‘Trump has surrendered to Iran’: Some prominent GOP hawks fear Trump just caved
1d 21h ago by lemmy.world/u/MicroWave in politics from www.cnn.com
When Donald Trump launched the Iran war in February, he risked alienating the non-interventionist base he had spent a decade cultivating.
As he now tries to extract himself from the highly unpopular war, it looks increasingly like he might inflame the other side of his base — the foreign policy hawks with whom he suddenly found himself in-league.
While there are few hard details of what’s actually in the memorandum of understanding, or MOU, with Iran, those hawks are openly worrying that Trump gave away too much in the name of trying to end the war. They’ve made no secret that they fear Trump signing on to a nuclear agreement like the one struck by the Obama administration in 2015, which they (and Trump himself) derided as too weak for more than a decade.
He 100% caved, and it's 100% the best decision he's ever made.
Word. I am very much not a fan of Iran but the attack was unprovoked and killed a fuckton of kids. We deserve every "bad" term in that deal, and then some.
Well, it's a fire he started so, uh, well, I guess?
This is real nine-dimensional chess type of stuff. The Shart of the Deal.
I'm not really complimenting him, the bar is just somewhere in earth's mantle at this point.
Yeah, I feel like there should be some kind of consequence for his actions. Like for him, personally, though I know it'll never happen.
Nobody knows the future. I can't say I'm optimistic, but occasionally justice is done.
People need to keep in mind that Johnson, Nixon, Bush, and Obama all chose escalation in the face of loose/loose situation. A ground war in Iran would have been a catastrophe and TACO is a huge W for the thousands and thousands of people who don't have to die now.
Jackass doesn’t get to start a fire and then get credit for NOT throwing kerosene on it.
He threw kerosene until it ran out.
Trump: Hey guys, I want to make an announcement about this treaty on my birthday. What do I need to do to make that happen...
Irgc: $300 billion dollars
Trump: It's not my money, sure.
Oh no, ::snicker:: I hope they don’t turn on each other
He had to cave. Deal had to be done so he could announce it at blood match on whitehouse lawn. I dont expect he nor israel will honour the ‘agenda’ so no harm done…
They’ll load up on cheap puts and tank the market by Friday.
hawks are openly worrying that Trump gave away too much in the name of trying to end the war
If these "prominent GOP hawks" haven't seen the writing on the wall by now, I don't even know what to say. Sounds more like pigeon than hawk, with no offense intended to pigeons.
I am fairly familiar with pigeons. They will stand in their own shit even after their feet fall off. So honestly I cannot see how they could get offended.
That's a good point. I should have picked a weaker bird, but I know very little about birds.
He's going to have to surrender one way or another.
Just remember that DonOLD is not only a criminal, but also a surrender monkey now. :)
How could it be described as anything other than caving? According to the leaked preliminary details, all he did was just secured Obama's deal, but worse since at least Obama carved out provisions to ensure that inspections were being done to verify that Iran was not building a nuclear program. What we are getting is a pinky promise, leaving the door open to future bombings when the schizo USA decides to play world police again.
I'm also not convinced Charlie Brown has finally kicked the football here. Deal isn't final until the ink is dry, and Pakistan will likely call out Israel for continuing to bomb Lebanon in violation of the ceasefire agreement.
There's also the small matter of the $300 bn protection money the Gulfies will be paying.
Well... This may explain it: https://lemmy.world/post/48221943
This was on the better end of outcomes after a certain point (as long as Israel can stop running interference)...
Trump wasn't going to get to where the Obama deal was, so I knew he'd have to give concessions but claiming whatever he does as a win. Even if Iran were to annex part of Florida as part of the deal, he would say it's a win. Lying is easy as breathing for Trump, but the hardest thing is ever admitting wrongdoing.
Cheeseberder-eating surrender monkey.
*hamburder
Edit: and yes I know the Simpsons quote you're referencing.
He sure did, can't figure out why so many people are afraid of him. Only thing that makes sense is he's a puppet that can't quite be controlled and goes off on his own sometimes, so the GOP just uses him to take the blame. Especially since he sleeps through most of the meetings anyway
TACO
Lindsey must have the worst case of blue balls right now.
We lost ground, they gained ground, and we're paying big for it. Sounds like a loss to me.
Honestly, might be a decent deal since the hawks on all sides are pissed. (All because Israel isnt acting like an ally, but now like am opportunistic 3rd party
It’s the same deal Obama had but worse.
Its just worse than Obama's deal. They are not comparable.
Obama actually had a finished deal for starters, and was in a far better position than Trump started this mess in, let alone where the US is now.
This is also just the first of a great many steps to an agreement. And given that the reconstruction fund is reliant on countries that have religious conflict with Iran's existence, that part is already dead.
And given that the reconstruction fund is reliant on countries that have religious conflict with Iran’s existence, that part is already dead.
The Gulf despots are obscenely rich and will happily pay protection money to Iran to keep their cities from being blown up. They've cut deals with Iran before. The Saudis and Qataris belong to a virulently anti-Shi'a Sunni sect (Wahhabism, though they don't like it to be called that), but the Qataris are far less rabid than the Saudis, and even in Saudi Arabia, MBS has been clamping down hard on Wahhabi imams because they were a competing power center that the previous Saudi royals had lost control over. I'm convinced MBS's vision for Saudi Arabia is for it to become a more secular totalitarian state, similar to Iraq under Saddam.
The 300 billion isn't coming, at least the US portion. The wording of the agreement makes it pretty clear that the US could wiggle out of it. This is just a way to get the strait open and the bombing stopped in Iran and maybe at least some of Lebanon, which is what both sides most care about, while letting Trump believe whatever he likes and probably take pleasure in stiffing Iran over the reconstruction funds.
The wording of the agreement makes it pretty clear that the US could wiggle out of it.
No treaty signed by Trump is to be trusted, he's repeatedly shown himself to be consistent only in his perfidiousness and mendacity.
Fair enough