There are better things to do than argue with accelerationists.

Sorry for living in your head rent free

Whatever makes you feel better

You’re playing semantic games to avoid believing/saying that you’re supporting fascism

I don't think it's semantics, I think there is a very clear distinction.

There is no “voting against” only “voting for” (in this context, obviously- for the presidential race)

I disagree, when only 1 of 2 outcomes are possible, choosing the preferable one is not a complete endorsement of everything they represent.

but I don’t believe there is a “right” or “wrong” with this

Why not? If you value harming less people, how is the "right" choice not the one that harms less people?

I enjoy these kinds of discussions as thought experiments, but there’s a time & place for it (and this thread isn’t it, imo)

It's not a thought experiment though, it's the possible outcomes of the election: D or R.

abstaining and voting third party are both valid options

Not if you want to actually influence the outcome. See, you're engaging in thought experiments, I'm talking very pragmatically.

Other people, like myself, prioritize long-term consequences, principles, etc. over immediate consequences.

Long term consequences such as what a worse administration could do for 4 years? Like all the climate goals that got immediately revoked, is that long term enough? There is a long term impact to letting the greater evil win. How are Republicans better in the long term?

but it’s dishonest to try to absolve yourself of culpability with semantics.

Well at least we can agree on that. Abstaining and voting third party are objectively valid options, as in you are not literally forced to pick between only D and R, but that's semantics, because there are only two outcomes.

I think if your "principles" include less bad things happening, they wouldn't prevent you from choosing the less bad outcome. It seems to me like your principles are more about purity

I believe that, under capitalism, money is power.

Yeah

I believe that the more money you have, the easier it is to make more money.

Yeah

I believe that almost anyone with any power would be willing to use that power to benefit themselves.

I guess? Seems kinda vague, like yeah people will do what they can for their own self interest, but there are exceptions and limits I think.

I believe that both mainstream political parties in the US have been nearly completely captured by the extremely wealthy.

Yeah, but I think change is possible, and even barring change, sometimes enough pressure can move them on certain issues.

I believe that the mainstream media serve the interests of the extremely wealthy.

Generally yeah

I believe that the extremely wealthy have an outsized influence over independent media and social media platforms.

Yeah

I believe that the extremely wealthy generally prefer fascism to socialism, because socialism threatens their class interests (i.e. their ability to accumulate and hoard wealth, and therefore power)

Yeah

If you try your best to tell the truth instead of lying

Now see, that doesn't seem like such a nice-guy good faith thing to say. I haven't been lying, and I don't appreciate you purporting that.

But okay, sure, I mean I wish we could have started with "hold back on personal attacks, don’t misrepresent my positions, or strawman my arguments," don't know why that wasn't an option, but let's go.

what do you do for work?

Unskilled labor, retail. That's it. There are thousands of different jobs in different industries that are largely identical to mine, because I deal with customers. No, we don't have a union.

after you honey

Okay good, now we're getting somewhere. Personally, I don't think choosing the lesser evil is "supporting fascism," because it directly serves to keep the more fascist party out of office. Is less suffering, even in the short term, not worth choosing the fascist that hurts less people? Because if both options are fascist, then your only options in the system are "supporting fascists."

I'm not discounting extra-electoral action, in fact I advocate for it, but in the capacity of an election choosing the lesser evil is the pragmatic choice. Please, please share your long term harm reduction plans, I'd love to have better people to vote for, but right now it's D and R.

Sorry I don't apologize to facsists. The only good nazi is a dead one