Nature, uh, sorts itself out
It’s 10x funnier if the milk mustache is a Hitler stache.
YES! Raw milk is ultra-omega-alpha. Any MAGA who isn't drinking raw milk three times a day isn't a real MAGA. Be sure to let them all know this.
Based take, patriot
Yeah the yanks deserve a clean sweep of the Darwin awards until they get rid of the cheeto
I love that we can take this literally. The raw milk is potentially contaminated by fecal matter...
the milk literally is contaminated with it.
If only there was long held scientific understanding of the health risks of raw milk, and the benefits of pasteurization. What a wonderful world that would be.
Maybe they can catch up to the 1890s.
I mean it only comes out of the warm teet of a barnyard animal, what's the worst that could happen?
Why bother sterilizing the milk before you drink it? In fact, I've heard raw milk doesn't even need to be refrigerated because of all the beneficial bacteria it's got (hard /S, btw)
You know what's strange, though? My 7th grade science teacher used to preach to the class about how he and his wife were getting into drinking raw milk and how it's supposedly so much better for you. So... if that's any indication what kind of county I grew up in...
That was back in the late aughts when dubya was still in office, too. So it's not like it was just a case of the RFK jr. brainworm...
Yeah, the stupid people have always been here- the difference today is they wear it like a badge of honor rather than bite their tongue.
And that enough other stupid shitheads can put them in power when a couple billionaires decide it will help their number go up.
a teet that likely was bathed in the cows urine and poop.
Is your 7th grade science teacher still among the living?
No clue
I bet their Facebook profile pictures had "I Have An Immune System" on them during the pandemic.
God I hate that smug bullshit. I still hear them say it even now.
I personally know some dumbfucks that are proud that they didn't get "the jab".
So fucking stupid.
And remember, every time you get COVID, still, to this day, it makes you stupider
Keep it coming. If MAGA wants to kill themselves then let them
And then they become incubators for new zoonotic diseases and kickoff the next global pandemic. What could possibly go wrong.
Don't worry, we too dumb to die! Yeehaw! Y'all got anymore them ivermectins?
I dunno what list I got on but did you guys know diabetes is not a sugar problem? It’s caused by a parasite? /s
Diabeetus
That's not what the data says.
And if they need help they can call me. I have suggestions.
My kid heard it enough that he believed. Hopefully he sees my answer of “any benefits will also be in whole milk but without the Oregon trail ending “you have died of dysentery”
You can take my gurgle raw milk from my violent gurgling cold hurp dead hurp ha- blwarrrgggghhhhh.
and then have violent barfing and the runs after.
Don't you have low temperature pasteurization in the US? It tastes basically the same as raw milk and has nowhere near the mailiard reaction impact that UHT has, meaning it should have basically the same nutrition as raw milk. Never understood the raw milk craze.
Yes. Yes we do. Same dipshits pushing anti vax are out here pushing raw tit juices. I say juices because what comes out of industrial milk farms is not just milk. Blood, puss, all that is in the raw as well. Like someone already said i feel bad for any children that were hurt by their abusive dipshit parents but for any adults they chose this. They went out of their way to get this stuff. You can't just buy raw milk at the local grocer.
Having blood and puss in milk is surprisingly OK. That's not an industrial problem, that's just biological reality. However the amount is very low and not a health concern. There are just as much of those components in raw and pasteurized. The problem is that in the raw milk the bacteria still lives on.
It's like how there is an acceptable limit to how many ground up cockroaches and mouse shits you're allowed to have in wheat flour. If the level is low enough and you don't eat the flour raw, there is no problem.
You saying I can't pack raw flour in my lip like chewing tobacco?
That would not be good. However the more common case of using raw flour is eating raw cookie dough. It's not safe.
You can eat cookie dough if you toast the flour first and don't use raw egg.
Raw egg is fine, salmonella can live on the outside of the shell, but most eggs are washed before being packaged.
Oh, interesting. I thought it lived in the actual proteins. Do you have a source for that, btw?
Just my instructor when I took the Foodsafe course to work in restaurants. But I guess it can (rarely) get inside the egg. https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/meat-poultry-fish-seafood-safety/eggs.html
There is the option of pasteurization as well, but that requires very precise equipment. I don't think a home sous vide machine would be accurate enough to properly pasteurize an egg. At least that's what I read a while back. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah but that tends to be because of the whole egg component, salmonella is a bitch.
It's both.
Pro tip for those that have the itch: You can buy edible cookie dough made from sterilized components
its from the eggs which is often contaminated with samonella.
Careful. You might just accidentally start a new "raw flour" movement. It's better for your health! You can't restrict my freedom to eat raw flour!
This can be the new version of the cinnamon challenge. Yeah, go ahead, you are to eat at least 1 tablespoon of raw wheat flour every day, starting now. Clock's ticking!
isnt it trying to get high snorting cinnamon, nutmeg.
also the fact that people drink it straight form the TIT, or let sit ambient temperature for a while.
What you’re suggesting involves too much science and not enough faith. Remember, we’re dealing with a special kind of moron here.
Americans never trusted the French and Louis Pasteur.
/s!
In the US, democracy means that "my ignorance is as good as your [low temperature pasteurization]".
Luckily, this particular case of ignorance will work itself out. I just worry about any innocent children who have to suffer as a result, but it will eventually work itself out...
yes, but people listenign to RFK jr are unlikely to heed sanitary measures.
This is horrible.
I really wish the government would release some kind of guidance or documentation on the safe processing and packaging of milk so this sort of thing could be prevented. Really a shame that nobody does anything here, these poor innocent people probably had no idea their milk might possibly be contaminated....
oh wait...
So I have this book from the dark ages that tells you how to do a bunch of old timey farm things. You'll never guess what it says to do with raw milk: BOIL IT.
What's the name of the book? It sounds cool.
Back to Basics. I find copies every now a then at used book stores and online - some cheap, others not so much. It gets reprinted from time to time so there are copies around with different covers. My copy is from the 80s and I think it's also a reprint. There are also other books with the same title that cover wilderness and survival skills.
Edit: Found one
'Book'? What is that?
Oh wait I heard about those, it's a stack of cellulose pulp sheets with markings on them right?
I know some people say they are useful for something but I can't imagine what, as nobody ever taught me how to read them.
Pass the milk?
it's a stack of cellulose pulp sheets with markings on them right?
That was way too literate for the tone you intended
About 4 or 5 years ago, my neighbor's adult children (and by extension my neighbor) got really big into the raw milk craze. For awhile, he'd mention all the benefits compared to store bought milk that's homogenized & pasteurized and supposedly it's those processes that make it unhealthy.
I don't remember exactly when they stopped talking about raw milk, but at some point that topic stopped coming up anymore. Then one day, my neighbor told me he was going over to his daughter's to drop off a gallon of (store bought) milk, and I replied with something like "I thought she only drank raw milk".
That's when he told me that the family stopped drinking raw milk a while ago after everybody got sick from a bad batch.
Anyway, I have had raw milk as a child one time when a local farmer dropped some off for us to try. I don't recall it very well since I was pretty young but I vaguely remember not liking it because it tasted too much like the way cows smell and it was thicker (more viscous) than I was expecting so there was a bit of "gross factor". I'm sure it wouldn't be gross if I had grown up drinking it, though.
Almost anything can be consumed "raw" if the entire handling chain is working 100%. The reality is - even without capitalism - germs can spread pretty easily, people can make mistakes, and contamination is inevitable. Once you add capitalist incentives to cut corners, go faster, and produce more.... it's a disaster waiting to happen. The more popular raw milk gets, the more dangerous it will be.
The absolute safest way to drink raw milk is to pick it up directly from a farmer that you know, and that has a very low volume farm, and is very educated on the best handling and bottling processes. Again... the types of farmers that will be selling such a risky product aren't the ones you want to be buying from.
Raw milk is lower risk if it is one or two cows, and only one distributor - like "I know a cow". That said, yer still gonna get sick from it eventually. cow poop and milk sources are simply too close together.
- a guy who knows a cow or two.
Tell the cows I said hi.
Not just cows.
- a guy who loves goat milk
still pretty risky to begin with.
The real safest is right from a clean test of a healthy cow. But personally I don't like warm milk.
"bad batch" likely the milk was sitting at ambient temperature for more several hours or more before being served, which allows bacteria to grow, thats in addition to the bacteria already in the milk.
This is the dumbest headline ever.
Same with all the measles outbreaks and all the AntiVa/AntiMa Karens during Covid. I swear, some people seem hellbent on self-harm. It'd be one thing if it was only themselves they were harming.
We built a world so safe and so protected that the "edgy rebellioius" thing to do is abandon all of that and sound trendy it seems.
I'd bet many of these assholes were the ones that sat in school and grumbled about how they have "street smarts" and school wasn't practical and was about "book smarts" and it was a huge waste of their time because of what daddy and mommy already told them about the world.
Never getting equipped to understand how the world really works, how to distinguish sense from nonsense, how science works, and how to spot logical fallacies.
Some of them may have even stumbled their way through higher education, but missed out on really learning anything other than being able to (barely) do a job.
Now "doing their own research" via streamers, social media posts, random sites from influencers, etc...
This is right wing Idaho… many of these folks haven’t sat in a school for a day in their life. They were “home schooled” or went to a cultist religious school. The government distrust runs so deep that a bunch of them likely were born in their own home, never saw a doctor, never had a vaccination, and don’t legally exist on paper.
I’m not saying they don’t have any responsibility for their actions… but if you consider the environment they have been immersed in… they don’t really stand a chance.
And NOW we have graduating classes who don't even understand the absolute basics of their field because they slid through by leaning on AI! Hooray!trails off grumbling about how fucked we are
May i join you in shaking our fists at the clouds?
You may
grumble grumble damn kids GET OFF MY LAWN!!
Goddamn kids and their god damn phones why don't they just get them sewn into the palms of their hands
Yeah those are the people you see on Facebook who list "school of hard knocks" as their education background. Its typically some middle aged, divorced white guy wearing black Oakleys in his profile pic.
the anti-vax, flouride free, raw milk craze really took off with covid.
I live in Wisconsin. I was hanging out with my dairy farmer friend and for some reason raw milk came up and I mentioned it could easily make you sick.
This guy got visibly upset I remember and began telling me how wrong I was and that he knew better since he was a dairy farmer. I didn't press it but I knew that's the entire reason we pasteurize it.
Fuck you Chris you idiot 😂
I'm a professional milk grader for the dairy industry. It's my job to judge the milk safe for transport to facilities for processing. It's my job to literally go onto dairy farms, test and grade the milk, and pick it up.
We drink raw milk in our house because of it. The dairy farms all drink their own. I do so because I know it's safe for consumption at the farm. I would never recommend anyone just drink or consume raw milk. I would never in my life buy it from a store. I drink it because I know it's safe, and it's my job to make sure it's safe.
Once again though, do not recommend drinking raw milk.
Edit: For the record I'm also Canadian. Our standards for dairy farms and milk testing are astronomical compared to the USA. There's a reason Canada bans US milk in stores.
Edit: For the record I'm also Canadian. Our standards for dairy farms and milk testing are astronomical compared to the USA. There's a reason Canada bans US milk in stores.
That reason being Canada wants to maintain its own dairy industry.
It’s my job to literally go onto dairy farms, test and grade the milk, and pick it up.
Since we have you here, what are the main values you measure? Or if "main" is too vague, can you tell us what are the ones on which batches of milk fail most often? I'm just curious about how that all works
So I go into the dairy farms. I test visually, smell the milk, and taste the milk. I'm looking for anything that doesn't really taste like milk. Usually caused by over agitation, or the cow's feed changing the flavour of the milk. I take samples for testing at the dairy and also for fat content for the farmers. And I measure the volume of the tank.
Keep in mind I have a college diploma for this.
I've only rejected a handful of tanks in my career, the majority of them equipment failures. Like the agitator disconnecting from the motor so the milk doesn't move around in the tank, or the milk was too warm for pickup (Farmers have one hour after final milking to get the tank before 4C). I also work with the provincial dairy inspectors on things like farm improvements, or changes I think should be made to equipment or how something may be set up.
The only thing I don't test for is bacteria because we need specialized equipment for that which we can't do in the field. But that is always tested when delivering to the dairies before we get the thumbs up to unload it for processing.
If I fuck something up along the way and it turns out to be my fault, I could cost the company between $30-40,000 per trailer. So I need to be 100% sure before I put a milk tank onto my trailer.
Dude this is super interesting and thank you for the time and effort it takes to put all this into a Lemmy comment.
Can I ask: why isn’t it possible to transport lab equipment to conduct bacteriological tests on site? I worked for an ag tech firm and closely with our biologists. Is it because it takes time to culture on an agar plate?
Is it safe to drink fresh milk because bacteria haven’t had time to replicate?
Are there conditions that would mean the milk is unsafe straight out of the udder, maybe in a way that isn’t detectable by flavour?
Why and in what regard do U.S. regulatory standards differ from Canada?
Do you think that widespread antibiotic use in ag will breed superbugs? Is this avoidable somehow?
And finally, what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Cheers!
Sorry for the late reply. Wanted to wait til I got home to answer these as it's easier on PC. Fun part of my job though is most of my time is spent scrolling Lemmy.
Can I ask: why isn’t it possible to transport lab equipment to conduct bacteriological tests on site? I worked for an ag tech firm and closely with our biologists. Is it because it takes time to culture on an agar plate?
So at the plant they need to be calibrated every morning. That required spoiled milk to actually give a positive result in testing. So that would require us as drivers to always have spoiled milk on us at all times. They also take a while to test, up to around 5 minutes with the strip dipping into the milk and into the machine. We sometimes only have access to a 240V plug for our trailer pumps, so finding an outlet and a stable level surface can sometimes be impossible. One of the runs I do is 9 farms. Doing that 9 times would take forever.
Is it safe to drink fresh milk because bacteria haven’t had time to replicate?
Nope. Bacteria just exists. The level of it matters whether the plant rejects it or accepts it. Sometimes we'll get calls from farmers saying their samples from last week had seen increased bacteria levels (Still safe for production) and if there is something we can do about it. Nope. It could be anything from the milking equipment not getting washed well enough, not enough iodine on the cow's teats before milking, something collecting in the pipes, or the wash of the bulk tank not hot enough. There are a dozen reasons a farmer might see increased bacteria.
But if the milk is delivered into the tank right after milking and begins to cool immediately, it limits the replication by a remarkable amount. It's also why we have farm priority when we arrive on site and other vehicles are required by law to move for us, because time does matter.
Are there conditions that would mean the milk is unsafe straight out of the udder, maybe in a way that isn’t detectable by flavour?
Yup, and it's always not seen by the farmer which is where we come in. I had a farm a few years ago that when I opened the tank and inspected it, there was a hint of pink in the milk. That would be linked to blood in the utter of a cow. While sometimes things just happen and the cow herself is likely perfectly okay, that would obviously be a rejection before I even open the back of my trailer.
Why and in what regard do U.S. regulatory standards differ from Canada?
While I don't have all the details, we prohibit antibiotics in cows. Farms can and do treat cows for being sick all the time, but they need to be removed from the main herd and milked after the main run is complete. Antibiotics is the main reason for a rejection for a trailer at a plant. We also have specifics when it comes to grain feeding, but most farmers in my province just feed hay and silage from their own farms every year. Basically, we don't allow any form of drugs to be given to a cow and then milked into the main supply. If a cow is sick they must be milked afterwards and that milk is dumped until a certain amount of time since last medication.
Among other laws. Our regulations over dairy is stupid strict.
Do you think that widespread antibiotic use in ag will breed superbugs? Is this avoidable somehow?
It's already happening in some places that I know of, but I don't know enough about it to answer properly.
And finally, what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
African or European? Regardless of your answer, the answer is 42.
Thank you so much for responding to my many questions!
Fascinating. A unique perspective I would never get otherwise.
Interesting that you have priority by law, and that prophylactic antibiotics are not used (good!)
42 is correct.
Hello fellow Wisconsinite
Madison represent!
Who cares, honestly.
People do stupid things and bear the consequences.
In this messed up timeline where people dont want to avail themselves of basic health interventions and food hygiene theyre welcome to fuck themselves IMO.
Problem is these ppl have kids. I have no problem with adults killing themselves due to stupidity but it's another thing when they do it to their kids
They are potentially spreading disease (bacterial gastroenteritis). So, hopefully they wash their hands after pooing to contain transmission. Immunocompromised people that share a bathroom and other surfaces with them are particularly susceptible
Hoping that people so backwards about food hygiene would wash their hands after pooping is a big leap of faith...
Need to bring back the concept of leper colonies and dump all these anti-vax and anti-pasteurization people in them. Quarantine them away until enough of them die off that the rest decide maybe this was all a really dumb idea.
At least stop letting them into crowded events, public schools and transit, etc.
I remember in the early 70's as a young teen, I mentioned to a friends mother that I had heard that unpasteurized milk should be more healthy.
She went into an absolute hissy fit, about it being irresponsible and people used to get sick from that shit.
I guess that was when I truly realized that not everything you hear should be trusted. Not even when it's from people who claim to have special knowledge on a subject.
The "alternative" scene truly is full of bullshit and falsehoods. Be very very careful before following any advice from that kind of people, and NEVER trust them over solid science.
Hilarious, aside from the children that I'm sure got sick
Yeah it's not the kids fault but at the same time they will likely grow up ignorant and MAGA.
Given enough circumstances like these, the kids will have no choice but to reject them or die.
The key for the Republican party is to find that fine line where you give someone enough brain damage to support their policies, but not so much that they die.
Turns out it's not a very fine line.
Brain damage is like scratching someone's face out of a picture. Break just the right part and you have someone perfectly capable of doing math but has 0 empathy. Edit: not to mean that scratching someone's face out of a picture = you have no empathy.
Case in point, masters in Mathematics that I work with. I have a sneaking suspicion that he was exposed to copious amounts of lead as a child, oh also he has a large cyst on his forehead. I wouldn't mention it, except he has repeatedly pointed out that that is the exact point where he would slam his skull into other football players. To the point of wearing down the padding inside the helmet.
Now, am I saying his brain is leaking into the cyst? I don't know, but he voted for Trump and gets paid more than me — so you be the judge.
Some of them won't get to grow up
You’re not a true Patriot if your milk is pasteurized. What are you, some kind of blue haired, gender-confused libtard? Only bitches and minorities drink pasteurized milk.
Is what I would say if I wanted as many fascists to drink raw milk as possible
It's their right as Americans to drink the milk with shit in it
And they owned the libs bigly.
Oh No!
ANYWAY...
The Department of Health and Welfare didn't disclose the names of dairies in North Idaho and southern Idaho that are linked to the outbreaks.
I guess doing that would be "DEI" or "woke" or something.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0362028X22087610
The absolute drudgery of labor that was required before pasteurization is astronomical by today's standards.
Also raw milk and it's association with purity goes back a long way, and has other disturbing undertones.
https://brewminate.com/milkmaids-and-the-image-of-female-purity-in-the-18th-and-19th-centuries/
Very interesting articles, thank you for sharing.
I also learned a word: peculating
Waiting for leprosy and bubonic plague to make a big comeback.
they would have manhandle some armadillos and prairie dogs.
Back in my day we used to boil the milk for safety.
Oh wait ... they still do that.
So the average IQ is going up... I see that as a win.
I wish the best for the poor kids, if any, who got sick from their abusive, dipshit parents; for the rest, I wish the bacteria the best in making better use of their brains than they ever could.
LET'S GO DARWIN
Nice. I hope their collective dozens of brain cells have learned something.
Don’t worry, they haven’t.
What’s funny is that they’re dumb enough to do this, but someone will be “clever” enough to find a way to blame Biden.
I thought they all shared one.
Maybe I'm painting with a broad brush but I'd wager these dummies are the "sharing is communism" types.
FAFO
These people are so stupid and if they were not endangering children I could be content to watch them keep trying to kill themselves.
They're endangering all of us.
And by all of us I mean the entire fucking planet because, unfortunately, what America does affects everyone.
Lol, lmao, even lmfao. Darwin coming back with malice.
Fafo
I get ultra-pasteurized milk.
I've only seen it in the half-gallon cardboard boxes, not the plastic one-gallon containers. But, I only go through half-a gallon a week, so I've never looked too hard for ultra-pasteurized in the plastic containers.
EDIT: Having looked into it a bit, what we get here in the U.S. called "ultra-pasteurized" is not quite the same as UHT. The ultra-pasteurized still needs to be refrigerated, but the expiration date is a couple of months off rather than a few days. I didn't really set out to get it, I wanted organic to avoid the antibiotics, and I wanted the cardboard box instead of the plastic box. The one I picked also happens to be ultra-pasteurized, the only benefit for which I previously associated was a longer expiration date, but I now hope adds a bit extra protection, since the whole stupid raw milk thing started and who knows what that means exactly for processing now.
You mean the UHT stuff? Is it called something else in the US for some reason?
In technical contexts UHT refers to the packaging being sterile and airtight as well, whereas ultra-pasteurization is more specific to the product having been treated. In common usage they are the same and OP is indeed refering to the same cartons of milk commonly sold around the world.
they usually state it on the carton if UPM, and i see mostly few brands that solely sell it. most other brands sell the pastuerized version.
Oh no! Anyway…
I'm beginning to think that these numbskulls are drinking it directly from the fucking can.
I think they are drinking the steer milk
Out of force of habit.
Idahocapitalsun is one of the real ones. That and boise dev
"Pasteur" sounds fruity anyway, foreigner?
Darwin Awards are continuing to pack to the rafters.
Sometimes I wish we hadn't get rid of evolutionary pressure in the way that we did. In ancient times, they would've died from this and hopefully not reproduced. Unfortunately, so many things that are stupid now carry almost no risk or at least much much less.
I'm glad of course it is like this, because it means that people who shouldn't have died also benefit from improved medicine etc, so I don't really want those times to return. But still, sometimes...
I think it's less about they would have died without having kids, and more about they would have died in some isolated village and their ideas would have died with them.
Now they're all over the internet spreading their shitty thinks like viruses.
That's not how humans have ever worked. Superstitious behavior exists in any animal that has the capability to learn.
Every single group of humans has had bad habits created and spread among themselves. Now we have the ability to learn both the good and the bad impacts. There are absolutely people who saw this news story and realized that raw milk is a bad idea.
There are also groups of people who saw this news story and didn't learn, but as a species we are far better off than we were.
Good
The MAGA clowns can carry on guzzling down raw milk and they might have piss poor health insurance too.
its also the crowd that would go flouride free and wonder why thier cavaties are still here or thier '' teeth become sensitive'.(since alot of these flouride free toothpaste have excessive amounts of whitening products in it.
Idaho is a wild fucking state. The number of nutballs that have moved there and occupied it is mind blowing.
THEY NEED MORE HERD IMMUNITY
Yeah bitches.
Clearly they weren't using the approved method, which is via a raccoon penis straw.
Crying over milk spilt for completely different reasons.
They prolly get the raw milk for health reasons, to use on their Lucky Charms.
Good. Stupid choices beget stupid consequences.
Hope they die and Louis pasture tortures them in hell
Natural selection
I know exactly one person in Idaho. I hope that they did not fall prey to these raw milk shenanigations.
germs so tasty
stupidity has a cost
I'm a big supporter of idiots learning the hard way, except when it comes to infectious diseases.
They don't learn.
And now we violated their HIPAA!
Thank you for misspelling it properly for the joke lol
I didn't know they had leopards in Idaho...
fun fact: milk in a lot of countries are ALLOWED to contain somatic cells (think the pus that comes out of pimples when you squeeze them). It's a high number of somatic cells per ml. Got milkpus?
Thanks for the interesting fact, I never thought about cells being in milk. I looked up some more info, sharing for others who might be interested:
The legal limits are 750'000 cells per milliliter in the US and 400'000 cells per milliliter in the EU. The somatic cells found in milk are mostly white blood cells, so their number is taken as an indicator of infection in the cows the milk stems from.
Both these values are quite a bit higher than the threshold value of 200'000-300'000 cells per milliliter that are taken as a sign of mastitis in an individual cow. I don't really see why the legal limit would be higher.
And finally for comparison: In blood you'd expect between 4.5 million and 11 million per milliliter. For pus it seems the estimates are very wide, because it depends on how much dead tissue and bacteria is mixed in, I'm seeing 10 million to 100 million per milliliter
Sounds like the gene pool getting a little cleaner to me.
I mean… Adults shouldn’t really be drinking milk regardless… It’s full of all kinds of hormones that don’t do anything but give adults cancer since adults aren’t growing anymore.
Can you give a source on that
Here you go. As with a great many things, more research needs to be done on the subject and it depends on the cancer, the dairy, and the person.
I mean like an ACTUAL source.
Because I like milk, but this is the first I've ever heard about milk outright causing cancer.
If that's actually the case, I should probably reconsider consuming milk. But... Uhh... I'm not convinced at this point. Do you have a better source?
It’s nonsense pseudo-naturalist bullshit. If people want to talk about anything being “unnatural” then look at the broad and general world around you, as well as the absurdist history of humans, and learn to shut the fuck up. We can eat and sustain ourselves off of god damned near anything, that’s the biggest part of our whole niche of overwhelmingly successful evolution. Any something out there will give some random someone out there cancer, it’s nothing to do with how we’re “supposed” to do things (because there is no such thing.), it’s just how variables are going to work when there are 9 billion too many of us bumbling around out there. That’s just a fuck load of unavoidable and unpredictable genetic variation. Does this mean eating peanuts or legumes in general is “unnatural” since they just outright fucking murder humans at a rate that makes any dairy allergy or intolerance look like a pretty fucking stupid thing to show any level concern for.
We managed to not only survive but very much thrive specifically because we are able to sustain on anything we can get our hands on, very much including the milk of anything that’s got the tits for it.
To be honest though stressing about it is probably worse than the milk so you do you.
Forget adults, humans in general shouldn't be drinking cow's milk. That's the entire reason it needs to be pasteurized.
I thought the whole point of pasteurization was to increase shelf life, not make a product safe to consume.
That is a two for one deal. Pasteurization kills bacteria, which both increases the shelf life and make it safe to consume!
its both.
If you drank the unpasteurized mixed breast milk of a hundred human women I almost guarantee you will get sick. Any body fluid, from both humans and mammals, is a huge health risk in its raw form. Infants are OK because they only drink from one and whatever disease the mom has, the baby is almost guaranteed to have already got anyway from the constant close contact.
An adult would probably be okay if they only drank from a single human too, at least, depending on the human.
There's just no sustainable or practical way for every single adult to have their own milker, regardless of species.
Fucking food and needing to be cooked.