
This is conflating religion and ethnicity. Wanting to see people liberated from a religion you abhor is very, very different from wanting them all dead.
Of course it is not a perfect comparison, I don't know of that many ethnoreligious groups with strong ties to one nation state, a strong and historically significant minority presence across much of the world and global recognition on the internet. I hope I still got the main point across though, that the main neo-nazi position is completely insane, and not really related to the atrocities committed by the israeli state at all.
Nazis didn’t have a point. The zionist project is a continuation of nazism, not judaism. Nazis also abused children in horrible ways. Ethnosupremacy leads to (and is a product of) corrosion of all morality and social norms
The zionist project is a continuation of nazism, not judaism.
The Zionist project perdates Nazism by several decades. It may be morally abhorrent, but it's not Nazism. It's a me-too version of European enthno-nationalism combined with colonialism, both of which were widespread in the 19th century. In Europe, ethno-nationalism led to nation-states coalescing such as Italy and Germany, but at the expense of ethnic minorities whose languages and cultures were suppressed. The colonialist variant led to oppression of indigenous peoples, especially in Africa, but to a lesser extent in the Caribbean, Polynesia and other parts of the world.
Within European colonialism, it was not unusual for members of disadvantaged groups to be the ones to become colonists (for example, the Catalans in Cuba, Baseques in Spanish colonies, or the Scots in far-flung corners of the British empire). Jews in 19th-century Europe were still subject to discrimination (though in most parts, their position would improve in the early 20th century until the fascists gained power), so it's not surprising to see emigration to a new colony being perceived by some as an option.
So that's the historical context. None of that makes it right, anymore than what the French did in Algeria was right. There's a logic to ethno-nationalism and colonialism that makes oppression inevitable and genocide likely. But conflating Zionism with Nazism is neither correct nor helpful. It's evil in its own way, but more in alignment with other ethno-nationalist and colonialist movements than Nazism. Claiming differently just allows objectors to point to the many unique features of Nazism to refute the claim, distracting from the real point, that such murderous injustice is an intrinsic feature of both ethno-nationalism and colonialism.
What are some of these unique nazi features not present in zionism?
I really can not believe you now have to admit the Zionists are Nazis to someone!!! I mean we are talking about the chosen people! Our precious chosenite, this is not possible!
Won’t anyone think of the childr… no wait.
Talking about anything Zionists do is antisemitic.
Zionists claim to represent all Jewish people, so that any criticism of the former can be deflected to use the latter as meatshields and cry "Antisemite!" They're a cancer to their own people, everyone around them and forming metastases all over the world.
Show me a "religious conservative" and I'll show you someone high on the "Likely Rapes Underage Girls" list.
I’m scared to even click this article :’)
What fucking scum.
'Shaking' the sector my ass they seem all in on this bullshit.
Circumcision is ritualistic child sexual abuse.
... shaking Israel's religious-Zionist sector.
I kinda doubt that, they must be just "slammed" about the whole thing getting out though.
I hope the victims recover...
Was wondering who was going to rise up and challenge the Catholic church for the title of champions of the molesters in the next Holy Wrestle Mania PPV.
The republican party have made it through to the finals!
the admission is now expected to trigger the reopening of police complaints that were previously closed, as well as a significant expansion of the criminal investigation.
So, they publicly proclaimed how horrible and evil the reports are, but actually DID nothing.
Given that there has been very little evidence for “satanic” child sexual abuse cults despite rumors going back at least half a century, it wouldn’t surprise me if there is some relation. The devil’s in the details, and these reports ring absolutely true personally.
Please don’t take this as anything against Judaism as a whole, some of my best friends, family, nicest people yada yada. It’s like any powerful religion.
Nothing satanic, it's just abuse with some dressed up frills to get the victim to accept their abuse. And Israel is choke full of abusers.
Even a survey found that the majority didn't think forcing another person into sex is considered rape.
College Study: 41 Percent of Women Students Don't See Forced Sex With Acquaintance as Rape. 61 percent of the male students polled in a small college survey did not equate forced sex with an acquaintance as rape.
That’s my point. Maybe there were “satanic” ritualistic abuse cults, maybe not. But it seems increasingly likely there have been Zionist ritualistic abuse cults for a long time. Their pentagram a… hexagram?
I think these stats are a reflection of just how toxic Israeli culture has become in some areas. It’s a slippery slope from → these types of people are not human to → inhumanity applied to other groups, as we all know. Eventually it is applied on oneself when it becomes so ingrained in the culture
I think it's more the case that relatively inward-looking communities (for example, religious cults or factions) enable abuse by being suspicious of outside authority and opposing accountability for their leaders. Instead, they close ranks and try to hide their problems. That may mean solving them themselves, or more often, protecting the perpetrators and laying on the denial.
It's a depressing fact that child abuse happens everywhere. There's a certain, probably irreducible, percentage of any population who are sick, evil scum who prey on the vulnerable. The only question is whether the problem is confronted or hidden. In that way, Israeli culture is no different than that anywhere else.
The massive problem with this ritualised csa is that it is deliberately conscripting people who aren’t that way inclined to participate to benefit the depravities of a few and presumably provide blackmail powers. This is vastly different from covering up for rogue individuals in power dynamic, it is deliberately much more damaging to everyone involved, even normalised, and it provides extremely strong obedience. There is a presumption of no possible outside authority in this scenario by those involved, by design. I would hope that this is unusual at this level of seniority within a culture, but I have my doubts.
And for groups like this it makes perfect sense that many would see reporting it and publicizing it as having a risk of hurting the group as a whole, victim included. You try internal means of dealing with the issue if you can, or you try warning potential victims, or you just try to move on.
It's one of the reasons it's so bad to associate groups with unrelated crimes and heinous acts.
I still don't know if I can make a generalization that it's because Israelis are predominantly of a faith and therefore are cultish, and by extension likely to be abusers within the faith. In the end, a majority of Israelis are not religious and don't subscribe to religious doctrine.
So I agree with your second paragraph:
I think these stats are a reflection of just how toxic Israeli culture has become in some areas. It’s a slippery slope from → these types of people are not human to → inhumanity applied to other groups, as we all know. Eventually it is applied on oneself when it becomes so ingrained in the culture.
And because of how sadistic and toxic the culture is, it's even more apparent in the spinoff cults.
I know that for contemporary Republican politicians, every accusation against their perceived enemies is an admission of something they're doing.
I didn't know that went all the way back to the Satanic Panic.
is there some kind of doctrinal root for this behavior? to have so many people involved from across the spectrum of Israeli society would suggest there is some small kernel here that can justify the behavior. anything?
EDIT: should have noted I am looking for responses that are NOT antisemitic.
is there some kind of doctrinal root for this behavior? to have so many people involved from across the spectrum of Israeli society would suggest there is some small kernel here that can justify the behavior. anything?
EDIT: should have noted I am looking for responses that are NOT antisemitic.
You pose a valid question, but there's no legitimate Jewish doctrine behind it, any more than there was legitimate Christian doctrine behind it eighty, ninety years ago when the Nazis were doing it to the Jews.
This is not so much a religious question as it is a problem of human nature. When your own national leader makes it clear that even the worst of human behavior is acceptable when you can plead patriotism in its defense, you will find that tacitly given permission magnified beyond your wildest imagination in short order as people with darkness inside them realize there really is nothing holding them back from having a go themselves.
If it were something doctrinal to the Jewish faith, you would also be seeing it outside Israel. If anything, it is a perversion of actual Judaism, just as white nationalism in the US is a total perversion of Christianity.
If you've never read it before, Hannah Arendt's Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil is a great read.
thank you for a really thoughtful response!
Mmm, some practices are doctrinal in some branches of Judaism. Just read a comment below.
If it were something doctrinal to the Jewish faith, you would also be seeing it outside Israel.
Did we forgot about this?
If we want to seriously talk about religions and what is and is not acceptable in our society we need to be honest with ourselves.
Yes, you should be honest with us. I note that you did not actually supply either the "branches of Judaism" nor the specific doctrine you claim supports this. So if it's doctrinal, name it. That's a simple enough ask.
Jewish people and Jewish doctrine are two different things, just as Christian people and Christian doctrine are two different things.
You've showed me an example of Jewish inhumanity, that's great. Before I posted this comment, I posted another one all about that with linked examples on a grand scale.
All this is utterly meaningless in terms of describing doctrine, not just for Judaism but for every faith.
For every Jewish cruelty or inhumanity you show me, I can show you endless Christian and even atheist cruelty and inhumanity. The bounds of cruelty exceed doctrine and apply to the humans underneath; the doctrine is only relevant insofar as it directly supports the act or is twisted to serve as justification for obviously immoral and even amoral acts.
If what you posted were common only to Jews everywhere, you might have something. But they don't. Organized pedophilia has been found everywhere, as have people who claim to be adherents of benevolent religion and then turn around and act in ways even that religion labels as abhorrent.
People take doctrine and twist it to their own ends. It doesn't mean the doctrine is bad (or good); it just means people who do evil also lie to justify their evil deeds, and that happens everywhere, inside religion and outside of it.
When I first wrote the comment to which you are responding now, I thought the question was about the Israeli war atrocities being committed against Palestinians and I wrote my comment from that point of view; in that I was in error.
Yes, you should be honest with us. I note that you did not actually supply either the "branches of Judaism" nor the specific doctrine you claim supports this. So if it's doctrinal, name it. That's a simple enough ask.
Ok, I think you know but I will play. The Jews of the New York incident above were hasidic jews, chabad-lubavich in particular.
Can we say that all sects that think that their people are the “best” “chosen” “above” “special” is wrong and we should NOT tolerate them?
Jewish people and Jewish doctrine are two different things, just as Christian people and Christian doctrine are two different things.
Yes they are different things and we can condemn both of them if immoral. Why are we talking about christians now?
For every Jewish cruelty or inhumanity you show me, I can show you endless Christian and even atheist cruelty and inhumanity. The bounds of cruelty exceed doctrine and apply to the humans underneath; the doctrine is only relevant insofar as it directly supports the act or is twisted to serve as justification for obviously immoral and even amoral acts.
Again, this is not a dick race. And yes, every religion and every person can be cruel and inhumane but in the year of our lord 2026 we are witnessing a total out of control ultra religious cult committing genocide with ZERO repercussions and managing an international blackmail paedophilic and human trafficking ring with the most powerful people in the world, including the current sitting US president.
So excuse me if I don’t go checking the Buddhism doctrine to find dirt on them, doesn’t seem urgent now.
Let me ask you a question then. Can you name another holy book used as a religious law that contains so much disgusting abhorrent behaviour as the Talmud?
"A girl who engaged in intercourse when she was less than three years old is still considered a virgin"
what fucking religion has a book like this?!
Ok, I think you know but I will play. The Jews of the New York incident above were hasidic jews, chabad-lubavich in particular.
No, I really did not know. Thank you for naming them. I will read more about them.
Can we say that all sects that think that their people are the “best” “chosen” “above” “special” is wrong
YES.
and we should NOT tolerate them?
Hmmm. For myself, I already avoid all religion, especially of the Abrahamic sort. But you're talking about tolerating people, and that's kind of a different story for me: I do not engage with the overly religious to begin with, for multiple reasons. (I quite like pagans, though.)
But if someone is of a particular creed and I don't know about it, they are obviously well-behaved enough to keep that to themselves. I would say that such people, even as members of sects who think themselves above the rest of us -- because remember, not all are there by choice or even because they actually believe -- are fine by me.
Or to put it another way, if they are not shoving their personal elitist self-belief in my face via shows of entitlement or shitty behavior, I don't care what faith they hold.
Why are we talking about christians now?
As an illustration that there is no difference whatsoever between belief systems when the real problem is evil behavior, perpetrated by humans. When you're sprayed by a skunk, do you really give a shit how wide the stripe down its back?
Also, I left Christianity many years ago, but before that I was deep into it for decades and studied a lot, so it's always where I start when I think about religions filled with self-righteous pricks who twist dogma and doctrine to justify evil.
in the year of our lord 2026
Not my lord. I'd rather have tertiary syphilis, thanks.
we are witnessing a total out of control ultra religious cult committing genocide with ZERO repercussions and managing an international blackmail paedophilic and human trafficking ring with the most powerful people in the world, including the current sitting US president.
All of that is 100% true, inasmuch as I myself know or would argue. But now that you've responded, I'm pretty sure our difference lies in your willingness (or my unwillingness, take your pick) to extrapolate outwards from the personal identity of the perpetrators of those great evils to tar vast swathes of humans with the same brush by simple virtue of membership. That's not my thing. I see an asshole, I don't go looking past their shit to see if other assholes match.
At the deepest level that is, at best, a self-protective behavior and outlook, and you'll see it the most when people have personally been eviscerated by evil in the name of a god.
For myself I have focused more on getting the myth of Christianity out of my system, but I have no judgement for those who are seared by the ongoing abuses and control of organized religion, especially if they grew up in or around that.
Let me ask you a question then. Can you name another holy book used as a religious law that contains so much disgusting abhorrent behaviour as the Talmud?
That is an excellent question, and the truth is that I do not know, because my knowledge of the Talmud is superficial at best. Coming from Christianity, and such gems as the early fathers, such as Tertullian who thought women do not have souls, I'd say if you put them side by side they'd probably end up within spitting range of each other. I usually did not go into the source language for the repulsive bits, because that's not what I was in it for, but they are certainly there. The Quran is also not a shining example of how to behave toward certain members of society, so we're back to the whole Abrahamic thing.
what fucking religion has a book like this?!
That's not religion, that's self-delusion. My question for you would be whether that particular line, and those like it, are still being used to justify the foul and horrific sexual use of children, and by whom. If it is and they are, they should be lined up and shot, NOT for their religion but for their unholy use of the bodies of innocent children, AND their abhorrent use of religion to justify and self-excuse those vast evils. (If that's the actual belief and practice of the sect you mentioned by name, then I genuinely did not know and I will stand corrected.)
You've clearly thought this through (which is more than I can say for the usual fare here, so thank you) and we're not disagreeing on facts, as far as I can tell. It's the context in which I personally hold those facts contrasted with the personal context in which you hold those facts, and I would not take my own position out further than I have. People do tremendous evil. For myself, I think all religions have some measure of repugnant shit, especially the Abrahamic variety.
Yet if someone holds a personal faith that lifts them up, lifts those around them up, that helps them to live in a hard and brutal world, then I personally won't tar them with the same brush that I absolutely reserve in full force for the perpetrators of those evils you named. But you gotta do you, and that's not just a blithe, easy statement. This is something I had to fight through to clarity for myself, it took years, and I expect anyone deeply fucked by religion has to do the same. Maybe that's you as well.
So honestly, if I were to ask you one thing it would be this: look at your position, what you've written, and ask yourself what the end result is in terms of lifting yourself and your inner world up in such a way that you are no longer crushed by the evils you see around you, and which you may have even suffered yourself. Or to put it another way, "If I decide this is how I want my worldview to be, will the way in which I am viewing the vast evil around me advance my well-being or improve my life in any way?" When I left Christianity after decades, that was what I had to ask myself. It was quite possibly one of the most important questions I have ever been asked. So that's what I am asking you as well: not for public discussion, but for you to consider privately, over time, along with the well-stated facts of your case.
I appreciate your thoughtful response, and if I have provided offense in any way, I apologize. That's not my goal, and I hope that is self-apparent.
EDITED TO ADD that I looked up that sect, Chabad-Lubavitch, and beyond the mattress thing being discredited I honestly did not find any mention of pedophilia in regard to that sect. Trump and Putin both apparently love them, though, which is not in their favor. I will continue to look. If you want to toss me some links I will read them.
Chabad are mostly notable for being less insular than most Orthodox sects, doing a lot of outreach to secular/Reform/Conservative Jews, and thus ending up as one of the big names in overseas funding for Zionism in the modern day. They're really the mainstream face of Orthodox Judaism, and the fucked up abuse scandals in Israel have tended to come from fringe, Messianic sects that the state's Rabbinate and larger organizations like Chabad can at least pretend to distance themselves from.
As for the Talmud, it's weird how much it tends to get played up in antisemitic narratives, because in my (very limited) experience it is really, incredibly dry and mostly boring. It's like reading Reddit comments on every page of the scriptures, where 5 incredibly pedantic nerds are arguing over what exactly counts as a fork, or what a story about a wage dispute is supposed to say about contract law and social hierarchy. There's a predictably authoritarian "just listen to your boss and your rabbi" bent to the morals it extracts, but at the end of the day it's a couple thousand pages of mundane, day-to-day legal doctrine. Anyone can learn Talmud, it's just a lot of effort, and like a lot of difficult religious texts, it mostly ends up being a source local authority figures can pull out to settle arguments in their favor.
Thank you for this context. I had actually suspected as much, especially in regard to how people use the Talmud for prooftexting (selectively pulling bits out of a text with which to authoritatively settle disputes) because that's exactly how the Christian bible is used by the same sort of people, But as I said above I'm not overly familiar with the Talmud, so this tracks. And yeah, it is really dry reading! I did try a few times, lol.
But it's depressing how similar some people are in their tactics to suppress real questions and debate, even across faiths.
First of all thank you for taking the time. I really enjoyed reading your answer. I know I’m very abrasive sometimes and usually at this point people start calling me antisemite or bot, so I appreciate it.
Or to put it another way, if they are not shoving their personal elitist self-belief in my face via shows of entitlement or shitty behaviour, I don't care what faith they hold.
Absolutely. I couldn’t said that better.
But now that you've responded, I'm pretty sure our difference lies in your willingness (or my unwillingness, take your pick) to extrapolate outwards from the personal identity of the perpetrators of those great evils to tar vast swathes of humans with the same brush by simple virtue of membership.
No, I’m not willing to bundle everyone by virtue of membership, no. But I recognise these evils are the symptoms of a root cause that, perhaps doesn’t encompass everyone, but it’s very close to power and touches so many organisations and entities, I’m not sure what would be left if we throw away the rotten part.
In general I would advocate for much much more stringent regulation over religions, cults, sects, faiths, lodges etc… I agree with pretty much everything you said but I would like to answer the last bit.
So honestly, if I were to ask you one thing it would be this: look at your position, what you've written, and ask yourself what the end result is in terms of lifting yourself and your inner world up in such a way that you are no longer crushed by the evils you see around you, and which you may have even suffered yourself. Or to put it another way, "If I decide this is how I want my worldview to be, will the way in which I am viewing the vast evil around me advance my well-being or improve my life in any way?"
No, it doesn’t, it absolutely does not advance my well-being or improve my life in any way. Actually the opposite. But it just doesn’t matter, perhaps we should stop focusing and acting solely on the base of what benefits ourselves, this is a delusional egocentric system. We learned that, regardless of what it is true or false, right or wrong, if it benefits us we should do it and if it harms us we should refuse it. Nothing else really matter.
I don’t agree. Perhaps if we keep pointing at stuff and see evil we should ask if we are in hell not if we are wrong. It’s a bummer, a party pooper, I know, but sometimes I like to remind everyone that we do are in extreme danger, actual code red, alarm alarm stuff. Shit is not going well at all and we are NOT doing anything about it.
To conclude on the topic of Talmudic Judaism, think about this: Jesus in the Talmud is boiling in excrements. The Jewish Passover celebration is the celebration of the death of Jesus. This is why you can see on YouTube israeli (even kids) spitting and abusing Christians going to Israel. Believe what they say.
Ah, what was Jesus’s sin? Saying we are all the same. Thanks for the chat
P.S. This may also contribute. It's something by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn I read probably forty years ago, and it put into words what I had been suspecting anyway, that organizations are NOT inscrutable entities made of their own special something but merely groups of individual humans.
Thus, when an organization does something shitty, it's because some shitty individuals inside it think it's a grand idea and the head shit signs off on it and then at that point, all the individuals inside that organization are then faced with a choice to either ride along or get off altogether, because there are rarely any choices in between those two poles. But there's always a subset who would gladly throw a wrench in the works if they thought it would make any difference, because they think it's ass and they resent it all, never having wanted it to begin with.
So I don't believe in organizations anymore, only the individuals within it. And the line between good and evil crosses not between people, but across the heart of every person. That's what I got from Solzhenitsyn.
From The Gulag Archipelago, Part 4, Chapter 1, “The Ascent”:
"It was granted me to carry away from my prison years on my bent back, which nearly broke beneath its load, this essential experience: how a human being becomes evil and how good…
Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either—but right through every human heart—and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains… an unuprooted small corner of evil. "
Lol, I need to self-correct here just a hair.
No, it doesn’t, it absolutely does not advance my well-being or improve my life in any way. Actually the opposite. But it just doesn’t matter, perhaps we should stop focusing and acting solely on the base of what benefits ourselves, this is a delusional egocentric system. We learned that, regardless of what it is true or false, right or wrong, if it benefits us we should do it and if it harms us we should refuse it. Nothing else really matter.
I don’t agree.
No, you're right, and it's a failure on my part to frame the concept better. For myself, I believe that actions follow thoughts. So if I want to make or be part of positive change, first I have to lift my own thoughts. And how can I truly see someone else in their reality, as they really are, if I won't even see myself as I really am?
What I found for myself was that I can't wallow in thoughts that involve huge, vast conspiracies of evil because 1) it's factually not true that every person in any given org supports everything that org does, especially if that org is doing evil shit because evil always involves coercion; and 2) it's a thought structure that is overwhelming to the point of personal paralysis.
So when I wrote that, I was speaking solely of the inner world, of examining and even changing the way you hold your beliefs about evil if that current belief system doesn't lift you up in a way that makes you a better person, NOT tangible externals and looking away from them because hey, fuck you I got mine. You're right, that's shit. If we have a conscience, we're either using it OR we are deluding ourselves about having one.
Shit is not going well at all and we are NOT doing anything about it.
That's one of the things that changing my own inner world got me to see and understand differently. There are a LOT of people doing something about it, in every little way they know how. Look around: it's chaos. If everyone were cooperating with the powers-that-be it would not now be chaotic. But chaos is the kitchen of change.
Or to put it another (very hypothetical) way, if all you can see are the vast hordes of wrongdoers marching in lockstep, you will never see the less-noticeable individuals like me (hypothetically) flattening their tires and (hypothetically) sugaring their gas tanks behind their backs while they march.
We can all do something. I genuinely believe that. Even if it's only getting in the way. There's only one guy that gets to be editor of the NY Times and it's not me, so they're never going to tell the truth about full-spectrum resistance or direct action: I should stop waiting for public acknowledgement.
But if I see my thing I can do, and I do it, that lifts me and it lifts my world. Gotta see it first, though, and that requires a belief system that allows for seeing it. And that's why I asked you the question I did. Thank you as well for a bracing chat. You're a good person. Don't stop.
They believe they're better than everybody else, and that most of the rest isn't even fully human. Just like most of other destructive ideologies in history.
So... Nazi's?
Judaism as a whole is one big cult, people just ignore it because it doesn't affect most of us but if you went into Talmud and other traditional jewish writings you'd find they're just divorced from reality because of their traditions. I'll give you one example, and go read yourself if you want more
uh. well. it is canon if that helps. https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/violence-against-women-in-the-hebrew-bible
The ancient Greeks and Romans certainly thought this sort of behavior was typical and foundational to Christian and Jewish religious practices and fought hard to liberate people from the clutches of those religious cults in antiquity.
Funny thing: the blood libel (the allegation that a group was murdering and cannibalizing children) was originally a Roman accusation against the early Christians. It was only later used by the Christians against the Jews.
There's a lot of government and religious NGO money funneled around Israel for religious schools and student stipends, so any unscrupulous rabbis looking to start an abusive cult have plenty of opportunities handed to them. It's really not unlike the various Christian cults that sprouted up on compounds in the American West, taking advantage of cheap resources and isolation tactics to build organizations that beat the shit out of children or do whatever else they want.
Edit: I think the settlements in particular create a similar physical dynamic, where living on stolen land ringed with fences and security checkpoints allows leaders to create an insular community that keeps victims in and accountability out. Even twenty minutes' drive from Jerusalem, no one gets into a settlement without arranged permission, and a housewife with no car may as well be stranded out on the prairie.
so i'm not sure whether there's a doctrinal root in it or anything. i never really looked into judaism specifically, but i studied a lot of philosophy and mythology classes and i also talked to a lot of people so i heard some stories. basically some indigenous communities have it too, the puberty is seen as the time where the "human wakes up" (initiation rite), the consciousness is formed, and people differentiate into their later function just like body cells differentiate into one of many types after being cloned from stem cells.
a typical example is boys undergoing puberty rites that sometimes involve some kind of specific pain (like sticking needles through the skin, etc) in order to give them the warrior spirit, because they get used to a live of pain sothat their brain shifts its perception and they don't consciously register it anymore. puberty rites for females are less common and typically less extreme. i'll see whether i can link some sources/examples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bora_(Australian)
Bora is an initiation ceremony of the Aboriginal people of Eastern Australia. The word "bora" also refers to the site on which the initiation is performed. At such a site, boys, having reached puberty, achieve the status of men. The initiation ceremony differs from Aboriginal culture to culture, but often, at a physical level, involved scarification, circumcision, subincision and, in some regions, also the removal of a tooth.[1] During the rites, the youths who were to be initiated were taught traditional sacred songs, the secrets of the tribe's religious visions, dances, and traditional lore. Many different clans would assemble to participate in an initiation ceremony. Women and children were not permitted to be present at the sacred bora ground where these rituals were undertaken.
just one example but there's countless others from all over the world.
To the surprise of absolutely no one. Israel has always been friendly to rapists and pedophilia is not forbidden and is a long standing tradition. Also the age of consent is 16-- lower than all their neighbors. And they have been trying to lower that to 14. Just gross.