This absolutely feels like republicans setting themselves up for the "red wave" in 2020 that never materialized.
Yeah I feel like anybody who was gonna come to lemmy already did
I just got notification from bacon reader that I can't use it anymore after almost 10 years. It was how I used reddit. I reckon a lot of folks will be getting that same announcement tomorrow, loads of iphone users especially. So I just deleted my account today. Reckon other people will do the same
While I want to agree with this, there have been a number of people saying they will stop using Reddit when the changes come into force on July 1.
Yeah people say stuff like that all the time. If they were really going to leave they'd have done it already
I heard that less than 10% of redditors use 3rd party apps. After tomorrow, I doubt that the whole 10% moves here. Maybe 5% if we are lucky (on unlucky if you are an instance owner).
What really matters is how well the mods can manage the site without their 3rd party tools. Without them, moderation will suffer.
The content on r/all was already dropping in quality during june. I was noticing I was getting into weird niche subreddit way earlier than usual, so hopefully that means all the post makers are starting to jump ship
I was getting into weird niche subreddit way earlier than usual
Same for me. I was getting a lot of 'suggested' communities in my feed
5% of Reddit is colossal compared to Lemmy's current numbers. I think even 0.1% would be very noticeable.
I might be in the minority, but I actually like Lemmy where it is now. Sorting by new, there's usually more new stuff than I can read anyway as-is.
There will probably be another wave. Simply for the fact that moderation bots are going to stop functioning tomorrow and Spam is just going to go through the roof. It all depends on how fast Reddit can get a handle on that situation.
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about the moderation tools losing API access. The big subreddits don't have the staff to manually fight all of that, especially with at least some of the senior/dedicated mods losing at least some interest in keeping things afloat. Pro bono work was already rough enough with tools to help. Remove those tools and it's going to put a lot of people off moderating in a serious manner.
Unpaid staff at that
At what point do they just decide fuck it and stop trying to fight against all the spam and irrelevant posts because they simply just don’t have the means to anymore
Why didn't they shut down the moderation bots already?
Nope, I totally missed the boat on this one. Just found refuge this morning.
Welcome!
I'm unsure. I switched today and are encouraging my friends in my life to do the same!
I signed up a few weeks ago, but I’m going to start contributing as soon as Apollo dies tonight. Fuck Reddit
Yeah I don't think there will be a significant drop in reddit users however I think they'll be a noticeable drop in quality posts and comments. I think with many older gen redditors and experienced mods jumping ship there's going to be somewhat of a void left in the wake.
Content already has been dropping in quality slowly. A few days ago people were talking about subs up voting Facebook level memes to the frontpage.
That was very much how the death of Digg felt. As the real users left, they're upvoting and downvoting pressure that kept total trash off the front page waned. Soon it was nothing but total garbage posts and advertisers who were gaming the system. The content quality completely crashed and it just pushed more real users away.
It'll be interesting to watch how well Reddit weathers this and what comes out the other side. Digg still exists, but it's a shadow of a shadow of its former self.
And just like then, I will expect the worst and still be pleasantly surprised if the best somehow materializes
I like this meme
Most 3rd party Reddit apps will be gone, and Reddit have shown willingness to move to a far more closed model than it used to be. Mods were and are not the only ones to leave.
Yeah people like you and me care about that, but let's face it, if the average user cared about how shitty social media sites treat them then FB and Twitter would be deserts
Twitter has also seen a mass exodus in the last few months in favor of a more open platform. And there's a real difference about Facebook in that on Facebook, you connect with people you know, so it's important to be on the same platform as them. It's harder for someone to leave the platform unless most of their friends move as well. Unsurprisingly, Messenger and Instagram are also really efficient in that regard.
This is not so true on Reddit, where people interacting usually don't know one another. What matters is the community, and communities can be smaller.
Well, that's how I use those platforms anyway, so obviously take this with a grain of salt.
FB is a desert compared with the old days, and Twitter will get there as well. Maybe the "AI revolution" can replace all the organic human content with fake people, but that's about their only chance long term. If you can even call such a thing a "win".
I hope that is the case with FB but according to my American friends it's still the social media site of choice for racist uncles everywhere
Do you remember Orkut? Digg? Slashdot?
Revisit Reddit one, two, three years from now. I think you might be surprised.
Something something remind me robot
I think you're right though. We are witnessing a seismic shift is how we interact online.
I wasn't a technical personal. I used bacon reader. Now I can't so it's so long reddit hello Lemmy. Easy transition
My take is slightly different. Apart from content you would find of Twitter/Instagram/Facebook/Tiktok, what makes reddit powerful is human experts, especially in STEM and tech. I see many of these people leaving and reddit becoming a meme + yt comments platform.
Lemmy actually has a really good API. Moderation tools are pretty simple though.
Yeah pretty much how I feel. Nothing drastic will change, very few users will completely switch to Lemmy and a few users will try Lemmy before going back to Reddit and others will tiptoe between the two sites (me)
I am 99% lurker and I joined a few weeks ago. I've been patiently waiting to see what happens with the amount and type of content after an assumed bump in activity when 3rd party apps go dark.
I was an Alien Blue user for years before Reddit purchased it, then I was using Sync (and will be again soon with Sync for Lemmy). Reddit is essentially dead to me without 3rd party apps.
I was also lurking without an account as I was waiting to see if reddit would get cold feet about pulling the plug (not that I had any real hope).
For me it's the principle of the thing. I don't want to support a business that conducts itself that way.
Similar deal here, I used AlienBlue then RIF. Not interested in using thexm first party Android app, so Reddit is pretty much desktop-only for me now. And I'll always default to what's on my phone if there's a usable alternative there.
Same here. I've jumped between various apps but ended the last year on Sync after their major UI overhaul. I don't plan on going back to Reddit due to the API issues. Looking forward to Sync for Lemmy!
Seeing that you stopped lurking to post this comment - how does it feel?
Same
I've seen people that use third party apps and had no idea about them going away. Let's see if it effects Reddit in any meaningful way.
I sort of hope it does. But also don't think it will in any meaningful way
The early adopters matter far more than the raw numbers suggest. There is no long tail for content creation and curation. Ongoing exsanguination will intensify. Prognosis is poor for this patient.
Exsanguination is a new word for me. I'm excited to start using it!
Joined earlier today
Welcome to the fediverse. You might find things to be pretty ok here
Welcome to the Lemmy side. We have freedom from corpos and stupid descisions. Oh, and cookies ;)
Your instance has cookies!? Mine just has stupid science and nature themed communities...
Too many implosions recently. I wonder what gives??
Maybe they think the money they can make from companies using their APIs to train AI is worth tanking user satisfaction with their platform
Which is insane.
You can train an AI on old conversations that already happened. That's the real value of reddit, the existing conversations that have their relevance/entertainment quantified already.
To practice conversing, they don't need every api request, the chatbot can just browse reddit like a normal user.
The chatbot companies just pulled all the api data, because why wouldn't they? It was free.
Doesn't mean they're willing to pay $5 for it let alone ne 20 million a month.
Maybe for them it actually is worth it. Not much different from a pump and dump.
I mean, for the Reddit user, it sucks. And it's a shame for Reddit to be reduced to something like that.
They don't care though.
Brace yourselves ladies gentelman and everyone in between. It will be hard.
We'll be celebrating a lot of cake days on next year's June and July
And every June/July going forward lol
This has been him for the past 3 or 4 weeks
I’m off Reddit fully but I don’t think it’ll be an implosion. With a few other apps striking deals, some will switch to those while others will stick with the main. I think mostly OGs and people more comfortable with tech are the ones who made the switch.
I agree. Lemmy takes a bit to get used to. I think if content starts to get worse on Reddit, more people will get bored and switch. Hopefully by then those early kinks in lemmy will have been cleared out.
We first need to generate some content so new users will find information and enjoyment on Lemmy, otherwise there is no use for the platform, information got me on reddit in the first place, now information will keep me on Lemmy, I will try to generate some too.
With the development of third party apps, Lemmy might soon become as accessible as Reddit.
However, content on Lemmy is still a lot more sparse than on Reddit. On the other hand, that is pretty good, because a lot of the content on Reddit was quite obviously posted by community managers.
It would be so wonderful if this is the last reddit hug of death
Buh bye bacon ☹️
Will miss bacon and all the third party clients Spez killed..
Deleted my account today and uninstalled RIF. They'll be getting nothing from me.
Strange feeling seeing the rif app missing from my home screen, it has been there for over a decade...
Ditto. I haven't deleted it yet, but it's been off the menu for a month and some now. Maybe I can put a custom icon on Jerboa to soften the transition?
Did you shred it before? If not, they already have what you put in publicly, available publicly, and it's all saved on their end even if you shred all publicly available content.
Reddit got your thoughts and they will monetize them either selling the data to AI companies or just getting ad/personal data money from people reading your content and interacting with it on their website.
It sucks to admit but if you didn't shred your account reddit still profits off you publicly, and even if you did shred your account, they will profit off you in backrooms instead.
This is what made me come over here. So far seems like it has a lot of promise to be a great alternative
RIF stopped working today, so here I am. I for one, welcome my new Lemmy overlord instances
Yeah. Not bothering to install the regular Reddit app now that RIF is gone
Apollo has been deleted, Reddit app remains deleted. Memmy has taken Apollo’s spot. Feels good.
OPEN THE GATES!!!
Good for us. I wish this happens to snapchat, facebook, Instagram, whatsapp and even google (little hard for google) Btw I'm already on pixelfed instead of Instagram.
I'm on pixelfed, but without any of my friends on there, there's not much to it. But the appeal of Reddit is not that your friends are there, so the move to Lemmy or kbin is easier.
I quit Instagram so if any of my friends wanna see my pics, I'm on pixelfed. None of my friends are on pixelfed. Also, all they use is YouTube and Instagram, they don't know what reddit is, never knew myspace, tumblr.
I ditched google a while ago for duck duck go. It works fine. I really want a federated YouTube replacement that's gonna be rad. Imagine if you will no advertising
There is already a YouTube replacement. It's "PeerTube". Now we have to hope that the content creators would also move.
Maybe they could make a version of Lemmy that uses PeerTube as its video player, or a version of PeerTube that uses Lemmy to handle its comment threads.
I always wonder, who's gonna pay for server space? I don't think donations can keep it up. Also with the advertisement and data selling system people are not used to donations.
Haven't donations kept Reddit going for years?
the real test is will Lemmy attain sustainable growth after this fiasco? or it is just temporary?
I was there gandalf. A thousand years ago when digg died and reddit took its place.
Things are in motion that cannot be undone
I think the hard-core redditers - those who aren't just using reddit to find the best burger when they visit Houston - will stay here, or have more of a presence.
At least that is my hope - "If you want Lemmy to be Reddit, just go back to Reddit." As it were.
Casual redditers don't even know there are non-offical mobile apps.
I already see valuable knowledge communities such as NoLawns, Privacy, Piracy and AskLemmy etc already here. Users come for knowledge and content. If we add valuable knowledge here it's inevitable that Lemmy becomes a desirable place. The cherry on top is that there are no ads, and it's completely free and open source (reminder that those are two different things).
I was born for this momento
digg vibes
Agree. Feels very similar to the Digg exodus.
As long as we remember to be patient and gentle it should be ok
I'm ready for them when they get here!
I moved here a month ago knowing that this is just the latest in aggregation/news/forum site upheavals. I learned to not wait back when Digg was crashing out and everyone was moving to this small site called "Reddit" at the time.
I came from other sites to Digg and someday I'll likely migrate away from lemmy, but this is a good home for now and I'm very thankful for the federation hosters to keep us up and running.
I don't think we really know at this point what will happen or how fast reddit will fall. What we do know is third party app users will no longer be able to use the site. And that it will be harder for users with disabilities to effectively use reddit.
Just joined! I'm used to information dense webpages and the sparse nature of the lemmy website is weird. So much white space. That being said, I hope reddit learns a lesson or just straight up dies.
I do hope that happens but I heard of Lemmy through Reddit, and if they refuse to go on reddit how will they know of this wonderful place!
It's funny cuz it's true.
Went on the apple sub yesterday and majority of people on there didn’t give a shit about the API changes and were calling the Apollo developer a whiny multi millionaire or something. Feels like the general tone has shifted a lot.
That feels like self-selection bias to me. The most vocal people with opinions leaning the other direction, have already left the platform.
I agree, my point is there is still a lot of activity among the people that didn’t leave. I think Reddit will continue but with a very different user base.
You're right and that's totally fine, I don't want Reddit to completely collapse, it's better that a lot of the people there stay there. Lemmy can get enough adoption to be a rich community with only a tiny percentage of the Reddit user base.
Exactly. People with opposing viewpoints have already left. So there's noone to balance out the discussion.
I also wonder if the Reddit admins might have started some kind of marketing campaign to build the consensus in their favor of their own platform. There have been several instances of third parties using social media to do that kind of things, the hivemind makes it easy enough that the word of mouth is going to spread when it's high enough on the main subs.
That might be granting them more PR credit than they've shown in the last few weeks, though.
Lmao
Test comment
He's not even sad in the meme, just empty head
Just random thoughts: What would be your thoughts on a day-of moratorium on registrations? Give everyone a day or two to think on it then open it back up?