"I love seeing protesters shot in the face, triggered yet, librul???"
13d 13h ago by lemmy.world/u/Godric in politicalmemes
Tankies are so weird. I’m sure some of them are true believers, but I get the feeling most of them just want to watch the western world burn and kinda don’t care how it happens.
Well, and then there’s the fact that posts like this always get swarmed by users from .ml and other similar instances (around the time that the eastern hemisphere wakes up) with the message “both sides bad”
I'm sure there's also a population of tankies that don't understand truly what they are saying and are just vaguely repeating talking points from their favorite podcaster/streamer.
It would certainly explain why every argument with a tankie fits into 1 of about 6 of the same arguments with slightly different flavor.
That's definitely the case with my ex. He used to parrot the "Russia had to invade Ukraine because NATO! It was self defence!" and I'm pretty sure he was just parroting whatever he heard on Joe Rogan and the other far right rabbit holes that led him to.
Well at least he's your ex.
I don't think you know what a tankie is.
The west bad, Russia less bad. I don't see how this is controversial. How many unjustifiable wars and how many dead civilians has the west produced in the last 75 years?
Sounds like he was a fascist, not a tankie.
"tankies support fascism"
thats a new one
What 0 political education does to a motherfucker, lol.
Do you know how many people of Russian descent the Ukrainian government murdered prior to Russia invading?
Wayyyyyy too many young-adults tune into Hasan and believe he makes sense as he panders to his twitch chat for profit. I'm more and more convinced that this is Russo/China infiltration attempting to wedge-drive the left and distort reality. There are people on here who will complain about US imperialism on the daily but then turn a complete blind eye to Chinese or Russian atrocities conveniently. One can only conclude they're spreading the kool-aid, or chugging it.
Lmfao
Lmao, you seriously think libs are somehow on left? democrats are literally a centrist to center right party in any sane country and also they are extremely pro capitalist (and so does its 90% base), what is left about that? and stop blaming china and russia for your own incompetence
It would certainly explain why every argument with a tankie fits into 1 of about 6 of the same arguments with slightly different flavor.
Butwhatabout <insert something shitty the US has done that nobody has condoned or even mentioned during the current discussion about China while completely ignoring the discussion about things China is doing>? You don't seem to have any problem with that, huh?
I'm sure there's also a population of tankies that don't understand truly what they are saying and are just vaguely repeating talking points from their favorite podcaster/streamer.
I fee like some of them are neurodivergent and don't realise it. I was listening to an interview of a former neo-Nazi and he mentioned many of those who get sucked in by the far-right are very likely to be undiagnosed autistic. I imagine the same happening with the far-left tankie circles, given the childish statements they constantly make and the perpetual online presence.
This is not an attack on neurodivergent folks by the way, and sorry if my comment sounds like I rub anyone the wrong way, but it is quite common for any extremist movements to try to recruit vulnerable people in some capacity, either those who are emotionally or mentally vulnerable, or both.
The thing about us neurodivergent people is that we’re people, which means we’re as vulnerable as any other group. Some might be more vulnerable than non-neurodivergent individuals others might be less. There is a broad spectrum of neurodivergence. I happen to be one of the less vulnerable. My autism predisposed me to questioning and trying to truly understand what I hear and why.
Your comment did rub me the wrong way because to say that we neurodivergent folk are particularly vulnerable to these sorts of things (extremism) is belittling. I know you tried to mean well but that is simply what it is. We are a broad spectrum of people. Same as you.
"they must have mental problems"
How woke of you.
Well, you tell me.
I'll tell you that when a liberal is scratched, a fascist bleeds.
yes, only libs are the enlightened one.
Well, when you categorize everyone on the planet who isn't an ML as a liberal, that cuts down on the options.
anarchists are liberals anyways
Exactly my point. If you categorize the vast majority of people as liberals, any given subset of people is fairly likely to be entirely contained within that majority.
Depending on the time of the day and mood, they call anyone fascists instead.
It's like they didn't even bother trying to grasp what you said
I mean, I am more on the anarchistic/libertarian side of communism and certainly no ML nut even I think that most self proclaimed anarchists are cosplaying libs. Where I live there are two kinds of anarchists, the ones that just take drugs instead of doing any organising and the ones that actually organise and form alliances with generally likeminded groups. Sadly the second kind is vastly outnumbered by the first.
You've stumbled upon a dichotomy that exists in every ideology: those who have the skills, resources, and will to organize, and those who don't. Most MLs don't organize either, nor most neoliberals, or monarchists, or any other group. Organizing is difficult and time-consuming. An awful lot of people in this late capitalist hellscape have their hands full just trying to survive.
They organize enough to meet up to take their drugs and they also go to protests. They just don't want to actually plan stuff because planning teams are authoritarian or some bullshit. There is a reason why most of the more successful anarchist organisations work more and more like ml parties
because the first kind is real anarchism i.e. armchair resistance which does not threaten the state or the capitalist system
in the current system most active political people are liberals, from the MAGAts to wokechuds to anraKKKidies
you need to go back and take some politics class, anarchists are not politcally aligned to one party or any group for the most part.
because they do nothing and possess no threat to bourgeosie state apparatus.
I'm with them on the US at least, it has had way too much power to just trample anyone it feels like. Obviously not worth all the effects from what Trump has done but...
I struggle to understand how the collapse of the United States would do anything but make life worse for literally everyone on the planet for decades if not longer.
You want to make things better? Change the system from within slowly. You want to accidentally make things much much worse? Burn a system down and watch what emerges be horrible beyond what you could imagine.
When was the last time a system remotely this bad was actually redeemed slowly? The Mongols were defeated by disease, storms, and violence; the Nazis were defeated by extreme violence; the Japanese Empire was defeated by extreme violence; the French monarchy and Napoleon were defeated by extreme violence; the Russian monarchy was defeated by extreme violence.
Things get worse before they get better with a revolution, but they can get better. That isn't to say that we should decline to reduce harm inside the current system, but it seems naive to expect the current system to stop being terrible. Harm reduction is a temporary measure.
Let’s go with one of your examples, and I think the quintessential one: France, 1792. The monarchy is crumbling. It’s terrible. Let’s burn it all down. Yay! The monarchy is over!
Wait, what now? War with Austria for no reason? Executing tons of nonviolent and political prisoners? Terror as a form of government (that killed more peasants than aristocrats)? Coups and counter-coups and then Napoleon who plunges Europe into basically the zeroth world war. Millions die. Napoleon is eventually defeated, twice.
What came after? A slightly reformed (1814), and then slightly more reformed (1830), Bourbon monarchy. Boy, I bet the third estate might have preferred to get to that kinda boring reformed era a little faster and without all the dead people. (I guess I don’t blame the third estate, I blame Danton. But still.)
And then they overthrew that monarchy, had a second republic for four years, Napoleon III declared himself emperor, the empire collapsed, and they had a third republic, which was overthrown by the Nazis, and then a fourth republic after the Nazis lost, which only lasted another twelve years before they changed enough laws to call it #5.
Boy, I bet they would have preferred to skip ahead to overthrowing the monarchs indefinitely.
And how the absolute fuck do you propose they could have reformed a monarchy that responded to protests with violence? Even the French don't overthrow their government without giving it a chance to respond to their demands.
It's like suggesting that a union get concessions without striking. Sure, they'd like to, but if the company refuses to negotiate, there's only one (legal) path forward.
The third estate had effectively politically overthrown the old regime by like day five of the estates general. There would still be a king, but the clergy-nobility-commons divide was gone and there would be representative government. Not enough, obviously, but a step in the right direction.
Denton decided the people he didn’t like needed to die and that sent things spinning out toward murderville for everyone, including eventually himself. Basically everyone who would have built upon those small steps fled the country or were murdered. Many of them were shitheads, yes. But I think France would have been better off without the head-choppy parts of the revolution.
That doesn't seem compatible with the summaries I've found. I'm not an expert by any means, but it looks like the constitutional monarchy you mentioned was repeatedly sabotaged by Louis XVI until he was violently deposed. You can argue against his beheading the following January all you like, but deposing him was not a change from within, it was a violent revolution. They stormed the palace and threw him in jail.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-great-french-revolution-1789-1793#toc27
Yeah, Louis XVI was not going along with the program willingly. But on occasion he felt the need to at least pretend to, and made some concessions, and told his asshole brother to stop making such a fuss in exile.
I guess the whole thing just contrasts with what was happening across the channel in the same time period. England / the UK did not have a violent revolution in 1848 like the French, Austrians, Prussians, and Italians did. A bunch of smaller German states avoided it too. Because their leaders saw the writing on the wall and made small concessions. It’s not like the late 1800s were a great time in those places, but they ended up in similar spots as the more violent revolutionary -> reactionary -> liberalizing places did but without all the suffering that came with (admittedly cathartic) chucking bricks and chopping heads.
"Tear it all down" is for weak minded imbeciles who get frustrated trying to confront issues and think of practical resolutions.
I find "tear it all down" people hilarious. Like... yea, ok, we'll tear it all down. And who's gonna rebuild after? You and your keyboard?
revolutionaries will do it, just like the bolsheviks did.
The Bolsheviks relied on existing structures, functionaries and specialists because they HAD to. Nothing else was possible, they existed in the real world in the midst of a civil war, not some childish fantasy.
Trotsky aggressively recruited Tsarist military officers, many of which served without really aligning with Bolshevism.
And just a few other facts to add: world war, civil war, famine, coercion, mass violence, dependemce on inherited infrastructure and harsh repression. That's what you want for the US? Because real people, the ones not playing make believe on the internet, do not.
I never denied that revolutionaries in the US shouldnt utilize already existing state apparatus, do you even understand what collapsing means?
Change requires sacrifices, but american left thinks americans need to babysat into revolution, america is already inflicting civil war, famine, coercion, mass violence and harsh repression on many countries.
you should study history instead of bullshit. only thing you got right in your profile is wannabe
I am more aware about history than avg american lib whose ideology is shaped by pedophile billionaire owned media.
yes, i am sure you are aware history exists. you need to actually learn what happened though.
ironical, youre literally an american
see how little it takes to make you admit you're a nationalist?
I hate Nazi Germany, I guess I'm a nationalist
do you even know what nationalism means
No, it's for people outside the relative bubble of safety you enjoy in the imperial core. Your country has been on the wrong side of every war it's fought since WWII, resulting in the deaths of tens of millions of innocent civilians. You've had 80 years to get your shit together, you don't get unlimited chances. Death to America.
hilarious to say this as your entire political position is to vote every 4 years and slowly see the people moving closer towards fascism and still saying "we will do it slowly!!"
I vote more often than that and if more people did, society would be more aligned with that they want. But most don't, because stupid fucking morons like yourself convince them it doesn't matter.
Voting does matter
Voting democrats however dont
Voting democrats however dont
Are you aware that not enough people vote 3rd party for a 3rd party to be viable?
Are you aware that no 3rd party is putting in the effort to make people want to vote for them?
Are you aware that it's possible to reform political parties, but not if we descend to deeply into actual fascism due to an actual fascist party being in control?
So wouldn't it make sense, in that scenario, to vote for a party that isn't actually fascist (despite what tankies believe) so that we can have a less oppressive situation that is more likely to foster the kind of change that could potentially make a 3rd party viable some day?
I mean, unless you want to become a historical figure by starting a violent revolution. For which I hope you have a post-war plan so things don't collapse even more.
If you dont try to build a 3rd party, they will never become viable
You cant reform a liberal imperialist party like the democrats who have a long history of pursuing imperialist capital goals. Its like saying "we will reform nazi party to be sympathetic to jews"
If you dont try to build a 3rd party, they will never become viable
Have at it, champ. Maybe you should go talk to those 3rd parties and tell them to.....do something?
I guess in the meantime your goal is to whine about the only party that can win that isn't actually fascist. Yes, I know you think both are equally fascist. I don't care and am not responding to a stupid sentiment like that.
Even you know both parties are:
- Pro american hegemony
- White supremacist
- Zionist
- Capitalist
- Imperialist
The only thing they differ is on the culture war. There is not much difference if you really look at it
Maybe you should go talk to those 3rd parties and tell them to…do something?
I mean you guys call names to people who vote and organize for those parties, proves they are doing stuff for sure.
Ok. I've read enough of your comments.
What's your solution to our general problem and what are you personally doing about it?
I am not an american to do anything about it
My solution is to organize in an alternative party that is out of the bourgeoisie imperialist democratic party and put candidates from those parties in elections, however elections would be just one part, keep organizing and keep spreading class consciousness. If you are looking for immediate leftist gains through electoralism vote for a 3rd party that already has significant base like for example the green party.
Why would it automatically be "horrible beyond what you could imagine"? I have watched the US murder thousands of people through illegal wars, poison the entire planet, and now for years the US has supported an open genocide in Gaza, not to mention previous genocidal regimes propped up by the US.
The things I have seen are already literally more horrible than I could have imagined. I wouldn't imagine they would send a Tomahawk missile into a crowded elementary school, and especially wouldn't imagine they would hit it two more times, ensuring nearly every young girl in a small town was killed. I wouldn't have imagined these things years ago except maybe from a country like Nazi Germany. But I've seen it, and there is ample evidence, and we know that there is more that they do in the shadows that we might never know. Tell me why we shouldn't stop it as quickly as possible? What would you say to the parents of these children? People have been pushing for change slowly and steadily for the entire history of the US and we are still a bloodthirsty, heartless monster, imprisoning more people than have ever been held in history.
I have watcheed the US murder thousands of people through illegal wars
Millions.Take Vietnam and the completely illegal bombing of Cambodia and Laos alone, and you're already at millions.
Fuck it, throw Korea in there and we're at tens of millions.
Sure, let’s take a government that controls tens of thousands of nuclear weapons and just make it cease to function. Who gets them? Who decides if they stay in their silos? Are they turned on regional rivals first, or does someone who wants a particular ethnic group to disappear send some to one part of the world?
Just think for a second. It can always get worse. Billions.
Sure the nazis are killing millions, but do we really need to take military action? Who will take up the power vacuum? It can always get worse. Billions. With a B. Shocked yet? Yeah, that’s what I thought.
We are in the middle of a historic mass extinction event because of the global ecocide commited by the wealthy elite. We will ALL suffer immensely and billions will die if nothing is done to stop them. Saying we can't do anything because it will just get worse is a position only the very privileged could take, able to ignore the massive bloodshed happening every day.
I sort of agree with you but the chance for that is over. I can't come up with a single way to change anything slowly at this point. We've had 46 years of pillaging the working class and now we're about to get nuked by an illegal IPO during the biggest bubble we've ever seen. Please help me understand how we'll have the option to change anything once Palantir rolls out the robot dogs next year.
- Stop consuming cynical media that feeds on your anxiety for engagement
- Go outside and connect with your neighbors
- Don’t complain about things being impossible to fix online until you’ve done steps 1 and 2
I've attempted to connect with my neighbors. They all worship Trump and are currently flying homophobic flags cause they hate that it's pride month.
Ah yes, the "wish it, want it, do it" approach to societal change. Well played. /s
I'm calling you naive, to be clear.
Ah yes, the “complain on the internet but do nothing” approach, which is obviously more productive
Oh by golly you're right! I'll be right out there with you. We'll sing a song, and if we're lucky, we can wish on a falling star and end world hunger!
You’re misrepresenting what I’m saying into something that’s easier to argue against.
I’m saying that the vast majority of people are comfortable enough (read: not literally starving) that they aren’t ready to go do something drastic. But they are annoyed enough to go do something less huge but still meaningful. I am encouraging people to go do that.
I banded together with the other people in my building to get some rent concessions and force our landlord to fix shit they had left broken for months. It’s not overthrowing a fascist state, but it’s a start to working communally against a wealthier class.
What have you done lately except yell at people who you mostly agree with but aren’t as cynical as you?
Go outside and connect with your neighbors
RIP autistic people
You’re trying to frame me as someone who is being ableist, but you’re the one who’s saying autistic people can’t go outside and talk to people.
I think they can, and it might be difficult, but it’s worth it.
Idk I've tried that a lot in the past and have had mostly bad results
Been doing 1 and 2 but thanks for the assumptions. Good luck with the petitions.
I think more what I meant was, I prefer none of this have happened, but when trump and his fellow cult members choose to do something insane, I'm pretty happy to see the rest of the world cutting us out of their decision making so this insanity is seen as unacceptable.
Lmao, this reads like a CIA psyop. Death to the American experiment. You guys can try again with a new constitution, my advice is to leave the slavery out this time.
.ml
account is two days old
lol
Is that a problem? I did use .world for a few years but I found the libs defending israel disgusting, then I lurked for a few months and decided it would be a good home.
I also noticed you didn't respond to anything in my comment.
Lol
I did respond, in so far as nothing you said was worth responding to.
Aight well good luck with your incremental change, lmao.
Good luck with your revolutionary change that you’ll sit around and talk about but never act upon, lmao.
Not my country but unfortunately it's everyone's problem.
Its hilarious how you think US does even one bit of good to the world
Collapse of tsarist russia made soviet union which was much better for the world. Collapse of USA will do much much better things for rest of humanity
When you grow up you're going to come to understand that politics/countries/humans can't be boiled down to black and white. There are many shades of grey.
The U.S. isn't JUST evil. That you think so indicates that you aren't ready to have a real discussion.
There are alot of nuances to this, however it boils down to US being evil.
It seems like a lot of them honestly think that if a liar says something, it must be a lie. They realized that our government lies, and immediately flipped everything they thought they knew to the opposite of what they thought it was.
"The US, which suppresses its own citizens, said that Russia, China, and North Korea suppress their own citizens? That must mean they're awesome! Ignore personal accounts from people who live or escaped from there, if the US says it's bad, it must be good, no question!"
Like, yeah, both sides are bad. Suppressing your citizens is bad. We need to be rising up as citizens across the world to take the power back from all dictatorial governments everywhere, not arguing about which one is the worst as if that makes the others better.
I get the feeling most of them just want to watch the western world burn and kinda don’t care how it happen
And if you aren't their specific brand of tank you can burn too.
"Both sides bad" is a litmus test. If someone says it unironically it lets me know what IQ range they fall within.
America is bad. Capitalism is bad. American capitalism is a cancer that's literally destroying the world to enrich 1000 of the worst people you've ever heard of. What range do I fall in?
Tankies are weird because it's mostly genuinely good ideas of justice and fairness tied to a century old wagon full of some of the worst ideas the world has ever seen. Eventually they get consumed by the bad actor propaganda because of this.
Socialism already had a very successful rebrand but being happy with your house and EV with a social safety net in northern europe it's just too boring for them. Not enough tanks and iconography I guess.
coming from a liberal? what a joke lmao
Like when German communists helped the Nazis and worked against the social democrats, because reasons.
But to be fair: Some tankie cried to me that the social democrats deserved that. And the Jews. And the Gypsies. And Poland.
The KPD strat of declaring the SDP "social fascists" and refusing all cooperation was certainly a move. Maybe they shouldn't have waited until they were both in camps to work together.
What about when the libs worked with the nazis govt for decades?
It's hilarious that people still imagine libs to be some force for good.
It’s hilarious that people still imagine libs to be some force for good.
I just know which of the two ideologies that can win elections in America is compatible with the future and vote for them. It's pretty simple when you don't overcomplicate things by whining.
Nazis were social democrats as well
Not to mention who hired friekorps to murder revolutionaries?
They pretended to be social democrats to gain support of the mass. In practice they were not social democrats.
"not real social democratism"
Are you seriously implying that it's a No True Scotsman fallacy to ever exclude anyone from any group? The Nazis didn't even call themselves socdems, they called themselves socialists. That's the same system that the PRC says it has right now; are they Nazis? Were the Soviets Nazis?
Very few arguments can be evaluated based on form alone. You have to check for external consistency. The Nazis were not socialists because they did not advocate for worker ownership over the means of production. They were not socdems because they did not advocate for universal public services. They were nationalist because they did advocate for national supremacy and closed (but expanding) borders.
they called themselves national socialists
you are an anarchist, you would definitely think the soviet union was worse than nazis and PRC is fascist.
If I call myself a giant, I don’t suddenly and magically grow to be 30’ tall. What people call themselves means nothing.
I was using that to illustrate that that line of thinking was stupid.
Anyone who says that the PRC is fascist, is by default not a tankie though
You probably think the DPRK is a democracy too. ‘It’s in the name.”
Can you describe how they were if that's your proposition?
Because no, they weren't social democrats in any meaningful way and even a basic understanding of their economic policy would tell you that.
Saying that is about as stupid and uninformed as it gets.
Please, seriously please, look into actual nazi policies and ask yourself if those policies fit the claim.
Please look at the actions of the nazis. E.g. the Night of the long knives. Or ask if the systematic murders of disabled people, would be something that fits with social Democrats values.
Every historian with a focus on nazi germany disagrees with you.
democratic socialism is moderate wing of fascism
Social Democracy is not the same as democratic socialism. (E.g. germany understands itself as a social democracy but don't do socialism nor democratic socialism)
The nazi murdered democratic socialists though.
Could you define fascism and socialism, please? For the sake of the argument, as you seem confused over social democracy and democratic socialism.
Why not give your definitions? Why not define liberalism since it's the topic at hand?
This kind of definitionalism obscures the obvious reality that liberals and nazis collaborated for a long time. Perhaps always.
Because that guy uses words without knowing their meaning. That is why I want his definition. So he either acknowledge his lack of knowledge or learn or stay silent.
Except social democrats are not liberals.
they are the same thing, anything else is cope.
Nope.
Democratic socialism is socialism. So the idea that workers should own the mean of production. But it is Democratic. So the government should be Democratic.
Social democracy is capitalism. But that it should be Democratic and soften the weakness of capitalism by providing social programs.
You see, 1 is capitalism, the other is socialism.
workers owning means of production is inherently democratic, you dont need an additional democratic label for that.
Both of them are capitalism
Socialism is not the same as democratic.
Socialism describe how Property right should work.
Democratic describe how the government works.
Both are independent Ideologies.
Socialism is not capitalism and to claim that is ridiculous.
any examples of what is a democratic socialism and what is a social democracy in real life
It would be easier to draw distinction
The distinction is between socialism and capitalism.
There are no democratic socialist countries.
Germany is a social democracy.
There are no democratic socialist countries.
are there any that has ever existed?
Well, tankies might disagree with me on some of this.
Democratic socialism got popular under socialist that opposed the Soviet Union.
China would like to be seen as democratic and would like to be socialistic but they are effectively a one party system (not very democratic) and they have special economic zones and simplified: the state owns the meaning of production and the worker only by proxy. China admit that they aren't socialist yet but that they are working towards it. So currently not socialist, and the state owned means of production is in conflict with democratic socialism (or at least, that is my opinion and given that it became popular in opposition to the Soviet Union, I think I have a good case for that)
The whole state owned means of production issue and/or 1 party system, tend to be the reasons why no country was considered a democratic socialist country to my knowledge.
As a tankie I disagree with you. (Multiparty doesnt mean democracy)
If there is no example of "democratic socialism" yet then its acceptable to say its hogwash and presents no threat to status quo. I am not even getting into how would it be achieved
I never said multiparty means democracy. But okay.
Who said it was hogwash? Who said it presents no threat to status quo?
We are talking about how the nazis weren't socialist, or social Democrats. And how you don't know the difference between social democracy and democratic socialism. And to say that you are a tankie after saying that socialism is capitalism, is wild.
I never said multiparty means democracy
You certainly implied that saying leninist revolutions (like in china and russia) led to single party systems which arent democratic
I mean you are not able to give single example of what you would consider "democratic" socialism, neither of present nor historic and the way these terms are used interchangeably in modern discourse its easy to conclude that democratic socialism is the same as social democracy.
They aren't used interchangeably? Unless you are talking about people who also use communism and socialism interchangeably, then sure but i don't think we should have a discussion on nazi politics based on utter lack of knowledge what words mean.
I implied that historically speaking Leninist Revolution led to single party systems? I mean yeah. That is just fact.
But you understand how saying "1 party systems aren't democratic" doesn't mean "multiparty systems are democratic"? If anything, it means "multiparty is one of the requirements of a democracy".
e.g. i don't think America is a proper democracy. Technically speaking, a person with 21% of the votes could win the presidential election. Yes, even if the other candidate has 79% of the votes. The obvious corruption and Oligarchy is another issue. I would argue that the use of voting computers makes them undemocratic. And there are probably more reasons but I am lazy.
Exactly so not being multiparty doesnt make one necessarily undemocratic even by your standards because being multipart is just one of the requirements
What? Do you understand logic?
If something fails to fulfill 1 requirement, It can't pass anymore, otherwise it is not a requirement.
If you are not a woman, you can't be a 186cm tall woman. You can be 186cm tall, but you aren't a woman, so you can't be a 186cm tall woman.
So if being multiparty is a requirement for being a democracy, then not being multiparty, makes you not a democracy. Even if you pass all other requirements.
so for any country to be democratic they have to fulfil all "requirements" what other requirements are there
What is the connection to your claims that nazis are social Democrats or that democratic socialism is fascism?
Why can't you just google things for once?
I think a division of power is important, as are: fair and free elections, multiple options in the elections, social programs to ensure the population has the resources to take part in the process, low corruption (ideally none but that is unrealistic). There is probably more but I am done doing your homework.
I will block you now, as you are the most clueless tankie that I have met to an embarrassing degree, so I think you are full of shit and not a tankie. I mean calling yourself a tankie and calling socialism fascistic is wild. Calling nazis social Democrats is more believable for a tankie but I am fairly certain they would realise that murdering disabled people isn't fulfilling the "social" part in social democracy and e.g. the lack of fair and free elections doesn't really match with the "democracy" part.
Lol, you didnt even define democratic socialism or even gave single example for it because you know nothing like that exists in real life so it doesnt threaten the existing bourgeosie state apparatus so parties who claim to follow that ideology are allowed to operate freely. Its just a CIA developed ideology to sheepdog people away from revolution
Nazis were social democrats as well
Derp! What a fucking idiot! Let me guess you really believe Kim Jong has established a Democratic Republic in North Korea and you voted Trump because he said he'd fix the economy?
You're a moron. You take fascists and fascist populists at their word? You're a moron.
I dont live in america, not even in the west
secondly kim jong un certainly is working for his people better than many western leaders.
LOL
Planning on moving there soon?
this is the best argument you have? I dont understand the hatred you people have for a country that got its 12-15% population and most industries wiped out by american invasion but still defeat the imperialists and is still standing tall minding their own buisness. If you follow the news, DPRK has made remarkable gains in lifestyle improvements of its people recently and they will continue to grow. Why hate a country that has done nothing wrong ever?
Maybe it's the constant threats they make against their neighbor to the south.
And they very much do not mind their own business.
Why would you simp for a totalitarian dictatorship? That's so weird.
It's one thing to support communism, that has merit, but you're sitting here trying to make it seem like north korea is something people should admire. It's a shit hole lead by an absolutely awful family.
Why would you simp for a totalitarian dictatorship?
Because they are a tankie.
They almost never threaten any of their neighbor out of nowhere, instead most of its neighbor which they threaten host US military bases and are themselves extremely hostile towards DPRK and support sanctions. DPRK have already abandoned the goal of reunification.
They obviously mind their own buisness.
I am not simping for anybody. I am just standing with the north korean people in their struggle against imperialism and the Marxist-lenninst revolutionaries who made DPRK a reality. Any system that isnt liberal bourgeosie capitalist democracy is dictatorship for you, north korea is definitely something people should learn from. How a country faced most powerful enemy on earth and withstood the burn of imperialism and continues its resistance till this day while having solidarity with oppressed people across the world. Its better than 70% capitalist countries if you go by even living standards so I dont know how it is a shithole and I dont care what you think about kim family as we arent here for leader worship. You are western chauvinist dirty imperialist.
Long live the korean revolution.
Were they minding their business when they bombed korea air flight 858? Were they minding their business when they sent troops to participate in russia's imperialist war against Ukraine? Were they minding their business when they shelled Yeonpyeong?
You aren't anti-imperalist or fighting against the bourgeoisie. You love dictators who steal the resources of the people and maybe it's wrong of me to call you out on your weird dom fetish; I shouldn't kink shame you.
Good luck with your struggle, comrade 🤣
- There is no proof that that attack was state directed.
- They are sanctioned by west and russia does trade with them, so yeah they are doing whats necessary for their country
- DPRK claimed it attacked because South Korea was conducting a live-fire artillery exercise near Yeonpyeong and that some shells landed in waters North Korea considers its territorial waters.
Kim jong un isnt stealing anyones resources, how much can he steal realistically? you think he can steal more than an avg millionaire does? lol. Your bullshit liberal ideology is responsible for countless genocides but all it takes for you to shame a revolutionary nation is that they dont abide by your ideology and economics. You are bullshitter imperialist dog who pretend to oppose imperialism but cant support anyone who realistically oppose imperialism.
I am not surprised though, your ideology is shaped by pedophile billionaires. I never mentioned anything about kim's yet you keep bringing them in conservation, all it proves that anti communists has nothing but strawmans against communists.
Fuck off, fascist.
Keep guzzling those lies you're being fed.
Fuck billionaires and fascists like you who support dictators. You are an enemy of the people; not an ally.
lol look whose being called fed
I am not even from the west (Im from global south) and actively working in a party that organizes the working class, not a libshit like you who shuns every genuine attempt to change and keeps doing strawman, you are worse than enemies of people.
Your idea of change is dictatorships, authoritarianism, militarism, imperialism, and repression. Keep that tankie shit to yourself.
Workers rights, socialist support systems, equity, equality, and freedom of information and expression is what this world needs.
- Alternative political systems are not dictatorship or authoritarian
- Militarism and repression being bad is a moralist position, sometimes hard decisions needs to be taken to guard the revolution
Workers rights, socialist support systems, equity, equality, and freedom of information and expression is what this world needs.
World needs a leninist revolution. Which leads to stuff you mentioned, everything else is secondary.
secondly kim jong un certainly is working for his people better than many western leaders.
nice argument
It's not like the communists were the ones trying to coup the government to begin with...
Nobody also expected the Freikorps would evolve into Nazis.
guess who else couped the german government and what the social democrats did about it
He was arrested though? The Social Democrats was also the only party who voted against the Enabling Act that give him absolute power.
guess who else couped the german government
So is this an admission that the communists at the time were wrong to begin with for trying to coup? Tankies love to be getting self-owned 🤣🤣
communists were absolutely right
the difference between a communist coup and a nazi coup is that communists are good people and nazis are bad people. Hope this helps
We do not take moralist position like "X thing is bad in every context"
"No, no. The other side killing people is bad because they are the other side. We kill but it is my side."
Cat got your tongue? 😂😂
I forgot to attach gigachad
“No, no. The other side killing people is bad because they are the other side. We kill but it is my side.”
You are not the first tankie to eventually admit they are deep down, power hungry murderers 🤣
We admit what is reality
Libs preach human rights and proceed to bomb children in middle east
thats the truth, we know what it takes to build a better world
we are realist.
thats the truth, we know what it takes to build a better world
we are realist.
Through murder except you are not hiding it. Gotcha.
We need to murder these people if they do not change:
fascists reactionaries bourgeosie
do you think the liberal world order came to be and is held without violence?
The liberal order don't really have gulags for criticising the government even after the liberal revolution.
again, how do you think the liberal world order came to be and how do you think its still surviving?
There are no gulags for criticising the government?
because you do not change anything by criticizing the govt. They are not threatened.
You admit yourself that you are a power hungry murderer. Tankies just want to take over even without the consent of the general populace. Why else do the communists always resort to violence as the first option, refuse to hold transparent elections (and even if there is election, candidates are usually only coming from their own party) and infamous for imprisoning anyone who dare to criticise when finally in power? Because you are a murderer like the Nazis.
There are elections in communist countries and they are far more democratic than whatever you have. Again you are taking a moralist position like "all murders bad" while your system murderes thousands of people everyday. Maybe talk about that.
Except not all liberal orders are the same? Botswana, Ireland, Jamaica and Scandinavia don't have gulags.
"democracy when no gulags"
ok bro, there are prison camps which have pretty high incarceration rates
And fortunately that country is becoming a pariah.
endgame of liberalism
And you think there will be camps, except not from your side.
Given I'm new to lemmy, I learned the difference between some of the instances. Specifically lemmy.ml 🙃.
"Nah man, someone with good policy but they're caucusing as a democrat? Don't vote for them, they're not calling for seizure of private property, they're all scams!"
So you want me...to vote for the conservative? Like, wut?
"Start your own revolution!"
Uh huh. I'm ready for the call, but just as Lenin himself argued, a single person like myself won't help the people dying right now that way...the first person killed wouldn't be a billionaire, it'd more likely be myself, friends, family, or neighbors given the state's monopoly on violence.
They told me to read State and Revolution. They weren't expecting me to have already read it 🙃
this page is a disaster
I've learned you do the same thing with tankies as you do MAGAts if they start to argue.
I still like natelies take that tankiess are actually just fundamentalist Christian’s with the serial numbers filled off
I don't think "tankies" voted for trump tbf. More so just abstained.
I am more mad at tiktok teens. They basically mass-advertised trump, and after elections there was a trend of calling ICE on your non-american neighbors.
Abstaining was still a +1 for fascism, though. Like skipping the vote in 1933 German elections saying, "all sides same lol"
Though yes I agree there were many factions who helped enable the present fascist to go first past the post.
A vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries was a vote for fascism. We tried to warn you he wasn't the guy for the job. 🤷♂️
Trump already killed more children than Obama and Biden combined over 12 years with his cuts to USAID, WHO, and Paris Climate Accords alone, leaving aside the 40% excess covid deaths peer reviewed scientific studies indicate from his disastrous covid pandemic response but keep telling yourself this false equivalence lie.
Say really quick: can you confirm to me that you agree Xi and Putin are at least if not more so corrupt, psychopathic, and/or evil?
Xi? Have you been to China? They have affordable housing, Healthcare, education and transportation. They have less people in prison per capita than the United States.
Ah, and there it is.
Just kinda sorta kicking the brutal mistreatment of Uyghurs, Tibetans, or Tienamen under the rug conveniently, I see, eh? Do you enjoy the attempted imperial conquest of Taiwan China is obviously partaking in? What are labor conditions like there? How do you like those child sweat shops? Do you like that China gets to censor images like Xi as Winnie the Pooh? I guess I shouldn't be surprised one who endorses authoritarianism over democratic principles, though. Not exactly free and transparent journalism there when anyone who opposes the CCP get disappeared conveniently, now is it? And how do you like that China is actively funneling weapons and mercenaries to Russia to use in imperial conquest and murder of women and children in Ukraine? Tell me, who are you sincerely believing in acknowledging the number of prison people per capita than the US, and what are the comparative living conditions of those prisons compared to the USA? As China goes full-steam on industrialization and capitalism, their pollution rates are significantly worse than USA as well in terms of concerns for climate change.
Also I noticed you dodged the entire rest of my comment, so please acknowledge this fact: Trump already killed more children than Obama and Biden combined over 12 years with his cuts to USAID, WHO, and Paris Climate Accords alone, leaving aside the 40% excess covid deaths peer reviewed scientific studies indicate from his disastrous covid pandemic response but keep telling yourself this false equivalence lie.
Name one of those issues the Unites States doesn't have in spades. 🙄
Really, is Whataboutism the best you've got? 🙄
Your comment made the comparison between China and the United States bud. It's not whataboutism just because I'm challenging you on it. You opened it up for discussion. 🤷♂️
Actually that's incorrect. If you go back far enough, you'll find I was primarily comparing Biden and Obama to Trump. Then you hyper-fixated strangely on my second brief question regarding your opinion of Xi and Putin, which was a bait that you fell for. Thank you for that.
🙄
It's shocking to me how much ego liberals have while getting absolutely spanked by Trump and MAGA.
This fantasy liberal sure would be upset if he wasn't a straw-man you were attacking. 🙄🙄🙄
Parroting western propaganda that has been debunked thoroughly isn't the gotcha that you think it is. What does the United Nations say about the treatment of the Uyghurs? Surely there must be some evidence other than Adrian zenz' testimony?
Don't mention the Uyghurs around tankies. At least if you want to keep your sanity and/or believe in the inherent goodness of people.
You know what rattles my belief in humanity? Supposed leftists regurgitating capitalist propaganda because they are afraid of being labeled a “genocide-denier” without even doing the research to see if the claim that there is no genocide in Xinjiang holds any water.
If you agree that capitalism is bad and that capitalist media exists to uphold the status quo, why do you just blindly trust the capitalists when they say there is a genocide? Especially when they deny the genocide in Gaza that is literally being televised every day. Obviously capitalist media cannot be relied upon for the truth.
Anyway, here’s some reading if you want to break out of the capitalist media bubble and start thinking for yourself: https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang
It amuses me that your comment was down-voted automatically in literally less than 30 seconds of posting, which means there are actual bot farms on here down-voting the mere mention thereof. I only noticed because I happened to refresh and see the notification that you replied to me.
Though sadly yeah, I know what you say is true.
My comment has no downvotes. I just don't upvote my own comments.
Oh interesting, do you manually down-vote yourself to 0 or is there a setting for that?
I just remove the upvote on my comment after posting.
The general thought when I've seen this brought up in the past is that the default upvote represents your own willingness to stand by and approve what you say; kind of like the adage, "If you won't stand up for yourself, who else will?" Not that I mind either way but I'm curious why you take extra energy and time to do so.
If I don't stand by my comments I don't make them.
God, libslop like this is so fucking funny to read.
libslop.
What influencer trained you to say this?
The usage of the suffix -slop is well entrenched in modern English, I don't even watch "influencers."
Might rhyme closely with PissOn Hiker
hasan is a liberal himself lmfao
looooooooooool
he literally voted kamala harris and regularly promotes democratic candidates
As if there weren't non-liberals didn't support Kamala (because they aren't dumdums who thought both sides were the same lol).
Your fallacy is thus False premise.
no real leftist would ever vote for genocidal imperialist democrats
You are just CHURNING out fallacies hahaha. Now it's a No True Scot, as though you're some grand arbiter to bestow purity tests hahaha!
you seem like someone who just learned about logical fallacies, I hope you good luck tho
side note: dont call yourself a leftists, liberals are not left and democrat voters certainly not
I hope you good luck tho
Oh my. Your translator broke lol
This will be my tag for you.
I am not using a translator but is it wrong to use it? geez libs are racist
"HAHA, YOU MADE A SMALL GRAMMATICAL ERROR, YOU STUPID FUCKING FOREIGNER!"
"Also, Trump is bad for demonizing foreigners"
- This guy's thought process
You sound very rational and stable, Lemmy.ml user.
It may be hard if using a translator or ESL, but that was sarcasm by the way.
Nothing about demonization -- In fact I welcome all immigrants and feel people should be free to come and go (China, you listening?); rather, it's just a revelation of ignorance and ethnocentric bias while deep-throating eastern propaganda.
Do you enjoy that Xi is sending bombs and Chinese soldiers to Russia alongside NK to kill children in Ukraine?
Wow what a disgustingly bigoted thing to say. I would imagine, if you have an American education, that my English is leagues above yours, as it's my first language, and I live in a country with much higher education outcomes than yours. I'm glad that I could help you feel superior and smug for a minute, though. Do you enjoy that your tax dollars are being used to kill hundreds of thousands of brown children in the middle east at the moment, and millions over the past 50 years? Personally I abhore dead children. Abhore means detest. Detest means hate. Sorry, I forget that statistically, you read at a 6th grade level or below.
No what's bigoted is the mistreatment of protesters in in Hong Kong, Tibetan monks, and Uyghurs. Never once did I condone the actions of the US but I tire of two-wrongs-make-a-right mentality from people like you. It sickens me. Far too caught up in ethnocentric bullshit and have yet to ascend to the Humanist level. Perhaps as you grow older and wiser, you may get to that point.
You didn't answer the question: Do you enjoy that Xi is sending bombs and Chinese soldiers to Russia alongside NK to kill children in Ukraine, or do you condemn it?
In the meantime, please voice your complaints to your idols, please:
Nice pictures, you really captured their essence. I answered your question very directly, unfortunately I can't help you understand it. "I abhore dead children." I even dumbed it down for you and explained what the big words meant lmfao. Now you answer my question: Your country is responsible for the deaths of millions of children over the past 75 years. You seem to be against dead kids, why aren't you doing anything about it, and instead demonizing nations you clearly have no clue about?
Not quite. That's a subtle deflection. Try again. Last chance.
Here I'll even rephrase it to make it more easy:
YES OR NO: Do you condemn Xi for sending bombs and Chinese soldiers to Russia alongside NK to kill children in Ukraine?
Buddy, are you actually mentally challenged? No, I don't condemn China for sending weapons to Russia. Yes I do condemn the killing of children by Russia. Now it's your turn.
Well, that's very interesting. I take it you were okay with Biden sending weapons to Israel then but not Israel using them against Gaza? You know, for matters of consistency of course. If one isn't complicit in genocide, then neither is to you?
My turn? I'm a fair person, so sure:
Now you answer my question: Your country is responsible for the deaths of millions of children over the past 75 years. You seem to be against dead kids, why aren’t you doing anything about it, and instead demonizing nations you clearly have no clue about?
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Citation needed on those exact numbers because I'm interested -- but yes for the deaths of the children we did cause -- and I know we did sadly -- I am against it and hold myself to the betterment of humanity instead of loyalty to a single nation. I was critical of every imperial act we engaged in just the same -- the vast majority of that being a result of the Conservative right-wing ideology, usually under the Republican banner.
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By the way, my country is responsible for saving millions if not billions of children, thanks to our cutting-edge vaccination programs and work by USAID. Programs China has benefited from. You're welcome.
You need someone to cite all the wars that the US has illegally started, and the corresponding civilian casualties? Go to Wikipedia, dude. You killed 20% of the Korean population. The millions of civilians in Vietnam, the millions of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Syria, Yemen, Cambodia, Libya. If you lack the knowledge of the blood on your country's hands, now is a good time to start learning about it. You guys are currently bombing innocent South American fisherman. 200 dead civilians in the last year alone. You killed 200 little girls in Iran as an opening move during negotiations 70ish days ago.
Do you not see a difference between China selling weapons to Russia, who is in a war, and Biden and Trump sending tens of billions of dollars in free weapons to Israel to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children?
Not even lib but nice try, little buddy lol. Your pretentious ad hominem (But thank you tankie for opening the door) deflections precede your actual knowledge and understanding.
For all our sake, I hope you're just young (say, below 22-years-old?) and naive. Lay off the twitch chat and venture out in the world.
Wait so you're a non liberal that regurgitates lib talking points? You don't even know what an ad hominem is, obviously, so I guess I'd say your lashing out "precedes your actual knowledge and understanding."
Wait so you’re a non liberal that regurgitates
lib talking pointsirrefutable facts?
FTFY. Easily-caught Circular Reasoning Fallacy. Be better, kiddo!
Yeah baby, irrefutable facts that China is imperialist with their... not invading even land they consider their own [Taiwan] for 50 years. Very strong imperialist tendencies there.
You can learn more about their oppression of their people here
It's not imperialism if China does it.
Okay, baby.
Funny, I hear the same arguments of "their own land" Israel claims over Palestine if you go back far enough to the Semitic speaking Canaanites, or to the Balfour Declaration -- not that I agree with this, but to point out your own hypocrisy -- I bet you'll claim that's different.
You realize that China is currently NOT invading "land they consider their own" right? They've literally vowed peaceful reunification, but I bet your tv didn't tell you that, lol.
Oh well then if CCP says it, it must be true is that right good citizen? Think you've got that, "actions speak louder than words" thing backwards, buddy lol.
Don't forget to pick up that can.
Okay then, which actions have they taken in regards to militarily taking Taiwan?
Don’t forget to pick up that can.
No clue what this means, but if it's anything like your other comments, I'm gonna assume it's either racist or bigoted.
I just showed you. Russia did the same crap before invading Ukraine, or do you have those pesky blinders on when it's Eastern countries waging imperialism...?
Alternatively: Will you condemn China if they engage in any sort of provocative military action against Taiwan?
I'm gonna assume it's either racist or bigoted.
"no u"
So just a gut feeling? Guess time will tell us who's right.
Keeping all the liberL bullshit you vommited about PRC aside (I dont like the PRC for being revisionist)
Killing children is not a contest that makes biden and obama accepatable, hope that helps and lessens your bloodthirst
Keep attacking strawman while purporting a false equivalence fallacy. Golly how I dream to live in your utopian fantasy-land of purity tests.
not killing children is not utopian or purity testing, its question of basic humanity. The GOP and democrats differ almost on nothing except the cutlure war.
I'm in agreement but tell that to the dead Children of Ukraine, whose weapons supplies and troops used by Russia originate from China, buddy.
Democrats harm less children than GOP. I already proved that without any refutation whatsoever. Harming fewer children = better.
And Xi harms less children even than the democrats so he is good.
Easy to keep the prisons clear when you just 'dissappear' anyone that disagrees with you.
Source?
how is Xi evil actually? what evil has he done on his own?
Yes or No: Under Xi, he is funneling both Chinese citizens and arms to Russia to use in Russia's illegal and inhumane invasion of Ukraine.
Almost every nation participating in global trade is doing that
is this something unique to Xi or PRC
"Everyone is doing it" / "Two wrongs make a right" / Whataboutism fallacy. Leaving aside the boldfaced false-equivalence.
So imperialism and arms trafficking and complicity in genocide is okay if it's China doing it, is that right?
No, its okay if the democrats do that
I very much dislike Biden but I wasn't worried about being shoved in an internment camp or getting LiveLeak'd by paramilitary goons for the crime of voicing an opinion or melanin during those years.
So, like, are you saying that I should have voted for Trump? That's literally the OP meme lol
Are you under the impression Trump ran in the 2020 primaries against Biden?
he has done none of what you claimed, but trump has done everything you wanted.
A vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries was a vote for fascism.
My only hope is that one day when you're an adult you look back at this comment and realize how fucking stupid it was.
It's ok. Kids are dumb and make mistakes. They say the darndest things.
No they're worse. They did everything they could to stop people from voting against Trump. Conservatives are always going to be conservative but keeping others from supporting the alternative actually did more to help Trump than the people who were going to vote for him anyways.
Give me a break.
Libs support as many dictators as anybody else.
And when libs attack some "dictator", it's just to put their own dictator in there.
Some cases in point:
- Suharto
- Sisi
- Saddam Hussein before he committed the unspeakable crime of nationalizing oil
- Pinochet
- Batista
- Saudi Arabia
- Pahlavi
This list is very, very far from comprehensive. One important caveat is of course that a lot of liberals do this amnesia trick where they oppose every war except the current one, and support every civil rights movement except the current one. So, in retrospect, liberals will for example always claim to have always been against Pinochet, but you bet that they supported the overthrow of Allende. Watch them cheer on the Arab Spring which installs Sisi and then after the fact call him a bad guy. Actually, probably most of them have no idea who that even is. Deeply uneducated lot.
To a tankie, conservatives are liberals. The term has two different meanings to the two different groups. You found the joke by going around the back 🤣
I'm gonna go ahead and ask you to define liberal for me and we'll see if American Conservatives fall under the umbrella. Not your personal definition, the actual definition.
Nonconfrontationally, of course, I imagine 😉
I'm not talking about an actual dictionary definition. I'm talking about how I've seen different groups use the term. English is descriptive, not presecriptive.
Since you have a lemmy.ml handle, please correct me if I'm wrong. I think Marxist-Leninists use the term to describe adherents to political philosophies that emphasize personal liberty over communalism - which lays the groundwork for a social order heavily influenced by market economies and thus capitalism. That aligns strongly with American conservative ideals of free-market economics and small government and deregulation.
Why conservatives align capitalism with Christian fundamentalism is a whole other discussion that we can have.
Also, I think American conservatives use "liberal" in the small-L sense, as in someone who adheres and promotes a broad view of social norms, including LGBTQ lifestyles, looser definitions of gender roles and family structures, and non-Christian faiths and creeds. (And a boogeyman that conservative news outlets paint as a threat to American ideals.)
Hey it's one of the guys who did more to support Trump than regular conservatives. Good job guy
Right, the incredibly powerful American left wing lobby.
tankies are just trolls that like to ragebait both sides
Are we talking about Iran here?
It's so weird that the left has been put into two very odd boxes, "libs" and "tankies". I see so much, valid IMO, hate for both them here but also the only ones ever mentioned. It feels like the American conservatives actually managed to succeed at doing something, and very well so, with this as I really doubt this would have happened naturally. It's really fucked up, and I'm a random Swede and this shit has soured even our own forums, online and IRL discussions etc.
I used to live under a communist regime. Love me some socialism but communism relies on the idea that you’ll replace one group of men with another, and they will just share the wealth and not enrich themselves and become the new oligarchy. Thats just not how humans work. Communist regimes are always misogynistic as well
Lol, dont know what communism was award.
Soviet union was hella progressive on women rights, weird to call them misogyinist
I think you mean specifically "Marxist-Leninist" or "Stalinist" specifically. To some people that's the same as "communism", but not to me and I am so pedantic I can't help myself.
Yeah they marketed it as a shortcut to true communism, but it was just a short cul-de-sac.
Marxism Leninism is the only true and real form of pathway to communism.
We "tankies" aren't Conservatives to want to "own the libs"
Do not read OPs post history unless you want to receive liberal brainworm psychic damage.
It's like baby's first anticommunist lemmy agitprop, but somehow wrapped in the stink of a reddit poster. Gross.
so-called "Anarchists" are only distinguishable from unabashed Neonazis by the weak-ass euphemism "Zionist" instead of "Jew"
OP
Amazing level of analysis. Why am I not surprised he’s a zionist? OP have you considered that you might be wrong?
People here pretend like there's no link between liberalism and fascism, when OP is a living example.
Lmao, perfect.
The only people on here supporting fascists are the ones with .ml and, apparently, .dbzer0 after their names. Either help to stop dictators or get the fuck out of the way
Strong words from an instance notoriously full of actual nazis.
Just making shit up now lol. Yes, Canadians are the real nazis. I'm rubber and you're glue strategy will definitely get everyone to ignore your obvious support for fascism
.ml
lol
Makes sense for a meme this delusional.
I don't know about OP, but just one page of your comment history is so hateful that I hope we never meet irl.
Do you love those that oppress you? That's weird.
I hate fascists and liberals who are aware of their politics. Hate is not innately bad. Take your pearl-clutching civility bullshit to somebody who is less experienced dealing with reactionary fucks. It has no effect on me.
Simp for literal dictatorships harder papi, you're proving my point XD
Checked the post histories.
Average .ml comment history:
Meanwhile "babies first liberal" here:
ACAB was a liberal position right?
I can tell you're trying to make some kind of point, but you've failed to actually do so.
The guy you're defending is a Zionist piece of liberal trash. His opinions on police are not relevant. If a reactionary person says ACAB, you'd probably call them a leftist too. Idiot.
Sorry I don't worship at the altar of murderous authoritarians and kneel down to suck the right color boot, what can I do?
you worship democrats who are capitalist dictator imperialists, you are the real sucker of boot. Some people may simp for dictators (tankies like me dont worship any leader) but you worship a genocidal system, you are the real sucker.
Solid trolling, have a quick meme!
Mfw someone claims to not worship dictators:
Mao was not a dictator.
You're getting ratioed on .world while doing the liberal agitprop that they crave. You must really fucking suck at this. Maybe hit up PugJesus or another of the liberal cretins here for some advice?
"Tankie buzzword, pro fascist propaganda, tankie buzzword"
Lol, you losers are so easy to read anymore
Are you satisfied adding so little to the discussion? It sounds like you're content letting Marxists dominate the conversation. How meek.
The more time you waste talking to me the less time you get to spend creating more support for dictators. I'm feeling pretty good about keeping you from bullying people who might actually do something to stop fascism.
I just have people like OP tagged as a lib so I know to ignore and down ote anything they say/post.
liberal brainworm psychic damage.
LOL, you dudes are fucked up. I don't even care what his history is, this is a fucking embarrassing statement.
I feel like typing 'LOL' in all caps and double spacing your shitpost of a reply is more embarrassing than accurately describing OPs history.
Major boomer energy.
The person I'm replying to is a supporter of fascism, working tirelessly to keep fascists in power
I don't usually look at the post history of random people but amen
define "dictators"
define "sealioning"
owned the lib
Anybody that libs don't like.