Trump is paying Iran with taxpayer money
2d 5h ago by discuss.online/u/VetOfTheSeas in antitrumpalliance from discuss.online
So we agree to:
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give them $1000 for every man woman and child in the US
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pull our military out of the Middle East
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let them sponsor terrorism across the region
And in return, they agree to start negotiations
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Are you tired of all this winning yet?
sponsor terrorism across the region
That seems highly subjective; and given whom America supports, Iran my not seem like the worst sponsor in the region.
Isreal is the modern terrorist organization, and they are hurting the whole world.
That being said Hamas sucks too.
Yeah, man. You know that kid who threw the rock at his lifelong bully and torturer? ThEy'Re ThE SaMe kInD Of bAd.
More like threw rocks at the bully’s little sister while she was at a concert and had nothing to do with the bully’s actions. Nothing wrong with resistance, but targets matter and in this case Hamas chose poorly and lost the optics advantage they could’ve had on the international stage. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Hamas didn't choose poorly per se; they didn't even know about the festival and the other places they attacked did have IDF bases that seemed to be the main targets. Now that doesn't excuse the atrocities committed during October 7th, but save for the hostage taking there's no evidence any of them were planned by Hamas leadership. Their real sin here is allowing these atrocities to happen and not cracking down on them before or after the fact. At the risk of repeating myself, October 7th did include plenty of war crimes, but it was more targeted than people give it credit for. To run with your analogy, it's like going to throwing rocks at the bully and also tossing some at their little sister because she happened to be there.
Its more like grabbing the little sister because the Bully has your dad, uncle and brother captive in what used to be your basement. So you take her as a bargaining chip up to the treehouse all the while the bully is indiscriminately pelting you with rocks. Hitting you and his own sister multiple times, while actively trying to collapse the treehouse holding you and his sister.
Its more like grabbing the little sister because the Bully has your dad, uncle and brother captive in what used to be your basement.
Those are the hostages; I was referring to the other stuff (you know, the rapes and massacres and all that). A lot of what Hamas did on October 7th was pointless and unjustifiable and a lot was legitimate resistance against a colonial oppressor; there's no reason to ignore one part for the other.
Not gonna lie, call me a psychopath, but I have a really REALLY hard time feeling bad for Israelis. And I know its a mixed bag and not everyone there is a racist, xenophobic, imperialist bigot, but yeah I really just don't give a damn.
And you might say,
"blah blah the US is the same, how would you feel if Native Americans started kidnappings people etc."
And my response to that, as an American, would be,
"Good. Took em fucking long enough."
Not gonna lie, call me a psychopath, but I have a really REALLY hard time feeling bad for Israelis.
Sure, but even then giving Zionists real facts to point to when they try to discredit the cause only helps them, making unnecessary war crimes actively detrimental. The fight with Israel will be won or lost based on international support (or lack thereof), which is why both sides try so hard to gain it for themselves and deny it to the other side. In a situation like this, parading dead bodies of civilians on video actively harms the Palestinian cause.
Nuance
Yet Israel also funds Hamas.
See? It sucks
watches the united states carpetbomb a country for no fuckin' reason
"let them sponsor terrorism"
man, americans can't see themselves, can they
Well sew that was last week. We haven't been terrorists in ages. Promise.
Both those things are true, this isn't some gotcha
They always know better. Trump will MAGA, you'll see. When he dies or gets jailed.
Average american
let them sponsor terrorism
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America is a terrorist state. Screaming freedom all the time doesn't change the truth.
Does it change anything about the comment you are replying to?
Hangars sitting dripped in oil, crying "Freedom!"
let them sponsor terrorism
???
Who were the terrorists in this exchange again?
Woah, woah... schoolgirls are totally justified military targets
/s
ESH
Because Iran has never supported terrorism?
Can you all stop fucking treating sides in world conflicts like they are your favorite football teams?
Doing the Micheal Brown "He was no Angel" bit to justify bombing elementary schools and hospitals.
Everyone?
I don't remember Iran sponsoring any terrorism in the region
I do remember the US and Israel sponsoring and being sponsored to be terrorists in the region and outside the region
So the agreement could be simpler.... It basically says the US (and allies) stop breaking internationallaw, and pay Iran a fuckload of money to rebuild all the stuff they blew up while breaking international law. Iran must agree to continue to abide by the lawful agreements that were in place before the pointless and illegal US military assault.
Magastan win, amirite? Gosh what a load of morons. But if anything is needed as proof that Magastan doesn't have a monopoly on morons, just look at people from abroad still travelling there...
Magastan win, amirite?
They got to kill tens of thousands of Muslims and made us pay for it
:'-(
Imo, paying for reconstruction is the moral thing to do when there is no rational basis for a war. I have no idea whether $300b is the right amount.
The highest estimated cost by the OBM for universal healthcare in the US is $290B.
Just gonna leave that here.
and it can be taken out of the overbloated defense budget too, and they still have more than enough for thier big guns and toys.
So less then what we pay now? Or am I reading this wrong.
Yeah, it objectively has to be far, far less. Tax payers directly funding health providers would destroy a great amount of the demand for such a massive private health insurance industry, which is why we pay so much in the first place.
You are correct, even the absolute highest estimates for universal healthcare are still notably lower than what we pay now. The real number would be drastically lower though.
Some estimates by the OBM actually saved taxpayers money.
That would be an expected consequence.
We have a dizzying maze of providers, insurance, and regulations that produce a horrible bureaucracy that puts any tangled mess the government comes up to shame, inefficiencies everywhere.
Universal healthcare is just such a simpler system that it's hard to make it worse than what's going on right now.
Estimates have the total destruction of Iranian infrastructure at closer to $1T.
For the war itself hard to say, for the decades of sanctions? It makes complete sense if not undershooting their costs
no rational basis for a war
It's a gay-hanging dictatorship with a religious doomsday wish looking to get nuclear weapons
Who America?
It's like the US on steroids
Cause we got Tiny balls?
If that mattered, we'd be going to war with genocidal Pissrael, who has done far worse than anything Iran has even thought of doing.
It was for the oil and at the behest of the Zionazis who own the US government. But you know that.
Israel and all the other allied oil monarchies, BTW.
As a fellow gay, I don't care. War is war and war is bad. Genocide is bad. How horrible the party you're opening a war against is doesnt change this.
I'm sure all the gay kids growing up there are feeling warm inside knowing you want them to see them swing in peace
Yeah, I'm sure they're all just yearning to be carpet bombed by Israel
The important thing is that we associate any local LGBT movement with a foreign government bombing civilian infrastructure. That's sure to help!
Just so we're clear, this is what you support
Support?
And that's different from the US how? Right, they already have nuclear weapons.
Israel already has nuclear weapons. But otherwise yeah I agree. Israel is a nasty country.
Translation for the linguistically impaired? 🥺
Why would you say these things about America?
We should call this what it is: the terms of America's surrender.
Not really any other way to read it
Full throated US capitulation, abject contrition, and a stack of blood money from here to the moon is the least we could do after we massacred Iranians for months in a fully improving conflict.
Next, we should send Hegseth, Rubio, and every member of the Joint Chiefs who failed to retire to the Hague
More like the cost Trump wanted to pay for the genocide of hundreds of thousands of people.
Ngl, I've been rooting for Iran this whole time. I want America to get its ass kicked, it's not my country anymore, it's my jailer.
He happily pays the 300b surender money and the even higher costs for refilliing American armories from taxpayers money, knowing well that the Epstein class does not participate in this taxpaying game, anyway.
The bit everyone else seems to be missing. Just like with Iraq and Afghanistan, this war is happening on the backs of working class Americans.
Nobody in TrumpWorld is paying a penny. Quite a few of them are cleaning up on Pentagon contracts.
Estimating this fiasco will cost at least $600B, that sits around $2000 per American. That doesn't even factor in the indirect costs like increased oil prices, decreased trade, and lost jobs. That lot sure is winning!
That lot sure is winning!
I mean, we're all in this boat together, whether or not we've had a hand in navigating it.
Not only they are not paying attention penny they are literally making money on this 100%
What matters to him is that he personally got richer with all the market manipulation. That's it.
Good thing he has all these quality years of life left to enjoy that money
That's why if you noticed he has (somewhat) switched to slapping his name all over stuff. First term it was all advertising and business deals. But now he's trying to tie himself to the 250th anniversary, put his name all over every bill and building. It's his son's that are running all the insider trading deals and background economic tricks.
He's dying and he knows it so he's trying to smear his stupid name all over before he goes.
kushner specifically is spearheading the ME fiasco from behind the scenes.
His fuck-trash and grand-fuck-trash will reap the rewards. We need to find away to take it all away from them and put them all away for decades. If not prison, then reeducation work camps. We will never get past this unless, ultimately, nobody ends up profitting from either of Trump's farcical administrations.
So then Isreal bombs Lebanon.
This is the song that never ends...
Unless Trump never intends on finishing negotiations.
Why stop the market manipulation train now? He can keep this going for another 3 years!
Imagine the world's second trillionaire got there by corruption alone lol that would be peak America for sure...
Except it would happen on the global stage so its peak humanity.
Yeah I wouldn't believe anything they promise until they deliver.
Which would fuck everyone else, as usually happens with his decisions. Stupidity can be so expensive for most of us.
he will just fall asleep after binging of various drugs.
Isn't this about the MOU from a month ago?
Fucking hate tweets with the date cropped out. They're always trying to peddle BS by doing that
It isn't like he is going pay with his money.
If you think this is crazy, wait till you find out who was paying for all the bombs we dropped on them
America First!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 Well done Mr. Trump. /s
Keep in mind, any deal with Trump isn’t worth the paper it’s written on
And israel will adhere to none of it. It's too bad we don't invade them, dismantle the state, and free all the illegally detained prisoners of ethnic cleansing. Maybe when more boomers die out.
Why invade them when you could simply "not send money and weapons daily." They would dismantle anyways.
So what happens when Israel doesn't stop? Iran could totally flatten Israel if Israel was abandoned by allies and US would never abandon Israel so seems like US will be pulled back in or have to get rid of Netanyahu right? This seems like it'll never end omg
Get back to me when the surrender document includes a US declaration of war against Israel.
I wish they would hold out past November
Why?
Because fucknut Trump voters only understand things when it personally hurts them.
So Trump is extra fucked in the midterms.
It's not like Democrats are any less genocidal, they just pretend to be sorry about it. But I can't deny I'd take pleasure in seeing Trump lose, even if the other side isn't any better.
Thanks for explaining.
dems wont save things this time, especially with so many dems siding with israel and the fumbling of the shutdown.
Oh I have no illusion that they will save anything at all. I will take pleasure in Trump's loss, not their victory. Then I'll attempt to do my part against their genocidal government just like I did under Biden.
If he gives them enough taxpayers’ cash, they may let him build a Trump Tower in Tehran, meaning that the House of Trump-Kushner theoretically wins.
LMAOF... MAGAs are so stupid
And we all suffer for it.
Yah, how did you expect the orange terd to respond once he lost??
what do you mean Trump? its not his money
For reference, German reparations for WW1 were about $600B in today's dollars.
WW1 was an actual war, something they keep denying here, so if the cost of 4 years of catastrophic war is only 2x absolutely no war, sounds like a bad deal.
It makes sense because we did destroy boats and buildings.
The triangle of Bermuda is open, so we attack Bermuda, they close the triangle, then we close it, then they sink some of the boats who wanted to cross. Then we stop our blockade and start begging and sucking their cock to negotiate. They sink a few more boats, we sink a few more boats. Then we beg again to open the triangle. They finally agree, but all boats can go thru if they pay passage entry. Then we blockade again. We tell the world that the agreement is almost ready with a few hours. Several months later we finally agree to go ahead and pay for the stuff we broke. They open the triangle again and we can again use it. That's sort of what I understand.
He was right in his original messaging. We are so sick of winning right now.
What do we offer for the $300B? Idk can we just continue not having nukes?? Okay sweet fair deal.
As they should.
I've heard from a few reputable sources that 300$ billion is Iranian money currently sanctioned to be unsanctioned.
Still doesn't make it right but technically it's not taxpayer money.
I may, and probably am, be wrong
Isn't that the other 12B? So 12B unsanctioned, 300 out of pocket.
They are seeking reparations for the malicious damage incurred.
Public money paid every cost to embark on this campaign of terror and the public will be on the hook.
He so so so won here.
Art of the deal bro
Yes and no, it would have cost a lot more to go in there and get the nuclear material if they do surrender it. That is the big if though.
Don't sanewash their bullshit, man. US and Israel attacked Iran to distract from Gaza, further destabilize the region, attempt to push Iranian citizens into revolt, and weaken Lebanon by attacking their ally. They thought it would be an easy in-and-out like the 12‐day war last year. This was never about nukes, cause how the fuck could it be?
Don't forget the distraction from the other half of the Epstein files.
Do you believe the IAEA and Iran were lying about their uranium enrichment?
I don't give a single shit if Iran gets nukes. If Iran had nukes, then the psychos in Washington would have to think twice the next time they decide they want to jerk off to bombing schoolchildren.
Here's the thing. No one should have nukes. But, because those of them with them refuse to give them up, and they start another war every quarter, backyard diplomacy dictates that you join the MAD club. Those fucks want to pretend like everyone's playing by the rules when they're still acting the fucking colonist, then I say every country on earth should have nukes cause these fuckheads can't act right. Wouldn't be destabilizing the middle east if any one of them could end it all if you tried anything.
North Korea got nukes, suddenly no one's interested in turning up the heat on them any more. Hmm, odd that.
Doesnt matter
Obama negotiated a deal where we could literally walk in and inspect their facilities capable of refining nuclear material at any time for the price of a plane ticket. the only reason there's concern that they're producing weapon-grade nuclear material is because Trump couldn't handle the idea of a black man accomplishing something and wiped his ass with that agreement
Obama's deal would have let them enrich as much as they want after 2030, and it let go almost all sanctions to buy them off just for that.
Might have sounded great in 2015, but it was basically just dumping double the amount of shit on the next generation
Would it? Is it so bad if they had a nuke? MAD has still held. And throughout this conflict Iran has hardly been the one you'd describe as irrational.