Nice work Mexico!
19h 2m ago by discuss.online/u/VetOfTheSeas in upliftingnews from discuss.online
Better put their own wall up before the Americans start pouring in.
"I told you Mexico would pay for it!"
I was literally just thinking retiring to Mexico doesn't sound terrible in the future.
Climate change is not boding well for Mexico unfortunately. You can expect severe water shortages in the coming decades.
Yeah, that's true.
But in Mexico the remaining water is less likely to be hoarded by billionaires, so you might still have better access to water after all.
Can we make communities that are underground? Like fallout or silo
Humans don't do very well without exposure to sunlight.
You can manufacture fish-eye glass domes that sit on the surface and lead to mirror-walled tubes that parascopically carry the sunlight to the deeper into the catacombs and distribute it to each chamber.
The outlets could basically just be slightly convex glass discs to fill the whole space with light, with simple aperture adjustments to control the amount of light in the room.
Aren't you just describing fiber optic cables?
Similar concept, except using mirror-walled empty tubes instead of strands of clear fiber. It's not for transmitting data, just distributing natural light.
Fiber optics transmit data through the medium of light, not electricity. It is exactly the same thing. The inside of the fiber optic cable is reflective and works just like a tube of mirrors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber-optic_communication
That doesn't contradict anything I said. When did I mention electricity?
Fiberoptics are made of fiber. The ducts I described are empty inside.
I have seen at least plans, and I think it's actually been done, for using fiber optic cables connected to a skylight to transfer sunlight to rooms that otherwise wouldn't be able to have any.
Nothing about fiber optic cables are about data specifically. It's just a cable that transmits light in a very similar way a tunnel with mirrors would (but better). It happens to be very useful for data, but it's just sending light through it that's interpreted as data at the other end.
Right, because fiberoptic cables are made up of little tiny strands of clear fiber, so that each one can have an "on" and an "off" status, creating the potential for high-speed data transfer.
What I'm saying is that these ducts don't need that, because they don't need to send billions of 1s and 0s per second. Just plain, natural light, which can be achieved without the fiber.
I don't remember where, but i've seen architecture that moved natural sunlight throughout the whole complex. If anyone knows it, i would be thrilled to revisit that.
Edit: i remember it used mirrors to move the sunlight, if that helps.
Take your daily vitamin D pill!
if you want the lifestyle. areas with many expats have higher prices. lake chapala area is one. speak spanish
"Expats" code word for fortune seeking migrant
Hopefully they'll just use steel slats!
Impenetrable!
This has been happening for several decades. My grandmother used to take regular trips across the border from Corpus Cristi to get her meds at pennies on the dollar.
They already are. They work remote jobs in the US and call themselves Digital Nomads đ
not free; tax funded
Which is great! Taxes should be invested in citizenâs needs.
Free as in "free at the point of service".
Of course it is paid for somehow.
But as far a a someone going into a hospital to get a cast, medicine, birth... It's free
Thatâs true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut fundingâeven when data shows itâs an investment with human and monetary rewards.
Conservative America is driven so hard by the fear of somebody poorer than you getting something you're not.
America wants things to be free when itâs for themselves, but not to pay a dime to benefit anyone else
Conservative America is driven so hard by the fear of somebody
poorerdarker skinned than you getting something youâre not.
As far as everyone except oligarchs are concerned, it means everyone can access it without getting financially fucked over into debt. And that's excellent news.
incorrect slightly- while most boomer and right wing assholes know it means free at point of service and tax funded they act like it means âfree for welfare queens and illegalsâ because they think daddy capitalist is watching them lick boots.
Hey, are you saying we get free police
You get free police beatings. And if you're stopped they will empty the money out of your wallet as "civil asset forfeiture". So not exactly a cost but not exactly free.
I like to compare it to someone sitting in math class, the lesson is on square numbers and they go "a square is a shape though". Everyone who actually paid attention knows the relation between the concepts and doesn't need to compensate ignorance with smug pedantry.
Only in one place, donât paint everyone like the USA.
Yes I mean nothing is free if we try to be strict about it. The word would have no meaning. I think we all understand âsold at zero priceâ but there are always people in the crowd who want to pop up and say âitâs not free! someone pays!â Typically their next move is to start breaking down who pays and why itâs unfair. I have no patience for them.
I dont have patience for those people either, but in general a lot of people feel taxes are the state taking away money. Where i live this is true for large corpo's and rich folk ('the state should not waste money on things people can pay for by themselves' is how they tend to put it here), but also by people with low wages tend to complain about how the state robs them. Reminding them how things they use are funded by the taxes they pay (roads, hospitals, police, education) can help them; because here they tend to fall for the retoric of the parties serving the rich and they sometimes truly believe the country would be nicer if they paid less taxes (not understanding they would have much more trouble paying for things like education and healthcare). For that reason I much prefer 'tax-funded healthcare/public transport/education', as calling it free is like giving a weapon to the group of people and corporations trying to lower their tax burden (and getting out of their responsibilities as the heavy lifters of funding public services).
There are so many health services that can be delivered en masse at very little cost. I once lived in a â3rd worldâ country with state sponsored healthcare. They had an army of nurses in shop storefronts delivering vaccines and basic meds for common illnesses. Just walk in. Nothing fancy - one of them literally reused hypodermic needles after sterilizing them with a bunsen burner. But how fancy does it actually need to be?
I agree, as a Canadian even if not perfect I couldn't imagine having a pay system or even what the US calls healthcare. That's the point of taxation, we get roads that are drivable, healthcare that is affordable and stuff like food standards, clean drinking water, education. The billionaires are trying to say everyone else doesn't need such things so they can get a bigger nibble of the pie when they already have truckloads.
also money is fictional so i consider it "free" if it helps the people actually.
Luckily the US built a border wall so Mexico won't be overflooded with illegal immigrants trying to profit the free health care.
too late. migration started years ago. as long as the gringos bring money.
Careful what you wish for. I don't want them in my country, even if they bring money. They fuck everything up. I'm not anti immigrants and refugees, they are welcome, they should be treated better, like equals which sadly isn't always the case in my country. But Americans are a different story. There are some proper Americans, I have a few American friends that are proper, but in general I don't like to have Americans around.
Even their money can fuck everything up. Like raise property prices so locals can't buy property anymore. Same with groceries etc.
It's better to keep them isolated in their own mess. Otherwise they will leave the mess they made to create more mess where you live, then to go somewhere else after that. Irresponsible and selfish people will only bring misery onto others.
In the movie Team America they have a nice saying. "There are pussies, dicks and assholes". Right now Americans are the assholes. They need to get fucked "otherwise you will have all your pussies and dicks all covered in shit."
Right now Americans are the assholes.
Right now? Americans have always been the assholes. Ask the Natives.
I stand corrected, you are totally right.
Ask the Natives.
And all their slaves (including the current legal slaves who are incarcerated)
The Vietnamese, Kmer, Iraqis, Iranians, Cubans, pffff....
Wait. It's easier to list the ones that don't think they are assholes: Israel (bigger assholes), eeeehm.... Oh yeah, themselves as they are self-centered AF. End of the list.
Honestly, you're getting a bad bias from the kinds of Americans that currently are immigrating there. The important thing to understand is you don't want the Americans with money, you want the Americans without any money that are willing to work and help other people out. Lol. See, what you've got right now are all of the rich assholes that don't care about the culture or people of where they're moving to - they just want to live like kings in a cheap city that they can turn into an asshole bubble that prices all of the normal people out. Rich people are leeches. Ultimately, the world would be a better place with open borders everywhere, but no rich assholes. Think about why borders even exist. In what world does it matter? The only reason is ultimately just rich assholes not wanting to dilute their wealth. The best thing we can do at this point is to convince them to go to Mars and leave them there.
Honestly, youâre getting a bad bias from the kinds of Americans that currently are immigrating there.
No, he really isn't.
Happy cake day!
You can replace "muricans" with "rich immigrants".
For corrupt/conservative governments, rich immigrants are cool, and called investors.
Poor immigrants are terrorists.
How will this impact the medical tourism industry that Americans depend on for affordable healthcare?
You're not kidding. Some towns like Los Algodones built their entire economy around medical tourism.
I'm sure it will persist, as it primarily services Americans. And their money is still good.
If anything, we'll see the Mexican health care system expand in order to absorb all the domestic residents who can now afford the same care
Wel now it will be called Los Aldogones
I'm sure you need to be a Mexican citizen to qualify for the program, I imagine foreigners get a bill. But I'm an American that expects a crippling bill from medical care so I have a bias.
In some countries they don't even have the financial infrastructure to bill patients, so injured tourists get free health care. A big chunk of American medical bills is due to the cost of billing.
Which countries? Asking for a friend
The ones i know: Denmark, England, Sweden, Norway
But I would imagine that most other countries with unified tax paid healthcare would be the same.
In Denmark (and I would assume those other countries as well) it varies depending on the factors. If you are a foreigner but are living in Denmark, or if you are staying in Denmark for a job, then you can apply for the rights of free healthcare treatment, but if you are a tourist needing urgent care, and are not a citizen of the EU (or the Nordic countries), or under the age of 18, then you will be billed.
So there definitely is a financial infrastructure to bill in Denmark, even though its own citizens never see it. Without knowing it precisely I would also assume that the bill would be very reasonable compared to a bill for the same treatment in the US.
I never went to surgery or anything, but I've been to a couple of Drs in Mexico and it's basically just like paying the copay and just peacing out. Most of the time you can just ask the pharmacist and they prescribe whatever right there.
You're overestimating the American Healthcare system.
I have never overestimated the American healthcare system
In some countries they donât even have the financial infrastructure to bill patients,
That's a bit fat-fetched....
That's true, they fetch it from America.
We have free at point of service health care in Canada for those signed up to the plan. You don't have to be a citizen just a resident and wait your 2 month grace period. For tourists and non signed up folks you pay the costs out of pocket, but they are reasonable compared to USA. A coworker wasn't here long enough for the signup and dislocated his shoulder. Hospital visit, xray, sling, etc $400
It'll probably stay the same. This administration is very aware of these issues and I doubt they'll intervene. Private practice is already available to anyone who wants it, no questions asked.
Source: am Mexican living in Mexico
That's one of the things uasians don't understand. Universal health care doesn't mean there are no private hospitals or practices. It means you have a choice, but you are covered no matter what.
Who's the shithole country now, America? đ
Argentina
Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.
It's a step. Vs. medicines too expensive to buy, and doctors that you can't see for months who run you through the mill to get their numbers up. I can't say which is worse when the result is about the same. At least you have more of a chance now.
Kaiser was excellent when they only provided service to kiaser members. When the government stepped in, the whole system went to shit. They still have the same amount of doctors so the only thing that happened in now everyone gets shitty service and long wait times.
Sometimes the government getting involved isn't a good thing.
No country has enough medicine, doctors, or hospitals.
Mexico has around 25 Doctors per 100000 capita. That is lower than almost all European countries that averaged 40 Doctors per 100000 capita.
When it comes to nurses, the comparison is worse. 29/100000capita in Mexico and over 100/100000capita in Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium and the Netherlands. With no EU nation falling below 40/100000capita.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/doctors-per-capita-by-country
One probably needs to look at the demography as well. Half of Germany's healthcare workforce is probably busy explaining retirees not to drink beer to swallow up their pills at any given time
America does. They just suffer from capitalism.
No we just donât get medical care if thereâs any way to avoid it. If it was free weâd have a doctor shortage instantly.
We already have a doctor shortage in a lot of places in the US, even without single payer healthcare :/
Part of it is due to private equity destroying private practice and buying up healthcare providers
Why isn't it free?
You're being deliberately obtuse. You smarmily answered your own question in your previous drivel comment.
We pay out the ass and still have to schedule a surgery 4 months out or just argue with insurance denials for cancer treatment until we die first. Show up to an ER with something that won't immediately kill you and be prepared to wait for 5 hours so a doctor can see you for literally 5 minutes. Nursing homes will bill you $4,000 a month to share a room while you wait to dies, with staff going down to like 2 people for 60 people after 7pm.
The only ones there's enough doctors for are the wealthy. Everywhere else your screwed, and also get billed into permanent debt. It's like $15,000 just to have a baby. Heart attack will run you six figures .
Free with crazy wait times is still surely better than expensive with crazy wait times?
How is it a shallow gesture when people can now get the care, instead of just dying or suffering?
Well their original comment alluded to people not being able to get care because there aren't enough medicines, doctors, or hospitals.
I hope they answer you, because I know nothing about what's going on there, but I'm fairly certain that was their point.
Because healthcare has been free in Mexico for decades. This seems like the usual political posturing. Saying "healthcare is free" is an empty statement if people are turned away at the point of service because of a lack of medicine or service providers. Give them three months and then check again. Then you'll know if it was a shallow gesture or not.
But a cursory google search shows that it isn't currently free for everyone, and in particular tied to your employment status. This means that in your negotiations with your employer, your health is essentially a bargaining chip (and this is bad for you and your salary for obvious reasons). The new system abolishes this tie to employment. This is a huge step for workers and the unemployed alike. This is not a hollow gesture.
It is not part of your negotiations with your employer. You get health insurance through IMSS (social security) by law. It is not optional and the service is not tied to your salary. You can make millions, or minimum wage, your IMSS coverage would be the same.
We've had another coverage called "seguro popular", this has been free and not tied to employment since early 2000s. It was revamped and gutted by the previous president. The only requirement to get coverage was to not have coverage by IMSS. So, employed, you get IMSS. Unemployed, you got seguro popular.
So it is an empty gesture
And if you're unemployed?
It is linked to employment but equal and mandatory for all employees, so not quite a bargaining chip in the way it is in the usa
If you lose your job, you lose your coverage. That makes it a bargaining chip. The employer has one up on you in negotiations. When I negotiate my salary (my health insurance is not tied to my employment), I know that if I can't work it out with my (potential) employer, and I get sick, I'll be fine. Not so if my coverage was tied to employment. The pressure to accept an offer that's worse for me would be much higher.
Got it
Was it free for everyone? Or just select people?
Paying for some supply through progressive taxes is better than everyone paying a flat rate, even if that supply is scarce.
How are things generally?
Sounds like everywhere with actual free healthcare tbh. Here in Malaysia the healthcare has been free for decade, but doctor shortage, wad shortage is the common theme plaguing the sector, so the wait time for non-emergency treatment tend to be long. If you want quick service you can visit private healthcare.
This doesn't seems like a shallow gesture, this could actually pave the way for the future when the issue is under control.
But now you can say your healthcare system is as good as the one in the UK, which is nice. It's not like the US can say that.
This stands out even more because we're in an era when even countries with Universal Healthcare have been walking back on it (as well as Social Security, Unions and other earlier Leftwing conquests) by privatizing them piecemeal through things like forced outsourcing of some services and public-private initiatives.
What's important to note is that these placed aren't going back on it because it doesn't work. They are going back on it because of back room deals made with corporate insurance lobbyists and their bought politicians. Profit is always the driving force for privatization.
Exactly.
You can just look at the experience of creating the National Health Service in the UK (there's a bunch of documentaries floating around) to see how it's an overall positive for Society by a large margin, not just directly but also indirectly because for example when people can go see a doctor for free they are far more likely to end up being treated for sickness early on (which its cheaper and easier) or to get treatment for debilitating but not life threatening conditions which in turn even gets reflected in higher Economic outcomes because healthier people are more productive.
Universal Healthcare Systems only "don't work" for those who are fatcats getting a slice of that sweet sweet 13%+ of national GDP (about 18% in the US) that goes into Healthcare in the average country.
Yes it's what's happening here in Canada and it's sickening. But it looks like it's better to blame the left for no reason, so why vote for them? Better keep slowly dismantling everything we collectively built instead!
I first saw that shit when I lived in Britain a decade ago, already at the hands of he who Thatcher called her "Greatest Achievement" (Tony Blair, who pivoted the Labour Party hard to the Right and away from a party representing the working class) and later directly at the hands of the Tories (Conservative Party).
Now that I'm back in my native Portugal (which also has a National Health service), the current rightwing government here is trying to do the same thing, tough not quite yet at the same point as NHS sneaky privatization was in Britain over a decade ago.
By the way, Mark Carney, now PM of Canada, was placed by and served as head of the Bank Of England for the Tories back when I was there, during which he was a great friend of bankers and presided over an economic period when in real terms the income of the lower 90% by wealth of the population was falling at about 1% per year, whilst that of the top 10% was growing at around 23%.
So, yeah, it does not surprise me at all, in any way form or shape, that Carney is working to make the fatcats fatter - same as he did in Britain - not for the good of most Canadians.
If you'd told any American 40 years ago that Mexico's democracy in 2026 would make Americas look pathetic, they'd have called you crazy and then beaten you up. Not so much anymore.
They'd probably still beat you up. And then shoot you.
USA! USA!
WOOO! FREEDOM!! MURICA!!
Booooorn in the USM
They probably still willâŠ
Healthcare in Mexico has been free and public for decades. There are still paid private practices and having social security limits the public providers you can use but Article 77 Bis-1 of the General Health Law states that anyone without social security can be treated for free. That article was first published in 2002 and last modified in 2023. This is just the administration claiming that they enacted (excellent) old laws.
It was free for workers and a few administrations ago they implemented a free for all program that was mostly cancelled. They system was also divided by private workers and government workers with different quality of services , this tries to implement all services into one, hopefully it works but this administration has not been very good at the implementation phase of any project
"without social security can be treated"
I read that as without social media and had to back the truck up after a couple seconds lol
I think it's important to point out that this was for the formalized workers, not for all the actual workers. As all this decades past, less and less workers were recipients of social benefits, including healthcare. Work informality became an ally of cheap parallel healthcare systems as it became the new normal. This is not enacting dead laws only, the president is trying to fix the loophole between formalized workers and actual workers by truly universalizing healthcare to everyone, worker or not.
Ah, so that's why the US is getting more aggressive towards Mexico. Can't have universal healthcare so close to the border.
Americans are already going there for cheaper health care. My dentist recommended some expensive work, and when I told him it cost too much, HE suggested I go to Mexico, and get it done for a third the cost.
And Mexico makes that easy in a lot of border areas. You can throw rocks between dental offices and pharmacies in Palomas. Walk across the border and not even show ID, until you to come back.
On both sides, lol.
Congratulations Mexico! Itâs nice to read a positive article for once. Happy for everyone this allows a pathway to getting the healthcare treatment they deserve.
If you seriously donât think Mexico has healthcare you need to take a step back and check your biases.
one joke.
You're a dick
Fuck. I really should have taken Spanish seriously back in High School after all
It isn't too late to finish learning Spanish :)
Just don't go for Duolingo
You can always come to Mexico to learn. Just try to avoid highly gentrified areas and you'll be fine. We are always happy to assist foreign people.
I voted her for this kind of policies, but reality is not that simple. Public healthcare costs a lot of money, and current facilities and personnel are in the stone age. I wouldn't go to any public healthcare facility right now as my first choice. At least not where I live. Sustained investment and vigilance are key, and I hope that by the end of her mandate we will have something we could call a proper public healthcare system, not yet a decent one, but an existing one.
But what if they abuse it by being like...sick?
This is going to be terrible for the shareholders and the health insurance companies!
You joke, but people overusing the free Healthcare is a problem.
I have a few friends/family working on both social security and state hospitals (the free healthcare mentioned in the article). There are a lot of users who are not sick and still go religiously to get appointments or try to hoard medicine. It's not a huge issue in the big picture but they do end up taking the limited time and resources from people who actually need it at the time.
The staff at the hospital knows them but they get the same attention as everyone, in case it is actually real this time.
I don't see how that's an argument for not doing this.
It's not, at all. Like I said, not really an issue. It's mostly that your joke reminded me of the situation than anything else
So, it is that easy. Crazy.
Always was
Can we have health care, if Mexico pays for it?
Yay! Also Mexico got free healthcare before the U.S.A. and North Korea may get a female leader before the U.S.A. gets a female president. Truly 'murica
Must be fuckinâ nice đ«
ÂĄViva MĂ©xico, cabrones!
Viva Mexico!
Literally have had this since the 1940s though
Mexico's was fragmented aoarenrly so these steps are harmonizing it all.
.âThe objective is that any citizen can attend any health institution and be guaranteed full and free coverage.â That line captures the structural change at the center of the 2027 planânot just expanding coverage, but eliminating the fragmentation that has historically defined Mexicoâs system.
Mexico better watch out. Idiocracy and The Day After Tomorrow were pre-cog documentaries
better watch out for uncle sam
Hang on. Nothing is for free, but bravo Mexico for socializing medical care through taxation. The USA should be taking notes to extinguish their massive healthcare dumpster fire.
Free to the user at the time they need it and after they leave.
Seriously dude no one doesn't understand that
Damn! I'm about to go get the free shit in Mexico!
Maybe they will get tired of subsidizing medical care for illegal immigrants and build a wall!