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3d 6h ago by lemmy.today/u/sanitation in me_irl from lemmy.today
Connections and work experience are all that matter.
Im a teacher. I cant teach without a degree. No amount of connections will change that.
I suppose so.
I cant teach without a degree
laughs in Oklahoman
I’m so glad I went 40k into a job that expects me to spend $1000/yr to fund my own classroom, and also is basically illegal as a trans person now, and now effectively requires no qualifications at all.
I live in a first world country so things are different here.
Well yeah obviously there are exceptions for that. But for your 08/15 office job you don't actually need a degree if you look at the job routines. Employers just often require one to limit the number of applicants, I guess?
Right. Im just saying getting a degree that actually makes you employable is still worth it. People are really down on secondary education but its not all just useless.
You’re right, but teachers are paid less than non-degreed positions so that’s not really a great counterpoint.
Lol. Maybe in the US. My pay is great.
Ah yes, I am referring to US teachers. The median pay is around $40K, which is sad because I was making that right out of high school and by the time I reached my 40s I was making right at $70K without a degree.
You say that, but as someone currently looking for work using connections and 10 years of experience, I suspect that over 50% of my applications are rejected due to lack of a degree.
I think the market is just poor right now also. I feel like we are nose diving into another recession
Depends in the field. I'm currently getting a masters that is not useful for the actual job at all, but is legally required for me to move up to the next position.
A college degree in many fields are an entry stamp to some higher paid positions. What they don't tell kids is that gate isn't reached until after 10-15 years of experience. Many people never reach it at all.
The entry level pay for college graduates also sucks in many fields. My first professional job that required a degree paid less than some of the jobs I worked to pay for college. Universities also push students into fields where they get funding for, not what the job market actually needs.
The ROI for college before entering the workforce often only makes sense if the student doesn't go into debt for it.
You also have the unfortunate reality that your field can be deleted at any time by the next president (in my case, environmental).
College is fucking great. Go to learn shit and/or have experiences you won't get anywhere else.
Either way ...
"It's you against the world, and you will not win. But you get to make your moves, not them." - Ben Chang
I've paid what at this point, I've paid like 25K to my student loans since 2012. I started with 35K in debt. Now it's at 50K. Yup, this is going to be with me the rest of my life at this point.
I can honestly say that going back to college and finishing my degree was the best decision I have ever made in my entire life. Granted, I'm in STEM, and in a field that has way more positions available than people to fill them, so my experience may not apply to everyone, but my life is definitely in a much better place than I was ~10 years ago.
That's not to say things are perfect. There are obviously still struggles and hardships and challenges, and I definitely still feel like I'm stuck in the rat race sometimes; but I'm actually running the race instead of getting trampled, and I get cheese instead of starving.
in a field that has way more positions available than people to fill them
Can you share what field?
Specialized ME, but from what I've seen, pretty much any non-software engineering degree is having no problem finding jobs right now.
Yeah, I'm an industrial engineer and it's not easy finding work as manufacturing ain't doing great, but it's not terrible
Well, fuck me then because all I have studied has been software related and I was planning getting to uni to see if getting a higher title helped find a job... if I wanted to change career it would take me at least another two years living with my progenitors and I can't fucking take that anymore.
College is useful and good. Don't let some fucking meme scare you away from higher education.
Me too knock-off Betty White, me too...
Now imagine not having any post-secondary because ability/lack of privilege/whatever and realise people making heaps less than you are facing the same crippling price gouging while trillionaires exist.
A college degree generally represents a large delta in lifetime earnings (even when fed into a net present value calculation) over not having a degree. It's a significant advantage in relative terms.
But recent grads still feel disappointed (and perhaps feel deceived) because they were told that it was a ticket towards a comfortable financial position in absolute terms.
And college costs have soared so that a larger percentage of that delta is captured by someone else, and the return on investment is lower on average and slightly riskier.
That's the system working as intended