Most powerful man in the world started a war and then bent over
1d 5h ago by discuss.online/u/VetOfTheSeas in politicalmemes from discuss.online
I'll never understand until the day I die how any American can watch their tax dollars used to bomb the shit out of a country, and then their tax dollars used to rebuild that same country.....and see that as a win.
Oil down, markets up, keep believing the illusion and everything will surely be ok.....
Many people don't think. They feel.
When their in-group is going along with something, they go along with it, too. Feels good to them. It's a high.
That's it. That's the problem. It's a big part of why republicans vote against their real-life interests. They're more concerned with chasing the high of being part of the in-group. So, sure, Trump might lose a lot of money and influence and everything, but he's our tribe-mate!
It's stupid. Worse then children. Worse than dogs.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
--- LBJ
Now that I think of it, it makes perfect sense that they're always screaming "indoctrination" when left wing ideas like environmentalism or basic kindness are taught to children.... they don't think it's based on reality, just the opposing "feeling" side of their own version of reality. No facts, just feelings. And those feelings go against what their tribe says.
You aren't seeing the opinions of the average American. The average American has no idea what is going on until they ask their coworker why the gas prices are so high. The average American has a coworker that is happy to inform them of the mainstream media narrative, basically telling them that all they can do is "vote". Occasionally getting a MAGA perspective depending on where they live.
But, they won't get pushed into organizing and, quite frankly, they don't have the time or money to even start.
The average American then thinks "hmmm, that doesn't sound right but I don't have time or energy to investigate that".
They move on with their day so long as they can stay above water by leveraging credit card debt and whatever amount of gig work they can fit in. On the rare days they have off work they will recover by either scrolling videos or going out with friends that are just as unknowledgeable about the world as they are. Maybe some of them get a short explanation of the gas prices from a video they watched.
The average American needs their working class conditions improved to give them time to educate themselves. "Wow, they pay for child care in New York City? Thats what socialism is?". This is our one last hope at educating the masses. I don't think electing 100 Mamdani's will change our system from within. But, it is however, the best way to educate and show the population what political power that favors the working class can do.
Either that or, the entire countries material conditions need to decline so drastically that the population is forced into action because they literally can't afford bread to eat. And that will result in higher degrees of fascism as the capitalist state defends itself; and "century of humiliation" levels of conditions will result in America after our empire lashes out to the rest of the world.
The average American has no idea what is going on until they ask their coworker why the gas prices are so high
At which point the average American tilts their head in confusion, seemingly unaware that the US is at war, then complains that everything is political nowadays
Or they get a spoonful of MAGA propaganda, as you mentioned
Yeah it's the last thing unfortunately. It's already started on the margins of society (disabled, socioeconomically isolated). We just had a disabled person kill themselves in Canada in protest. It starts there and slowly works its way up the status ladder until it's serfs and lords again.
Not sure there is a solution, more like it's just a cycle built into a greed based system.
Propaganda, it works
It's been since happening since Nixon was pardoned.
"$300 billion dollars is less than $1000 per citizen. It's not an amount that would help anyone."
- out of touch "economists"
From the shit perspective of an economist that doesn't need $1,000 to catch up on bills.
Not to mention a family of 4, which would amount to $4000, which might be a 10% increase in income, not including the 30% that's already been taxed out of that $300b.
They dont count the backdoor costs of literally everything you buy in America going up 50% in price because of the war. And it wont go back down again when it ends. Same as always. Not their problem.
Yeah, I don't want $1000 coming out of my pocket for Trumps bullshit. I'd be fine with it going to people in need.
Don't forget the part where Trump backed out of the horrible deal Obama made with Iran that involved 1.6 billion dollars going to Iran.
Now it's 300 billion, extra taxes on fuel that benefit the Iranian regime, thousands of people murdered, and America's international standing even further eroded.
Art of the Deal!
Plus the purely immediate financial cost of the war itself which I've seen estimated at around 25 billion.
And I don't know how to estimate the human cost.
Human cost shouldn't be too tricky to guesstimate.
An average US person produces about $142k/year (85k in gdp, divided by 60 % of working age), killed with about 40 years of productive life left is about $5,6 million. Add to that the lowered productivity of the close relations due to grieving and change of circumstance, as well as societal loss of morale, and you're probably looking at a loss of production of just under $6 million/life. And fractions of that depending on disability for non dead casualties (e.g. PTSD or loss of limb might be 50% depending)
The Iranian equivalent is about $400k/life, or less as civilian casualties tend to be older than prime age soldiers.
Now calculating the US cost of loss of Iranian civilian lives would be more challenging (loss of standing, loss of morale, loss of legitimacy, and follow-on actions of instability and discontent).
I'm not sure you can really put a price on the loss of 175 school kids, plus all the other civilian deaths trumps bruised ego caused.
And that's not even counting the global losses incurred due to increased oil prices, reduced production, etc etc.
I mean, you evidently can, actuaries and the OBE do it all the time, and I even offered an example above.
Does it account for all of their existence - no, Is it useful to - only in a very narrow situation, is it possible - absolutely.
I'd argue the more horrible part is that some people do put a value to others' lives with even less thought than my example, which is why they're wont to bomb civilians for dubious gain.
It's easy to put a price, it's much harder to appreciate the value.
Shart of the deal.
It's hard to keep repeating that $300bn isn't a gift but a repayment for belligerent bombing and murder. The US won't give Iran the money for fun, but will pay to repair the damage and compensate for losses.
Until the instant Donald Trump thinks reneging on the agreement will benefit him.
Tomorrow - got it.
Which wouldn't need to be paid if the moron hadn't embarked on a pointless war. Is anyone here mad about only the money? Highly doubt it.
Don't forget, it's their money we've held.
Yes, and we spent probably even more than that in the first place to cause the damage we are now agreeing to pay for.
No matter how you look at it, the Trump administration blew hundreds of billions in taxpayer money of their own volition, to ultimately get Iran in a comparatively stronger position (note the agreement says the Straight will operate on Iran's terms, so... probably they get to levy a toll now). They don't agree to anything on any military draw down and only agreed to the same thing they agreed to with Obama...
All Trump had to do was to just do nothing after the deal under Obama and US objectives would have been closer to being met for free.
We'll make our GCC vassals do it since we have made it clear we won't actually fund the reconstruction fund.
War indemnities
What the fuck is mission tacomplished even?
TACO — trump always chickens out
I can't believe I couldn't figure that out... Thanks
Successfully failed?
They killed an old guy 15 years or so sooner
What happened yesterday. That’s what
A war nobody wanted
Correction, the people a narrow majority of USians elected to the highest offices did want that war. Some of them for decades. Because they’re in the pocket of Israel, that also wanted this war for decades.
Then those people soundly lost that war, and this is the fine you’re paying for that. Not just those people of course, but everyone.
If you wanna thank someone for it, punch the closest MAGA asshole and politely say ‘thank you’
How else was he going to distract from raping children?
“Most powerful man in the world”. Nationalistic egocentrism never fails to get a laugh out of me.
That sleepy pedophile is ostensibly in control of the most powerful military on the planet by an order of magnitude, so it's not inaccurate, just unfortunate.
Keep the jokes coming!
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most powerful military on the planet by an order of magnitude
Apparently, that reckoning only works if you include the nukes, which even Trump couldn't get anyone to use.
Considering this is a topic about said military losing a war this point seems rather moot.
The most powerful military! The one that couldn't keep a small ocean strait open for a small amount of time. Powerful!
by an order of magnitude
I think it's time to question: Which magnitude?
We know they spend a lot of billions on the army. Big numbers in comparison to any other country.
However Trump also just paid $14.2 million to have a pool guy throw buckets of paint into a pond. With no effect.
If this is the same way that money is spend elsewhere in the government, throughout different presidents sure, but if this is any kind of measurement of how the US makes investments, then I don't have to question why the military airplanes are falling down by themselves on a daily basis.
Also look at the January 6th. happening. Whether or not you're for or against what happened, you have to admit that it's pathetic that a bunch of hooligans could simply walk straight in from the street and literally shit on the table of the "most powerful" administration. It could as well have been someone with a dirty bomb.
So, if you believe Elmo’s number, we gave them two DOGEs worth of money (if you believe the internal audits we gave them 50 to 300 DOGEs)
We're probably gonna have to rescind that "most powerful man" title
You owe them a lot more than that without the war at all!
Most powerful ? Did you mean: Most arrogant
He bent over before as it wasn't America's war
FYI: it is not the US who pays 300 billion. It is the Gulf Coast Coalition.
Calling the GCC the Gulf Coast Coalition is just chef's kiss. JD is not a bright human being.
Lmao I actually didn’t know.
Vance said the “Gulf Coast Coalition” would be responsible for its funding, apparently referring to the Gulf Cooperation Council, which includes Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.
Why, what does it mean? I mean apart from the gulf states having to pay ransom money for soemthing that they didn't start
It's simply because the ruling billionaire class believes there are too many people in the world and they simply want most of us dead. They fully understand how little money it would cost. However, providing health care other things that people need are counter productive to their goals.
They will not give it to you. They will manipulate you by teasing it as a possibility.
No cdc, usaid, hhs, etc. Nothing that keeps you alive. They want you dead, they want pandemics to thin the herd. Wars are great, they make rich richer and kill poor people, really efficient.
Not yet. Have to perfect the robot worker first. They push too hard and people will push back, and they know this. Fortunately people are also good at infighting among themselves and losing focus, which is what they fuel a lot.
The elites miscalculated. Thiel, Musk and the others that hold Trump's leash thought that it would be a quick victory. But the Iranian people turned out to be stronger than they anticipated.
Almost like America has been through this song and dance before.
I can't quite put an Afghanistan finger on it though.... Or an Iraqi... Or a Vietnamese.... Or a...
No miscalculation. The military industrial complex loves war. It doesn't matter who wins so long as their products are used.
The Iranian people were getting gunned down in the streets by the Iranian government just a few months before Trump attacked.
It’s the Iranian government and military that managed to hold on. Trumps attack only made them stronger.
My understanding is that the 300 billion to Iran came from private funding and not taxpayers.
Makes you wonder who's pulling the strings now, doesn't it?
That private funding will be called "Totally Not Taxpayer Money Co."
If you have enough money to have anything you want, why not chose to be open about your evil. You will still win anyway and theres nothing you cant have. Go ahead and add an "lol" to the end of the company name or put "pedophile" in there someplace. It'll be more expensive but who cares, at a certain point of wealth.
Or name a completely invented government agency designed to gut social programs for Americans and increase wealth and remove any lawsuits for a certain trillionaire and name it after a fucking meme
Yah, and Mexico paid for the wall too, right?
Absolutely you can, when your leadership doesn't feel accountable to you in any way.
I know. Crazy, right?
Good news for the dems. They can run someone even more abysmal and still expect to win. They'll be putting forth Satan himself in the general election at this rate. And between Satan and trump, satan will probably win.
Spend a trillion bombing to destroy 300 billion worth of stuff, which you end up paying back anyways - the art of the deal.
2/3 of the country either voted in favor of this war or were too apathetic/stubborn to vote against it. That vote was held in 2024.
And to the ones that did go vote against it, they should be held to the same standard as the other 2/3's, because that's how society works!
A lot of Americans were too stupid to recognize trump was lying when he said no more wars.
Correct now give more money
Fracking wise-ass African-American kids these days 😤
This meme sums up everything there is to say about the U.S.: This war is an act of aggression against a sovereign state that is completely contrary to international law. It doesn’t matter at all how inhumane the ruling regime is (if that were the case, both the U.S. and Israel would be held accountable for their crimes).
It really is all too telling: The U.S. is deliberately bombing schools, where hundreds of children are being torn to pieces by their bombs, but all U.S. citizens care about is how much of their tax money is being spent.
This country is beyond redemption; it is the embodiment of evil. Your president represents your wreched country as well as anyone could: absolute selfishness, absolute inhumanity. That is the U.S.
Edit: Just look at the downvotes even here in there Fediverse. You'd think these would be the decent Americans...
Edit:
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state.
United Nations, Charter of the United Nations, Article 2(4), available at https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/full-text.
Pretty sure the meme is expressing that most US citizens would have preferred spending money on fixing our own problems instead of bombing innocents.
This meme expresses what reasonably educated U.S. citizens think. And it’s not even the irrational MAGA cult, which has no foothold in the Fediverse. These are U.S. citizens expressing their opinions on this platform. And their opinion is that the heinous war crimes committed by their governments don’t matter—only their own well-being does.
If these are supposed to be the critical-thinking U.S. citizens, it’s very easy for me to understand how it’s possible that a serious criminal and obvious pedophile can be their president.
And their opinion is that the heinous war crimes committed by their governments don’t matter—only their own well-being does.
Yeah, we never ever see any US citizens decrying their governments actions here. Never. Nope. No one speaks up at all, you're right.
Who says they are asserting they don't matter?
There are so many wrong things to talk about all at once. A throwaway meme pic is going to touch one point, not be a comprehensive dissertation on the entirety of the situation. There are tons of other memes addressing other facets.
The U.S. started this war, committed the most egregious war crimes in the process, and threw the entire world into turmoil by blocking one of the most important trade routes in violation of international law.
And then U.S. citizens still complain that the pedophile mafia boss they themselves elected is costing them money.
I find that despicable.
In a war where innocent children were killed, you complain about trade routes?
You are actually of course right to also complain about the trade routes as well as the atrocities, but by your logic, you should only be complaining about the worst thing and nothing else.
They’re complaining that they aren’t being taken care of in favor of starting wars.
You’re complaining even when US citizens express disgust at what their government is doing.
It’s clear you just hate the US, which is understandable, but attacking individual citizens in comment sections isn’t doing what you think it is.
Maybe you should leave this card to the people who, unfortunately, have to put up with your dull argument. As a European, it doesn't really affect me all too much, but it certainly affects millions of other people.
As if your constant "US and US citizens are all evil" card isn't dull af at this point either.
We get it. A meme expressing that US citizens would rather NOT be in this war or killing innocents probably isn't the place for it.
THEN FUCKING DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ???????!!!!!! Why do you think we are pissed off at you ? You Americans have the biggest mouth abouth freedom and virtue signaling. You have one 400M guns in your country yet all you guys do is go for a walk to protest and keyboard warrior behind your screens. When you collectively decide to "fight back" you do it legally when your government spends it time doing illegal things at home and abroad.
Even worse now a b-52 crashes which is big news for US outside the US and all Americans can do is downvote our celebrities. That is some nerve there.
Americans don't have enough to lose yet it seems and everyday you decide not to go to the capitol and mag dump the white circus and it's occupants the same way they do on poor people (I was going to say black but I saw a good number being white get mag dumped by your untrained police) makes the average American citizen a more valid target.
Stop complaining for god's sake arm yourselves you have the opportunity.
When you collectively decide to “fight back” you do it legally when your government spends it time doing illegal things at home and abroad.
Say that to Renee Price or Alex Pretti.
Say that to the "members of Antifa" that got arrested today.
Things are happening here and, again, a meme that is explicitly expressing disgust at this unfounded war isn't the place to yell about US citizens not saying shit.
I'm saying that you shouldn't be saying shit. I'm saying YOU SHOULD BE SHOOTING SHIT. Renee and Alex were not even shooting shit and got gunned down like animals. It's BEYOND time to arms yourselves with your 400M guns and gun the government down like animals.
Saying shit and doing shit aren't mutually exclusive.
I'm seeing a lot of saying not much of doing. Come on guys get on with.
Yeah yelling at individual people on internet forums will really seal the deal. Do you feel better after yelling at least?
You know who is absolutely thrilled about these arguments ? China and Tankies.
Listen you need to understand one thing our anger and frustration is 1000% justified. We cannot change your government only you can. I fully understand these arguments are counter productive. But at the end of the day if our government are ever to face eachother because of who is in charge in the US then I will not hesitate to shoot because at the end of the day it's you or me.
You have the cards and tools in your hands. We don't. I will consider the relationship fully ended with the US and will cut off contacts with American friends regardless of how they voted in the midterms If the pedophile in Charge doesn't face a wave of backlash in the ballot.
Do you have a fucking clue how monumentally stupid it sounds to threaten random strangers with cutting off contact with your American friends, in a forum full of people who hate and voted against trump, because you want us to violently attack our government? It goes without saying we would be slaughtered without even the slightest of ability to defend ourself against the world's largest and most armed military by an enormous margin. Not to mention that the troglodytes who have most of these guns you're so aroused by are rapid trump supporters.
Please do not reproduce and just to be safe, don't speak to anyone again. This level of stupid is destructive just by its existence. I am now dumber that I read your comments.
I just wanted to thank you for telling me what I think, I thought I thought differently but now I know.
all U.S. citizens care about is how much of their tax money is being spent.
This is an intentionally moronic string of shit you made up to further your hatred for a nation, you fucking bigot. Thanks for letting me know though. I aim to block all the toxics.
I think your completely inappropriate national pride has made you completely forget what the word “bigot” means.
I’m really sorry, but you’re a rogue state—which, by the way, is a term the U.S. itself invented.
Here’s my point: You’re still defending the actions of your obviously completely degenerate regime because you see yourself as a proud American. Newsflash: Everything you believe defines your country is a lie.
There is no country in the world that harms the progress of humanity as much as the U.S.
The reason is your inhuman ideology.
I noticed that too, completely defended the actions by implying that he didn't agree with your assessment of his mindset.
I hope you don't become lactose intolerant and the office votes to have pizza, but 60% of the people voted against pizza, but since the boss is paying he decides to count the accounting group as one vote so he can buy pizza, and then when your pizza arrives you get made fun of for saying you'd rather have a salad than bomb Iran.
It's literally what the meme says - no matter what imagined additions you think it contains, it's only complaint is spending money on reconstructing Iran. There is nothing there that in any way alludes to America being the one that destroyed Iran. It's so utterly America-centric that it even assumes it's American money being spent, not Iran's stolen money being returned.
All you fucks care about is seeing what you want to see. To someone who isn't a biased hater it goes without saying that we all hate the senseless slaughter. If you didn't already unconditionally hate us you might know that the meme actually is just pointing out that trump has additionally cost us financially which is the opposite of what he's said repeatedly. Turns out if you want to hate you can find reasons to though regardless. It's people like you that ruin this platform. Fuck that ignorant bullshit. I won't be seeing your replies though.
Are you talking about Putin or Xi?
Lot of Maga idiots on Lemmy today. Do you really think Trump is the world's most powerful man?