MAGA has never been conservative, the fact that folks are asking this now says much about the electorate
MAGA was, and is, socially conservative to the point that they are willing to back a fascist to get their pet issues pushed through.
Not even that
Magats are just pro fascism, period. They WANT fascism because in their heads, a fascist government would support THEM and allow them to mistreat and attack those they dont like.
Now that they're finding out that a fascist government will just mistreat and attack everyone including them, they got buyers remorse
But make no mistake; given the chance, they would fuck everyone over. Magats are just narcissists with psychopathic tendencies.
"When does it get to be MY boot on someone's neck?"
Same goes for the far left unfortunately. Just look at them praising Putin in Russia, Xi in China and Kim in North Korea.
Extremism is bad no matter the shape
MAGA voted a notorious alduterer in office how is that socially conservative?
It turns out the actual values they were protecting the whole time was impunity for the privileged. It was never about anything else and now that we know that we should stop pretended otherwise. There's nothing good about social conservative values and we don't have to respect those values are the people who are advocating for them.
Because they stuck to the "conservative" party. It's grossly ignorantly conservative, but that's a bit redundant to say on top of the US sort of "conservative"...
a rapist, and a racist too.
The only thing conservative I've seen out of this administration is lack of abortion, and removing LGBT rights, everything else is authoritarian which is not conservative.
As a side note conservatives tend to make room for the libertarian right, that room is now gone.
There never was and never will be a "libertarian right". Conservatism is for conserving a strict top-down hierarchy and always has been.
Sure there is. Libertarian-Right = Extreme Selfishness.
That's why their top issues are shit like "you can't make me..."
The libertarian party was literally created by billionaires to advocate for their preferred tax policy without leding people who wanted legal weed or gay marriage. It's a nonsense ideology
Libertarianism has a left to right bent. I know the popular meme is libertarians are just conservatives that want to smoke weed but there really is a libertarian right.
I've been told I'm a secret Republican double agent for decades.
Still independent, still vote for Ds more often than not in national elections. UNFATHOMABLE
My gun rights opinions tend to turn off the progressives in my circle, yet I tend to be more left than most of them.
One of my friends once told me that when you go far enough left, you get your guns back.
liberterians never were left wing, or had left wing beliefs. its all republicans, minus certain things of being conservatives. now that they have fully integrated into alt-right theres no difference.
The right has always preferred the rule of the few over the many, ever since the days of colonial America and the Loyalists. First, the rule of the King of England. Then, opposing slaves' rights. Then, opposing women's suffrage. It has pretty much always been their opinion that the powerless are powerless because they deserve it.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
That's MAGA.
On the contrary: MAGA is the truest expression of conservatism the US has ever had.
Craving to be subjugated and ruled by a dictator is and always was what conservatism has been about, all the way back to literal monarchists Burke and de Maistre. Any other definitions about "conserving" or whatever are just lies they tell to bullshit their marks.
MAGA is absolutely conservative, the hell are you talking about?
Then what have they conserved? Checkmate, Liberals (?)
white supremacist influence
I've really been meaning to stop referring to them as conservatives. It's harder than you'd think after all this time.
Traitors seems like an appropriate fit.
Regressives
They're traitors and authoritarians who belong in prison.
The mouthpieces/apologists have realized they're going to end up in the history books right next to Trump if they don't pivot hard and loud.
Those are only the slightly intelligent ones. The rest are still convinced that they're winning.
MAGA intelligent is like being the only hamster that doesn't shit in the food bowl, but still eats its own shit sometimes.
Like Stephen butterface miller
Only in America is it considered “conservative” to overturn years of laws and policies and to strive to return to the 1800 “gilded age” or whatever.
Anywhere else in the world, this is correctly described as regressive.
Only in America
Sadly this part isn't true. If you want to find a hateful regressive, you only need to look to the right-wing parties in many countries. Sure, there are a few regressives in the fringe left-wing parties too, but the political right has a far more mainstream problem, worldwide.
And it seems like a handful of the party faithful might be waking up to that fact.
Agreed. Conservatism is the pursuit of stagnancy.
When change needs to happen, for society, the main push from conservatism is to say "no". In a constantly changing world, where technology and economics are outpacing policy and law, the conservative position is denial. As human innovation accelerates more and more, conservatism becomes increasingly inappropriate and obsolete.
It's a problem.
[…] right-wing parties in many countries.
These are generally not considered to be conservative.
They generally share quite a bit of policy with the conservative party though. And where there are politicians changing parties in order to follow the gravy train (rather than the party itself moving right), it's often from a conservative party to an up-and-coming even-further-right party.
Basically, love of money and sticking the boot in to those who don't have it.
Edmund Burke was English. Joseph de Maistre was Sardinian. Conservatism isn't just a US thing.
My point was that people like Edmund Burke or Joseph de Maistre have nothing to do with those right-wing parties that were being referred to.
That's what conservative means. Your local "conservative" party is actually very lilely liberal like the Republican party used to be sorta
Where is everyone finding these people? I live in an overwhelmingly conservative area and family, and most of them just...don't care. Or just don't pay attention. My Mom told me it's socialist propaganda that the "cost of living is going up" because there's "enough socialism that everyone can get fed fine". shoot me.
My Mom told me it's socialist propaganda that the "cost of living is going up" because there's "enough socialism that everyone can get fed fine". shoot me.
What the... How!? How does ANY of that make sense?
They hear stuff from the Conservative Propaganda Machine, and they think it makes sense, because those people are good at making nonsense sound plausible.
But later, when they try to repeat the revelations that they had earlier, all they can do is spew some buzzwords and phrases, like Socialism Bad.
something something Ben Shapiro said it probably or a chud from the Daily Signal.
Some other fun things she's said include:
- the cost of items going up (contradiction?) is a result of women entering the workforce, as since there is more wealth in families there is more demand
- homelessness should be a crime, because "there's shelters everywhere and easy opportunity to find work".
- climate change is caused by solar flares and is normal (more common but...)
i have one person i know basically the same as your family. voted(or dint vote for) trump, because they listened to all these right wingers talk. they dont even follow the policies of trump or the white at all, just from heresay.
It's beginning to dawn on people, that when Trump during the campaign said one thing one day, and another the next, and they only heard what they like, that's not the one he ever planned to go with.
As a rule of thumb to people who know little about politics, done EVER vote for the flaming malignant narcissist. Chances are extremely slim it will end in anything good. And Trump was a very obvious flaming malignant narcissist way before the election in 2016.
Is it just me or I always see conservatives having "lucid" moments where they see how terrible, corrupt and violent the maga regime is, but a few hours later, once they get hooked on fox again, they become a diehard supporter again.
Same thing with the subreddit. You see EVERYONE concerned about something the GOP is doing, but they never mention it again or acknowledge it again. Lucid moments where all the commenters seemingly revolt against the Republican party that suddenly fades without any lasting impact.
I hear cults are a hard thing to part from. - Leah Remini probably
that is why the propaganda machine has to use culture wars, to prevent the lucidity of conservatives from actually realizing the truth.
It has been extremely entertaining to watch that sub recently.
There are signs of intelligent life in the comments, almost always followed up by some variant of "what's up, fellow conservative" where other users doubt the first's conservativeness conservativity because of too much critical thinking.
Many posts bemoan censorship by the "Democrat" party while their comment threads sit mostly empty, save for the few MAGA-friendly word vomits that the mods have allowed.
Someone should run an analysis looking at how many posts critical of Der Trumper have been allowed since the Iran war started. There used to be significant numbers of posts about Epstein supported by comments from folks who said they had pitchforks in their hands. It seemed like it might be the issue that broke MAGA. Once there was a military operation, it now appears they're all too transfixed to care about those ever-important principles anymore.
But who could have seen it coming? Well, anyone who has watched right-wing reactions at any point in the last 50 years. Nuclear levels of energy, followed by goldfish levels of memory, all further limited by pet rock Kid Rock levels of thought.
That sub has tipped the scale from "controversial but entertaining discussion" to "boring affirmations with simmering suspicion".
The very predictable results of heavy moderation
I haven't been on reddit in 3 years and the conservative sub was like that for years before I left
they all went to conservative, conspiracy. once reddit shut down all the alt-right subs, like the donald(remember this one).
they poisoned the conspiracy one, when it was vastly different pre-2016.
Rats instinctually know to hop off a sinking ship.
I'd let my kids play with a wild rat before I let them anywhere near a conservative.
We need to post shit like this in conservative circles, get them second guessing everything.
Stuff like:
"Trump said he would deport the worse of the worse, why is he deporting my mexican laborers?"
They already know about all that. They cheered it on until their own labour was affected.
They don't give a fuck about your labour. They were probably illegals and you should go to jail. MY Mexicans did it the right way.
Conservatism was always about conserving power, not traditions. It just happens to that some traditions actually align with their views, those that don't they just misinterpret.
that sub is also only 3 approved accounts that are posting the majority of the content on that sub. adding a ton of unabated russian botting. most magats arnt even questioning trump, they sitll support him.
This is why you have to carve a Swastika on their foreheads.
The only thing these "conservatives" and their turd of a mascot were right about, is that bullets are a pain in the neck.
They do this to hedge their bets. Trump crashes out = "see, I never did like that guy" pointing at that post as they quietly burn all their MAGA gear. That and they're gearing up for Trump becoming the worst thing, yes way worse than a pedophile, that a Republican can be- unelectable. Bush in 2007 was, to the right, a strong leader in the war on terror and economic genius- in 2009 he was some nobody who painted. Reagan in (early) 1987 was the greatest president in US history according to the right- in 1989 they stopped pretending he wasn't a senile old actor.
100% this is what they are doing. My douchbag boss had GW’s picture on his office wall like he was our god damn dear leader. (We worked at a private company with no government contracts)
Shortly after GW’s policies crashed and burned and Obama took office he claimed he was a Libertarian and never supported GW.
The only consistent stance that most Republicans have is that are fucking hippocrates.
The only consistent stance that most Republicans have is that are fucking hippocrates.
They're a greek philosopher from 400BC? Most of them don't seem to be introspective to me
They're stupid and it's frustrating that we have to deal with them or suffer global consequences.
I don't even think most conservatives are even conservative. Most I talk to have now left values. I mean vote however you want, not your reasoning makes no sense.
And how quickly was that person banned from r/conservative?
Making a list, checking it twice. We all know who's been knobbing with ICE
Same thing they did with Bush Jr, although this is obviously much worse.
And America will let them get away with it. Just like we did with the Confederates. And the cancer will fester and become terminal again in the future. Assuming we have one.
And when Trump doesn't give up power which causes a civil war, the MAGA chuds will pretend they never were MAGA.
doubtful, i think people are too complacent still, the maga crowd wont revolt because they dont do these things at all.
Jan 6 was a trial run
I've been seeing headlines like this for as long as Trump has been in politics. This is one Reddit poster, nothing to see here.
Wow, that’s the sub icon?
Hey is this that bot site i’ve heard so much about?
Obi-Wan said it best.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."
This is not what /c/reddit is for. You guys should be downvoting & reporting this.
And yet it's the top voted post in a month lol...
An unfortunate reflection of the intelligence of the users on Lemmy.
Or, get this, people don't care. We aren't computers. Some of us, at least
There's nothing inherently wrong or evil about conservatives. It's part of the balance of society. It tends to swing between progressivism and conservatism.
Edit: Lemmy can't handle reality
sure, but conservatism in an era where technology and culture change every decade, every year, fuck, every day... the world is progressing faster than we can understand whether we like it or not. the status quo can only harm us.
and this has broadly been true for like 300 years, but sure, nothing inherently wrong with conservatism.