EU says China trained Russian troops to fight in Ukraine war
11h 8m ago by lemmy.world/u/CAVOK in europe@feddit.org from www.straitstimes.com
This is tough, because I would like to see China as more sensible than Russia, and their help to Russia does not seem overwhelming.
Still this is cause to worry IMO. Because China claims to support international law, but training troops to fight in an illegal war against Ukraine is obviously contrary to supporting international law, as China claim they do.
I still hope China will be a more reasonable player on the international scene than what USA has become, and will adopt a more EU like approach of prosperity through cooperation.
If they do we will have a bright future ahead on both sides. If they don't, the world will become a lot worse than during the Pax America era that is coming to an end. Because China could become even more powerful than USA used to be.
China says they support international law, but then dont, look at what they do in the south pacific, the 9 dashes or whatever, making territorial claims against the Philippines and Taiwan, copy right infringement etc. Im not mad at China for training russian troops they are somewhat friendly to one another.
I think the artificial islands is China trying to be clever. Allegedly they are doing that to ensure their commercial traffic, IDK if this is really necessary? But some say that USA (through allies) have China kind of locked in, and could block Chinese transports in case of conflict.
If that is true, I can understand how that is a problem for China, and why they are trying to get around it.
No, that's just excusing china's behavior. They do shit like all the big players do
The UN recognizes that Taiwan is a province of the nation-state of China. That's why there is no official Taiwan delegation to the UN.
And the un is wrong an awful lot. Taiwan is its own nation. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk
Well, it's certainly not it's own nation as Taiwan people are part of the Han Chinese nation. Perhaps the Han Chinese in Taiwan will eventually become a State that is separate from China. But so far that hasn't happened.
Right and that's why countries have pledged to defend China...from itself? Is that the argument you are wanting to make? The reason its not recognized by the Un is because China is a power player with veto rights. Its all stupid politics to not upset china
You do understand the history right? The US chose to back the KMT on Taiwan, sort of like if England had decided to back the Confederates if they hold up in Florida. Except the KMT on Taiwan never seceded. In fact, they organized a fascist dictatorship on the island and they imprisoned and killed anyone who wanted to reunify with the mainland, and they also imprisoned and killed anyone who wanted to secede. The US was supporting them throughout the entire 4 decades of the White Terror wherein the government in Taiwan explicitly stated they were not a separate nation.
In fact, a bunch of Chinese people from Taiwan who fled to the US or Japan tried to build secessionary movements in exile and the KMT on Taiwan chased them down with spies and assassins to stop them.
Just because the US carries on the age old tradition of white European empires trying to pull pieces of China way from China doesn't mean Taiwan isn't part of China.
I do understand history, thanks. I mean, if you wanted to make the comparison, you got it backwards. And saying Taiwan imprisoned and killed a bunch of people for disagreeing seems to just be part of how China functions then, because mainland Taiwan has done the exact same thing lol.
Given that Taiwan has never existed as a country, your position that the two bodies are part of the same country is aligned with my position
Given that you're wrong, and that Taiwan is a country, no. Just because its not recognized by the un doesn't make it not a country lol
It's literally never been a country in its entire history. It is a province of China, it is recognized internationally as a province of China. No one has ever recognized it as a separate country. It doesn't have any legal standing as a separate country. It doesn't claim to be a separate country. And anyone in Taiwan that tried to claim it was a separate country was killed by the leadership of Taiwan for 40 years, and anyone from Taiwan that left and tried to claim it was a separate country was a target of the government on Taiwan to silence them from trying to say Taiwan was a separate country.
The only people who think Taiwan is a separate country are Westerners trying to justify why the US should have lethal military force installed and ready 4 miles off the coast of mainland China.
It’s literally never been a country in its entire history.
This is factually wrong. There has been a native population with their own governance for most of its history.
There have been some smaller trading outposts from the mainland Chinese over the course of history, but the Portuguese and Dutch traders actually had more influence on the island than those Chinese traders who carefully avoided conflict with the native population.
The claim over the island by the Chinese empire ever only existed on paper until a brief period in the late 19th/early 20th century when they tried to brutally colonize the island only to be shortly after overrun by the Japanese who happily took over the colony.
Nah dawg, maybe some of the people think that. Most of think that China just needs to fuck off. It is a country, it checks all the boxes required. I just don't like the taste of boot leather
If you don't like the taste of boot leather, why are you supporting the idea that the US military should be allowed to deployed military assets to threaten China, including stationing troops just off the coast of the mainland, in the same program of the US supporting a brutal military dictatorship for 40 years that killed and tortured people just for saying they think the civil war should end and the KMT should just surrender?
Or are you a fan of the Confederates and believe the South should rise again?
Oh the mental gymnastics, no not liking boot leather means not liking boot leather. Chinese or otherwise. I like countries living in peace. Taiwan wants to be alone then they should be. Why is it ok for China to threaten others but not the us? Why the double standards?
The CPC has literally stated, for 70 years, unchanging, that they recognize that the country needs healing, not violence, and that the only way they want Taiwan to be reintegrated is peacefully. The only statements they have ever issued, for 7 decades, about violence is that they will respond to any attempt to create the conditions for an existential military threat. The conflict between the losers of the civil war and the winners of the civil war has consistently been an internal conflict that the CPC fundamentally understands as something that must be resolved through peace and dialog. It is the US that has decided that Taiwan should be an unsinkable aircraft carrier, a staging area of US missiles, and part of the USA's Pacific Kill Chain.
China has NEVER threatened military violence against the people of Taiwan. They have only ever demonstrated their military readiness to fight against US and European military build up in the province. Which of course has a long history, that you are probably aware of but can't integrate into your worldview because you are smothered in Yellow Peril propaganda.
China hasn't dropped a bomb in a conflict since 1989 - that's 37 years. Meanwhile the US continues to say that they must "contain the threat of China" and they are building alliances in the region to "address the threat of China" while they literally destroy entire countries and commit acts of terror and war crimes wherever and whenever they want.
There is no double standard. There is one standard. The US is a mass murdering global beligerent. China is not. Defending against the USA is not the same as developing a kill chain to threaten China on the other side of the world. If China was doing the same things the USA was doing, then I would have a double standard. But China is not deploying missile systems and building air bases and barracks on Cuba. It's not building military alliances with Canada and Mexico, or building a proxy state in Quebec. It's not sending entire carrier groups to patrol the Gulf of Mexico.
There is no double standard here. China is the target of USA aggression. Framing China's defensive build up and readiness as somehow equivalent is the same thing as saying that slaves slowly gathering an arsenal of weapons and building escape routes is the same thing as slave owners building an arsenal of weapons and building relationships with slave catchers.
Alright, clearly you are just regurgitating Chinese propaganda. Have a great life all the best to you!
Not the sharpest T00l in the shed
Never claimed to be, but at least i dont rabidly defend colonial nations and their shittiness, like you do lol. Anyways as I said before. Have a great life! I wish you all the best
LOL, colonial nations. You're a a goddamned anglophone from the EuroCentric world. You are projecting your heritage onto the political enemies of the Eurocentric empire.
I disagree with the empire but I believe all of their lies
Taiwan is de facto an independent state. They have their own customs (as in economy), their own military and their own independent government.
No one officially recognizes it as independent because - as it turns out - neither China has any interest in changing the status quo. It is however very much implicitly recognized as independent considering trade deals made with mainland China do not affect trade deals with Taiwan and vice versa.
For all intents and purposes, Taiwan is more of a country than England but you'll find hardly anyone argue that England does not have countryhood.
The UN does not recognize Taiwan as a souvereign country, because China made that a requirement for them to participate in that institution.
It's also because Taiwan does not claim to be a sovereign country.
I mean you could say the same about any country supporting Israel so almost all European countries. Yes its really fucking horrible that Germany supports Israel, but that doesnt make them as bad as Israel itself. Same with China here, they adhere to international law until they decide not to. But technically speaking im not even sure if supplying Russia with weapons and training even violates international law.
Still bloody horrible that European countries continue to support Israel, and it's completely contrary to EU values and requirement of observing human rights.
At least most European countries are withdrawing support of Israel, and do not sell weapons to Israel anymore.
Yeah i think most people on here will agree that both of these are morally unacceptable.
Absolutely, difference is that with Germany it is decidedly against the ideals of EU, and illegal by EU standards.
Now we need to realize that we are not following our own required standard, and we need to adjust so we do.
China is not under any similar internal obligations.