Free speech activists condemn UK entry ban for Hasan Piker and Cenk Uygur
16d 9h ago by lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/technocrit in fediverse_vs_disinfo@lemmy.dbzer0.com from www.theguardian.com
Two leftwing US commentators, who have both been accused of propagating "antisemitism", barred from visiting for event
Hasan Piker is an inherently peaceful person, he takes the ideas of leftism seriously and in that sense he is a lot like a younger Bernie Sanders in many ways.
You don't have to like Hasan Piker, you can think he is full of shit, or just dead wrong... but what you can't do is claim Hasan Piker is antisemitic because the evidence of it is laughable. Hasan specifically calls out criticism of Israel that is based on antisemitism and not on a rational analysis of geopolitics that puts what is happening into a broader context. He despises antisemites as I do.
I have watched hours and hours of Hasan Piker, I put my entire lemmy profile and everything I have commented as a form of endorsement of Hasan Piker. If you cannot bring yourself to believe I am antisemitic than I implore you to recognize the same about Hasan Piker, this is a seriously dangerous precedent and we must not let it go because Hasan has been so relentlessly slandered by corporate mainstream media.
Nonsense
Also to be clear, he did not get his visa revoked. He got denied visa-less entry and now has to actually apply for a visa. When he says his visa got revoked, he is lying.
Edit: Literally in his own video (1:17)
Cite your proof or stop making off the cuff claims in attempt to distract from the point here.
The email he read on stream (source):
Dear Hasan Doğan Piker,
your UK ETA has been cancelled. This means you cannot travel to the UK without a VISA. This is because your presence >in the UK is not considered to be conducive to the public good. You cannot appeal this decision.
Apply for a visa:
If you still want to travel to the UK, you need to apply for a visa, so we can consider your circumstances in more detail. Having your ETA cancelled does not mean you will be refused a visa.
ETA and visa seem to generally amount to the same thing, so given that people are probably more familiar with the term "visa" anyway, it doesn't really sound like a lie to say that his visa got revoked.
So the zionist moron above isn't wrong, but blowing things out of proportion again, as expected.
No? Getting your visa revoked is way more serious. Getting your ETA revoked just means they want to take a closer look.
For all intents and purposes, none is more serious than the other, there's no practical difference. And if they wanted to take a closer look, they could have done that before approving the ETA. Doing this right now is a politically motivated action, not because of actual public safety concerns or whatever. It also doesn't help that it was revoked days before the scheduled visit, as a visa application won't be approved in time.
Literally in his letter he reads
Timestamp 1:17 if the link doesn't work.
Inherently peaceful person LMAO
Actual terrorist supporter, genocide denier is an inherently peaceful person.
Why did that peaceful person say: "We think the houthis, Ansar Allah, are doing what luffy(anime pirate from one peace) would do." For context, what they were doing was kidnapping civilians and holding them hostage. Not to mention a bit of slavery on the side.
Why did he say: "I don't have a problem with Hezbollah", seems very peaceful indeed.
He said Russia was justified in taking Krimea.
He doesn't believe in the Uygur genocide in China.
He literally tweeted a picture of the gun that killed Japanese politician at a US senator. What was he trying to say there?
Get that communist, Russia supporting fuck out of Europe. We don't want your radicals here.
You do realize nobody is going to take such extreme claims seriously without you providing evidence right?
When and if you do no matter how many edgey clips you can carefully extract from a broader point Hasan is making to portray him as endorsing antisemitism or needless violence it will become obvious you are attempting to construct a flimsy narrative.
I will reiterate if you don't like Hasan that is fine, if you think he is full of shit sure ok whatever believe what you want but if you publicly slander him like this as antisemitic and being a violent person who actually endorses extremist violence expect to be thoroughly discredited in your position on this as you are participating knowingly or unknowingly in a dangerous normalization of genocide.
Ah, yes everything is out of context.
What's the context then? For any one of my points?
I never said anything about antisemitism, but I'd say there's like 50% chance of that at least.
I'm normalizing genocide which one? The Holodomor Hasan doesn't believe in, the Uygur genocide he doesn't believe in? Funny how it's always the ones done by communists that are fake in his opinion.
What the hell do these other Genocides that the US, the country I am from, has FAR less direct impact on than the Palestinian Genocide have to do with the legitimacy of my interest in wanting the Palestinian Genocide to stop?
Replace me with Hasan Piker in that question and I ask you again, what does it have to do with Hasan Piker as regards to the Palestinian Genocide?
You are committing a textbook case of whataboutism.
...and for the record no Hasan Piker does not deny the Holomodor what the hell? Cite your sources fool.
I am uninterested in your feelings on what Hasan Piker thinks about the Uhygurs because China is a separate empire and what is happening there is under the direct mechanisms of the Chinese state and all of the politics that entails. What we can do is at best indirect, so sure let us talk about it but don't you dare try to push forward the idea that somebody FROM THE US like me should turn away from the Palestinian Genocide to focus on the Uhygur Genocide.
To accurately understand what is happening with the Uhygurs from the perspective of the US you have to account for the lens distortion of US culture and media AND Chinese culture and media and once you do that sufficiently for a given topic you then are learning about something that your country has an indirect connection to. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned but shame on you for suggesting it as a distraction to take my focus away from a Genocide occuring under the empire of the US with US weapons and Diplomatic support that is against the interests of the US people, the Palestinian People, Jews across the world and in the end the Israeli people.
(Repost, didn't know about the no twitter link rule) Damn, sounds like the guy's really invested in the Isreal-Palestine conflict. What's his solution/recommendation we should do?
this?
Because I don't have an issue denying entry to people advocating for military sabotage in your country. Also funny to pretend Israel is pulling the strings when the UK literally sanctioned members of the Israeli government XD Like, no Hasan, it's not Israel, it's you supporting military sabotage XD
Couldn't find any explicit denial of the Holodomor. He just conveniently doesn't know why there are so many russian-speaking people in the east of Ukraine. Curious how he understands, that "large number of Jews in the West Bank" is not a valid argument.
Oh look... a kapo has shown up.
Shouldn't you be off peddling your precious Zionist rape hoax while crying over footage of burning Merkavas, hasbara?
You are a disgusting person and need to talk to actual humans for once.
What would you know about humans, kapo?
You've never been one.
Yea, you really do like talking like a concentration camp guard.
You would have been an enthusiastic follower in the 3rd Reich.
🎵 Hello Projection, my old friend...🎶
Oh, look... the genocide-loving kapo is accusing others of being like a "a concentration camp guard."
Go ahead, hasbara - accuse me of your pretend "anti-semitism." See how well that works on anyone who isn't one of your liberal enablers.
Death to israel, mr rat
Yea? What's gonna happen to the Israelis living there?
I don't see how that really even matters at this point, but probably something like what happened to the whites in South Africa, although the white society in South Africa wasn't as nearly as brutal as israeli society.
So come to think about it, i'm thinking more of something like the french in algeria if you want i guess.
So you want genocide. Good to know.
Yes, the famous genocide of the french in algeria and the whites in SA. Fuck off you monstrous zionist cunt, go hug a tree at 150km/h
The French went to France. Where do Israelis go to?
They went to france? I thought you said they were genocided? Where will the palestiniens go? The lebanese? Why do you only consider the lives of people who are actively slaughtering uncountable numbers of people? Are they not people? Was the destruction of nazi-germany a genocide? Why are you actively defending a supremacist state that engages in direct genocide with overwhelming support of it's population?
anyway, it's all very funny but you are the 21st century nazi and we all know it, we all see it and I pray that one day we will see some justice. Once again, go take a bath with a toaster.
Did whites in SA get genocided?
They won't let Piker in because he has expressed support for Hamas. And the UK doesn't allow free speech if it's in support of Palestine or anti-Israel. Openly being supportive of a proscribed terrorist organization gives them an easy excuse not to let him in.
Critical support to comrade Starmer for taking down a crakkka falsifier, one more step towards global communism