House Democrat slams US-Iran peace deal as ‘basically a surrender document’
2d 11h ago by lemmy.today/u/sanitation in politics from thehill.com
Drumpf's little war did exactly what it was supposed to do
Israel annexed more of Palestine, and had seized significant amounts of Lebanon
They'll keep chipping away further and the west would will mostly ignore it for fear of being labelled as antisemites
This was nothing more than Trump doing what he was told by Netanyahu, in the hope of getting some money and keeping the dirt Israel has on him kept under wraps
Also, less media coverage of the Epstein files
It is backfiring, though. Support for Israel is plummeting globally. Accusations of antisemitism are meaningless now because Israel changed the meaning of the word: an antisemite is just a person who criticizes Israeli foreign policy.
Just to further add support for Israel is collapsing in the US on both the left and the right, sure it's for different reasons but the effect will be the same regardless. Once the forgotten and boomers are gone or otherwise weakened Israel will probably be dropped like a bad habit, so they have ten years maximum in my estimation.
I can't wait for all mainstream media to sane-wash the last ~5 months and not at all acknowledge Trump wasted thousands of lives and billions of dollars to embolden and empower Iran as a 4th world power that now controls the flow of most all oil globally.
Democrats hoping slam is a cool enough verb to carry them through midterms.
I'm wondering how they're going to lose the midterms.
Theyll do things like:
- say trans woman shouldnt be allowed to do sports
- say they think abortion is regretable but should still be allowed if the doctor thinks it should
- say that Iran needs to fall, just not like this
- say that Israel has a right to defend itself to justify genocide
- back datacenters and tech companies and mass surveillance
Shit, they should put me in a thinktank or whatever
Gotta back those donors and "work across the aisle."
C'mon guys, white supremacy isn't that bad. We've got free Klan hoods from the republicans.
Oh we'll find a way. Schumer always does
Americana have already lost it.
I mean we attacked them without provocation... destroyed huge sections of their civilian infrastructure, committed a bunch of war crimes on them.
There should be reparations for that. What sucks is Trump isn't being impeached tried as a war criminal for all this.
What sucks is - Cuba is next imo.
They realized their mistake - can't do much about strong country that has support, but can still choke off smaller country in our own hemisphere.
I think trump will attack cuba and this time there will be no ussr that can help. I think all before midterms, cuz they want some victory for their base to offset a defeat from Iran before midterms.
It might work, we can operate from our own bases, should be cheap.
“And yet, I will still say that stopping this war and getting out of it is the best that we can do at this point,” he continued. “And so that’s why we are still hoping for a deal, even though we have to admit it’s a losing deal for America.”
So he doesn't want it to continue. He just decided to publicly insult Trump's fragile little ego as a way to... get him to commit to the deal?
Anyway in about 4 days Trump will be threatening to blow them back to the stone age again so it doesn't even matter
What the fuck do they expect from dipshit don?
Me, quietly hoping that this drag on long enough for the oil reserves to hit 0 and the price to spike.
I am very well aware of the disparity in military power between the two sides, but to be honest I’m pretty surprised at what little strategy Iran seem to have in this conflict, beyond “lob drones and missiles at infrastructure in neighbouring countries and hope some of it hits”.
There has been surprisingly little in the way of asymmetrical warfare. No significant cyber attacks. No direct attacks on US interests in other countries (beyond the aforementioned lobbing of drones/missiles in nearby gulf countries). No injection/activation of terror cells into US soil. No successful sneak attacks in the night against US forces. No hostage taking. Nothing.
About the only thing they’ve had going for them is keeping the straight closed. And if the announced peace deal is real and it gets opened up again, then they’ve lost even that. They could likely keep it closed at this point until it really hurts, letting the world know who is ultimately to blame — but if the US administration is to be believed (difficult, I know!) it seems they gave up on even that.
I’m not disappointed (the Iranian regime can fuck right off) — but for a country that has been calling for the “death” of the “great Satan” United States for the last several decades I was expecting some sort of strategy. Tossing missiles around isn’t really “strategy” — and if they tried anything else it was apparently so ineffectual as to be not notable.
All of which makes me wary of the announcement of a “deal” to actually end the war. I half expect Iran is playing games here just trying to drag things out, looking like they’re an honest partner on the world stage, all the while keeping oil flowing as slowly as possible while they wait out stored oil to completely dry out globally.
I think the US admin is as much the one playing games here as Iran in regards to the peace deal. I think that trump wanted good news and figured he could get a bump from announcing a peace deal.
And I do think Iran has had some pretty solid strategy here, direct attacks on civilian infrastructure in the US would probably generate some amount of public support for the admin, which would not be in Iran’s interest. The best leverage they have for winning the war is public opinion in the US In the lead up to the mid terms. That and pushing a wedge between the gulf states and the US.
By focusing on the industrial targets in the gulf states, taking out oil infrastructure, hitting expensive military targets like AWACs planes, and just generally exhausting the US’s supply of interceptor missiles. They’re making this super painful for the US in a way the maximizes public discontent in the US while minimizing opportunities for the US media to propagandize.
And they also need a very good peace deal, something that will be hard for trump to just back out of again in 6 months. They’ve been very clear on what they want and these constant delays have largely been down to the us admin basically ignoring everything they’re asking about, that and Israel refusing to be bound by any agreements the US makes. If anything the US admin has been playing stupid games by agreeing to negotiations and then just refusing to negotiate other than to demand more. I’ll be pretty surprised if the current deal that Iran is agreeing to goes though, I suspect this is just the US admin fishing for positive headlines to juice the market. Realistically the US is on a timer, if they can’t get at least some capacity going again before the strategic reserves of oil run out then we’re looking at the global economy going on life support.
I’m not saying the leadership in Iran are some strategic masterminds, but they’re mildly competent and the decision makers in the US just… aren’t. Like, it’s pretty easy to win a game of chess when your opponent is a chimp that keeps eating it’s own pieces.
Have they tried bashing the deal?
Democrats calling for more war?
It's like we're an imperialist nation and both major parties and reigning in fascism or something...
Not like we'd actually pay reparations for an illegal war and impeach and convict all those responsible with treason.
I'd even say deport them to Iran.
Peace with Iran is a win for the world. Lets not confuse trump ending his zionist fellating war with some sort of loss for the US. Its a win. This is exactly the outcome we all wanted.
Yes in the sense that ending a war is good, but this is absolutely a loss. We’re now AT BEST where we were with the previous treaty minus $300,000,000,000 and a lot of lives. Starting this at all was a loss, ending it is only stopping the damage from getting worse.
totally accurate. I just dont want people being angry that peace broke out and seeing a "loss for the US" as a loss for them.