[Video] Hasan Piker wonders why he is banned from the UK but Elon Musk is not after inciting race-riots in Belfast
6d 6h ago by lemmy.world/u/IndustryStandard in unitedkingdom@feddit.uk from i.imgur.comalternative video upload: https://streamable.com/e/x8htk0
Right wing youtubers told me he shocks his dog, so I'm gonna go ahead and believe that. You'd have to be really gullible not to believe whatever Asmongold or Ethan Klein tell you. I mean, what do they have to gain in this?
It wasn't just right wing YouTubers who made these claims. Seems kind of dismissive
That's true, it was blue checkmark #freeTheHostages twitter accounts as well.
Its a mystery
This is so disingenuous of Hasan....he knows very well that he got banned for being anti-semetic, and unlike Elon, he isn't a Billionaire/Trillionaire, so banning him scores points while being inconsequential... Oh wait, that isn't fair?! This sociopath spends 8 hours a day bitching about unfair to his sheeple audience who fund his lavish tastes... You can't write this reality, it's simply too fucked.
Commenting so there might be a top level comment with positive upvotes
But Karma farming does not exist here
Yus, but ^1 is still positive. I did also say 'might' because I know someone will probably downvote that just to be funny
Dafuq people be defending a guy who forces his dog to sit on hours in one place and then shocks it when dog wants to strech it's bones.
Fuck Elon and the Hasan ban is unfair. But seeing people saying that shock collar is a ruse - that is an incredible mental gymnastics to achieve. Props to yall ig.
This is the dumbest imagined controversy.
Nobody with a halfway functioning brain is buying this shit, give up
Yeah no idea why on Lemmy how no one can criticize him. He very clearly abused his dog and whenever I ask people why they're downvoting they never provide any valid reason why they don't think it was animal abuse. I used to like him— now I can't.
Anything's possible when you make shit up
Bunch of mental gymnastics medalists put here.
Maybe he genuinely thought the collar used vibration instead of electricity. In any case it is really not that big of a controversy. The dog seems fairly happy.
Hassan believes in nothing but clicks and views. He's a sociopath. Fuck him and the rest of the political streamers.
Fuck Elon, too, though. They both suck ass.
Edit: He did shock his dog and I'm laughing at the number of people trying to defend or deny it.
Also Israel sucks too.
Bring on the down votes. Hassan sucks.
Just because he's saying things that are true doesn't make him suck less.
Nobody who stood with Palestinians at the start of the genocide only believes in clicks and views.
It’s fucking crazy how well the “shocked dog”bullshit has stuck.
Explain this then pal… bet you can’t

This is an excellent point that I had not previously considered.
Responsible dog owners remember to switch off their tesla coils.
I dunno, I agree with a lot of things he says but I watched that video with the dog and it looks pretty clear to me that he did have a shock collar on the dog.
He may not have actually pressed it on screen, but he moved his hand to it and the dog knew exactly what that meant and you could see it in the reaction.
The fact he seemingly wants to force an animal to sit in the corner like an ornament for his stream in the first place is also particularly problematic.
That all being said, I don't think he should be banned from the UK and Elon should be banned and his businesses banned.
Anything's possible when you make shit up
So he uses a training collar to train his dog to behave while he's busy? The horror.
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
- the Narcissist Prayer, written by Dayna Craig
Welcome to step 3, ye flying monkeys.
I don't give a fuck about whoever this chud is, but training collars are a thing and that's how you use em, to correct behavior. Also because it seems to piss all y'all off, free Palestine.
You could have stopped after the first line
Do not believe your own eyes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cL__lbQL6g
My eyes are telling me this is bullshit because they work, get yours checked
Must be a walkie talkie randomly placed on his streaming setup, and the dog reacted like it got shocked, and the dog just likes being in one spot for 10 hours a day and does the droopy ears like it was punished. Every sign points to it but you have to consider, hasan said he didn't do it.
The dog is out of "it's spot" for 90% of stream.
But you have to consider. Some loser said it was a shock collar. Because it was red.
https://m.twitch.tv/videos/2776730076
A dog in one spot having moved 1 foot in 3 hours out of a 4 hour stream. Thanks for the massive waste of time, have fun in your echo chamber.
Damn you should use those superpowers for something more useful because I just jumped all around the stream and didn't see it once.
But I'm sure you just assumed I would believe you without even looking at the video.
No idea where you would get a thought like that, sure you never did it, definitely not how you got to this exact opinion.
"it" amen brother. 21:51 she's on screen with the special cam, she leaves for 2 minutes to drink water at about 2 hours then she's back till ~3 hours.
That sounds really wildly different than your previous claim.
She moved 1 foot in a 3 hour stream (to drink water)
If you look at it frame-by-frame, you can see the dog is kicking the bed. I had dogs accidentally kicking the stair, they also reacted like that.
Now please tell me about how other fascist misinformation campaigns are right too! Tell me that gamergate wasn't an astroturfed movement by Stormfront and Steve Bannon to make white people flinch at minorities, but a real consumer revolt! Tell me that the Holocaust never happened and that the Jews drank the blood of German aryan children and gave predatory loans to the average German citizen to push them into "debt slavery"!
Yes they might yelp, but the dejected walking is exactly how every dog I've ever been around reacts when punished. Put that with him having a remote that looks identical to a shock collar remote and Kaya sitting in 1 spot for 3 hours out of a 4 hour stream daily. Why doesn't he just show the model? If the proof to clear something up was "move an object in front of a camera" and they refused to do it, how is that a conspiracy to say "well they won't do something incredibly simple to prove they're innocent that's kind of telling" ??
Did the kiwifarmers pick you yet?
They have vibration & audio alert training collars for dogs, using mechanically identical remotes, and this has been mentioned repeatedly in every single discussion of these accusations that I've encountered so far. Try harder halfwit
Weird that he never mentioned that ever, never showed the remote before to clear it up in 5 seconds, never showed any evidence of what he was actually using besides waving a "vibration" collar (that was shown to be a shock collar, weird how he won't show the model printed on it). If everything points to something, I am more likely to believe that, when the work required to prove it false takes 2 seconds. I guess that's too high a bar though hey?
Anything's possible when you make shit up kiddo
My friend's dog was traumatised because his wife opened a moisturiser tube too loudly. Watch any dog for any extended period of time and then armchair diagnose its trauma.
It's possible the dog got startled by him moving his arm. I have never seen a dog get startled and then dejectedly walk over to It's sleeping spot, and I've been around dogs my entire life and that is EXACTLY how a dog who has just been punished reacts. The dog yelps right as he moves his hand and he has a remote that looks identical to a shock collar remote. It is possible there are explanations for all that, it just seems incredibly unlikely to me.
It’s disappointing how well the “question my personal behavior, question the cause” narrative has taken root. Piker is human. He can have some great points, good intentions, and the charisma to become a voice in the moment. It doesn’t make him inviolable. He has his flaws, shortcomings, and blindspots like all of us. He treats his dog like property and a set piece. Want to make him a better candidate for leadership of the cause? Demand that he do better and remind him that just because he’s on the right track most of the time he’s not above reproach. If you just want a leftist version of Trump whose shortcomings we ignore because they get done what we want done; fuck you.
You speak like you have the luxury. This was years ago and the collapse of your country is imminent. Do you really want to start burning a leader at the stake with some flaws in favor of a gang of criminals? This is precisely why you're in this predicament. Look around you. Do better yourself. You have little choice but compromise at the moment. Burn him at the stake later when you're not actively dying as a country. So goddamn unbelievable and insufferable.
I do have the luxury. If we’re doing this we’re all in, and while I’ll take any ally I can get, I’m going to continue to fight for the rights of non-human life until my last breath and not just seek to replace a right-wing populist with a left-wing one just because he’s on my team. If you’re willing to compromise your personal morality because your favorite dude has compromised theirs instead of saying “hey, I’m with you 90% of the time but here’s where your slipping; do better”; shit.
Nah, this is the same shit y'all did last time with Harris. You wouldn't vote for a genocide apologist, so you'd rather have a pedophile, genocide accomplice and sociopath. Incredibly myopic.
Nah. I’d burn through every last one of you for whatever you have to offer that aligns with my goals, and take the wins over my enemies where I can get them. If that win means my enemy is destroyed and I have to fight you on the other side, we’ll deal with that when we get there. If the fight results in both of you destroying one another; fuck yeah, the path forward has been cleared.
You sound decidedly sociopathetic. Good job.
You have little choice but compromise at the moment. Burn him at the stake later when you're not actively dying as a country.
What happened to the suggestion I compromise now and deal with him later? Those are your words.
You're deliberately not walking the talk, because if you were, you weren't be here discrediting the guy because of one thing you found problematic about him without considering the bigger picture.
Being asked to be a better human by treating your dog like it’s another living being instead of an object that has some reciprocal obligation to behave as you expect it to at all time just because you provide basic needs like shelter, food, and water isn’t asking that much. If you want to position yourself as a leftist voice, expect pushback when your personal actions don’t meet leftist standards. What’s dangerous is that any behavior that confronts him is immediately dismissed as “right wing attack”, “bad faith”, or “discrediting”. I’m not discrediting Piker’s entire platform, I’m calling him morally derelict on animal rights and humane human-pet relationships. Same goes for the people that want the behavior ignored short term because of the “bigger picture”. The big picture is the entirety of the people involved in it at every level. If you want leaders, activists, and allies that demand their personal behavior is beyond reproach as long as their message feels good, all you want is leftist populism.
And so you need to bring it up every time the dude is mentioned? Can you not refrain about this and bring it up when it's not a distraction to cause a rift? Do you realize what you're doing?
all you want is leftist populism
So what. Is that bad that we need to unite the left in one way or another? You're keen on destroying a common cause in favor of some unrelated shit because mUh mOrElS. Shut up, you're not helping.
And so you need to bring it up every time the dude is mentioned? Can you not refrain about this and bring it up when it's not a distraction to cause a rift? Do you realize what you're doing?
Yes. 1000x yes. Loyalism and populism are the wrong path because as we can see here, a popular celebrity has found a way to shield themselves from reproach and rebuke the request for even the simplest course correction in their daily life, and their followers will demand that others compromise their personal moral standard to fit that of their favorite podcaster.
So what. Is that bad that we need to unite the left in one way or another?
Change left with right and that’s the same question conservatives debated when they sold out what little integrity, morality, and soul they might have personally had to support a populist that would assure victory.
You're keen on destroying a common cause in favor of some unrelated shit because mUh mOrElS.
I’m keen on holding people who put themselves in positions of influence and leadership being accountable to the people they claim to be uniting and take responsibility for their transgressions when their character is found lacking. That there’s people like you hoping a populist will be some sort of savior, I find that far more disturbing. That the question of animal rights is relegated to “unrelated shit” is repugnant. That’s the problem with morals, you either have them and hold fast or you’ve got none save whatever your populist leader told you was the current morality of the cause.
a popular celebrity has found a way to shield themselves
And yet he's not doing that? Do you realize how destructive and needlessly defensive you are?
Change left with right and that’s the same question conservatives debated when they sold out what little integrity, morality, and soul they might have personally had to support a populist that would assure victory.
THE COUNTRY IS LITERALLY DYING. Get it through your thick head. There won't be left and right when this administration is done fucking over everybody. I get you don't care because you're in the UK anyway, but Jesus F Christ, start seeing past your nose for once.
And yet he's not doing that?
I know he’s not, you and others in the comments of this and countless other threads do it without having to be asked or directed to because that’s the benefit of being a populist. They make themselves synonymous with the cause and their base will treat a critique of their leader’s actions/character as an attack on the cause and themselves.
Do you realize how destructive and needlessly defensive you are?
Destructive to what? What have I destroyed? Piker is a celebrity, he’s not running for office, his boots on the ground contributions to the cause are few, far between, and highly publicized. He’s not a leader, he’s not a political party, he’s not even a philosopher, just a podcaster. He’s free to discuss his opinions on leftism, his fans are free to listen and adopt them, but he is not the voice of the left nor is he taking steps to become a stakeholder in the power struggle of what’s left of our democracy. This isn’t a tear down of a milquetoast Democrat when their MAGA opponent is going to be 1000x worse if they win.
THE COUNTRY IS LITERALLY DYING.
The country is dead. We’re just waiting to figure out how decayed it actually is come next election cycle, the one they’ve gerrymandered into guaranteed wins, are threatening to post up voter intimidation squads, and who knows how corrupted our machines and mail-in ballot system is. Even if MAGA loses majority in Congress, what do you actually expect to happen? They still have the courts, he’s embedding himself in a bunker. Congress can vote to impeach him all that want, he’s positioned to ignored that should he choose and ICE, the cops, and his zealots are going to make damn sure nobody forces him out.
Real leftist action isn’t listening to live streams or propping up populists on the notion it’ll create some counter-MAGA that will save our dying nation. It’s building coalitions in your community that are planning for when the last vestige of democracy is swept away and full-blown fascist tyranny replaces it. It’s mutual aid, food/medicine/hygiene/baby supply stock-piling, seed saving, identifying who has what skills (nurses, mechanics, child care) that can be relied upon when social order begins to breakdown. It’s making sure you’ve identified the most vulnerable in your community that will be targeted first and learning how to protect and defend them when ICE shows up.
Democrats, populists, and Piker aren’t the people running ICE and MAGAts out of their communities, that is achieved by the people who live there, sometimes at the expense of their own lives. Talk is cheap, even people with good opinions still have shortcomings, but no politician, podcaster, or populist is going to save us, we save ourselves.
I know you're going to stop being a destructive asshole. I'm just going to tag you right now and call you out in the future every single time I see you do it. You're just as morally bankrupt as that which you criticize.
You're just as morally bankrupt as that which you criticize.
Indeed. That’s what I wanted you to realize! That’s what the danger of populism, cults of personality, and idols are. We all have our moral deficiencies, what we think is important, our blind spots, our egos, and our failures.
I'm just going to tag you right now and call you out in the future every single time I see you do it.
Yes! Tag people and call them out. Demand your allies hold themselves accountable for their beliefs. That’s how society functions, when we govern ourselves through coalition and consensus rather than putting our movement in the hands of one slick individual whose shortcomings we overlook because winning is more important.
There’s a time and place to accept that your enemy has picked a path which the only response is to accept their terms, adopt their methods, and meet them with them with proportionate force.
The Nazis didn’t get stopped with political debates, populism, democracy, or appeals to morality. Not everybody who helped stop their hate was a pillar of morality. We’re not yet at the point we agree that the fight against MAGA warrants such a response, and while I personally think that’s delusional and a naive hope that democracy is still functioning, you can see throughout history the chaos, power grabs, and mad scrambles to claim power that occur when tyrants and their regimes fall. Planning to replace one team’s populist with your team’s is just reactionary escalation of the my team/your team game Democrats and Republicans played for decades, the root of what undermined our democracy until MAGA came along and cut the string of the pendulum.
Idk what leg you think you're pulling but that's not it. Go back to your cave.
Neither because I don’t know which leg you’re standing on. You bounce back and forth between accusations and judgements with emotionally driven but contradictory replies.
You're keen on destroying a common cause in favor of some unrelated shit because mUh mOrElS.
You're just as morally bankrupt as that which you criticize.
At one point you clap back that my morality is a hindrance, later I’m as morally bankrupt as is the thing I criticize, which is the thing you support. Which is it? My morals or lack thereof?
I’m tempted to believe that you didn’t mean to damn what I’m criticizing while you were damning me, but maybe you did, maybe it slipped out, or maybe it’s just a poor choice of words. Morality isn’t a universal constant, it’s shaped by people because it’s a human invention. White Christian nationalism is built on the idea of morality as a God-given baseline, by their values those who exercise their free will and reject that are morally bankrupt. People are free to adopt whatever morals they want and hold themselves to it, but that doesn’t allow them to take actions that negatively affect how others choose to live or hinder their self-actualization.
I know you're going to stop being a destructive asshole.
But didn’t you also accuse me of sounding like a sociopath? Believing you “know” what a person is going to do is a mistake. You can develop a reasonable belief about what another person will probably do in given situation based off their past actions and what they tell you about their beliefs. But all humans can lie, all can deceive, all can panic, pure altruism is rare. Most will default to protecting themselves and their tribe in a worst case scenario; that’s trap of populism. It creates tribes but if the demagogue begins to crack, abuse their power, declines morally, or fails to deliver on promises, the tribe would rather sail into annihilation than risk replacing their captain because to do so would admit they’ve been played, compromised their own integrity, and might result in a captain that alters course.
Allyship is not friendship. I stated clearly in an earlier response that there’s plenty of leftists I recognize as allies in the fight that is in front of us, but it doesn’t mean I am your friend, believe you’re mine, nor that the process of deconstructing and building a new America is going to be some peachy keen utopian world healing event. Libertarians are a great example of this. They have been perfectly content to support Trumpism when they thought it would be treading on everyone else but themselves despite being warned “it doesn’t care enough about you as an individual to ensure your life isn’t destroyed as a byproduct”. Now they are beginning to trickle to the left’s doorstep looking for allies. Trusting them is situational. I’d trust one in a firefight against the Feds, but I wouldn’t trust one to be my ally long-term unless I saw some real personal growth along the way. They’ll go right back to “I got mine, fuck you” as soon as the threat to themselves is lifted and abandon the cause to hoard what they can. The French Resistance and Italian Partisans were coalitions of leftists and libertarians united to fight fascism. They managed to work together on common ground and a few pillars of shared morality, but they weren’t “friends” and didn’t all agree on the course forward once the Third Reich was consigned to history. You take what you can get when you can get it but it doesn’t mean you have to like it.
We self-govern through consensus built upon arguments, debates, and demands for personal accountability, not through suppressing our values and morals to adopt ideology. Leaders serve at the will of the people, not because they make the best speeches or promises, and while we should all demand a high standard of personal accountability out of each other, people who offer themselves as leaders should subject themselves to an even greater degree of self-awareness.
Go back to your cave.
Pull your head out of your ass. A decade of cheap comebacks telling MAGAts to “go back to wherever” didn’t do shit because people don’t live in isolation. We all live in society, we all participate in it. Wishing your opponents would be quite and disappear is a zero effort attitude and the longer you keep telling strangers on the internet to “go away”, the longer they have to spend recognizing you aren’t actually going to do anything to stop them while they build movements with real people and action. The Proud Boys became the J6ers became ICE while leftists built live stream followings. If you want to silence someone’s rhetoric and their ability to act on their beliefs, telling them to “go away” doesn’t make them go away. You have to draw the line of “it ends here” and accept the confrontation.
You don't really expect me to read all that, do you? Can I get a tldr?
No. I get that it’s easier in the digital age to watch to a live stream and parrot the opinions you’ve adopted as if they’re your own, but if you want to have a stake in this movement and a say in what comes next you’re going to need to learn to read, debate, and engage. If you aren’t going to put in the effort here I have no reason to believe you’ll put in the effort when it actually matters.
How about you write less fluff and get to the point? Three sentence summary, go. Whatever you say can't possibly be that important that I need your dissertation.
So accustomed to tweets as communication you can’t stay focused past three sentences and so failed by the education system you think less than a thousand words constitutes a dissertation? We’re cooked because we’ve rewarded low effort, low value, low comprehension zingers over putting effort into articulating the back and forth of debates. You’re not ignorant, you can read, you can debate; do it or don’t.
Damn, it really hurt you that bad I didn't read you that you started making shit up, huh. 😂🤣 That's a good lesson to learn when you yourself are a destructive asshole who prioritizes some relatively petty shit in the grand scheme of things. Oh, what a faceplant. I'm taking this grin to bed.
There’s nothing “relatively minor” about prioritizing the quality of life of another living being that is not in a position to make choices about it’s living situation or have a means of leaving that situation, double that when the people inflicting the harm could easily take accountability and rectify their behavior if their peers would demand it of them. We’ll eventually get around to violence and destruction so if we’re going down that path might as well get some revenge on the dog beaters, factory farmers, animal testers, and trophy hunters while we’re taking down the bigots, fascists, and capitalists.
You really said let me sacrifice a whole country and succumb an entire ethnic group to Nazis because of a dog, huh. I'm glad it's not your kin on the frontlines, what a privilege that must be for you.
His dog lives a better life than most humans do and is well loved and taken care of. Source: Every single person who knows her in real life and interacts with them. Hell you can see it from their interactions on stream but you wouldn't know that since you don't watch clearly.
His dog lives a better life than most humans do and is well loved and taken care of.
The experience of life, for humans and animals, is more than just being “taken care of”. Your measure of “love” still treats a dog like an object and measures the quality of the human-canine relationship in terms of hierarchy; I give you X, therefore I expect you to give me Y. Gross, both of you.
You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Kaya has a great life and is not treated like an object simply because her bed is on stream. News flash if your dog likes you they will actually choose to be around you even when you are just doing boring stuff and sitting at a desk and especially when they understand their routines and know they have a dog walk at a specific time each day and have already done other enrichment activities. Hasan/Kaya's schedule isn't unknown if you watched a few streams you would know it, but again you clearly don't watch. They can simply relax because they know they have times of the day they will get to run around and get their energy out. Kaya is well trained too, which clearly shows a bond between Hasan and her and its extremely common to use treats during training.
A dog is like a child, it has no legal rights to its self and lacks the ability to withdraw from an abusive situation and seek a better environment or companion. It just makes do with what is offered even if its base needs (food/shelter/water) are met. Of course it will “love” whoever provides that because that’s all they have, and they’ll suffer the less savory parts in between because, again, that’s all they have.
Do you really think that so long as basic needs are met, training/conditioning another living being to fit your schedule and harsh rebukes when inconvenienced by their expression of independent mind are acceptable?
Get a job
The dog is fine, get a job
Nah. I refuse to buy into the system. Eat shit and die, capitalist.
Labor is not exclusive to capitalism dumbass

That your default insult is “get a job” is telling. You want my labor value but you don’t want my free will. What you’d like is for me to be so invested in expending my labor elsewhere I don’t have the time or energy to question and confront you and your values. Not gonna happen.
You can go get that job now
I’ll provide my labor when and where I see fit and to causes I feel are worthy of the effort, not because some random person on the internet demands it or attempts to undercut my argument by implying making it is a misuse of my time. Like all people, I am free to do with my existence as I please, when I please, and while I value what we can achieve together as a society, it’s still a mass of individuals and not a mindless collective. You keep taking the time to respond, why are you here saying “get a job” and not focused on your own “job”?
Don't care didn't ask, get busy loser
I’m aware you don’t care, that’s why I’m here to remind you and everyone else that you don’t actually care about individuals, only what they can provide.
You provide nothing, seek employment
I fully embrace providing nothing of tangible value to you personally and doing as I please with my existence in the endeavors I see worth giving my time and labor to. Currently, resisting your demands is a low cost, low effort exercise of my free will. I’m not obligated to labor but I have to live with the fruits of my own labor (or lack thereof). Neither you personally nor society as a whole get to dictate or demand what I do with myself and my labor, and I will aggressively defend my right and the right of others to exist without being subject to the demands of you or society. Do as thou will and live by the results.

Of course talk is cheap. It’s the internet, and this is an anonymous forum. Neither of us have to come to blows over our differences. I can talk shit for days and all you can do is reply with memes. Is this really the best you can offer? No wonder why the left is losing. The fascists are grinding us under realtime while we debate with memes.
Why on earth would I waste my best effort on you? If you want better responses try earning them
Burden of proof to the contrary is on you. You got words to express yourself instead thoughts and feelings or do you let SpongeBob memes do your talking for you?
Lol no it isn't dumbass that's called proving a negative, you are the one making claims and you've done nothing to substantiate them
Now there’s some words. Keep going, I believe you’ve got it in you to form your own opinion rather than regurgitate what the internet celebrity told you to think!
You're bad at this
The tactic of "They go low, we go high!" is suicidal.
We had to drop demands for stronger secularism, both to court moderate christians into the left and in the hopes of an actual leftist Obama appearing. All it ended up with is that any time christian fundamentalists won more and more power, the loudest answer was "they're not real christians, real christians don't force anything onto other people, instead they're ought to love their atheist neighbors, their Muslim neighbors...".
Now we are ought to "kill our idols", who sometimes are smaller creators (cough cough cancel culture), sometimes bigger ones, and we were ought to show our moral superiority to Asmongold (or whatever grifter is the hottest currently) fans by backstabbing ours after the slightest rumors. Humans are social animals, not "individualist thinkers" that are able to come to conclusions on their own. Annoying leftist creators are kind of necessary.
We are rushing into a gunfight with no guns, not even knives, but nothing besides a smug feeling of moral superiority. We as well next should go back to the forest, or at least live on a "self-sustaining farm".
It’s not suicidal, it’s self-awareness that we are facing an enemy that is more than willing and is currently eradicating us and will not stop doing so until we respond with the same force. Purity tests for leadership result in never finding a candidate because everyone is human, everyone has shortcomings; you take the best ally you can get. But you don’t have to compromise or accept their flaws as ongoing or excuse them from working on them during the process. Judge people’s quality of character on how they respond to criticism of their previous actions and whether they reflect on their behavior, acknowledge it might have been a poor choice, and amend their way, don’t just double down and deflect and defend because you like them most of the time. If a up-and-coming leader can be forgiven transgressions by their supporters when they’re a nobody they’re building a base that will forgive their worse transgressions later when they’re somebody and have the power. Demand that your leaders forever remain accountable to the critique of the people they claim to represent or you’re just propping up a left-wing populist as a reaction to the right.
You are the hasbara
I don't even know what that means.
Clearly
Embarassing if true, probably a lie tho
Is that the point though? Isn't the point that he has done far less to endanger the UK population than Elon, and yet he is banned and Elon isn't? Surely that's worth discussing?
@crapwittyname @Poppa_Mo
It would be reasonable to assert Mr Musk should be advised not to travel here.
Nothing to do with what travel other people have been allowed or stopped from.
The error is "yes but".
Advised is irrelevant in the context of banned. It does have something to do with what other people have been "stopped from"; it's a comparison, and there is therefore no error.
As an aside, "Mr Musk" deserves no respect from you. He is a fascist, and should not be tolerated.
I’d never heard of him until I listened to him on the Trevor Noah podcast. He sounded normal enough there, granted, that’s just a tiny slice of info.
That and he mostly talked about everything the Dem party was doing wrong.
If I had to guess, because he’s anti Israel, and both our countries are keenly invested in no one having a negative opinion of anything done by Israel. Ever.
I would evaluate if you have reasonable beliefs here. Like do you have enough information to accurately describe someone as a sociopath? To claim what they "only care about"...?
In this case I doubt you do, so it's then strange to be so virulent and adamant.
Hey look another dumbass on the internet.
You're losing and you know it
What’s he done?
He’s a bit of a tankie-lite talking piece, but iirc he went on a boat to deliver aid to Cuba so he’s done some good.
The UK is only banning him because he’s anti-Zionist tho.
He's also a bit of a show boater, showing up to protests and getting all the attention because of his star power.
I'd also say he tends to soften his critiques in person, where he might get something right, he'll not stick to his guns when confronted.
None of if that makes him wrong per se. But the people who have eaten the anti-hasan hasbara.. well they are indeed a special breed of hog
Or rather, he’s bringing attention to the protests using his star power that they wouldn’t otherwise get from mainstream media.
Also, didn’t most or all of the socialist-leaning anti-Zionist candidates he campaigned with win their primaries?
If you have a platform, use it. Dude’s meeting people where they are, not sure how that’s for “clout” now that real change is being made. Why do you think Fox News is constantly up his ass now?
Yeah I fully agree, and I don't agree with the critics. I'm just giving voice to concerns I've heard levied from people who make organizing protests and streaming protests what they do. Hasan shows up and suddenly it's about them not what they were protesting. And Hasan has acknowledged this and been explicit about not wanting to do that, but it's an unfortunate artifact that comes from their star power. So they don't do it very often.
suddenly it's about them not what they were protesting.
That's only how it is being framed by his critics and their fans, who still think there's something in trying to scrutinize the dog collar.
Every case that I have seen of Hasan, be it showing up at rallies, supporting a candidate, or joining the convoy: his presence is welcomed, seen as valuable and benedicial to the protest, politician, or cause.
Only time I can think where his presence was treated as a liability was the 2024 DNC.
Every case that I have seen of Hasan, be it showing up at rallies, supporting a candidate, or joining the convoy: his presence is welcomed, seen as valuable and benedicial to the protest, politician, or cause.
I mean 99/100 times yes. The one exception I can note was when they went down to the street at the LA protests. And like, there were already plenty of protest streamers there, which is like, thats what they do. And yeah, like, all of a sudden all the protesters were like "Oh holy shit its Hasan!" And wanted autographs etc.. which like, is legitimately distracting from a protest. And so some other live streamers did make comment on their streams (like Merc, a few others who do that kind of streaming. THey make a point to not make it about themselves.
What a monster.
Called out Israeli spying and interfering with American politics through AIPAC and dark money. Israel was also found to be spying on the president and his administration - why would such a close ally spy on their friends? Because they aren't friends. Israel is invading America.
Israel is not invading America lol. The president isn't the boss of America, the oligarchs are, and they're perfectly fine with their friends spying on the government for them.
He may or may not have used a shock collar on his dog while livestreaming. I didn't care about him enough to follow the story to its conclusion, but some people identified the collar as a shock collar while he claimed he removed the metal probes.
He did not shock his dog, but there is a clip where he reaches off screen and then the dog, who was moving at the time, yelps.
Circumstantial evidence at best, but of course the haters RAN with it. No one wants the anti-gambling, anti-zionist, anti-capitalist streamer to be popular. It’s incredible the bullshit they spread about this guy.
Fnords.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cL__lbQL6g
The dog also does exactly what a punished dog does, droopy ears and moving slowly to the spot they think you want them at, and the dog sitting in 1 spot for 10 hours a day. Granted I haven't had or seen every dog breed in existance, but I have never seen a dog do any of the things in the video without being shocked yelled at hit or scolded.
This has always been baseless conjecture and was promoted by Israeli media.
The only people who believe it are hogs.
He extremely obviously didn't
I said "may or may not" and yall clarified the outcome of the allegations. Most people here said it was right-wing pundits being inflammatory shitheads, so good‐-the dog wasn't hurt.
Your country sucks
We know
There's many reasons to dislike Hasan (not Hassan), but the shock collar myth ain't among them. And if you push myths, you're pushing facts away.
See Vaush, another leftist streamer. People want to paint him as a pedophile for supposedly consuming "CSAM" (which pretty well could have been The End of Evangelion, except tankies and SWERFs see it as such and want to execute all remaining creators of that movie) and having certain kinds of drawings in his leaked folder a warmonger claimed to be "real CSAM". All while no one cares about him harassing women in the past.
Edit: To the 7 people downvoted this post so far: Did the kiwifarmers pick you so far? Did they stop misgendering you?
You're pushing facts away by pretending that it's a myth.
Yeah, I'll rather believe my own eyes over HeilHitler1488 from kiwifarms or whatever telegram group they're organizing their subversion of leftism...
Edit: He did shock his dog and I'm laughing at the number of people trying to defend or deny it.
100% exact same people who defend corporations and politicians. Brains completely ground from all the propaganda. Sad to see.
Delusional