Roman education program working as intended
3d 14h ago by thelemmy.club/u/Grumpus_Maximus in historymemes@piefed.social from thelemmy.club
Explanation For Those Wondering: One of the worst Roman military defeats in the history of the Empire was the Battle of Teutoburg Forest.
... at that battle, the Germanic tribes were led by one Arminius, who was a German prince who was trained as an officer by the Romans, and put that military education to good use.
I'd watch that movie
Barbarians is a TV series about it! Season 1 is about the battle and the lead-up, and it's pretty good!
Also, the Romans speak Latin, which is cool af
Season 2 is about the aftermath, and the quality dropoff is astounding. Definitely skip Season 2.
I do find it hilarious how the Romans speak in period-appropriate Latin, but the Germanic tribes just speak modern german. Sounds so strange
I believe it's a German production, so it's the equivalent of the barbarians speaking English. Just translation convention. The Romans speaking Latin, thus, makes them seem more 'alien' and imposing. Also, it's metal af
Appropriate username
germans should've spoken allemanisch a.k.a. switzerdütsch.
I'm not sure the tutorial worked, he's wearing the cheek protection on the top.
It's supposed to be a helmet with wings, not a Roman one.
Helmets with wings never existed beside some statues here and there, it's a myth that celts had that. 19th c. archaeologists found helmets with the cheek protections flattened and turned up, and thought they were wings. They had the same Roman styled helmets. Except Arminius here who clearly couldn't follow instructions.
You're clearly just jealous cuz you can't handle their drip.
Yes, never said they were real, just said what the artist intended to portray.
Helmets with wings and other crests are known to have been worn by Celtic peoples.
Decoratively and ceremonially, not in combat.
"Decoratively and ceremonially" is a far cry from "never existed beside some statues here and there, it’s a myth that celts had that." and contemporary Roman depictions sometimes show Celtic and Germanic peoples wearing helmets with various crests in combat situations, as do contemporary literary descriptions.
The most common form of helmet would not have had ornate crests, but that's it. Not all historical combat gear is streamlined for maximum aerodynamics. Spectacle and prestige are major components of pre-modern warfare.
The image of the winged helmet comes from 19th c. archaeology mistakes, and the fact that we later figured out that the Celts did have crests and that some of those had wings (with a whole bird, which is what Roman descriptions talk about) does not validate that misinterpretation. It's cherrypicking. Sticking with the wings specifically in the form that came from that misinterpretation, and not the actual ceremonial helmets that we found later, is still spreading the myth. The image that someone else posted up there looks nothing like the meme that is just the classic Asterix / German opera depiction.
I think it's a farther cry to claim that the Celts had "winged helmets" when what they had was a whole ass turkey pigeon up there.
You're absolutely right, I have no idea where someone would get the idea for winged helmets in antiquity, that's absolutely absurd
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Not Celts.
That story is most likely Roman propaganda to justify their loss against a "barbaric" culture. In recent history its a story mostly used by faschist to tell a tale about how strong the germanic tribes used to be. I think its highly questionable to tell the story as historic fact.
That story is most likely Roman propaganda to justify their loss against a “barbaric” culture. In recent history its a story mostly used by faschist to tell a tale about how strong the germanic tribes used to be. I think its highly questionable to tell the story as historic fact.
fucking what
Neither Arminius nor the Battle of Teutoburg Forest are in dispute in modern academia.
The battle is not disputed. If Arminius the barbarian "prince" had the role in the story or even existed is highly questionable.
If Arminius the barbarian “prince” had the role in the story or even existed is highly questionable.
... no, it really fucking isn't. Arminius is accepted almost universally, possibly literally universally, as a historical figure in academia.
It's also completely plausible. The romans absolutely did shit like that and it is entirely possible that it backfired spectacularly in this case as it did in others (less spectacularly).
The legend oft the barbarian "prince" Arminius however is questionable.