Iranians say addressing Trump’s 'mental illness' head on helped secure deal: journalist
1d 19h ago by lemmy.world/u/LuminousLuddite in politics from www.rawstory.com
Investigative reporter Jeremy Scahill shared a startling revelation last week that Iranian negotiators had recruited psychologists to help navigate what they believed was Trump’s “impaired mental state.” And on Monday, Scahill provided an update on Iran’s unique approach to the negotiations, which he said Tehran partially credited for Sunday’s success.
“Senior Iranian psychologists began working with the negotiating team to try to cater the messages that the Iranians were sending via mediators back to Donald Trump to try to take into account what they say as his specific mental illness and mental deficiencies,” Scahill said in an interview with Democracy Now published on Monday.
“Almost quite clinically, they said they began to see this process yielding results as they worked with psychologists to send these communications to Donald Trump, and they credit that, in part, with getting to this point where Trump finally accepted some version of his manufactured and almost entirely false victory narrative.”
They took advantage of a mentally disabled octogenarian?! /s
They escaped an abusive relationship
No, no, America. They escaped a nasty fence dispute with a deranged neighbor.
You're the one still stuck in the abusive relationship, unfortunately.
Lots of love from the north. Good luck.
And good luck to you Canadians, your government wants to implement ID age verification online.
Authoritarianism will be the bane of our generation!
Canada’s still the one stuck with Americans to your south. Stay frosty.
Huh? The statement was that they escaped, not that they're stuck in it.
They should have kept going. Like, get his banking info or something. Him getting scammed would just be chef’s kiss.
They are getting 300 billions out of this. Not from his own account, but still.
From our accounts
How hard do you think it would be to get him to convert?
As they should have. All's fair in love and war. No '/s' needed.
3-Dementia Chess
I'm stealing this
I don't doubt this for even a second.
It's literally the only way this could have ended.
And it illustrates the advantages of dealing with a delusional narcissist - once you set aside your tendency toward truth about reality and instead just tell them whatever ridiculous fantasy they want to hear, they'll go along with anything you say.
Yup, though if Trump finds out, like from hearing this story, it might cause him to reverse course again.
I think his handlers and aides will keep it from him from now on
Except the aides that want more war.
I'm vaguely impressed that he didnt find some dumb way to get 10,000 of our soldiers killed.
yet
Iran, if you're reading this, can we uhh, hire your psychologists? Asking on behalf of most Americans.
You don't need them. Manipulating a narcissist is incredibly easy, like take candy from a baby easy.
The great thing is that they can publish this and it won't change a thing.
"We are giving you the Iranian world peace prize and the golden key the the straight of Hormuz"....thx for the billions
addressingexploiting
he deserves it.
we pay the price.
just another day in america
Exploiting? America is not the victim here.
There are many victims.
Let me clarify, America is in no way being exploited by Iran, what the fuck.
America is being exploited by Trump is what is implied, not by Iran.
Thats not what the comment says.
"Iranians say addressing Trump’s 'mental illness' head on helped secure deal: journalist"
addressingexploiting
The comment is implying Trump is being exploited and America is paying the price for Iran's exploitation of Trump.
Both can be true. Iran took advantage of Trump's mental illness to get what they wanted. They deserved it, but it's a costly deal for the American people. I and everyone with a brain blame Trump.
Honestly this is a raw deal for the world in general. Oil will now forever be slightly more expensive due to the tolls. Iran will come out of this stronger and that's bad for the world too.
We watched the two school yard bullies go at it and the one that started it lost. Which is fun to watch, but honestly nothing is materially better for anyone. We still have a fledgling fascist theocracy and an autocratic theocracy.
The fledgling theocracy will probably thrash and cause more issues globally and the existing theocracy will use it's wealth to expand its local power.
The fledgling theocracy will probably thrash and cause more issues globally
Issues Iran has caused: defeating ISIS, helping Lebanon defend itself from America's attack dog Israel, helping Yemen defend itself from America's other vassal, Saudi Arabia.
You're still uncritically accepting same "both sides" bullshit the US uses to prevent opposition to imperialism. A place not having your ideal government doesn't mean its good when the US keeps it weak by starving its people, finding some fascists to arm, and/or bombing them.
Iran being able to stand up to the US is fundamentally a good thing. Maybe we'll even see social progress now that they're not facing an existential threat.
News flash geopolitics isn't a fucking sports match. Sometimes both sides are evil and the average person always loses.
You can hate the US and a literal theocracy that executes women for being raped.
Why would you expect them to have any social progress? They constantly prop up Islamic extremists is surrounding states. They want their neighbors to be theocracies too. They want their neighbors to allow honor killings, to restrict the movements and agency of women, and to punish anyone that doesn't follow their holy laws. It's hilarious how you can clearly see the USA's geopolitical goals and machinations and ignore Iran's. Basically the only thing they have right is not supporting Israel.
What happened in Iran will not stop the USA's meddling in foreign countries. Maybe things will change during midterms or next presidential election, but I won't hold my breath.
All this has done has strengthened a theocracy to spread its oppression. There's absolutely no reason for a better funded Iran to step back from their decades long goals. The opposite actually.
The average person in either country lost. I'm sorry real life can't be as simple as you want it.
They constantly prop up Islamic extremists is surrounding states
They prop up the people who are opposed to their enemies. Same reason the US props up extremists. Iran's actions are easily modeled pragmatic responses to geopolitical reality, and quite poorly as religiously driven, otherwise they wouldn't sometimes fund Sunni groups who they fundamentally disagree with.
You know Marx would have a term for those that go out of their way to support a theocracy over and Imperialist nation.
Class traitor
We could argue the pros and cons of each nation, but why? All we are arguing about is two large nations trying to impress their will upon smaller nations. Neither is good for the people of the smaller nations.
Countless Yemenis, Palestinians, Lebanese people are defending themselves from literal genocide with Iranian weapons. Don't bothsides this shit.
Class traitor
Thats not what that means lmao
Cool story class traitor
Go ahead an pick your preferred oppressor. Capital or religion your choice. I'll chose the people
You chose capital by opposing every resistance to it. There's no third option when Israel is genociding Palestine and Hamas leads the unified front against them.
The comment says there are many victims, referencing the fact that it's not just Iranians who have suffered because of Trump's senility and evil. You're choosing to read it differently than it was intended.
No. But Americans are victims of the Trump regime.
Trump caused this; while it could be seen as justified for Iran to exploit the situation, the American People, the majority of whom did not want to be in this position, are the ones mostly paying the price.
Iran getting reparations for hundreds of school children America murdered and its assets unfrozen is not Iran exploiting anybody, if I spend half a century repeatedly stabbing you, and then pull the knife out 1 inch, that's not you stabbing me, thats a slight decrease in how much I am currently stabbing you.
It is if you acknowledge who the perpetrator is, which isn't Iran. America is one of many of Trump's victims.
...course, Trump himself was the result of America shooting itself in the foot in the first place. Then instead of learning its lesson, shooting itself in the other foot one presidency later. So... I hate to victim blame, but we kinda stuck our dick in the hornet's nest. This particular victimhood was glaringly foreseeable and easily avoidable. We're getting what we asked for.
Apologies to the rest of the world for being the meth house of the global neighborhood.
Just because we can see it coming doesnt make it stoppable. I can see a train coming but I'm not going to stop it.
This seems to be the natural progression of things given the systems and stories we decide to live by.
Oh, individually? We're tied to the tracks. I was talking collectively, in which case we very much fucked up.
Not all Americans
Let me clarify, America and Americans are in no way being exploited by Iran because we are unfreezing Iranian assets and paying reparations for hundreds of children we murdered, what the fuck.
Yeah, that exploitation definitely gets subrogated to the MAGAs, not Iran.
Exploiting his mental illness to their advantage makes no statement of if they're the victim of the war. For example, you may exploit the invader's military weakness in a war. To exploit means you take advantage of something, which they did.
Better he be exploited than Palestinian babies keep exploting. Now all there's remaining is that Bibi gets the memo and slinks off.
A lot of people know how to play Trump, give him some meaningless reward, a golden plane whatever. "best president the world has ever seen"
Tell him last time he said this even though he didn't etc. like old people scammers.
Experts are not even needed.
The world needs to crowdfund a gold plated private jet and a "This person did not appear in the Epstein files" award to Trump, then tell him to send the military after the oligarchs and the theocratic fascists.
It could all be much simpler than we think. Half a million people on earth spend 1000 bucks each and it's all over.
A few million to say JD Vance is "crooked" on TV A few million to deport Elon or Peter Thiel
Etc.
I don't think this is unique, it's just rare for someone to openly say it.
Especially since openly saying it runs the rather high risk of undermining the whole approach. If Trump hears this, he'll get all pissy and tank things for the sake of his fragile ego.
You can see it in most every person in Trump's circle. They all play the game of manipulating the president, all you need to do is risk your dignity and you can pretty much get him to do whatever. If they dare to serve their own ego, they fail.
Maybe the con is longer than just this deal. Or maybe this is coming from someone other than Iran that wants the war to heat up rather than end (or even just to keep the strait closed).
Or maybe someone's head got too big and they wanted to brag about manipulating Trump when it wasn't yet strategically or tactically sound to do so.
Colud be someone bragging to someone not expecting it to work all the way out to the media.
Or a narrative that is probably fairly described, but editorialized. E.g. if they did state the fact they had the help of psychologists in negotiating, that statement by itself doesn't necessarily insult a man that thinks only very smart people pass cognitive tests.
So the reporting actually extrapolates into the obvious, but unstated implications of why pyschologists would be useful in this situation.
all you need to do is risk your dignity
How quaint of you to think those psychos have a shred of dignity
Well that's what they're saying.. they don't have any dignity, that's why they can get him to do all this stuff.
Yep, posessing a shred of dignity really gets in the way of manipulating Trump.
He's already tanked it several times thus far. That's why he keeps saying they're leaking false conditions. Like no grampa, you just weren't told about those.
I got news for you if you think Iran is the first and only country to negotiate with Trump in this manner…
Russia, North Korea, India, basically tell trump he's a strong and wise leader and everyone respects him, and he'll agree to whatever you say.
Yeah, not really something you need to hire a psychologist for. He’s a pudding brained octogenarian who can be manipulated by giving him a simple compliment. Tell him his dick is the biggest in the world and he’ll probably hand over half our fucking Navy.
Narcissism? Dementia? Other?
Yes
Yes to all three, unironically
Did they give him the FIFA Bigly Deal Maker Prize?
He's the UFC (Ultimate Failure Champion).
This deal isn't worth the paper it hasn't been printed on.....
But Iranians aren't stupid, they know this too, and they won't be caught with their pants down. They were ready 4 months ago, and they'll be ready next time
It's almost like they've been preparing for this for nearly 60 years or something. People are clever, and every time a major power decides to go to war they show the whole world what they're capable of, which isn't a good thing for someone like Trump. Man's all bluff and no follow-through.
They've been preparing ever since Bolton was trying to force this war back in 2018/2019.
Yet now they've let it get in the press that they see him as mentally ill. Trump's ego will not like that despite how true it is.
What? You believe that fake news? This is negative news about Trump, obviously planted by dumocrats to undermine THE GREATEST DEAL OF ALL TIME.
His nurses will keep it from him. If he doesn't see a fake version of the internet yet, he will be after this
Good luck with Netanyahu
Evidently Israel asked for a copy of the deal and Washington told them "no". I was cracking up.
I think hiring psychologists pales in comparison to the other strategy of treating him like a 5 year old.
It sounds like the hired psychologists advised them on the specifics of how best to deal with a five year old.
Exactly. They may not have directly said “child” psychologists, but we can put 2 and 2 together
I think he'd believe it if we told him his golden bunker moon base was completed and ready for him. Then we could just send him out there somewhere.
He's clearly losing it, but this is also clearly propaganda from a country engaged in a war. Anyone who takes this seriously is a fool. Trump is a vacant turnip, but we can asses that for ourselves. Don't be stupid. Of course they will say anything they can to smear him. They don't need to. He's already covered in shit.
Let's hope his derangement leads to a direct attack on israel when they refuse to honor whatever peace deal we make to pretend we weren't pantsed by Iran.
Using psychology to understand how to come to terms with a narcissistic shit baby doesn't seem that implausible to me.
Just because it's propaganda doesn't mean it's untrue. The story tracks and changes nothing I believe about the US's tyrannical tangerine toddler.
The next question: so why are they saying this? It seems to me that Iran values weakening the US more than they do a peace deal, even a lopsided $300B one. So Trump has a temper tantrum and goes back to bombing Iran. Through some twisted logic, that's good for Iran.
Unironically, the people leaking this want the war. Could be Iranian hardliners, could be made up whole cloth. Hell, could be mossad agents that have infiltrated the Iranian government, hoping to reignite the war for Israel. I have no doubt that this was written to reignite the war; we'll just have to see what comes out of it.
Is there any chance that the administration isn't making bets on whether Iran waits for the check to clear before invalidating the 'deal'?
I agree. Yes it may well be true but we really can't trust what they say
He’s a textbook malignant narcissist so that’s pretty easy to manipulate
Are they refering to praying on his narcissism or his dementia??
Probably both.a combination of "don't you remember when we agreed to this?" And "only a big strong president with large hands could make this deal, what a big boy you are."
his post celebrating an increased trade deficit was [chef's kiss].
So all we got to say is: ("Mr. Trump your the bestist big great leader of da world! Unmatched! And you know what the best leaders in the world do right?... That's right they take this little pill. It'll make your dick the biggest, your skin the fairest, and it'll give you the hutzpah to take down your enimes with you big fists!" Trump proceeds in taking the cyanide pill and the hell will be over.) And here I thought we needed to be aggressive to kill the facisits. Nah aprently we just got to treat him like a kid.
trump is definitely demented but this is definitely a propaganda bait.
They probably are using actual psychologists, I know I would
Can't say how much they helped, but probably a little
I mean of course they do - everyone does. That's a given. The intelligence apparatus of every country is full of psychologists.
If they are so sophisticated,why donthey do so much evil stuff the rest of the time?
Agreed, the American regime is horrid.
Not all bad people are stupid.
Bruce doesn't know he has dementia either, but he's not making movies anymore unfortunately:
Last movie he was in was meh. He was there as the magic famous person.
Not sure what point you're making here
Me either, I forgot 😔.
I hope Israel doesn't have to intervene in my future dementia development.
Actually, I'm pretty sure he does know he has dementia. Or at least did at the early stages. After he got all those Razzie nominations, it came out that he had deliberately phoned it in on a ton of garbage movies at the end because he was bankrolling his family's future, preparing for the fact that he wouldn't be working for much longer.
The Razzies rescinded his nominations and apologized when they found out.
The razzies would have had an entire category for Bruce Willis movies, it would have been in very bad taste.
oh wow TIL, good on The Razzies for being human here.
Fake News, like Iranians taking about mental illness LOL Fucking Psychos
Also lots of people are involved in such deals and most likely we told them how to think, what to think and when, what you think we pay CIA for... 🤡🫵🫡🤣🇺🇸
Persians are the people who invented chess. Their civilization is thousands of years old. You are an idiot who lives in their mom's basement. You are whats wrong with the USA.
Cope