Whats the worst that could happen?
2y 4mon ago by lemmy.world/u/Agent641 in comicstrips
Nothing wrong at approaching somone you like, introducing yourself and asking them out.
One tip.... don't use the words sexual harassment in the first sentance when meeting somone....
It's not awesome to ask someone out when they're working, but it's not harassment unless it's repeated.
Right, and while at work hahaha. Could you go up to anyone who looks less receptive? What is this comic, just ragebait?
I mean, no, it isn’t. It is if she says no and you keep at it.
No, it is.
Simply asking someone for their number is not harassment.
Repeatedly asking for someone’s number after being told no is.
There isn’t any nuance to this situation.
Telling someone they're beautiful when they think you're gross is creepy/harassment.
It's okay to talk to women if you're a male model but stay the fuck away if you aren't. Got it.
Or a female model. I'm certainly not here to discourage lesbians!
"Saying 'hey, beautiful' to someone who thinks you're ugly? Straight to jail. We have the hottest husbands in the world, because of jail"
You realize this comic was meant to be satirical, right?
Reminds me of Sexual Harassment and You
"when they think you're gross"
How can I know if someone thinks I'm gross if I haven't spoken to them yet? I should just assume I'm gross, always?
Usually when they get the torches out and organize the rest of the angry villagers I know that they don't think highly of me.
That's the fun part, you can't. Don't assume they think you're gross, but do remember that you don't know what they think.
Wrong, incel.
Or 3rd wave femanist. Hard to tell the difference sometimes 🤔
(For examples, head over to TwoXChromosones for nearly identical hot takes as the commenter above yours)
So basically dateing is just Russian roulette with extra steps.
But if I tell them they're beautiful and it turns out they think I'm gross I could go to prison for harassment! Am I really just supposed to roll the dice like that?
Harassment isn't a crime, so you're probably safe from prison.
Oh, you're right! I'll only get sued and probably lose my job. That makes it okay then.
But just to think that none of that would have happened of someone sexier than I was had done the exact same things I had done!
Thats how you go through life as a virgin.
That's pretty warped.
Woman has dead pan expression and looking into the middle distance. Quindraco: "awww she thinks i'm hideous"
Hahaha
Correct, but you won't know if they think you're gross until you talk to them. If you see that they think you're gross, you stop. It's harassment when you see that they think you're gross but continue talking to them anyway, because at that point you know they aren't going to respond well to you, and you're just continuing on to spite them.
I ponder if people are comfortable expressing to someone they just meet that they find them gross? Hmm
My point is there often is nothing to see because that's actively attempting to be hidden. Good normal decent people don't like the feeling of giving people bad news already but when it's bad news about something so personal and also recognizing that not everyone gets dealt the best hand in life?
It's insane to put the entirety of responsibility to "read the room" on one person even if they are the initiator.
This is where social contract comes in. We all need a new modern social contract we can agree on to help us remove these barriers of interaction.
But i guess that's the point of these types of works is to bring attention to that situation. It's a valid observation i think, commentary on it aside for now
Well, if you're actively trying to hide your disgust from someone, it's because you don't want them to know, at which point you obviously can't expect them to react to it. Ultimately, it's not about you trying to divine someone's real feelings, instead it's about reacting to what they do show you. It's the responsibility of everyone who interacts with others in a public space to be knowledgeable about both verbal and nonverbal cues that someone's not interested, so that they can display and/or recognize them as required.
As far as i can tell we said the same thing. I will admit i have a hard time figuring our how to explain what im thinking so im not attempting to blame anyone here
It's the responsibility of everyone who interacts with others in a public space to be knowledgeable about both verbal and nonverbal cues that someone's not interested, so that they can display and/or recognize them as required.
This is part of what i envision a new modern social contract would take care of
We have similar points, but I'm saying that it's already the current social contract. Both parties are expected to respectfully respond to the others' cues. Different people have an easier or harder time learning these cues, but there's not really an excuse - we all have to work hard enough to get to the point where we can function socially in the community. Now, as is the case with any contract, there are going to be people who ignore it for their own benefit, not caring about how that affects others; such behavior generally qualifies as harassment.
I don't see that as a new social contract though. That's the one we have now
I'm proposing we come together to recognize a modern idea of what a social contract should be today.
It's needs to be written, discussed, revised and ultimately accepted.
It seems to me not enough people acknowledges that this is even a thing at all. Cynical a that may be. We are talking about something similar it seems. Sorry I'm not the best at running down my thoughts. But i do appreciate you responding!
Different people have an easier or harder time learning these cues, but there's not really an excuse - we all have to work hard enough to get to the point where we can function socially in the community
This is important to figure out. But it's also why i see what we currently have as obsolete and not inclusive of our modern times.
We do not often compensate for people who don't have the same advantages and opportunity to figure out those cues. Even when it is acknowledged. There are excuses i can accept for not figuring out on your own these cues. This is why i think the idea of a social contract needs more attention.
And i could accept that the need for something new doesn't exist, maybe. Ill concede that my mind isn't settled in this yet in in spite of already holding a form opinion already. But not without at least everyone being educated about it as much as you and i seem to be, flawed as that may or may not be. At least enough that no one can claim ignorance of it, and also be responsible for their own actions and decisions
We're simply never going to codify the social contract. Not only is it incredibly complex and situational, it's also constantly changing - something that's acceptable today might very well be seen as unacceptable in just a few years. The contract isn't - nor should it be - pinned down; it's just made up of any given community's current feelings of what's acceptable and what's not. People's feelings toward social interactions shift far too quickly for bureaucracy to keep up. It's disappointing that it means some people will constantly be playing catch-up if they're not able to easily and inherently understand the current contract, but even if we wrote out some "rules" that people were meant to follow, they wouldn't.
That's the thing about the current social contract - people only generally follow the rules now because they make inherent sense that comes naturally to them, which is why we have the problem of people not following them if they personally feel like they don't make sense. However, if we tried to force it, all we'd get is even fewer people following the contract - unless you wanted to put actual laws in place to punish those who don't, but then you're getting into some shady governmental practices. It's generally better to let society itself deal with those ne'er-do-wells, shunning them into either compliance or exile, like this comic is helping to do.
Our current social contract isn't great, but I don't honestly believe there is a better way of getting 8 billion people to functionally interact with one another.
Sorry my bad.
I meant it needs to be written down again in a similar way that Hobbes Locke and Rousseau did once before.
We need enough people to be thinking about it with fresh eyes of this modern world.
You are absolutely correct it cant be codified like it's a set of rules or something.
I just believe that if there is a critical mass of people re-evaluating the concept, either because the world has changed enough that in a large part due to modern technology having got to a point we are invested online often more than offline.
And going back to what you were saying, different people will have a different experience so they will not have the same needs or considerations. I think this connection to ground level communities almost anywhere in the world means we need to update our tools to understand our place and the consquences of our actions.
And it's an amazing accomplishment. But we need to keep it amazing by his we choose to use it and what we want to do with it and the people we cross here.
Ah, I get what you're saying now. Yeah, we definitely need more people thinking about how we interact as a community, especially considering how well-connected we are these days. Whether or not any individual would really be able to have a significant impact on society as a whole is unclear, but at the very least having ideas for how we can process all of the information that we're now being bombarded with would be good for combating our ongoing mental health crisis.
Congrats, you've won the 'Dumbest person of the Week' award.
I hope you just have a feminine sounding name and you're not a real life woman with this opinion.
Oooo are we gendering usernames now? Do mine!
Garbage is definitely masculine and bagel is pretty neutral and taking into account everyone online is a guy, definitely a guy.
No, no, no. See, your typical garbage bag has some smush to it, and a bagel has a hole! If we put these facts together, we can surmise that OP 3.0 is actually an earthworm with one of its ends sewed shut!
...I don't know anything about an earthworm's sex, so I'm going to go with it being a neutral.
No, it isn't.
If there was a frame of her saying no, but then he doesn't leave her alone, then sure.
Quiet, incel.
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So you think it's 100% cool to walk up to someone at work and start hitting on them?
It might not be cool, but it's not sexual harassment, or illegal.
Sexual harassment isn't a crime, and hitting on a coworker is textbook sexual harassment. You should probably talk to HR before you get yourself fired.
No one said anything about coworkers.
Depends on how you do it. The way it's portrayed here is weird, because they use the "is it sexual harassment..." phrase and kinda belittle the problem of sexual harassment within society. Makes me think he's an avid Andrew Tate fanboy. So it'd be an instant "thx goodbye" from me.
But if you just take the rest.. I don't think it's harassment if you drop an honest compliment and ask for someone's number.
Although the officer is "working" they are in public
Probably the most pathetic cartoon I've ever been shown. Author needs real world experiences.
Yeah, it seems as if it was created by a "nice guy" incel. I don't get it.
Did not get that impression at all. To me it seems like basically the same thing as the "What have you done, Billy?" and "dumbest man alive" memes. Something relatably annoying followed by a hyperbolic "haha if only" response.
Not following. We're laughing at the comic, right? It's a funny situation.
Or is the author some creep?
Harassment is continuing once being told "no." There are a few frames missing from that comic for it to count as harassment.
It would seem the author is conflating sexual harassment with random flirting with women. It also sends the message that the author thinks it should be okay to flirt with random women as they go about their day/job, which is inappropriate, creepy, and annoying. He should probably try treating women like humans and develop a healthier sense of boundaries. He might have better luck.
The male character is a creep
Agreed. Put him in the pile with rock throw guy.
Don't flirt with people when they're working. It's gross and predatory because they're basically a captive audience.
Men is too headache
We really is.
So real
They don’t think it be like it is, but it do
Unless I'm missing an entire frame, this seems extremely unreasonable, likely illegal, even if that guy is a douche.
She's a cop, you think they need a legit reason to arrest someone?
Sigh. I'll go get the bootlicker insult ready.
Ooh Lemmy checklist
✔️ Cops bad [ ] Capitalism bad [ ] Windows OS bad
Ooh Lemmy checklist
✔️ Cops bad [ ] Capitalism bad [ ] Windows OS bad
Thought that dumb meme was supposed to be bingo-based.
Once you punch all the holes you get a free attack of your character!
She is not a cop, she is a drawing, everything else is in your mind. Imagine arguing against Mona Lisa.
I just won 😎
All I'm saying is the amount of projecting in this comment section is staggering.
I was purely bantering off your last sentence tbh
The funny part is this comic pits misogynist douche against fascist enforcer.
Reminds me of how some communities in hick ass northern California came out in support BLM, because while they may hate black people, they hate cops even more.
Is it? Seems like a Tumblr joke at best.
Bad jokes and ones that bomb are written everyday. Still can be an attempt at a joke
That's not sexual harassment, but it is abuse of power lol
Abuse of power for a random guy at the DMV to ask out a cop?
I mean... maybe don't get 2.5 inches away from her face while rubbing your chest up against her shoulder?
Probably best not to club her on the head and drag her back to your cave either - at least, not without prior consent :-P.
I can't afford a cave.
Sigh... yeah.:-(
Romance is fucking dead and wokeness killed it
/s (obviously)
Dang this comment section is depressing.
Welcome to lemmy. It's all basement dwelling dudes.
Hey! I'm in my aunt's living room!
That's not true! My basement flooded.
Fact
I smiled at her by the photocopier. Now I'm facing chemical castration.
It is the DMV. Pretty sure anyone smiling at the DMV is a psychopath.
I like my version better.
Failed rizz. 😔
Maybe don’t have your erect penis pressing against them when you ask?
Dude, the penis isn't drawn, so we can't tell how long it is, but if they somehow manage to press their penis against the cop from where they stand, that has got to be at least twice the current (alleged) world record...
I would say this is likely physically impossible.
It’s a joke. You really put some research into a comment reply to a fucking joke comment. Bravo
That was a literal 1 minute internet search. I would not call that "research", really... The standards are low enough as it is, so maybe let's not drag them down any further.
Guys... its a fuckin joke... you're reading into this comic too much
Except it's becoming what a lot of people want. Jokes that hit too close to the sad truth aren't funny, or interesting, or anything.
See? Right in these fucking comments. LMAO!
Again, the strip is a joke, and you and the person you are screen capping are taking it too seriously. Buddy hits on a cop terribly, buddy ends up in jail.... thats the joke
well, is it?
Telling her she's beautiful and asking for her phone number once is not sexual harassment. Continuing to do so after she has made it clear she isn't interested is.
However, it does look like he's either looming over her or about to put his arm around her. That's definitely not ok.
He is standing side-on to the officer, one hand presumably resting against some surface (a wall) and the other hand on his hip.
And is pretty uncomfortably close, for an initial unsolicited introduction
If you think that combination of body language and proximity is acceptable when speaking to someone for the first time you're mistaken. It comes across as Intimidating. Respect people's personal space.
there might be a case if you could convince a court that by stating "is it X if I..." you are aware that the actions could potentially construe X.
Everything can possibly be construed as X.
I still call it Twitter.
Technically, no. However, when an officer is at their post in uniform, interfering with their work is a punishable offence.
No, they just take their BDSM roleplay really seriously.
The last two people who said no got downvoted to the negatives so I’ll say maybe and see if I can stay at 0.
I feel like a yes also gets downvoted, so you won the game nj
It's not, but when she rejected him he hit her. That's why he got arrested.
I don't seem to see that panel. I only see the one where he got instantly angry and called her names.
Actually it's missing a lot of panels. She is interested and they date for 3 years before getting married. But then things turn sour after 4 more years, 2 kids, and both of them falling out of love, and she made up stories so that her colleagues ended up arresting him to gain an advantage in the custody battle. You can tell this from the way he's holding his head in the last panel.