Lemmy libs on the Tiananmen "massacare"
5d 4h ago by lemmy.ml/u/jankforlife in leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com from lemmy.ml
It's never oppression when tankies do it.
No, you just paint of red and its better. Faster, too.
Perhaps try that again? Add some coherency this time.
Obviously, you don't know how to WAAAAAAAAGH!!!
The color red (like painting flames on a car) makes things go faster. It’s considered a fast, sporty color.
The color red (like painting flames on a car) makes things go faster.
Is this like some first-world trope or something?
Yes, it’s a joke you see in cartoons. Also, communists use the color red, so it covers both American tropes and communist symbolism.
Yes, it’s a joke you see in cartoons.
Never seen it.
Didn’t ask if you could see, but glad to learn you’re thriving despite your disability.
What's the matter? Sore that your crappy trope didn't travel very well?
Anything you in particular fail to understand immediately must be incoherent.
Feel free to read your post again.
I did. I thought it was fine, butvif you don't understand, clearly it requires more explanation.
No, go ahead. Be my guest. Explain whatever the fuck...
No, you just paint of red and its better. Faster, too.
...this is supposed to mean?
Oh. I didn't say it would be coming from me. I'm the original source of problem asking me to fix it then expecting a better result might not be a good decision. We should make good decisions where possible.
I’m the original source of problem
Agreed. YOU are the source of the problem. So YOU can go ahead and fix it.
Okay? So again... be my guest. Explain whatever the fuck…
No, you just paint of red and its better. Faster, too.
…this is supposed to mean.
You don't even understand my explanation of why I'm not the best person to explain it, and you want even more explanations from me!?
Again - YOU are the source of the problem. So YOU can go ahead and fix it.
Okay? So again... be my guest. Explain whatever the fuck…
No, you just paint of red and its better. Faster, too.
…this is supposed to mean.
First tell me what you plan to get out of this explanation, because its not clarity. If it were clarity you'd go to a third party. I don't know that I can provide you clarity, I expect I can't. But maybe I can provide you with whatever it is you're lookong for.
But maybe I can provide you with whatever it is you’re lookong for.
Fine. Just admit that you are incoherent. I'll settle for that.
Oh! Yes! Dreadfully incoherent! You don't need to worry your pretty little head about anything I have to say.
Oh! Yes! Dreadfully incoherent!
Good.
You don’t need to worry your pretty little head about anything I have to say.
Agreed.
@therealdries@lemmy.dbzer0.com funny thing is, the tiananmen massacre was against unions and students and people revolting against the capitalist reforms that the government was trying to do (and did).
Anyway, the imperial enemy of my imperial enemy can be my other enemy too, let's stop this binarist nonsense.
...This is the exact opposite of the student movement. The Protestors were pro-capitalists.
No, I'm sorry but there can only be two categories, and I need a 'self' because I'm a child. I gave decided things with red paint on them are self. Therefore you have wounded me. Moooooooooooooooooooods!
say what you will about Leon Trotsky, but the man knew what he was about when it came to the approach of the third camp rebellion. none of us can be free of our imperial overlords if all we do is switch from one capitalist structure to another with a different coat of paint. socialism without international solidarity for the working class isn't socialism at all. it's just politics as sports with a new coat of paint
That totally ignores what the goals of the USSR were: ending capitalism while being a transition to communism. This is literally "don't let perfection be the enemy of the good situation." Capitalisms power needs to be crushed before any extreme leftward movement can happen, otherwise you just get color revolutions and CIA-ops forever. It seems like you believe that the "international solidarity" that the USSR was building was imperialism, and if that's the case, how would international solidarity look different as it slowly spread across the globe?
the goals of the USSR were: ending capitalism
Is that what their goals were? Really?
They sure had a strange way of showing it... you know, crushing anything that was too socialist and radical for their reactionary tastes.
You got a source on these claims? Who was "too socialist" and by that do you mean adventurism?
You got a source on these claims?
The Kronstadt rebellion is a "claim" now, is it? What about the mass-murder campaign the Bolsheviks used to repress the Makhnovists in Ukraine? Is that now a "claim," too?
Last time I checked none of these were "claims" - they were, and still are, merely recorded history.
Claims are statements without proof, and this was a list of claims without any historical reference. Kronstadt rebellion did happen, and the Makhnovists did exist.
So historical record only qualifies as proof when they align with your ML vibes?
Is that it?
Don't waste your time on her.
Please be mindful of folks' pronouns
Whooop sorry, fixed it. 😅
It's why they made ProleWiki, facts hurt their dead dictators' feelings.
What? I just didn't know what you were referring.
I am making no critiques of the USSR in this statement. I am critiquing an approach I see leftists take with modern colonial-imperialist regimes that aren't the United States today. If I want to overthrow the imperial powers of today, I have to do so by helping the people resisting their oppressors where ever they are, even if their oppressors oppose my oppressors. The people can only ever free themselves, they can never be freed by an external force. If I am going to call myself anti-imperial, I am going to act and speak in support of people resisting oppression be that a genocide in Latin America, Sudan, the Congo, or Palestine.
Yes! And I'm red team!
Oh for fucks sake, not this shit again.
Maybe engage with the fact it's actually a CIA conspiracy.
what about independent Uyghur news outlets? specifically one that was founded in response to trump gutting RFAs Uyghur service (from 20 reporters to just 1)
"Independent" and it's funded by the NED.
source/proof?
Hey look, the dipshit Marxist didn't give one but instead downvoted you.
Surely they have proof. Any day now...
CIA funded and controlled just like RFA