Lemmy.ml actively asked people to sign up elsewhere. They have a small server and aren't meant to be a general instance.
Lemmy.world is run by people who have one of the larger Mastodon servers, and actively advertises to be open and neutral.
It’s also the devs server and they have Lemmy code to write. Can’t be spending time moderating.
And the other stuff
It's also presented as the default on most apps, I believe
That’s a big one. People tend to go with the default
That's why the apps on the official stores are so important. Convenience wins.
Rule of the defaults. Most people use whatever the default is. That's why there is always a push to he the default thing. Microsoft pushes edge on their stuff, Google pushes chrome, apps pushes safari, etc.
That’s also why Google pays Apple $20 billion annually to be Safari’s default search engine. Most people can’t be bothered to change their defaults/don’t want to after having it as their default for so long.
That's a problem that will reveal itself later. Decentralization goes away when everyone flocks to one server. Turns into Reddit 2.0
I’m not sure whether the issues plaguing Reddit really apply to lemmy, even with a single instance being disproportionately larger than the others, which makes “Reddit 2.0” a bit less derogatory to me. Reddit’s moderator tools were severely lacking for the required output (federation helps diffuse communities, and lemmy doesn’t encourage bots to swarm in order to increase apparent user numbers for investor satisfaction), every big anti-hate decision required a media spectacle to precede it (admins here aren’t free speech absolutists with authoritarian hard-ons), and staff retention at Reddit is an odd loop of promotion into managerial obsolescence which severely increases overhead (irrelevant to lemmy). Reddit 2.0 wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to me.
Not to mention that signups on .ml is closed so you can't join anyway
This is the correct answer. The devs have been saying this for years but new users often weren't aware of this and saw it as the default instance. It's good to see that's changed.
They’re not neutral though. They’ve already started defederating instances with users whose opinions they don’t like.
Well I said they advertise, not that they are.
I think most of it has to do with that lemmy.world has better hardware than other instances. The admin Rudd has a lot of experience running federated services as well. So it may be his first rodeo lemmy-wise but not hosting a federated service with a large user-base.
So when a lot of smaller instances started getting overwhelmed and stopping signups, lemmy.world was going strong without the performance issues that other instances might see.
That along with the fact that NSFW content is allowed makes lemmy.world a good alternative for Reddit refugees looking for something stable with a similar set of rules as well.
I myself joined lemmy.ml at first, then beehaw.org when lemmy.ml asked everyone to spread out, and finally found home on lemmy.world because I didn’t really like how downvotes are disabled on beehaw. Not to mention the defederation that beehaw has done recently. Although I can understand and appreciate why they’ve done that.
Indeed. Even though I'm using the Lemmy.ca instance to distribute the load, I use Ruud's Mastodon instance.
I've signed up for a bunch of them and still haven't decided where I want to make my main. I know that annoys some people but I love it because it means I get to have a choice! I think I'll have a Lemmy world account since they're big, buti also want to find a good smaller community to have slower more meaningful conversations. I hope the Lemmy protocol adds support for account linking some day.
I’ve signed up for a bunch of them and still haven’t decided where I want to make my main.
Same story for me, although I keep coming back to Lemmy.world in the first instance, at least for the Lemmy instances (also explored kbin, tildes and squabbles). Mixed feelings about Lemmy.ml as I think there’s virtue being on the instance the devs run as it seems unlikely to go away, although there has been the talks around political views. From the political side, I do hang out more often than not in tech spaces though so I doubt it’d actually impact anything I’d want to engage in discussion about.
Also have an account with Beehaw which was my first but silly as it may seem, the name of that one puts me off a bit. “Lemmy.world” sounds like something I can more easily communicate to a friend verbally, for whatever that is worth.
I have a world and an Australian account as I am in Australia.
I've moved once so far, but it wasn't as straightforward forward as I'd hoped. Do you know of a simple way to migrate (export/import) communities and settings across instances?
There's a userscript somewhere. Check [plugins](https://sh.itjust.works/c/plugins)
Interesting. I browse Lemmy exclusively on mobile, for a one time transfer of communities I guess I could set up greasemonkey and find that script. Thanks!
I left Beehaw because the defederated from instances where half my communities were at. Ended up on Lemmy world because they had my favorites.
I started at BeeHaw because they have a lot of cool communities. I didn't want to write an essay (I'm exaggerating ...a little) to sign up for an account so I ended up on sh.itjust.works.
Haha same. I started at beehaw but am having a hard time manually adding communities that I want to keep in that feed since they aren't onfederated instances. So I moved to sh.ithust.works and reddthat.
I'll probably keep beehaw, I like a lot of what it has to offer and it's cool for it to be a specific corner for me. But one of the others will probably become my default home
Shit just works, yo.
At this point I don’t know how I got here and where I’m going and I’m too afraid to ask
I signed up on the 12th, after spending a little time comparing with the information I had. My thought process was:
- I was uncomfortable with the fact that .ml was hosted in Malaysia
- I thought a larger instance might mean it sticks around longer, but didn't really want to be on the largest (which .ml was)
- Beehaw seemed otherwise a good fit, but their policies seemed too restrictive
- .world seemed to have liberal policies, allowed NSFW, was large but not largest, and was hosted in a country that didn't worry me
I was uncomfortable with the fact that .ml was hosted in Malaysia
Not to discount your other points, but lemmy.ml isn't hosted in Malaysia. The .ml TLD is for Mali, a country in Africa. And the site is hosted by OVH, on servers in France.
Wow, thanks for that, I really thought .ml was Malaysia. While I had some mild concerns about Malaysia, isn't Mali a shit show as far as human rights? If the servers are in France, that mitigates a lot, but I think I have more concerns about Mali.
The country of Mali has little to do with lemmy.ml, apart from an annual transaction worth 10 USD.
Mali has nothing to do with the instance though. Every country has a top level domain, like .CA or .UK etc. Most of them you have to pay to make a website using the domain. Mali is one country that lets anybody use the ML domain for free. That’s the only reason Lemmy.ml uses it, they have nothing to do with Mali else-wise. (Well there is the bit about ML = Marxist Leninist, but that is a bit of a backronym.)
For me ML stands for Machine Learning. Mali is sitting on a goldmine of a tld, and could turn into Tuvalu
Good to know, thanks
Ya. I’m pretty sure they just took .ml because it was a cheaper domain, but someone’ll have to correct me on that.
The admins of .ml are tankies. The letters don't reference a place, they reference a couple of communist leaders who the admins are fans of. I'm surprised that more people aren't aware of that on this platform.
It's intended to stand for Marxist - Leninist, is what I heard. I didn't want to support a tankie thing which is why I went to world.
I don't think it stands for either, I saw somewhere that it stands for Marx-Lenin since the founders are communists
Classic communists, making their own tlds and everything
It is indeed a Mali domain, but of course people choose their domains because of their niche community - in case of .ml, it often stands for "Machine Learning". In this case I am pretty sure you are right and it is meant to represent " Marxist/Leninist" in this case, it is known that the instance admins are close to that ideology.
Would you feel better if they were communists and chose something completely neutral instead, like .io?
That’s such an arbitrary thing to be concerned about
I'm not implying anything, I'm just stating a fact (or at least what I think is a fact)
I love how World and Blahaj are lgbt friendly and anti authoritarianism, unlike .ml.
Can I ask what worries you about it being hosted on Malaysia?
I'm not any authority, and I could be just ignorant, but my understanding is that the Malaysian government makes liberal use of laws against sedition and that govern communication to silence dissent. There was an artist who has been jailed a couple times this year for political satire. That kind of atmosphere doesn't seem like a good place to host communities that want free discussion.
Malaysian police are also asking Interpol to help them investigate a comedian in New York over a joke she made about Malaysia. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65894721
They haven't asked for extradition yet, but it worries me that they could ask for extradition from the US just because a US citizen made a mean joke that hurt their feelings. If they asked, would the US comply? Seems pretty anti-free-speech if they did.
That's a pretty valid reason, I'll have to look into it more as I already created an account on .ml. While I do call myself an anarchist/communist, I don't zealously jump at the defense of a government without nuancing the situation.
Excep .ml isn’t the TLD for Malaysia… .my is. .ml is Mali.
And TLDs have little to do with where stuff is hosted. .it is Italy and .ai is Anguilla, but not always by Italian or Anguillan companies.
I knew that .ml stand for "Marxist-Lenninist" and now that I realize the other lem thought .ml meant it's being hosted in Malaysia I'm cracking up. That's a fun mishap.
It's decidedly not hosted in malaysia. I'm also unclear why that would be a problem though.
Why did I create a Lemmy world account as opposed to beehaw or ml? Because it's the first one I saw. Because it doesn't matter. Because I don't know what ml stands for. Because Lenny world said "general use." Because I didn't have to fill out an application. Because I can still interact with everything else, and again, it doesn't matter.
As someone signing up for lemmy.world, my reasons were:
- It sounds official or at least less obscure than ".ml" or "sh.itjust.works"
- It sounded inclusive (we're all part of the world, so to speak)
- It was in the list of default instances of Connect for Lemmy
Otherwise, I didn't give much though to which instance to pick.
Someone posted it, maybe in r/piracy, and I signed up. Didn’t give any thought to which instance I was signing up for because I didn’t understand the fediverse well enough yet lol.
Same - sounds better, like .com vs .io and similar.
Someone posted it, maybe in r/piracy, and I signed up. Didn’t give any thought to which instance I was signing up for because I didn’t understand the fediverse well enough yet lol.
Someone posted it, maybe in r/piracy, and I signed up. Didn’t give any thought to which instance I was signing up for because I didn’t understand the fediverse well enough yet lol.
Someone posted it, maybe in r/piracy, and I signed up. Didn’t give any thought to which instance I was signing up for because I didn’t understand the fediverse well enough yet lol.
I went for the most generic "official" sounding name.
Underrated comment. I picked it because I had no idea what I was doing and it sounded all-encompassing and I wanted access to everything. I didn't even know what an instance was. I just picked it because it sounded like a good guess to get access to all of Lemmy.
Yeah same. But from .world we're able to access all the other instances right?
Well, not beehaw right now.
All except those it's federated with like exploding heads and behave.
Fun fact: those tankies are also the developers of Lemmy overall… sigh
Yeah, the fact that lemmy.world and many other instances exist with content that the devs might not like is proof that they wrote something where their own personal views don't affect the independence of each instance to run the way it wants.
I mean... forbidding any discussion of unpopular actions taken by Russia is pretty much an example of promoting their own views.
Yep agreed.
The lemmy devs have said they dont bring politics into their dev work and are happy to work with anyone.
Lemmy is also an open source application that can be forked at anytime.
It's also using the activity pub protocol which means that any application can interact with the entire fediverse.
You can use kbin if you are still uncomfortable with lemmy then you can sign up to a kbin instance and view all the content you would view from a lemmy instance.
Yeah I’m ok with it for now, and will chalk it up as some guys being young and idealistic with strange idiosyncratic or edgy views they might grow out of.
I’ve seen their statements trying to walk it back and they seem generally very well intentioned, I give it the benefit of doubt for now.
This is really seeming to look like “dev team was unclear that they didn’t want politics on their server. They removed comments critical of Russia. Group of people ran with this as evidence they are pro-Russia/Anti-Ukraine. dev team tried to clarify their policies but it’s too late and the PR Shitstorm already happened”.
Tough spot to be in as a “startup” FOSS platform but could totally infer that’s how it is playing out.
It was all their own words though, not just content on the server, but anyhow no worry.
As long as it doesn't influence how they build the platform, them having absurd opinions isn't much of a problem for the users.
It’s the whole point of the Fediverse. If their absurd opinions don’t appeal to you, you can block them or defederate their instance and not have them affect you (or your instance if you’re an admin).
Kbin is an alternative. Totally different software.
Hence why I'm on Kbin. Ernest is so much better as a dev.
kbin has been my favourite so far
Shitty people tend to clump together.
I see no political posts on that instance. Might be that politics are banned on the instance?
When I first can to Lemmy there was a good bit of it, I think since then it’s been drowned out by all the less extreme folks.
I’m okay with the devs being communists as it means they aren’t likely to sell out to corporate interests!
I am new like most of us. When I signed up I had no idea what an instance was. To me the name Lemmy.world sounded like it was more general and therefore would have more content so I picked that one.
Yeah the name sounded the most inviting. It's Lemmy... That's the name of what I want... And it's world, that sounds like a generic description of "everything". But at the end of the day I just clicked a link in a comment. Seemed to me to be the more popular one suggested.
Mainly because signups were closed on Lemmy.ml and they were not on Lemmy.world.
Ya, I applied for beehaw.org and didn't get access after a few days and lemmy.world was open so made an account there. Not much else to it.
This is pretty much the answer. The number of people who actually made the decision based on "reasons" is very few.
Exactly this. I tried numerous times on lemmy.ml and never got an email back for the verification, so I just gave up. World is the next logical choice. Since beehaw is already defederating, if you're coming to the fediverse, joining an instance that's already isolating itself, even if it has good reasons, doesn't seem appealing. So lemmy.world it is. Tho here I am using my kbin mostly because then I have kbin, mastodon, and Lemmy integration all in one.
The developer for RIF told me to come here. I figured that I should trust the person that created the app that I've used for hundreds of hours.
Lemmy.ml had a pinned post asking new people to go elsewhere while beehaw was denying “membership” to their little bubble. lemmy.world was welcoming everyone with open arms.
Same here!
I was overwhelmed by the options of instances. Then Reddit is Fun had a pop up message suggesting to go to lemmy.world. I trusted Reddit is Fun so I followed its suggestion.
Plus it's easier to say and communicate "lemmy world"
Funny how a lot of us originally found Reddit through watermarks on pics on Ebaum's World. Maybe worth flooding reddit with pics watermarked lemmy.world
Genius
Someone should make a bot that randomly scrapes Reddit main subs to seed articles on here. Just to get more content. I have been doing so manually using old Reddit occasionally.
That being said, even in the last week I been seeing a great deal of more content. Now would like to see more communities.
I've unsubscribed from a couple of communities that did that. They were flooded with content that no one would discuss.
Already available; you can request subs at requests@lemmit.online. The lemmit.online instance is dedicated to replicating content over. It's awesome.
I open today rif accidently and it started to work again. Logged out mind you. Got a weird message with instructions to log back into my Reddit account. Was able to browse Reddit as a guest on the meanwhile. Didn't want to log back in as fuck Reddit.
Did rif sell to Reddit? Couldn't blame him if he did but all the same I am leaving. Just can't see how rif would still work without Reddit owning his servers. Anyone know what is going on?
Reddit wasn't interested in buying any of the 3rd party apps. Since you know, apparently they're so great at making apps that there were a dozen third party ones that people preferred.
I don't know, but it might be that Reddit is only limiting API keys for authenticated sessions. That way the anonymous requests still work up to the free API rate limits.
I was overwhelmed by the options of instances. Then Reddit is Fun had a pop up message suggesting to go to lemmy.world. I trusted Reddit is Fun so I followed its suggestion.
I open today rif accidently and it started to work again. Logged out mind you. Got a weird message with instructions to log back into my Reddit account. Was able to browse Reddit as a guest on the meanwhile. Didn’t want to log back in as fuck Reddit.
Did rif sell to Reddit? Couldn’t blame him if he did but all the same I am leaving. Just can’t see how rif would still work without Reddit owning his servers. Anyone know what is going on?
[emphasis mine]
If anything, it sounds like rif sold to lemmy.world.
Lemmy.ml are tankies anyway so, good
Probably because its name sounds official and it allows quick registration while others need approval (some never approves you).
Turns out it’s the right choice as the admin seems very active in updates and fixes. Lemmy.world also has a more chill homey vibes. At least that’s what I observed so far.
Regardless of the how, I think it's really cool that the top instance isn't run by the devs. Really shows off the power and appeal of decentralized services.
By keeping sign-ups open, mostly.
Lemmy.ml, to my understanding, was always meant to be a pilot instance from the devs of lemmy. Beehaw is kind of its own forum. There is also sh.itjust.works, but that has been caught up in some federation drama, and I don't think people like the name. Lemmy.world has been the right server at the right time to absorb everyone and I guess they have been able to keep up with sign-ups. Kudos to them.
federation drama
Not really. We had a thedonald community for like 5 hours before it was banned, and a tiny number of people started shouting about how terrible we are because we don't read the minds of people joining.
Also, we're trying to run this instance democratically, and the first vote is a pretty easy no-brainer: defederate a hate speech instance. Not really "drama" as much as everyone has an opinion.
You can check out the discussion on the agora, the vast majority of the discussion is very respectful.
EDIT: Discussion I'm talking about is here.
I'm talking about on other instances, who are trying to figure out if they are defederating.
When I had to choose I thought .world means, it‘s the central, most important place to be. Didn‘t know what the other abbreviations meant. Didn‘t care.
They're just top Level Domains (TLDs). It's like .com, doesn't mean anything outside of a name usually.
The other abbreviations are simply website domains. FYI the ".ml" from the mail lemmy dev means Marxist-Leninist, because they are tankies.
ml is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Mali. Introduced 29 September 1993 Intended use Entities connected with Mali Actual use Sees some use in Mali and for some websites about machine learning. Use is relatively rare elsewhere. Registration restrictions Yes, for free domains only
How do we know that? Have they said so?
Lemmy.ml had sign ups closed. Behaw required a short story or something to get accepted. Lemmy.world was accepting sign-ups wasn't hosted somewhere shady and had active communities. It was a pretty easy choice. Assuming the admins have a pledge drive or something to host on AWS/GCP so we can get better burst capabilities I'd love to donate.
Rif sent me to lemmy.world to make an account. Didnt know the deal here and still kinda iffy but im getting the idea.
Just think of each separate site (AKA 'instances', like lemmy.world, sh.it.just.works) as different competing versions of Reddit. All with their own different subreddits.
The key difference though is that these instances are all partnered together ('federated') because they are running on the same technology so you can see posts from the other instances.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. If I understand correctly, it functionally shouldn't matter which instance you use, because the experience is supposed to be the same across them all?
Does it matter that I'm on world? Is there a reason I might prefer a different instance? Something I'm missing?
A site admin can “defederate” from any other instance, effectively cutting the users of that instance off. Example: beehaw.org defederated from Lemmy.world, and now they’re both completely isolated communities.
So that could be the reason you’d want to create accounts on other instances.
As the other person mentioned, it matters to an extent because the admins of your instance have the ability to cut ties with other instances (defederation). They also have the ability to make instance wide actions like banning a community belonging to that instance (in the same way Reddit admins can ban a subreddit).
Some instances will naturally be stricter about what types of communities are allowed and what types of instances they will federate with. For that reason, it's important the instance you join aligns with your values, e.g. you probably don't want to join an instance that tolerates alt right communities.
aside from moderation stuff, smaller instances tend to be faster and, ironically, more reliable in the shorter term, as they're not constantly getting hugged to death
and in the long term while they may be more vulnerable to running out of cash and shutting down, they're less costly to maintain overall, so as long as people chip in that's not as big of a concern
Smaller instances could probably be run entirely on aws free tier as well.
Do you also see the same comments across all instances or are those local only?
I'm also very new to lemmy so forgive me if I'm a bit mistaken here, but I saw a decent analogy on the dbzero instance. An Instance is like a street and the communities are like businesses in that street. You can go to multiple streets (instances like lemmy.world, lemmy.ca, etc) and find a macdonalds (/c/technology) on each one. You can walk into each and expect to find the same-ish fries (content) but the people will be different, and if you talk to someone at macdonalds on 1st (technology@lemmy.world) you won't hear a response from someon at the macdonalds on 2nd (technology@lemmy.ml).
EDIT: But of course importantly, those streets are adjacent to eachother (federated) so you (your account) can walk freely between them even though you live on 1st street (lemmy.world)
That's how I'm trying to make sense of it anyway
Comments and posts sync. We are on different instances but are still talking to each other.
AFAIK you can see the same comments across all instances. I think of it like email, a person can send an email from hotmail.com to gmail.com, and they choose which domain to sign up with. It all has the same underlying foundation, so both websites can communicate.
I think lemmy.world js the only one of the three that are still accepting new sign ups.
Lemmy.ca is, but you have to write a blurb. It's a filter to keep spammers, bad actors, and bots down. Seems to be working though -- it's #8 on the population list and growing even though it is "closed".
There are lots of instances accepting sign-ups -- here's a good overview: https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances
I joined world before I knew what an instance was. When the RIF app shut down, the developer recommended lemmy.world. I honestly, thought it was a single website.
For me honestly mostly the name. World. Seems like a default instance to me. What does ml even mean?
RIF specifically directed me here. I didn't join one before that because I didn't know which one was "best". I honestly don't care which one I joined, I just wanted to be on the one everyone else is on. I know this mindset somewhat defeats part is the purpose of the federated communities. I don't care about that in the slightest I just want a clone of Reddit.
Also "world" sounds more generic/standard than ml. Most people probably think it's a military website or something.
You'll probably find 90%+ of casuals are in the same boat as me.
Casual here, and had the exact same situation lol.
Same, though ML made me think "Machine Learning", and that it was a more tech-focused place. This was before I realised they they're all (broadly) the same, and assumed that they were groupings of similar topics like an old web-ring.
Hell I thought it meant Marxist Leninist
I'm pretty sure it actually does stand for that in lemmy.ml's case at least.
LoL! That is an unusual guess, I don't think I have heard of "Marxist Leninists" in popular media in a while!
The Lemmy devs are tankies. That's exactly what it stands for
Ditto
.world is a catchy top-level domain
It's true. Before I migrated to lemmy.ca, I first subscribed to lemmy.world thinking it was the "official" instance.
Is there an easy way to move my account over without just making a new account and just manually reaubbing to everything?
Not right now but AFAIK that is in the works
They were also running on a beefier server. On my first week I tried several instances, but lemmy.world was the most consistently up that was also in jerboa.
it's fitting too since Lemmy is soon gonna take over the world
Happens when you are one of the few allowing signups while others are blocking them.
Lemmy.ml grew too large during the early days of June. They started to recommend people to NOT sign up for lemmy.ml and find another instance. The next instance that stood out was beehaw which rejected signups if they didn't like your answer as to why you wanted to join. After that, lemmy.world stood out the most.
Also because the political leanings of the lemmy.ml mods offended a lot of former redditors, including myself.
Communists yes, communists no. Marxist Leninists aren't representative of all of socialism or all of communism. They'll tell you they are. As well as a lot of other things. Don't believe em. Capital C Communism is the noun they are most commonly identified by. But there are other types and scales of communism that are benign and often heavily disagree with Leninists. As a socialist myself I think debate is good, and tanks have no place in them. So I generally don't side much with ML or capitalists.
You may know all that stuff. But I know most don't due to the repressive censoring nature of capitalism. Which is the reason I mention it. Not to be pedantic or anything.
And why exactly did it do that? Their political stance has no part in the development or the management of the instance.
They delete any criticism of Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.
And Russia is fascist/capitalist these days. The reactionary kneejerk is real.
Lmao holy shit.
I don't think it's true. There is even /c/Ukraine on ml.
Lemmy.ml basically shut up shop, redirecting people to other instances, because they were struggling, and the developers never really intended it to be as big as an instance as it has become.
Their registrations are still closed, so even if you wanted to join, that is not possible at the moment.
Idk about other people, but I don't really know how the instances work and the lemmy.world instance name seems the least abstract. Beehaw was confusing because it's not called lemmy so idk if it's a different thing or what, and idk what .ml means or stands for. Lemmy.world just looks like it's the default lemmy instance to me as a dunce who doesn't know how lemmy works.
Well put! I'm still very confused about "instances," and the way people talk about them makes it seem like you need to sign up for each one? But that can't be right, that would be way too confusing! Right? Lol.
Lemmy.world also seems like the best place to ask questions. Everyone I've encountered has been very helpful, and I see a lot of people talking about how positive the community is. So I'm trying to just sit back and enjoy the ride!
I wasn’t able to signup to lemmy.ml the best for me was to signup on lemmy.world and get my journey started 😃
EDIT: grammar
Same
Idk about other people, but I don't really know how the instances work and the lemmy.world instance name seems the least abstract. Beehaw was confusing because it's not called lemmy so idk if it's a different thing or what, and idk what .ml means or stands for. Lemmy.world just looks like it's the default lemmy instance to me as a dunce who doesn't know how lemmy works.
My leading theory is that both lemmy.world and lemmy.ml were in a list of 5+ “recommended” communities, and “world” is the only recognizable word that implies all-inclusivity. And now that the world population is so high, more people will assume that is the “default/correct” community.
I joined world because I figured it was a global community, and did not want to limit myself before I even knew what I was joining into. I may end up making 2 or 3 accounts just to have access to separate, possibly defederated, communities.
When I saw the Lemmy posts making the rounds on Reddit it was all for Lemmy.World, probably why its getting more pop.
this is spot on. that's exactly how it went for me and probably most others.
I have active accounts in other instances to mimic the multi functionality, where I joined different communities.
lemmy.world is defederated from beehaw, which is why I'm not on it.
I chose Lemmy.ee largely because they are federated with every major instance.
Precisely why I may end up with a multi-Lemmy
lemmy.ml really lagged in the early days and the first post on lemmy.world was /u/Ruud bragging about new hardware and how it’s all running smoothly with the influx
This was my reasoning. Sounded like .ml was having trouble and lemmy.world was advertising their upgraded server and seemed to working good so it's what I went with.
You can't create communities on Beehaw and they are abusing defederation, no wonder it's not growing. I don't know about lemmy.ml
I used to be on Beehaw a lot, I have never seen a single troll or hate speech coming from lemmy.world. Being too extreme in protecting your users has the opposite of the desired effect
I like the lack of downvotes, most people use downvotes so silence people. If there's hate speech or things I think are misinformation the user should be reported or blocked.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. -Hanlon
Beehaive is not defederating because they’re censorious assholes, it’s because their mod tools/skill are not up to the task.
Something being within your rights doesn't automatically mean it's good.
"abusing" defederation lol... They're using it precisely as it's intended my guy.
Rif user here. When then 429s started I clicked on the RIF announcements part of the app which had a link to lemmy.world - and here I am.
When I was joining ~a month ago the situation was very different
I tried lemmy.one - had some issues joining
I saw beehaw.org - no downvotes - not my jam
I saw lemmygrad.ml - too political for my tastes
I saw sopuli.xyz - most of local posts and server maintenance posts were in language I don't speak - maybe I can find something fitting me more?
I saw lemmy.world - small but not looking like private, in Europe, so pings should be ok and description seemed fine
I also saw lemmy.ml - seemed like the main instance with the most users - having some understanding of federation from Mastodon migration I decided to spread the load...
And here we are :D
Beehaw defederates like it's going out of style, Lemmy.ml doesn't allow criticism of the CCP. Lemmy.world seems much more stable and neutral.
They weren't selective about who is joining (unless people were absolute douches) and the community is pretty much nice to get along with.
When Lemmy.ml was still on top I initially tried to sign up and was unable to. They could not handle the influx when the first migration occurred during the blackout days.
Lemmy.world on the other hand worked just fine.
Lemmy.world allows creating communities, where as lemmy.ml doesn't. For me that was a big reason why I moved from lemmy.ml to lemmy.world. (I made this account after beehaw defederated lemmy.world. I would have made this my default account, but sadly there still seems to be some communication issues between instances. I have some communities on lemmy.world, but I don't see the content sync properly here.)
Beehaw unlinked from Lemmy.world? Yeah will have to go smoke my beehaw account then if I can.
It's temporary until there are better mod tools - beehaw is supposed to be a safe space but they cannot keep their promise when federating with everyone else due to the amount of posts.
That makes more sense. It seemed like a nice setup.
Eh don't think it's temporary they are going to be an island onto themselves.
From what I recall (from all of 8 days ago) Beehaw said it was because lemmy.world allowed unrestricted signups and therefore was at risk from bots or (i guess) unsavory people, while Beehaw was trying to have a curated membership to be 'safe'.
Their stated reason being that currently they don't feel like they have the moderation tools to remove rule breaking content should a bunch of bots and spammers flood in
I feel like that's reasonable. Lemmy is still in very active development, and still building up a lot of features. Also, their defederation isn't meant to be permanent either
It seems somewhat lame or maybe insulting, but on the other hand not every site has to have the same philosophy. Lemmy is essentially forum software and instances don't have to be federated with any others if they don't want to be. If someone wanted they could start their own standalone site for Washington Park Roller Skating Club or whatever they want and that would be a fine use of the software.
I wouldn't call them douchey. It's not like they're causing damage to anybody else and there's nothing wrong with using their own lemmy instance as a local bbs.
That said, I decided not to join them when I saw I would have to go through a sort of interview process explaining how I would contribute to them. They also have a long winded text to say the rules will be applied arbitrarily.
Fully unrestricted Lemmy.world didn't use captcha or require an email. Beehaw could ban someone and in seconds troll_2 would have a new account and pick back up.
Ok much more sense then. Thank you.
They must have just disabled it because I created my community, /c/ereader_community@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml
Both of those instances tend to be fairly censorship heavy, so people who just want to have a chat will be less interested in joining an instance that's going to shut down a conversation that they're enjoying.
Before all this stuff with reddit went down, most of the instances on the threadiverse we're fairly censorship heavy, and so people didn't really bother coming over from the main fediverse. With the establishment of new and more liberal instances and the infusion of new users, the potential of Lemmy has really been unleashed.
I've been really happy to see it.
Any lemm.ee gang?
I was introduced to lemmy.world thru RIF. Ive been trying to figure it out ever since
Hey dude, berserk!
I chalk it up to the name. Your name is your central piece of branding, and can be used to your advantage. To me, when I wanted to join what I thought would probably be the largest lemmy instance, I didn't look at the stats or rules. I just looked at the names of all the not-tiny ones. This one clearly signified to me that the owner intends to become a very large Instance.
To most people, it will simply sound cool and be very easy to remember. Both of those are very important points.
Look at the automotive industry. Performance is desirable in a vehicle, certainly, but according to the market, does it seem more desirable than looking cool and having enough cup holders?
The goodbye message on RIF pointed to lemmy.world so that's why I'm here.
Sync for Reddit suggested it, so here I am.
Same here!
i checked out three or four instances and this one seemed to have the least amount of bullshit to deal with
For me it was the RIF good bye message, which mentioned lemmy.world.
Same here
in my case I couldn't sign up to ML it just kept timing out. this one didn't.
I heard of Beehaw first but I got rejected twice when trying to make an account, so I tried World next and here I am.
Also don't understand how things work, so wasn't really sure what lemmy.ml was but I read it didn't matter where you created an account so I just stuck with World 🤷
Yeah, I tried to get into beehaw, but then I ended up on infosec.pub, which I really like. Read the rules/intro and decided it sounded like a good and safe place to be.
I found a massive table of all the lemmy instances that allowed me to sort by features that were important to me. Does the community allow up/down voting, does it allow NSFW, does it allow porn? How many communities has it defederated with?
lemmy.world ticked all the boxes that were important to me.
I came here from Apollo for Reddit. There’s a web app called wefwef that is a lemmy client that literally looks and works EXACTLY like Apollo. It even has apollo json import to find similar communities. Anyway, .world is the first server listed in the list so it’s where I registered.
I tried to sign up with Beehaw.org, but for some reason it was taking forever. So I came here and joined. TBH, I'm still getting the hang of this whole lemmy.<whatever> thing. lemmy.world seemed like a good option.
RedditSync app sent me here basically. I don't still understand whether I can log in with the lemmy.ml with the account I have on this lemmy.world.
You can't login on another instance, but you can interact with them from your own instance.
See it as email: I could be using Gmail and you could be using Outlook, but we can still interact with eachother. We cab send emails to eachother. But when I want to send you an email I'm not going to use the Outlook website because you happen to use Outlook. I use Gmail and so my account is on the Gmail servers. So I login on the Gmail website to send you that email.
You can't login, but you can browse the communities of other instances. I'm for example replying you from a different instance than you're on.
At this point I don’t know how I got here and where I’m going and I’m too afraid to ask
I didn’t really know what I was doing, and it sounded the most “official”.
Paradoxal regarding Lemmy.ml is the founder's instance 😁🫠
For me, I was looking at the "All" tab on a different Lemmy instance as I was figuring things out and noticed basically everything was coming from Lemmy.world, so I created an account there to be my main one, for now at least.
I actually started on lemmy.ml but it was always having issues so I went to lemmy.world and had better luck. Not saying lemmy.ml is bad I’m just saying it wasn’t working when I tried!
In before lemmy.ml logins are sold for money
For me, all lemmy.world communities I subscribed was totally blocked on my beehaw.org account, so I create another account on lemmy.world.
Branding. More like the damn instance name. Lemmy.world sounds more... normal or official or whatever
Kinda surprised nobody mentioned this before. Like what is .ml? I've never heard of that. Lemmy.world is a much more approachable name.
Honestly a lot of the lemmy instance names are really bad too.
Like what is .ml?
It's the top level domain of the nation of Mali. But in this case, I've seen it referred to as an abbreviation for "Marxist-Leninist" because those Lemmy admins are Communists.
A bit off topic, but isn't it great? Shows us decentralization is working!
The reason I picked it out of the small list of options I was given when I made my account is because it was the only one I thought I could remember.
I left Beehaw because they defederated from instances where half my communities were at. Ended up on Lemmy world because they had my favorites.
Lemmy.world has a nice ring to it. More ding then dong.
I don't know man, I'm here because shit just works.
I read several guides that suggested .world, that's it.
I am new like most of us. When I signed up I had now idea what an instance was. To me the name Lemmy.world sounded like it was more general and therefore would have more content so I picked that one.
I didn't join lemmy.world, because the way I understand it now, it doesn't matter much which instance you join. Lemmy.world was already under strain when I signed up, so it seemed best to go somewhere less populous. I also made an alt on my native language instance and on the nsfw instance, because you know why.
I did the same too. I liked my current instance's affinity to technology and figured I may as well join a smaller server to avoid the strain of the Reddit exodus.
At the time I signed up Lemmy.World was pretty small, I just wanted an instance that wasn't .ml and had better policies... As it turned out the modlog is very transparent and they were deleting posts critical of the CCP/Russia. So I left and made an account on World.
It seems World was a good choice... Although now that it struggles with the amount of users it seems it might be worth setting an alt up on another instance just to help me out when it gets too busy over here.
Not sure tbh but I do love the Instance I found. Great community it seems and GREAT domain.
Lemmy.tf
Tbh, .world and .social TLDs are just better 🤷♂️
I see a lot of posts about how lemmy.ml admins are deleting any posts critical of Russia & China. Are there any receipts for those claims? I haven't seen any actual proof, just a whole lot of people saying tankie.
If you don't use KBin that's just a login page...
I see a lot of posts about how lemmy.ml admins are deleting any posts critical of Russia & China. Are there any receipts for those claims? I haven’t seen any actual proof, just a whole lot of people saying tankie.
The modlogs show that the moderators there are doing their job. If folks wanna continue uncritically regurgitating NATO propaganda and McCarthyism, they can do it elsewhere. Though I will admit, the irony of thousands of people fleeing a capitalist sinking ship, to a ship built and run by communists, only to then complain about all the communists, is funny.
it was the first instance i found when searching. i think it was a reddit post. so maybe world was more promoted on bigger reddit subs?
Does it matter which server your account is? Asking because I am a NooB. Or nOOb? 🤔🙄
Not really - it only matters if the instance where you have your account (e.g. lemmy.world, in your case) is not federated with another instance (e.g., beehaw.org).
As long as your instances are federated, you'll be able to see everything on the other instance and vice versa.
There are weird states, such as instance A being federated to instance B but B not being federated to A. This means that users on A can see, comment, and (potentially? I think?) create posts for communities on B but no other instance (B, C, or otherwise) can see those comments/posts.
Federated.. instances? I really don't think I should be here
I saw this image the other day and thought I'd save it for confused reddit refugees hehe
That is so much more elegant than I put it lol thank you!
I never realized Mastodon was the same kind of system
Neat
...what
Lol somebody else replied above with this, but I figured you should definitely see it too:
Cause beehaw sucks
A reddit user made a list of alternative services for reddit. The list was .world, .ml and bee. At this point i didn't know it's the same decentralised service. I picked the first one, liked it and made an account after a few days.
I can only speak for myself, but as a complete newbie who wanted to create an account and figure out how lemmy works, I honestly thought lemmy.world is the main site and everything else is just smaller niche communities.
There was an ELI5 post that clarified how it all works, but that was after I created my account.
Yea I made like 4 accounts with .world being the last, because I thought I needed an account for every instance. I'm now learning I don't need to do that.
The question was already answered by others. As a nitpicky side note: Developers have nothing to do with server popularity. They just develop the software on GitHub. This software is then run on all lemmy instances, by admins. Admins can influence instance size, by opening/closing it for registration, through policy and communication. Further down in the hierarchy, the regular users can advertise for their instance.
I went with lemmy.one, did I err?
Honestly, with how fritzy the top few instances have been due to the recent traffic, I'd argue you did the opposite of err.
My favorite subreddit migrated to Lemmy.world so that's how it happened with me.
Ml sounds like short for make love to me, and world is pretty cool domain name.
I'm pretty sure Mental Outlaw helped a lot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBhDWTZDH9c
I've been sitting on the domain lyoko.cloud and now I'm thinking it could be a cool Lemmy instance domain
Yep! I added wefwef to my home screen where Apollo was (still installed but moved to an honoring folder). My workflow and habits are now unchanged and I feel like I’m on reddit, only federated. 🙂
Beehaw isn't as well known in general. It's always the third one mentioned when discussing Lemmy or Kbin.
And Lemmy.ml has been banning people for criticizing China, so...yeah, no one outside of extremist types want to be a part of that.
Beehaw is also... very particular. From what I can tell they want to encourage and magnify the closed-off, echo-chamber part of reddit.
Yeah, when I was looking for a post-redit home I checked out beehaw.
Strike 1: no downvotes
Strike 2: application period to create an account
Strike 3: I read the beehaw mod's "philosophy" posts and I got the general idea of what they were saying, but they just sounded a little... odd. Like they were thinking things through and were going around in circles without really getting anywhere. By contrast, the tildes.net philosophy posts seemed well-thought-out and very readable.
Their application questions are also kinda weird. I was gonna sign up for beehaw and the application really turned me off.
The migration of a certain subreddit I followed over here led me to this instance so here I am.
I switched to this instance, because lemmy.ml was just too laggy. Also I use mastodon.world so I knew it's a good instance.
It might be completely false but i read that there were many tankies on other instances. One thing that got in the way of competitors in the past was the high number of extreme right wing people. My take is that people would rather not associate with either.
I wanted an instance that was popular but not #1 to avoid slowdowns. Chose lemmy.world. Now it's most popular...made an account on thelemmy.club today
I switched to this instance, because lemmy.ml was just too laggy. Also I use mastodon.world so I knew it's a good instance.
For me it was the fact I kept mistyping the url as lm instead of .ml You know, LeMmy dot LM After nth time making this mistake, I decided to switch to something easier to remember.
I joined .world because there were c/hopeposting
@gylotip meanwhile I'm just sitting over on kbin.social, eating popcorn and watching the lemmy instances rant at each other. Come to the dark side - we have kookies!
When I signed up, lemmy.ml had a lot of technical problems, and the registration wouldn't go through (endless loading circle) so I just signed up on Lemmy.world. I can imagine a lot of people doing the same.
Saw a comment by the apollo dev advertising Lemme world on reddit. made the jump then.
Neither really want more users and they've been around longer to establish a community.
I already see a lot of slang bullying on these instances that claim to be inclusive. It's just like reddit forming the karen meme during thier anti bullying campaign.
To be fair, "karen" actually started as slang in the US Black community, describing a white woman who deludes herself into thinking a normal Black person just existing in her vicinity is somehow a mortal threat to her and calls the cops on them.
But yeah, like pretty much every slang term invented by Black people to discuss racism that hits the mainstream, it got misused over and over until it lost all its original meaning. Nowadays, it basically means "a middle-aged woman does something I personally find annoying (including just existing in my vicinity)".