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Why do you love the slop machine?

people do hate it irl

Idk, are your friends kid of dumb and easy to impress?

Maybe everyone you know IRL is a doofus.

I disagree with the premise. I have frequent discussions irl about how shit AI is and how damaging it has been to society. Perhaps you just aren't talking to the right people?

I think it’s safe to say that AI hate is indeed popular irl, we just don’t have frequent conversations about it.

Personally, I think AI may have potential (hey, I’m a sci-fi fan), but we are going about it in the least honest, ethical, and sustainable way possible. I DO NOT want the current generation of AI “entrepreneurs” to have ANY influence over real AI, if we ever even develop it at all.

I hope that Bezos and the like are remembered like those carnival hucksters who built absurd flying contraptions that didn’t work. When the Wright brothers came along, everyone promptly forgot their names.

Idk, I hate on Clankers everywhere I go and anytime it comes up.

Because you’re in a bubble.

I have trouble finding someone who doesn't hate AI IRL.

I think you're getting piled on here too aggressively. This is literally "nostupidquestions," so I'm assuming you asked because you're open to explanations, not to troll or start a fight.

If that's true, here are some reasons to be very skeptical and careful with AI (especially corporate AI; I'm neutral myself on fully local home AI), and a last line how that turns into "hate":

• They are not as good as you think they are, which is devious. They will convince you they are "smart" but they are just statistical models. So they will confidently tell you false things and if you trust them, you will believe false things. They can't do math, they can't actually "think." You are just getting a statistical approximation of grammatically plausible language from the training data.
• They train you to not think for yourself and rely on them. There is some ambiguity whether there may be complex benefits, but it's clear how they're being used now is harmful to learning and development, even used by people who think they're being careful.
• They asymmetrically benefit owners versus workers. Corporate AI is being pushed so hard because owners believe it will further funnel more income to them versus workers, and they benefit from this trade even if it can't do tasks as well as workers. That means less jobs for the workers and worse experiences for the customers.
• Huge environmental costs for all of this.
• Data centers take up huge amounts of water from communities.
• Data centers increase electrical costs to communities.
• Huge increase in consumer hardware prices from corporate AI buying all the graphics cards, CPUs, hard drives, RAM, etc, leading to pricing out many people from home computing or gaming.
• AI tools are privacy nightmares. Everything you say in moments of vulnerability will likely be used to sell you something or against you in the future.

Are there benefits? I actually think there are. But the costs are very disproportionately high. And AI has not been allowed to just grow and specific uses to be shown useful over time. It's been shoved down our throats. With the above costs which most of us online see, and didn't agree to, that motivates a lot of legitimate hate.

most people are too ignorant to understand the problems with AI or that the bill that will be coming due. they just like that the chatbot glazes them. It's addictive.

they don't know that AI consumes shitloads of water and other energy, is driving the cost of computing (ram, GPUs, etc.) up, and is too stupid, that if you just keep pressing it will totally tell you that killing yourself is an insightful and brilliant solution to whatever problem you're trying to solve.

And then there's the people that are making these things- scumbuckets. all of them are scumbuckets and most are fucking nazis.

And then there's the concerns about social manipulation and propaganda.

Most people who know the potential future costs, and how shitty they are in the first place, and how not-actually-useful they are, hate them. the people that like them are some combination of stupid, ignorant or sold on the hype.

I can count people who love so-called AI in my circle of friends on one hand. One hand that suffered a near catastrophic accident at the saw mill.

With my IRL friends? Most hate AI or dislike it, one uses it sanely and one is vibe-coding. I like having conversations with the two, because I am so damn deep in the AI-loathing pit I need to see other perspective too. My family doesn't use it, nor have any opinions or knowledge about it.

At work? Boss is absolutely gone with the AI, using it to everything and telling us to use it to everything as well. If we don't, the boss "helps us by asking for us" and then tell us the, clearly unsafe and wrong, answer. But it's the boss, I am not going to be the one lecturing the boss. With other coworkers, we don't discuss the topic much, except there seems to be surprising amount of "LETS ÄÄÄSK STÄTKEEPEETEE"-jokes when the boss isn't around. So I think most of us is at least cautious or annoyed at AI, but try to avoid the confrontation. Which is fair, we have known the boss for years.

Because your question is based on a faulty premise

The internet is full of diverse opinions, and you tend to go towards communities that fit your morals, ideas, etc. On big tech social media platforms, this is done through algorithms that track your activity, while on the Fediverse, content is more curated (so still a sort of bubble, but one that you choose for yourself I guess). Additionally, negative opinions are more likely to gain traction online, whether they are valid or not. People are more likely to share polarising views online rather than those experienced by everyone.

You will also note that in the real world, there is fewer "tech-savvy" people. Most people don't know about the unethical nature of LLMs and how they are problematic to copyright. The majority of people don't have a strongly negative opinion on LLMs nor do they usually have a strong positive opinion on it. They see it as something that can make paragraphs using only a few words and "art" with a single prompt. They think it's neat, but certainly not the saviour to humanity many business execs think it is.

But I would like to highlight that, in real life, there are a lot of people who hate LLMs, text-to-image models, etc. Most artists don't like that these models are being trained on their creations without their consent or any sort of compensation. Doctors and others in the medical industry don't like that people are turning to LLMs for health advice (that is usually wrong and/or harmful), particularly when it concerns mental health. Software maintainers hate that "vibe coders" are submitting unreviewed LLM-generated code, taking up the time that could be better spent fixing bugs or developing new features. And I'm sure that there are businesspeople who are worried that the "AI bubble" will pop any moment once investors realise that they are losing money, crashing the economy and bankrupting a lot of people.

It's not that everybody online hates LLMs and, in the real world, people feel the opposite. That wouldn't really make sense. It's more that polarising opinions are amplified on the Internet. See the "AI bros" online for some strongly positive opinions, they are quite ridiculous I think, they somehow treat LLMs to a higher degree than most business execs. And on the Internet, there is a higher proportion of tech-savvy individuals who know the ethical, legal, and moral risks of LLMs.

I highlight that they are LLMs, not AI. To say that they are "AI" would mean that they have intelligence. In my opinion, since these models do not actually understand the prompt given. I believe that intelligence requires being able to understand a problem and figure out a solution. There are plenty of intelligent beings on this planet, us humans, corvids, octopi, certain species of whale, a lot of the primates, ant colonies, etc. But LLMs are not one of them.

Because you are prone to be in eco chambers, on- and offline

Because on a vocal minority (which is right in most cases when referring to non-local LLMs) and a large majority of people who use AI without thinking about it, just liking the nice sycophantic chatbot without having to pay the real cost yet. A lot of money is invested to make sure the sheep stay silent.

Different cultures, probably. Different echo chambers. Different age brackets?

Like, I have the same experience. Online I see people either being neutral or super negative about it, but IRL everyone seems positive about it. But I'm comparing english-speaking social media sites that are unpopular in my country to people in my daily life who barely speak any English. Clearly there's a huge distance there already without opinions on AI in the picture. It's also worth noting that in subreddits in my native language or about my country I have yet to see the same negativity, making it imo clear that in my case it's a difference of where people are from.

I see/hear it a lot irl. All that slop in ads (TV and internet) as well as other locations does not go over well. Especially the younger generation.

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I see both ends irl and online. Sometimes it feels as much a political issue as it is a technological one. Some models are quite useful. A lot are not. When the bubble implodes, the winners will rise from the ashes of the fallen. Unfortunately, we're all caught in the crossfire of both the explosive speculative growth and the oncoming Great Depression 2.0...

...I just wanted realtime speech recognition and text to speech...

When I come across someone IRL who loves AI I avoid the topic around them. My opinions on the topic are likely to offend them, so to avoid hurting their feelings or causing conflict I won't mention them. Now, if it's someone I care about I'll find a way to gently broach the topic because I know that heavy AI use is causing them harm and I don't want my family and friends to lose their grip on reality.

Your immediate group is more likely to have similar opinions to you.

I broke the ice with a lot more of my IRL friends in the last few months and most lean anti-AI with a few exceptions, for example, when your end goal is actually to get slop.

It's probably the friend group you hang with. Based on your lack of capitalization, I'm guessing you are younger than me (Perhaps I'm wrong). A lot of young folks don't see it because the worst AI shit was targeted at them and poisoning their development with AI dependence. They also lack some context for how things were before the tech bros started going hard with web 2.0 and beyond. I see this a lot more with people 18-30 who, on average, use their phones more anyway. At least that's what I see where I live.

I do have someone close to be who loves AI, but I think they'll come around when they see the US start paying for its AI missteps. Taking shortcuts only matters because quality and thoroughness isn't valued. A good email should take at least a few minutes to write and a pro can weave in the appropriate details, requests, confirmations way better than a clanker.

Not sure, my friends hate it online and in real life

Because it's hard to deal with people that are too in love with it and it's easier to just stay quiet and let them be when you don't have the proper capacity to articulate with people irl. Just like it's near impossible to talk against someone being racist as if it's the most normal thing in the world.

The internet != irl

Everybody I know hates AI, fears AI will take their job, and uses AI all the time themselves.

AI industry hate is popular among Gen Z I find

at a local middle school one of the students threw a container of cream cheese at the math teacher after she used an AI generated image in her lesson. from what we heard the students were mocking the teacher incessantly for that. this is definitely a phenomenon in the real world, at least where we live.

still, demographics vary!!!! the people we know in real life are reasonably technical, and are thus more in the "internet" camp. depending on how you meet the people you know, they may have a higher or lower probably of having one opinion or another. this is certainly an interesting topic, so please do feel free to go more in depth into your own experiences! :)

Think of the alternative? Person uses a tool, tool does what they want, they go about their day.

What are they shouting from the rooftops? Gemini is running my herb garden, my herbs haven't died yet! This is true: plant selection, pot selection, substrate, feeding/watering routine and troubleshooting is all managed by AI... Gardening isn't a skill I care to aquire, I just want the herbs. I'll often use it as a rubber duck to cover basic trouble shooting of my homelab, sometimes it figures out the problem, often it doesn't but I'll figure it out myself, keeping me off the forums.

Sure there is going to be shills screaming that their particular spanner cures cancer, or whatever, but the rest of us just use spanners and think/say nothing of it.

I'm sympathetic to the anti-capitalist arguments levied against AI, but only the anti-cap ones and only because they're anti-cap. They're right, capitalism does over exploit an environment causing climate change, droughts etd. They're right, capitalism is unethical. They're right capitalism does steal the value workers create. None of these problems are unique to AI (Nestle was stealing water long before AI), none of these problems are necessary for AI.

Because AI is actually useful in many situations to the individual, but inherently terrible for society as a whole.

I think people are still too unaware. As businesses push to use it, people are afraid to speak up about not using it bc "everyone is using it"and they don't want to be left out.

Most still don't understand its environmental impact either. If you're a muscle car guy, you probably don't understand ballet, or if you're an artsy person you likely won't understand most sports and why people are so into them. It's not that people are dumb, is just not their area of interest outside of (likely) misinformation about how good it is. So because they're repeatedly told "it's good and helpful" they just assume that's how it is, without any real info of behind the scenes.

On most forums or like-minded sites like Lemmy, Reddit, or other similar platforms, it's way more obvious as is constantly brought up and talked about.

Most of the people in my life do not like AI and are open about it and we sometimes talk about it and how we don’t like it. It’s not an all the time thing obviously but I know where most of my friends stand on the subject and we have had conversations about it

I mean in my real life Im not ga ga about it. My wife really liked it at first and I was like well it has its limitations. She started seeing them. All the same it has uses but its hard to say if its uses outweigh its cost.

You clearly don’t work in my office.

Probably 1/5 at the most of the people i know actually like llm chatbots and related. Another 2/5 are neutral and the rest loath them for one reason or another. The majority of them are being forced to use it at work for things it sucks at and hate at least that part. Anyway, one theory I have for you is that people in your life that dislike it might just not talk to you about it. I actually straight up lost a friend because he was upset that I kept challenging him when he talked about it. The rest I know that like it are not as persistent and enthusiastic about it, but when they do bring it up, I just nod and smile until it's over, because I am simply out of energy to deal with it. These people have the same energy as the religious zealots out on the street telling people they're going to hell and it is exhausting.

Not a single person I know uses or likes AI. I think you're just wrong, and know other people who behave similarly.

AI didn't steal jobs or creative work of most normal IRL people, so same as with what happened to artist years ago, they had to navigate the crisis without them, the same is happening to programmers now, people IRL are not exposed on a personal level to as much of the dark side of AI business, only environmental and educational arguments land with them, and they're not as effective when it gives them access to seemingly free art, info and computer skills they never had

This is how i understood them personally, they don't see it as their war, just as a war, hopefully with free subsidized system going away they'll take a harder stance like the rest of us

Social media is typically designed to create and strengthen social bubbles, bringing together like-minded people and showing them what they want to see. It is also designed to feed "engagement". Rage is a great way to do that.

Just look at the prevalence of upvoting and downvoting tools in various social media sites. A great way to ensure that opinions that are popular within a particular community become even more prominent, while driving out anything that isn't popular within that community. Little wonder that views inside those bubbles become a bit skewed compared to the outside world as a whole.

So, different mentalities express themselves in different places. For my workplace, talk about AI as an innovation happens more often. In my day-to-day, all the talk is concern about a new datacenter going up in our community. In the internet, people seem largely against AI. I find it to be a symptom of certain environments leveraging a different thought process.

I think it's pretty fair to say, the internet overall cares deeply for expression and humanity, to which AI has fed off of to train, and now regurgitates in inhuman speech. This affects us all, and makes the overall internet experience worse. Oppositionally, AI has allowed businesses to streamline workflows. No more fluffing up an email with bullshit to "sound professional," just have an AI do it for you and save the time. And as for local datacenters, no shame if you don't know what they do to communities, but I don't think you'd believe a Lemmy comment if it's your first time hearing of it.

because online, stupid people with bad opinions cant shoot/stab/assault you when they cant handle legitimate criticism and facts.

Unlike real life, where people just smile, nod, and get the fuck away.

In my experience, IRL conversations are generally more nuanced. I rarely encounter people who are adamant about one stance or another in any kind of absolute terms. But online, you'll often find people on the extremes, saying that anything AI is good/bad no matter what and getting mad at anyone that doesn't share the same opinion. And those extremes are often the loudest voices.

Half my internet (vehicle enthusiasts) hates EVs because they're part of the liberal agenda. Half my internet (political progressives) hates Tesla because it represents the fascist agenda. And then the other 99% of my country's citizens don't give enough shits about the topics to post online about it. My liberal area is full of brand new Teslas.

You're seeing people complain. You're not acknowledging all the other internet traffic you're seeing talking about anything besides Ai. And here, there's a higher anti-ai sentiment than other parts of the internet. Consider that a huge part of it has to do with the bullshit marketing terminology applied to chatbots and other pre-existing machine-learning suites that suddenly have a fresh coat of conversationalism that presents itself as authoritative.

OP is a bot.

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Well, you're a bot I guess. No one I know loves it. Or uses it for much beyond playing around and trying to get it to be stupid. One friend said she used it for apologizing to people, but stopped when that backfired

Social media isn't real life. As with many other things, it's the loud minority online who make it seem like they're the majority. People who like AI don't feel the need to declare it online. Neither do the ones with a neutral view on it, but the haters must let everyone else know that they're on the right side of history and better than everyone else who disagrees with them.

These are usually the kind of people who, when you ask what they're passionate about, just start listing things they don't like. Most of Lemmy is like that. There's very little talk about what people are into, but no shortage of grandstanding on what they oppose.

"I'm lying. Also maybe I'm a bot. I have weird syntax and bad grammer, so maybe I'm a paid troll from India, China, Russia or something?"

• OP

It's popular here to hate AI. Everyone wants to be in the club, to feel included. It's a hive mind demonstration.