These are getting weird
1d 10h ago by piefed.world/u/beep in comics@lemmy.ml from lemmy.ml
cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/webcomics/p/1198637/these-are-getting-weird
I warned my brother-in-law and sister-in-law about that fuckstick more than a decade ago. They laughed at me. Didn't phase them at all. When the Model Y released, they bought one. When Elmo revealed his full Nazi self (salute and all), they bought one of those bumper stickers. Later, they replace said Model Y with a new one and pull the bumper sticker off the old one and somehow reattach the used bumper sticker to the new one (you can tell it's the same sticker because it's all jacked up from being removed from the old car). Oh, and they were early adopters of Starlink. Sucking Nazi cock must be addictive because they can't seem to stop themselves.
There was once a point where Tesla was the only viable long range EV. Nowadays there is no excuse - the other EVs on the market are cheaper and better.
More than a decade ago I still found Musk quite innovative and inspiring. Politically I think he still supported democrats back then, at least he wasn't openly fachist. Can absolutely see how people bought a Tesla without anticipating all what happened 5 years back, not to speak of 10++.
they want to support the nazi without the social fallout.
Still downvoting beep every time.
I'm reporting every time.
Removing attribution is just bad (and should break rules), but smurf accounts usually break instance rules.
What did they do?
They have a policy of fully removing attribution of all the comics he posts, even going so far as to feed them to LLMs to try and remove hard to crop out artist marks
How many of moakley's comics did OP repost like this?
No idea, there's no attribution in any of them so you have to go through all of em
As far as I know, none. But it does make me hesitant to post any new ones to Lemmy.
In all fairness, he seems to have stopped removing the attributions. Still downvoting him every time though.
Seems like you can soon start posting them again
Why's that?
How is his account not banned?
He stopped cropping out the artists and, as far as I know, doesn't ruin them through AI first anymore. At least not in direct posts. Still downvoting every time though.
Whose art did you steal this time?
fym steal? all digital information should be free. it hurts nobody to copy it.
If you post someone's art and remove their watermark, you are stealing
I couldn't give two shits about sharing other's work, just properly attribute it or fuck off.
it's not stealing, since you take nothing away from the artist.
Acknowledgement of your peers and recognition for what you put out into the world is not nothing. Stop being an edgelord.
It's not stealing but it's an asshole thing to do with no justification and should still be condemned
My opinion is, that you should be able to do whatever you want to a digital file. I don't think it's wrong to scold the poster for not including the artists name though
Yeah nobody's arguing sharing digital files, hell I'm an avid pirate myself, but in this case it isn't just "downloading The Godfather," it's downloading it, editing out the credits for literally no reason, and re-uploading it under my account on another site.
Honestly with something like The Godfather it wouldn't really matter, but with a much lesser known pet project B movie, even if the creators support piracy they'd like you to at least maybe see their name. This comic would be the latter, while you could safely trim the name off of like, Charles Shultz's Peanuts, and assume people probably can figure it out.
Your opinion is wrong
There's income related to making and sharing digital media. It's not as simple as a simple monetary transaction, but there's income in social media presence and exposure which can be converted into monetary income. In any case, by removing the signature, the person is intentionally cutting that income stream from the artist.
It's more difficult to argue that it's stealing, since even though the person removing attribution from an artist is taking something from the artist, they're not necessarily gaining it for themselves.
You are stealing the credit they should get when people who aren't familiar with the work see it. If you can't handle that, you're free to kindly fuck off or get absolutely dog piled for being wrong. As I stated before, I don't care about content sharing as long as people are properly credited.
Beep is a well known content thief who actively modifies works to remove the author attribution. That is effectively digital theft, and I don't give a fuck what you think about the matter.
so you define stealing as not giving somebody something they deserve, based on your personal undefined moral standards?
The modified file does not significantly change the work, and does remove attribution. You should spend some time reading up on copyright, intellectual property, and creative commons, because you have obviously not done so if you think this is arbitrary.
Honestly, my friend, I'm pretty sure that's all stealing ever is, probably for you as well
so is me not giving you head pats because you were a good boy stealing? :3
It's removing attribution of the make of the maker
in what way is this stealing?
Would you scrub picassos sign off one of his artworks? This is the same
You're not answering my question. Scrubbing off picassos signature would be different, because it would destroy the physical artwork. I wouldn't have a problem with someone digitally removing his signature from a digital copy of the artwork and then distributing that online.
How is that not ruining the art but removing Picasso’s signature would be? I agree art should be free but that doesn’t mean we should make it easier to steal from artists that should be getting paid even if their art is distributed for free.
If you posted a Picasso piece and went thru the extra steps to remove his signature even digitally & then post it it’s kinda like a ripoff, you’re just unnecessarily removing the credit from the person who actually did the work.
I didn't say that removing picassos signature would not ruin the art. I said that physically destroying the artpiece is way different from copying a file and then modifying that copy. Copying digital art is not stealing. This mindset just enables stupid anti-piracy and copyright laws that will always harm the honest consumer
Wtf are you saying?
That has nothing to do with copyright, if you remove the signature of a famous Picasso art everyone will still know that is a Picasso art but from a random on the internet you're just making things difficult for the artist to spread their work for NO FUCKING REASON. You're having more work to just fuck an artist to gain absolute nothing.
posting a comic without the signature is stupid. its not wrong though and the poster is not morally obligated to spread the artists name
Maybe people should be morally obligated to not do stupid things for no fucking reason.
imo, people should not be obligated to anything and i dont believe in morals. id like to conclude this discussion since i have nothing more to gain from it. thanks for sharing your opinion though
“ i dont believe in morals” prob the craziest and dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. lol. Off to gulag with you
Imagine standing for nothing and being proud of that fact.
I disagree, if the art is good enough for them to share, surely the artists name is as well. Seems pretty cut and dry, morally.
Defending it when you could just not is also stupid
Attribution is not DRM
Why would you allineate an artist from their work? Being recognised for what oneself makes is one of life's pleasures
i totally agree with you. and i think they should have included the artists name, just not for all the same reasons that you have. i think its stupid not to post the artists name, not cropping out the name would mean less work for the poster and it would make it easier for readers to find more comics of the same artist. i dont think what the poster did is wrong though, and i am against trying to justify having to include the artists name based on some weird morals and capitalistic ideas.
Crediting someone for their work is not capitalistic. Also, the poster is not only not crediting the creator, but they get to have their username on all their posts. Is this not a form of credit stealing?
Is there any info on the artist, or did it get stripped out of the comic by beep?
https://geniusbee.tumblr.com/post/818727662610694144/these-are-getting-weird
From this comment in the crosspost:
https://lemmy.world/comment/24285992
A bumper sticker is such a token attempt to absolve yourself from responsibilities and embarrassment
I still have sympathy for people who bought in years ago and thought they were doing something good. Not everyone is financially stable enough to get rid of a big investment like that. Buying an EV was different 10 years ago.
That said, anyone with a Cyberstuck or a newer model with the T E S L A spelled out on the back has zero excuse.
lol I couldn’t imagine having a $30k electric mistake sitting in my driveway, mocking me with Elon vibes. Yikes.
The first time I remember Elon really letting the mask slip was the Thai cave rescue in 2018. After his jury-rigged submarine failed, he publicly called one of the actual rescuers a pedophile simply for pointing out that the project looked more like a PR stunt than a rescue plan. Looking back, it's easy to see the warning signs, but at the time it's understandable why many people were still ambivalent about him.
I wonder how many of these people who believe that Tesla owners who bought their car long before Elon showed his true colors own a Ford. Do they know what kind of person Henry Ford was and the writings he published? How many own Volkswagens?
In my view, the Tesla and Elon hate are justified because of, well, everything that's come to light over the past few yars. But all this clamoring that people who still own a Tesla they bought 7+ years ago should have gotten rid of their car is just virtue signaling. If their convictions about this are so strong, then they ought to apply the same logic to any Ford bought after 1920, or any Volkswagen at all.
I bought this before Elon went crazy
Didn't know they made teslas in 1971
I'm a simple man; I see a comic without attribution, I downvote and report it.
Attribute the artist or I'm removing this and banning you within a few hours.
Just wait until Tesla officially starts selling these "as a meme".
WISH I HAD A VOLUME KNOB
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I saw one of these stickers for the first time yesterday out in the wild.
Idiot cowards
Was there ever a time Elon wasn't insane?
No, he's always been a lying, dipshit, con artist, weirdly obsessed with the letter X. A weird obsession with having kids. He sued the original creators of Tesla, so he could have the title of founder...
Only reason anybody knows he even exists is because Dad's money. Which ironically is the exact same thing for Trump...
yes. During his "occupy mars" arc, it was great that there was a rich person that was funding things like electric vehicles, batteries and most importantly , infrastructure, who was also talking about climate change as a serious issue and taking steps for a worst case scenario.
Then he started unraveling, around the time he started calling the rescue diving guy a pedo.
You are getting downvoted but it's true, 15 years ago Musk was a progressive icon well liked by people on the left. People act as if he was always like this, but he wasn't. There was a "mask off" moment before which the opinion on him was generally positive (as far as positions on billionaires go).
I dunno, I would argue anyone that hoards at least hundreds of millions of dollars is suffering from some type of mental health disorder.
IDK. Back then it seemed like he was cashing out his wealth to achieve that shit, which is expensive, so we didn't think too hard about it. Like if you owned half of pay pal, and wanted to spend billions on infrastructure, it made sense that you'd you know, wait and save before doing that.
I can't believe I typed that sentence out like that. fuck me.
He wasn't cashing out anything. It was all a ploy for investors. If you look at the valuation of Tesla it is massively higher than any other car company. The Mars stuff was just a push again more valuation for SpaceX. Despite the fact that other scientists including people at NASA saying that his plan was not going to work, everything he said was just a publicity stunt to push investors so he can make an imaginary number go up.
Also he was fired from PayPal for incompetence.
yes, thank you captain hindsight. It was nice to have someone building fucking infrastructure and making electric cars seem good.
thank you captain hindsight
The fuck did I do to you? I didn't piss in your cereal.
Tesla existed before him. He bought the existing company. And it wasn't hindsight; plenty of people saw right through his crap and terrible science from the start. But more people were hoisting him up on a platform, acting like he was a real Tony Stark. But we were just called haters... and apparently, still are.
Tesla existed before him. He bought the existing company.
No one fucking knew about it. They might have existed and made good products, but people in general are more concerned with trying to save an insurmountable amount for a mortgage instead of trying to shop around for an exclusively electric car. So if you were in the US and searching for an exclusively electric car with barely any charging infrastructure, you might have known about Tesla pre-Musk.
And it wasn’t hindsight; plenty of people saw right through his crap and terrible science from the start. But more people were hoisting him up on a platform, acting like he was a real Tony Stark.
Because people are sick of the world being a pile of shit and we want to believe in the future from the 1950s sci fi novels. We want electric cars and people on Mars, and he seemed to be the one guy that was "I'm rich as shit, and I'm going to get that shit done by dumping my wealth into it, instead of using that money to dump toxic waste into rivers or directly fund further abuses of capitalism".
And the he turned around and directly funded further abuses of capitalism and people are hating him now. Except the assholes, but they were fans of the rich people dumping toxic waste into rivers or directly funding further abuses of capitalism anyway.
My original question was rethorical. There were never any sane rich people.
Today's biggest fear: Don't Exclude Me!
Tbf if I lived in one of the areas where they were getting vandalized for a time, I'd probably use the "don't vandalize me bro" sticker too.
You should brick these vehicles. Let the owners know how effective the sticker is.