well what if people became aware/educated and the tables turned?

I'm basing my argument on how the world is, not how the world should be

As for your claim that we should all just be happy with government mandated surveillance

I never made that claim. What the hell are you talking about?! Your whole comment is just the rambles of a mad man

my argument is that requiring ID for the Internet is really really really fucking stupid

How is that argument at all related to this conversation or the bill? What are you talking about? If this bill passes you will not require ID to user the Internet in Canada. Have you read the bill?

Is that seriously your argument? If you're on commercial social media you're already under horrific mass surveillance. Is that you Zuck?

This will lead to one thing. Mass surveillance. Worse than it already is.

I'm sick of this stupid argument. If you're on commercial social media you're already under mass surveillance FFS 🤦‍♂️ And if you're arguing that now the government will have access to this data, they already do! Social media platforms already know how old you are, they even know when you're taking a shit. It's just not beneficial for them to take any actions to restrict kids from using their platforms because they need the next generation of addicted users.

Kids need parents that dont give them phones and let them browse the internet freely.

Commercial social media platform are multi billion dollar companies that have built some of the most sophisticated AI/ML algorithms to get people addicted to their platforms. Do you really think the average parent has a chance here? Then consider the network affect. If most of the kids at school are socializing online on these platforms then restricting your child's access limits their socializing. Social media access for kids needs to be limited by governments.

Should we require ID to buy kitchen knives too?

I don't think that would be effective at reducing access for minors given knives are readily available in most kitchens.

Have you read this bill? Are you sure your opinions haven't been manipulated by social media companies that have lobbied hard and flown influencers around to speak on their behalf?

That would be a good option if the social networks didn't have a long history of acting in bad faith. I think it would be an up hill battle. This seems like a reasonable response

Unpopular opinion but I support the intent of this bill. Kids shouldn't be exposed to algorithmic content. As it's currently written it looks to be limited to platforms with a certain threshold of users. Which might actually encourage fediverse growth. Any slippery slop argument is silly and just benefits Zuck and friends.

With the rowers bumping in to each other with each stroke

Life bites lazy people in the arse. They will have some short term wins but plateau. But honestly, if they're just there for the piece of paper then I think you're going to struggle to change their minds. Why do you want to convince them to change? And what is your school doing to curb brain rot AI usage?

I do this for my 4yo