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I agree with your re-licensing analogy, with one caveat, which is that the existence of a rug-pull project might encourage people who would otherwise contribute to more firm-footed, community-driven projects to essentially waste their time on a dead-end project that won't last. Since every time a project dies, there's wasted effort that could have gone into building something long-lasting, I think our collective time is limited and we should be building up projects that last so that we can move onto freeing up other bits of the stack.

That said, I recognise this is a relatively weak argument, because there's so much duplication of effort anyway - everyone wants something slightly different so there are many duplicated projects, there's benefit to exploring all sorts of different avenues even if they don't work out, and ultimately this is a hobby and people have to work on whatever they want.

I also agree that a license assignment CLA is not necessarily indicative of a rug pull by itself (although it can warrant further investigation, and there is a pattern of people using it in this negative way, against the wishes of the community). I guess it comes down to people's intentions and trust at the end of the day. A project I work on recently also switched license. For us it was permissive to GPL - there was no requirement for them to ask permission - but they still did check with everyone with more than a couple of lines of contributions because it was important for them to get consent. I know SFC for instance lets you assign your copyright to them to help with enforcement, but in a revocable way, so if you don't like what they're doing, you can always take it back.

I think to some degree I'm quite jaded and cynical, because I've seen this happen so many times, especially with more glossy and centrally driven projects. I'm drawn to free software because I don't like abuse of power and to me this is a solution to that in the tech world. So whenever I see a power imbalance here, I react strongly against it even if in some circumstances it wouldn't be abused.

I don't like it when projects do this because it creates a power imbalance and it is typically used by people who want to do rug pulls and other shenanigans. Often it is used by companies to work against free software by creating a big community around a project, getting mind-share and then transitioning to source-available or proprietary.

I don't like to contribute to those projects because it makes me feel like I'm doing unpaid work to build up their business. If they are the only significant contributor to a project (which is often the case), if they divert resources away from the freely available repo, then the project dies and my contributions are for nothing.

Meanwhile, AGPL without a CLA makes me feel that we are contributing to a public good where everyone is entering into the relationship on equal terms. It feels like more of a gift to society.

Don't get me wrong - I think that people have a right to do AGPL + CLA in the same way as they have a right to write proprietary software. It's their code, free time and their choice. But, I also have a right to feel sad about that and voice that sadness and call them out by it. I have been jaded too many times by companies who use this precise mechanism to build their business and then do a rug pull. They are not doing this to further the free software movement, they are co-opting it for their own needs.

You are right that I could fork the project, but then I have to take on the maintenance burden of continually rebasing my contributions and dealing with conflicts when they arise. If the project goes fully closed source or source available, I have to take on the maintenance burden myself. I would rather contribute to a project where there is no such risk and where I believe that we are contributing towards the same goal.

That's great news! They didn't (forgot to?) remove it from the LICENSING.md file, which is still there on refactor. Hopefully they'll remove it from there to prevent this kind of misunderstanding.

They use the classic AGPL + license assignment CLA combo.

This lets them relicense community contributions however they want, including making them proprietary. Everyone has to abide by the AGPL terms, apart from them. This puts them in a privileged position compared to the rest of the community, which I don't like.

Edit: @artyom@piefed.social pointed to a commit that removes the CLA from many places in the repo. They didn't (forgot to?) remove it from the LICENSING.md file, which is where I found the requirement when digging around the repository.

When I saw the requirement in LICENSING.md, I took that at face value. I think that was a fair assumption to make, but I'm still sorry that I got it wrong, especially as this became the top comment.

I'm really enjoying Amy being a contestant on the show! Her approach to the railroad question was genius and I think her minigame trying to get info out of Sam is a really funny idea, especially since she can't ask him directly and he doesn't know.

Despite the disclaimer video, which was quite funny, I still feel a bit icky about Canada being presented on the same level as the state cards. I don't think any ill will was meant by it, but I still didn't like having to take a second and work out how I felt about them doing it. I think I reacted against it because it took me out of the relaxed state of mind I'm normally in when I watch the show. I haven't listened to the podcast yet, so maybe there is more discussion there.

The original poster mentioned a list of shows they'd already seen in the description, which included QI.

How about radio shows? The unbelievable truth, just a minute, I'm sorry I haven't a clue are all good. Slightly different vibe than the tv ones, but good nonetheless. They're all available as podcasts.