Sick of the Susan Collin/John Fetterman Democrats who vote against their own people
1d 3h ago by discuss.online/u/VetOfTheSeas in politicalmemes from discuss.online
Yeah this has definitely happened to me a few times
Lemmy has proven to me that tankies have more in common with right wingers than liberals.
Yeah that's the thing about authoritarians; they don't have a problem with the boot, they just want it to be on the other foot. No better. Different axis, but the political compass looks more like a triangle than a square to me.
Oh noooo authoritarians who use that power to build affordable housing and transportation infrastructure, break up monopolies and capitalist machinations which gouge people trying to pay for food and healthcare. No please noooooooo. Let's keep fighting this because it's no different from pedophile billionaires destroying the planet. /s
Uh-oh we've summoned them
Thanks for proving their point too.
It's us or MAGA. Time to make a choice.
Well that's the falsest dichotomy I've seen in awhile.
Who's both siding now?
Yeah, they're so much better for the working man. And they're doing so well at exporting their culture.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/byd-hungary-china-labour-watch-9.7154249
"Ah, finally free from the tyranny of capitalism!" – the tankie says, barely audible over the sounds of a random minority group being mulched in the background
Uhhuh. Capitalism is evil. Wait... Why's it evil again? Right; because of the suffering and harm it causes, and siphons the power from many into the hands of a few. And the authoritarian "left" is better because... Trains. Or something. But, come to thinks of it... You know, I heard Germany had a pretty decent rail system too. So perhaps that isn't the bar by which we should measure success as a society.
I didn't even say get rid of capitalism. I said "break up monopolies and capitalist machinations".
That's funny, I had the opposite experience. When Israel started doing it's genocide, all the liberals on here were defending it, while the tankies were on the right side of history right from the start.
When Israel started doing it's genocide, all the liberals on here were defending it
Where? Is there one example? I never saw one.
I saw a bunch of people hoping trump won over it though. Which made less than no sense.
When did that happen? The closest was people pointing out, correctly, that if you actually cared about Israel's actions it was obvious that Trump would be worse. That's not defending genocide, that's trying to prevent people from making stupid decisions for noble reasons.
When Russia started their genocide in Ukraine those same tankies cheered it though.
I'm sorry, the invasion of Ukraine is a terrible thing, and definitely illegal, but it is not a genocide. Not a single human rights organization or anything like the ICJ, UN, ICC is calling it a genocide.
Russia is currently not in the position to carry out a genocide, unlike Israel, so technically that can be correct. However, not everything is in the actions, something is in the intent as well (trying to commit a crime and failing can still be illegal and punishable), and Russia has made its heinous plans quite clear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Russia_Should_Do_with_Ukraine
However, not everything is in the actions
That is absolutely correct. Genocide, however, is not one of those things. A significant portion of the definition of genocide consists of actions. So when you say someone is committing a genocide, you're saying they're doing some specific stuff with some very specific intentions. One of the two is not enough. You need both.
That's true. Shooting someone but missing is murderous, but not a murder, and trying to commit a genocide is genocidal but not a genocide.
Youre right I don't think it's correct at all to call it a genocide. I think they're just hypersensitive to the minimizing language tankies use a lot, where a lot of historians said "the uyghur genocide" and tankies say "uhm technically there was no mention of genocide from this international rights body so that's an overreaction." The implication being that sure it's not good what's happening to them, but it's not THAT bad.
Tankies do a similar thing with Ukraine where they say "they're just taking back some of the land they rightfully control," or some other minimization.
No when you kidnap children, strip them of their citizenship and forcibly adopt them out that’s genocide.
Thank you for proving my point.
Ukraine is a genocide. ICJ is trying a case about that very fact.
The ICJ is hearing counterclaims that Ukraine is committing genocide. So by your standards, Ukraine is committing genocide too. That doesn't hold up to my standards, so I don't believe Ukraine is committing genocide (or Russia for that matter).
I only brought up the ICJ because you mentioned it but I don’t need anything besides my eyes to see the truth of the genocide that’s happening.
Ok I guess we have slightly different standards for calling things a genocide then. What did your eyes see that makes you call Russia's illegal invasion a genocide? What is your personal definition of genocide?
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
- Killing members of the group;
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
See the fifth part where the Russians stripped Ukrainian children of their nationality, forced Russia nationality on them and forcibly adopted them to Russians.
Funny, Reddit has proven to me liberals prefer MAGA over leftists.
I’d ask you for an example but we both know you wouldn’t be able to provide one.
A vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries wasn't a vote against Trump it was a vote against leftists and a dice roll against Trump.
Thanks for proving my point.
Thanks for proving mine.
You went back six years to try to prove your point.
The last time we had a legitimate primary was six years ago because liberals let Biden campaign long enough to prevent a legitimate primary in 2024. Because liberals prefer MAGA over leftists.
I hate to point out the obvious flaw in your argument but who was the leftist who was denied a chance in the 2024 primary?
Yeah it was totally that and not because Biden, as former VP for a popular President, got credibility across the political spectrum as a safe choice after four years of President TMZ and All Those Rapes.
You're almost there. What made Joe Biden the "safe choice"?
Because he likes vanilla ice cream. You really can't go wrong with vanilla.
And also because leftists are a useless political bloc.
Oh ho! Now you’ve done it! They’re totally double extra not gonna vote for your candidate now!
They weren’t anyway but now . . . You just pissed off the least powerful non-voters in the electorate! Liberal!
That would mean Joe Biden won the 2020 general election without them.
centrists get stuff done, right? Like that genocide they funded under Bidens term. Be proud!
They also did a bang up job holding trump accountable for his insurrection and destroying republicans with the Epsten files. Remember that? so much winning. So much gotten done.
And then you go claim leftists get nothing done. What a frickin joke.
When was the last leftist president in office?
Never.
Because like I said:
Reddit has proven to me liberals prefer MAGA over leftists.
FDR. Who also happens to be among the last decent presidents of either party. You centrist DNC pond scum sellouts are still pretending you inherited his legacy, when you really inherited Ronald Reagans. And you cant win elections even running against a criminal clown like trump that anyone even halfway decent should be able to beat without trying. As long as those AIPAC paychecks keep showing though, thats what really matters, right?
So eighty one years ago?
When was the last law passed by a leftist federally?
When was the last time our Democratic party centrist leaders sold us out or did something against the interest of the voters? A day or so.
Betrayal is even worse than getting no laws past.
Anyways when was the last law passed by a leftist federally?
I’ll keep asking until you answer.
well thats a pretty flimsy standard to throw up in the face of constant betrayal and selling out. But it certainly matches the usual centrists' "power for power sake, at any cost, and it doesnt matter how we use it" menatlity. Your approach to this is exactly how you find yourself supporting war crimes.
Good job! Your kids will be so proud.
Getting laws passed is pretty much a cornerstone of being a political party though.
And yet, Harris lost because she couldnt get voters off the couch. Because she stood for nothing the voters wanted. It didnt matter that she said she was a continuation of Biden and Biden 'had passed some laws'. He'd also lost all support by not caring about his voters and betrayaing their wishes. Voter backlash exists and loses elections, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
Its like you missed the entire election, or else learned nothing at all from the loss.
Also seems you never heard of the Whig party. They passed some laws, Why dont I see them on the ballot?
Ultimately Harris lost because enough democrats wouldn’t vote for a black women to give her those last couple percentage points she needed.
Biden had the most progressive policies since Carter and his laws passed were widely considered great. So good that the first thing Trump did was reverse them.
When was the last federal law passed that a leftist created? I see you dodged this question again.
I’m done with answering any more of yours until you have the respect for this conversation to answer this one question.
Mass internment fan?
Useless to whom? Trump won his first term in part due to online sowing of voting apathy in those likely to be left of center as we saw in the Cambridge Analytica scandal. The online left will also push Kremlin talking points. If you're MAGA or Putin, the online left is very useful.
I wonder what the overlap between them and green voters are.
A favorite of mine
You Leftists sure are a contentious people.
YOU SIR HAVE JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE
My favorite thing about the diagram is the layout. The liberals are on the right and the leftists are neither right or left.
Oh that's good
Susan Collins is a Republican
murowski of alaska is the same thing on the opposite side of the country. thier there to pretend "republicans are not all the same", they make deals behind doors with the rest of gop who will vote for an against any bills.
tomato/Tomato.
Susan Collins Democrat? The fuck?
I think he would have been more clear on his intention if he used "and" instead of "/" in separating the two
I'm still mad at Kathy hochul over the right to repair bs. What a spineless capitalist.
shes looking for a big payout after her term, giving datacenter approval, and suspiciously working with trump prior to the election.
When we're roasting israelis and a nazi chimes in.
Me, roasting a tankie, when a Republican chimes in
Roasting a tankie when a liberal chimes in 🤮
Roasting a tankie when a tankie chimes in 💀
Roasting a chime when an archeofuturist feudalises in (✌ﾟ∀ﾟ)👉
They're doing their job for the party leadership, and they are rewarded very well for this (but never as well as the leadership, of course).
There are always enough on hand to stop any legislation that may be bothersome; always eight or nine can be found.
Politicians are one of the few remaining ways to become wealthy in USA, if you're not born with a fortune it's much easier to become rich via politics than working a normal job.
Pedophiles don't get a seat at the table.
ITT: People admit to having a common cause with the far right in a time when the far right hold many governments and all mainstream social media. Yeah you sure owned those tankies and lumpen progressives lol
BANG
I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?
susan collin was never a dem to begin with. she is designed to be the "spoiler, much like murowski. thier the "not all of republicans vote with them, when they vote in the majority"
Ah another .world thread wherein the neolibs of .world try to paint anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan as a tankie.
Someone must have paid them well to pretend they were a Democratic.
Who has that kind of money?
Whatever it is they're paying Collins too much because she really shit the bed on this.
Antizionism vs antisemitism.
Making fun of Democrats is par for the course. Realizing that a small dick Republican is waiting to fuck you in bed - priceless.