JD Vance Confirms Iran Will Get Jaw-Dropping Sum Under Trump Deal
2d 3h ago by lemmy.world/u/inclementimmigrant in politics from newrepublic.com
Just like with everything else, his Art of the Deal leaves us with less than what we had before.
How much has this cost the USA? How much would NHS style healthcare cost?
A fraction of what your regular military budget is. Hell, a fraction of what the government already pays for healthcare.
The money was never the problem.
Nope, cruelty was always the point.
But think of the poor insurance shareholders!
I do.
How much has this cost the USA?
When you consider how much we'd lose continuing to fight the war, it's a net gain.
The cost was bombing Iran to begin with, not paying reparations for the damage done.
I meant the whole thing. It’s been one huge needless fuck up from start to finish.
Needed to do something to distract from the epstein files, they were getting to much attention.
and it worked.
Whens the last time you saw media mention epstein? now that they've been spoonfed their constant IV of controversy with regards to the baseless attack on Iran?
The market manipulation with constant monday/friday announcements were just a happy bonus for their benefactors.. and whens the last time you saw media mention this, either?
and it worked
The CBS buyout and the AI infestation of media has done more to quell Epstein talk than the war.
What we're experiencing outside a few niche social media holdouts is an automated smothering of discourse.
now that they’ve been spoonfed their constant IV of controversy with regards to the baseless attack on Iran?
You can trace this kind of journalism back to the Clinton Administration. It's not new.
What is new is the gobbling up of public broadcasters and news outlets and media feeds.
Paramount too
Ask yourself one better: how much would Cuba style healthcare cost?
Would it even cost one bomber to buy their entire system and have it shipped here?
The system is free - it uses the same stuff! - but the governmental changes required would be too much.
(Cuba and Canada used the same system until conservatives started making Canada a little mercenary, so Cuba is like Canada but more affordable and equal)
It would cost the ultra wealthy the power they have over the proletariat.
Less than what taxpayers have paid directly to Trump organizations I'd imagine
How much has this cost the USA?
Probably a lot on bombs, fuel, inflation etc. but this isn't really costing us anything. These were funds that Iran held in the US prior to trump pulling out of the iran deal the first time and were frozen because of sanctions. So it's more returning money that we stole rather then paying Iran with US taxpayer money.
That's the $25B. What about the $300B?
The thing is, Congress is in bed with defense primes. This made them a lot of money. The american people on the other hand...
Really? My murder based stocks went down over this. They did not exactly cover themselves with glory, and it cost a lot of business outside the states. I really wish I could buy murder stocks from South Korea or Europe.
It's nice to know they were able to spend my tax dollars rebuilding Iran after they spent my tax dollars destroying Iran. I'm very happy the prices on everything went up so they could do that.
Looks like the Gulf petrostates will fund it
And Iran thinks he will pay? Lol a Trump never pays his debts.
Trump is a lot more generous when it's not his money. He'll pay.
He treats our money like it's his.
See, that’s the thing though - he doesn’t. He never pays his own debts and never spends a dollar he doesn’t have to when it comes to his own money. When it comes to taxpayer money though? He’ll firehose that shit in whatever direction he feels like.
Congress has to agree to disburse it and that is no guarantee.
That's a good idea! Trump should get a loan to pay that himself. Maybe a 50year loan? A Wargage! It's a mortgage for wars. Let's say you can't pay right now, but you would really like to get rid of some country. You get a Wargage and just pay the minimum for 50 years! Get your family members into it to help you and you could own a war in no time! We just need a billion down payment and some collateral.
This is low key a good premise for a bit. Maybe add banker jargon, something about FHA loans and FAFSA applications and an intergalactic bank holding Trump personally responsible for billions
He never pays with his money, this isn't his money and if gas prices go down a fairly large percentage of americans will say "we kicked Iran's ass".
It is to be paid by the Gulf coast coalition, so yes, Iran will see the money.
Regardless of where the money comes from, handing over $300 billion to Iran after we attacked them is a bad look.
I can’t fathom there being a good look at the end of this. The decapitation strike was stupidly underbaked, the later attacks were poorly orchestrated, the broad lack of planning seemed almost intentional. We spent money to lose money, and kill children.
Honestly, I’m seeing a lot of parallels with the Russia/georgia/ukraine situation with the US/venezuela/iran
Not to his base, as soon as gas drops a Lil bit they will be screaming "fuck yeah we showed them not to fuck with us" meanwhile Iran is probably going to come out ahead in all this (except for human life ,which doesn't seem to bother their leadership)
No no you seem to have misunderstood...
The billions are to be paid by the Gulf Coast Coalition. You know, the GCC
Regardless of where the money comes from,
I'm aware of where JD Vance is claiming the money will come from.
It doesn't matter. It still looks really fucking bad.
When they open the Strait because JD promised them they're getting 300 bill from the magical supertree... who's the one looking bad?
You don’t think they would close it again once they realize they’ve been tricked?
Bruh.
Sure, but they'll look like fools
You're sorely mistaken - the US is the only one looking like fools here.
Yeah sure if Iran gets played by checks notes JD vance and checks again Marco Rubio they're gonna look like a bunch of friggin masterminds
And we'll go back to begging them to reopen the Strait while gas prices skyrocket again.
Yeah, I think we just helped Iran figure out their foreign policy and foreign income for the next 20 years
The Persian gulf area petro states, or their leaders, have profited really well from the combination of American military and American thirst. Usually I bet they’re happy to throw a little cash wherever we say. But being in the hook for this much money because Trump attacked for no reason and no planning? That has to make them unhappy.
Yet more losing the influence we once had. Winning!?!?
Gulf Cooperation Council
The gulf coasts will pay, Israel will violate the peace, and the money will be gone. The only way this holds is if Israel provides guarantors for the peace that will live in Iran. Preferably Ben Gvir and Netenyahus kids.
Why only send a couple, when you can send the whole Knesset? Someone needs to dig the tunnels again that were destroyed. No tools, bare hands.
It's not Trump's money. He'd give them trillion's of US taxpayers' money if it made him look better.
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Americans will be bankrupted by the Iran Deal
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Iranians are stupid if they think the Americans will pay what they agree
Somehow these are two bad things that we're supposed to juggle in our heads simulateously.
Where is the American liberal out saying "Holy fuck, we were wrong to attack and Iran deserves far more than the pittance Trump is offering"? Where is the American liberal saying "The Federal government should not continue to be allowed to welch on it's debts to the people it has wronged. We must hold future administrations to the task of reparations we've agreed to today"?
Instead, it's just a litany of "Trump Bad! Trump Bad!" as though the rest of the federal system wasn't rubber stamping this Holocaust from day one.
Hm, so the teabaggers kept going on and on (and on) about Obama's deal and now DonOLD is talking about 300 billion in reparations?
Unfortunately they won't care about the $300 billion at all, because it'll never appear on Fox News or their safe spaces on social media. At most they've already signaled it will be completely lied about as an "investment fund" that will imply some value in return without promising, follow-up or accountability.
Besides Trump will just lie and they'll believe him
For reparations NOW. That's IF we stop bombing them NOW. THIS price will only go UP.
The Israelis will never tolerate peace in that region. This is a temporary ceasefire at best until the US midterm elections pass.
What on earth would the midterms change? The D party is even more corrupted by Israel than the R party.
“My job is to fight for Israel, and all that Israel needs” —D leader Chuck Schumer
Don't you mean until Trump steals the next election?
Even then the price will go up, now that they have a strong bargaining position and understand exactly where to put their leverage. Be ready for them to “renegotiate” in a year
We raped Iran, and then paid them off to shut them up. Yep, Trump definitely negotiated this.
Art of the deal, indeed.
When do I get a refund for all the extra money I paid for fuel over the past few months? My job involves driving - I've put about 5,000 miles on my car since the beginning of April - so I'm definitely noticing the difference.
US citizens serving on the home front during WWII sacrificed all sorts of basic foods and materials, all to help the war effort and, you know, defeat the spread of fascism. Today, we paid out the ass to fill our cars up at the pump for months, just so we could drive to work. And all so Trump could accomplish…nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing. He fucked with the stock market for a bit, and then capitulated like the fat fucking bitch that he is. And the people who support him, probably the people most affected by all of this bullshit, will still support him.
If you drive for work and pay for your own gas too you’re also getting fucked. We all are but like, that’s extra fucked. I really hope you get paid a whole lot, enough to offset that cost, it seems backwards to drive for work AND pay for the gas.
I'm an independent contractor and deduct mileage from my taxes.
Remember when those cocksuckers complained about democrats giving Iran their own money back in exchange for a nuclear agreement? Now we’re giving them half a trillion just so they’ll go back to the status quo from a year ago?
Remember when they illegally sold weapons to Iran so they could illegally fund Contras in Central America?
As they should. The US owes them reparations.
It will go from out of the pockets of the US working class, into the pockets of the politicians who serve the US ruling class and the into the hands of the government of Iran who will promise to serve the interests of the US ruling class.
This isn’t progress for the workers of the world. This is the US ruling class trying to secure their economic position in the region, and the working class in the US and abroad will pay - it might not be felt immediately, but every advance of US imperialism means the lowering of the quality of life for all working class people.
We need to unite as a class internationally.
For fucks sake, why the fuck does anyone believe this will hold until its supposed to be signed on Friday
Vice President JD Vance all but confirmed a detail being floated as part of the tentative U.S.-Iran peace deal: Iranian access to $300 billion in reconstruction funds.
“That’s the sort of thing they could have access to, funded by the Gulf coast coalition, so long as they honor their end of the obligation,” Vance said.
And Mexico the Gulf coast will pay for it!
So the IRGC and the Islamic Republic are still in place, and not only that, America is paying them to stay in place. Properly worst of both worlds lol.
So the IRGC and the Islamic Republic are still in place
American bombs killed a lot of them. We killed a lot of their wives and kids and friends and neighbors, too. We obliterated their homes and hospitals and highways, which will mean a wave of excess deaths come winter. And we killed a lot of the moderate diplomats interested in peaceful negotiations, so we've set the stage for wars to come.
America is paying them to stay in place.
America is paying them to replace all the shit we broke, in the hopes we can once against get access to cheap oil.
The alternative was to keep exchanging salvos - a la Russia/Ukraine - for an indefinite future period in the hopes that... ??? All the conservative Islamists in Iran will... ??? And then we can impose a new regime in Tehran at gunpoint, like we did so successfully in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syria?
So.. that's 1500 dollars per American household.
Will Trump try to pay them with crypto?
It doesn't matter how much they say they're going to pay. We're just going to get another turn of the wheel: we'll be right on the cusp of a deal, then Israel will murder a few thousand people and literally blow the deal up. The war continues but we're still in a ceasefire, the Straight is open but nobody's allowed through, Iran's military capabilities have been completely destroyed but they're still launching missiles. Give it two more weeks and we'll be right on the cusp of a deal with another jaw-dropping offer for Iran that won't matter because they know we'll just turn the wheel again.
So now can we call it? The american empire is done, please just lets call it.
I take pictures of insects to deal with this perpetual nonsense. In the forest things make sense again: https://www.smetterling.eu/, enjoy.
That's some good photos, thanks for sharing.
Hope you got some lush greenery near you as well.
Dump has always been a terrible business man. He's a leech.
Trump: Your dealmaker abilities are laughable. You can't predict even a half-step forward. But I can. Look: I sign peace with Iran and ditch Israel who made things complicated a few times recently. That ditching with pay itself in a year max!
Vance’s admission contradicts what he said on Friday, when he claimed in an X post that Iran would not be “receiving any cash, and no funds are being released simply for signing a deal or attending a meeting.” In addition to the U.S. and its allies paying $300 billion in reconstruction funds, Iran reports that the U.S. has agreed to release $25 billion in frozen Iranian assets.
Interesting that Vance is finally in the news now that he said he wants to run for president...
Wait until you see how much Cuba is going to cost.
The Shart of the Deal.
Art of the deal!
Vice President JD Vance all but confirmed a detail being floated as part of the tentative U.S.-Iran peace deal: Iranian access to $300 billion in reconstruction funds.
Steaks?
Congress will need to ratify this
Congress has been a rubber stamp for the President since Trump 1
This is the same as what Trump called "fake news" yesterday isn't it? What a surprise.
Can someone explain to me in what sense this money is any real kind of loss for the US? They literally own the dollar printing machines. Sure it's going to be some fraction of inflation but it's not as if the US bank account is going to miss this money?
More debt.
The amount of money the government prints and destroys is public information. You can't just raise the first one a ton without making people panic.
You can only do that so much before people stop trusting your currency. Up until recently, the Saudis sold oil exclusively for USD, now they've started selling it for other currencies including yuan.
China sells consumer goods to the US for USD. China gives that USD to the Saudis for oil. The Saudis give that USD back to the US in exchange for bombing civilians in Yemen. That's how things have worked for the past like 50 years.
If the USD (and the US) stops being seen as reliable, then eventually the whole thing falls apart, and we're seeing the first signs of that already. The Saudis will start telling us our bombs are too expensive and China will say the scraps of paper we give them aren't worth it. If we're not dropping bombs on behalf of oppressive monarchies in exchange for oil, and importing cheap goods from underpaid overseas workers, then what do we even have left, as a country?
It's probably for the best for the world in the long term that that system falls apart (provided Americans don't go apeshit and start WWIII, which is a big assumption), and in the very short term of course using the infinite money hack solves a lot of problems, but in the medium term, it's gonna be rocky.
Fortunately, there aren't any other major crises we've been kicking down the road for short term benefits that are going to reach a head in the near future, so we can focus excluively on that.
Debt isn't a problem until it suddenly is. That inflation you're brushing off can get worse, eventually to the point where they're printing money just to stay afloat. We're already at the point where $1 trillion goes to just paying the interest on the debt each year.
For this one thing yeah the small fraction of inflation wouldn't probably be noticeable. But you cannot do it for everything or every fraction adds up to a bunch.
It's the same money that the board of peace is investing in Gaza rn
because it’s actually just a transfer of profit. to a corporation or seven. war is only ever about profit.
Every dollar printed affects the value of every dollar already in circulation. Where that money goes changes who feels it. Printing money to blow up and then subsequently rebuild infrastructure in Iran is going to hurt basically all Americans, although some people (guess who) are probably going to see their share of the pie grow even more because their assets are not held in USD.
It's all so goddamn stupid. If I allow myself to turn to illiberal thoughts I begin to feel like perhaps anyone who supported this clown should have their voting rights permanently stripped. He's the worst president in maybe 150 years. I guess Trump supporters should be thankful the rest of us are so goddamned liberal.
Since a lot of people believe it is the US paying this sum, this is not correct: “That’s the sort of thing they could have access to, funded by the Gulf coast coalition (…)”
So which of these Gulf coast countries agreed to fund this sum?
All of them. Gulf states unfortunately are heavily dependent on the US, which will obviously change slowly in the future.
I haven’t seen any confirmation from these countries that they’ll be paying a total of $300 billion to Iran.
Can you show me where it’s confirmed that they will pay?
Just give me your e-mail address and I will tell all the Gulf states to send you the confirmation.
Oh come on lol
I legitimately have not seen any confirmation of this outside of Vance stating it. With all the back and forth, it’s fair to ask if those countries actually agreed to pay.
Just wanted to be funny, I’m sorry. Unfortunately I have no other confirmation, other than the one from JD Vance. And with the current political situation, JD Vance tries to stay under the radar. This is for me a reason to believe he is not bullshitting anyone.
But yeah, only time will tell the full truth.
Been saying since the start: Iran is in on all this.
Edit: Okay, clearly many of you have not thought this through:
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IRGC Coup -- The IRGC has LONG been wanting to make a move over the Ayatollah. Now the new Ayatollah is a sockpuppet and the IRGC has completely taken over by way of coup.
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Quelled Civil Unrest -- Prior to this conflict, civil unrest in Iran was heavily mounting. Thousands upon thousands out on the street. Now Iranian dissidents hopeful for being rescued were baited out of their homes, only to be slaughtered the first time Trump left them hanging, and the second time Israel and USA suddenly became the new threat and rallied the masses around while also indicating nobody was actually coming to save them from the tyranny within.
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Superficial Damage -- Most damage done to Iran has largely been superficial for media optics. Even their nuclear program has largely remained intact.
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New Cashflow -- Not only has this massively benefitted Russia with lifted oil sanctions, the IRGC got a massive injection into their own economy, both with the new toll system but also the literal cited fucking article above.
I stand by what I said: Iran, or rather a certain faction in Iran, was likely in on it. This makes worlds of sense when you realize how tight Iran, Russia, and Republicans are together.
Everything is a conspiracy when you’re dumb as rocks.
The Iranians closed one of the most important trade routes for several months and then bombed US bases, destroyed aircraft, and deployed drones while holding position. They used a strategic advantage and decades of preparation to cow down a world empire.
In a month we will be feeling this conflict even worse because of the delay in oil production - we’ve been drawing from established strategic supplies that we spent years filling and rotating - and having to buy in a world that’s producing less.
Explain to me why you believe this in any way goes counter to what I wrote. Edited my previous comment, by the way.
Let's explore this together and see who truly hasn't been looking at this further than a puddle's depth, shall we?
Thinking everything was manufactured by the US and Iran is ass backwards.
Question: Who wants the US to go to war with Iran?
Answer: Israel
Israeli lobbyists ask American politicians to fight Iran for them and plenty of presidential candidates have stated that they would love to start a war with Iran, but they never do. Why?
Once a candidate gets into office they get advised by the Joint Chiefs of Staff that Iran is in a fortified position and the military would be unable to invade.
They get told that a war with Iran would disrupt global trade (and it has).
They get told that Israel always asks us to go to war with Iran and that the United States wouldn’t get enough benefit from it.
Trump is the first President to ever fall for Israel’s plot to send the US to war with Iran. That’s the conspiracy. Trump got played and he’s pissed at Israel. And the Israelis are mad that they didn’t get a ground invasion and are now trying to sabotage the peace negotiations.
Screaming Israel over and over does not preclude coordination with Iran and Russia. These things are not mutually-exclusive. This should be abundantly obvious when all parties are lead by psychopaths, and when each and every single one benefit.
This is what you're missing in your obsession over Israel.
Really quick - do you acknowledge Russia' actions in Ukraine are illegal and morally wrong and unjustified?
Thanks for showing your hand. I don’t engage with purity tests, as they’re often used in disinformation campaigns.
Thanks for showing your hand.
Don't usually do the "no u" thing, but it genuinely applies here. Right back at you ;)
Tagged, "Russian simp."
They did game theory and bet on trump being stupid. That's probably as much as them being in on it was.
Occum's razor is a useful tool. As well as the saying "don't attribute to malice to what can be attributed to ignorance"
"don't attribute to malice to what can be attributed to ignorance"
This can be referred to in short hand as Hanlon's razor
Whether it was Trump being stupid, Trump sabotaging the country, or Trump coordinating with them directly -- I'm not even sure that matters so much, but it is very clear that Iran, Russia, and Israel are all better off now than they were before the strikes. Which to me tracks for Trump selling off America.
Also can we stop pretending that Trump is actually making these decisions and isn't a sock-puppet letting his administration run things? Did we not see the article where JD Vance was running the show in the Situation Room? Do we not yet understand that this administration is being run by the surrounding psychopaths?