The community has voted, please now go go television@lemm.ee
1y 3mon ago by lemm.ee/u/BoozeOrWater in moviesandtv@lemm.ee
Hey, please not that it's against lemmy.world TOS (and probably against the TOS'es of some other instances) to automatically send messages to all people who interected with your community. So if you are planning to do this when moving a community, please don't.
Hey,
Wait a sec, how is that against the ToS? We did a while ago on https://lemmy.world/post/24312613and did not get any issue
“I did it before” is not a valid argument for something not being against TOS.
It breaks rule 3 and 5.1 of the Lemmy.world TOS.
I clarified it on the Lemmy Defense matrix channel since then. I'll try to get this added as a feature, be it on Lemmy or Piefed, let's see how it goes.
Yea that would be great (:
Something can violate TOS but go unnoticed.
I now know why it is against ToS. It confused me when I got the notification. I never get a mention usually on Lemmy.
Don't you get a notification when people reply to one of your comments?
Not a mention, just a notification. I got a mention. I am on jerboa and boost for Lemmy btw.
Sweet. I wonder if I can spam everyone on this list with just one reply.
You can't. You have to @ everyone in a reply to do that.
Replying to the actual comment would have been a start too. Damn decaf coffee. Evil stuff.
People will scroll up and see the can anyway 😄
Well. We got Eggs, bacon, spam and spam, not very much spam in that!
General Kenobi
Eloquent.
A pinned post works wonders.
Not this nonsense.
How exactly does it work wonders? It never shows up in the feeds of people
I have no problem seeing pinned posts.
Most people won't see a pinned post if they're not actively browsing that instance at the time. Sure, some will, but not many depending on the community size.
A pinned post can be unnoticed by a large amount of people.
Sorry for the one notification, but at least now we're sure everyone who interacted with this community is aware of the move.
That makes no sense. The decision to close this community was made in a pinned post. If that's not enough engagement the community shouldn't have been closed.
Well movies and TV was dead anyway, but it had (has) 2.5k subscribers. There's no way to actually gather up enough of those people at all without some kind of mass ping. Which would annoy people all the same.
Either that's enough engagement so that's what they should have done instead of spam thousands of accounts or it's not enough engagement and they have no reason to spam thousands of accounts. You can't just decide to start spamming because you want more users in your new community.
It's done now. It was just supposed to be pinging those who weren't aware, but had previously interacted on here. It can't scrape subscribers, so can only go by comments on here.
You've just described spam. Mass unsolicited messaging.
There's no native way to inform people here of community migration at scale. It's just a notification that is somewhat targeted.
This is an awful argument. Your justification for spamming is that there was no other way for you to spam people except by spamming them. People who think everyone has to listen to their important message are spammers. You think like a spammer and you support spamming. The fact that you agree with the content of the spam doesn't change that it was spam. Clearly the new community is very important to you and you post a lot there, but we're not all you, ffs. Have some perspective and respect other people's preferences.
I don't consider a one-off targeted notification as spam. You don't have to "listen" to anything. You can just click 'x'.
When did I say you have to subscribe and follow this community?
It was sent only to people who had interacted on here. Ideally it'd have done subscribers, but that's not possible.
Better yet, lemmy would have a migration system. But that to be fair, is probably not a development priority.
Well it was a great way to put yourself on my shitlist.
Imagine you worked in a big company, and one day eight months ago the marketing team had a meeting where they were playing a new promotional video loud and you stuck your head round the door and watched to the end of the 1-minute ad, stuck your thumbs up, said "good ad" and left. Then this week, you get an email saying they'd gone through the CCTV footage and found that you'd been in a marketing meeting in the past, so because the marketing team had decided to change the branding, and that everyone who contributed in any way to marketing discussions should be on board, you personally should start attending marketing meetings every Thursday morning at 9:15 to help steer the new vision, and vote on new ads every week. You would be pissed off.
Please do not assume that everyone who ever made a drive-by comment on one of your posts that reached the front page is someone who wants to subscribe to your new community, and absolutely don't come in my inbox to instruct me to go to a community based on the authority of some vote I wasn't in. I wasn't the one making your community lively, it was the people creating engaging posts.
You complain that people wouldn't see your pinned post? Well, it doesn't matter to anyone except people who were going to post. You don't move a community by moving the commenters, you move a community by moving the new posts. Put it in the sidebar, put it in a pinned post, put it in the title of the community (like you have), just above the button you have to press to post. If your post creators move to your new community, great, and if they continue to post great stuff that gets random lemmings like me to comment on something interesting, even greater, but it's absolutely not OK to spam everyone to tell them to go subscribe.
You're not in charge of non-subscribers in any way, and the only authority you have to grab my attention is good content that people engage with.
If you build it, they will come. This is not building it, this is just spam.
It's really really hard to resist the urge to go to the new community and block it. In your understandable desire to build the new community, you have incomprehensibly tried to force people to do what you want. You're not my boss. I just commented a couple of times. Look up Aesop's fable about the wind and the sun.
If I were an admin, I would with no hesitation whatsoever be perma-banning the bot account and temp-banning the humans involved in the decision too.
Spam: don't do it. How on earth would you possibly not realise this was spam? What on earth made you think it was OK to spam everyone who ever interacted even slightly? Why do mods think they're in charge of users choices?
100% agreement.
Having automation that requires real human time to deal with, that's spam. If a human had sent each one of those messages, I wouldn't like it, but it wouldn't be spam. At least there's parity, a human created a message for human. But now we have automation, a bot if you like, creating messages for humans. That's spam. No matter how well-intentioned that spam is, it's still spam
The part that kills me is that it's spam from your grandma that uses CC: instead of BCC:
How on earth would you possibly not realise this was spam?
For context, the previous experience was https://lemmy.world/post/24312613
Feedback there was
thanks, I’m sure I only shitposted one time here about football’s cultural atmosphere or game theory/sportsmanship in general.
Thank you for the heads up folks
As a lemm.ee user myself, I approve of this.
I saw the automod tag everybody, and that’s a really nice solution you’ve come up with
Sorry, we're discussing how to handle this better next time, there's a thread on fedigrow@lemm.ee about this.
First off, there isn't a really bot involved, it's a simple script that collects a list of people that have interacted with the community in the last year as there isn't a way to get the subscription list. Second of all, the tagging only notifies, there isn't any command or authoritative language included in the message. The mods weren't even involved in this instance by the looks of it, I'm not sure by what angle you view the ping as authoritative.
It was also a single ping, not some repeating message that spammed you multiple times.
Spam is unsolicited messages sent to large numbers of users who didn't sign up to receive the messages. You get a lot of it only because a lot of people think their message is more important than your subscription preferences. That's exactly what you did here, and you pasted thousands of user addresses to achieve it.
Another reason that you have a lot of spam is that the people who know how to spam offer their skills to people that want to spam. That's you. A third reason that you have a lot of spam is that spammers who think their message is more important than other people's preferences, and that's you as well: here you are, arguing with people who didn't like your spam.
Everyone involved in this mass spam is completely unrepentant and you all sound like you'd do it again in a heartbeat if you had another important message you wanted to share.
There IS a facility on Lemmy for Important messages that all community members should read - it's called pinned posts. There ISN'T a facility for mods to put stuff in the inboxes of thousands of users, subscribed or not (which is why you had to scrape data and paste it), and the reason is that there isn't is that mods SHOULDN'T be able to message everyone who interacted with their community - their community is the correct place for that.
Frankly, when you next find yourself pasting thousands of usernames to send a mass message in the future, I want you to think "This is spam. I should not spam. Spamming thousands of people makes people cross. I should not annoy thousands of people, even slightly, even if I think it's important. I should not spam thousands or even hundreds of users. This is not the way to get my message accepted. This pisses people off. I should respect these people more than this. I should put a notice up where people can read it if they care and I should not try to force people to care by spamming them."
Did you ever have someone email hundreds of people at your organisation with something that was important to them but wasn't to most people? And then someone presses reply-all and says "I don't want to be on this list". That's the world of behavior you're in. Stop it.
You're blowing this out of proportions, and again, this doesn't have anything to do with the mods, if you're going to reply to my message, at least read it first.
You're also making a bunch of wrong accusations. This was a community migration, you got pinged because you have interacted with the community. I was asked to help notify people of the migration, this isn't something regular that clogs up people's inboxes. You gotten one (1) ping from the script, your replies have taken 10x the amount of time the ping did.
I don't know which bit of your message you think I didn't read. I think you misinterpret my disagreement as lack of comprehension.
We disagree about what spam is - you seem to think that spam is by its nature repetitive, whereas I think that spam is by its nature unsolicited and unwelcome, using addresses scraped from something that isn't an opt-in list. This isn't because I didn't read your statement that you only sent one unwelcome and unsolicited inbox message, it's because you think it was OK to do it and no big deal and I think it was absolutely not OK to do it, that you should have realised that pinging thousands and thousands of users who ever commented might piss some of them off and that you should have realised that this is EXACTLY what spammers do.
We disagree about how annoying it is or isn't to be told/asked to do something we have no interest in doing by a group of tens of people who decided that thousands of other people should do something. It's OK for you to not be pissed off by that, but telling me that I'm wrong to be irritated by that because "you" lack the authority to tell me what to do comes incredibly close to seeing the point whilst missing it entirely. "You're wrong on a technicality" isn't a great way of responding to someone who finds something you or your friends did irritating.
I was factually incorrect that you're all mods of the new community, only one of you is. But again, arguing that I'm wrong about who did this isn't a great way of winning the argument you're having about whether it's annoying or not, and isn't a great way of making me less pissed off. In fact I was usually using the word mod simply because this is the sort of message that a mod should just pin at the top of their community.
You’re also making a bunch of wrong accusations.
I made precisely two accusations in that post:
(1) Like other spammers, you thought that your message was more important than people's subscription preferences, so you did just like them and sent unwelcome unsolicited messages using scraped messages.
I stand by that accusation and I don't see how you can honestly deny it, even if you disagree about my use of the word spam to describe it.
(2) Everyone involved in this mass spam is completely unrepentant and you all sound like you’d do it again in a heartbeat if you had another important message you wanted to share.
You all still are arguing rather than apologising, so I stand by this accusation too. (You're not even using the politician's non-apology "I'm sorry if some of you feel upset".)
this isn’t something regular that clogs up people’s inboxes.
Never claimed it was regular, never claimed people's inboxes were currently clogged up, but I'm telling you this: if every pinned post on every community that I ever commented in this year was an inbox message, my inbox would be in a similar spam-to-useful ratio as my email inboxes are. The only reason people aren't complaining about all the spam in their inboxes on lemmy is that afaik, it only ever happened twice, almost no one does it. If everyone on lemmy behaved like you, our inboxes would all be flooded with spam. This should be a strong hint to you that you are the double start of something terrible that I want to not happen to lemmy. I imagine you'll want to claim that this was an important message because it was a migration message, but again I need you to hear that you don't get to decide what's important to me, you just pin the message on your community like everyone else that thinks they have an important message does.
You’re blowing this out of proportions
You all are crap at apologising and all keep arguing with people that are cross with you already, trying to explain that they're factually incorrect and therefore have no right to be cross. How did you think that was going to calm folks down?
It's like you all took a course in conflict de-escalation and chose to do the opposite.
With all due respect, by "people" it's just you. Yeah, some others in here have expressed discontent at this but they did it with a single comment, or moved on by now. Out of however many were actually pinged, it's probably not a notable amount of the overall.
I'd like to add that despite me not really seeing this as an issue, I didn't actually set this up. I was aware of it possibly happening, and saw no problem with it (I didn't know how it would look when/if it did happen - it could've been done via DM for all I knew). But that goes my involvement in it. And no, the instance of "community completely changing url and moving" is practically the only instance in which I would ever not mind or support something like this, so it won't be happening for just any future or hypothetical pinned post.
It's not just me you're disagreeing with.
Sure, you're not the only one. But I would suspect most people didn't care.
I think you misinterpret my disagreement as lack of comprehension.
No, I'm referencing you mixing the moderators into this when I've told you they got nothing to do with it. I'm literally trying to take the full responsibility for this instead passing it off to the moderators.
It’s like you all took a course in conflict de-escalation and chose to do the opposite.
I prefer honesty and dialogue over the corporate spiel. Sharing my view points and getting counter arguments is how you learn about people opinions beyond the their rage comments. I've already said sorry to the lemmy.world administrators that contacted me about the issue and have no problem saying that in this instance, the pinging was a mistake. I've also told you that it wont happen to your instance again as I've spoken to one of your admins.
(You’re not even using the politician’s non-apology “I’m sorry if some of you feel upset”.)
Do you want that sort of thing? You make it sound like I'm wrong for engaging with people who disagreed with the pinging instead of passing off some fake apology and not engage further.
I made precisely two accusations in that post:
(1) Like other spammers,you thought that your message was more important than people’s subscription preferences
Yes, that is a wrongful accusation. I only wanted to help someone who asked for help with their migration. I do not think my message is more important than other. Pinging does not suppress other people's messages. Everyone can ping, it's built in feature meant to be used. Just because you disagree with the usage, doesn't make your unrelated accusation true.
(2) Everyone involved in this mass spam is completely unrepentant and you all sound like you’d do it again in a heartbeat if you had another important message you wanted to share.
This is also completely wrong. Blaze have said sorry in multiple comments, one of those comments were even a reply to you, so I really do not appreciate you falsely accusing him of something that is provably false. I've also made it clear in multiple comments that this wasn't the intended outcome of the action, and that the notification would need to be revised if ever done again. How is that not making it clear that I wouldn't do it again?
I'm also not willing to accept the statement that this is unequivocally a bad action to take. I've done it once before and the comments in that instance were all positive, only a single person downvoted the comment pinging users. Based on the feedback from this instance, it clear that it's contextual when it's a good move and when it isn't.
Please do not assume that everyone who ever made a drive-by comment on one of your posts that reached the front page is someone who wants to subscribe to your new community, and absolutely don’t come in my inbox to instruct me to go to a community based on the authority of some vote I wasn’t in. I wasn’t the one making your community lively, it was the people creating engaging posts.
Unfortunately, the bot or script can't ping by subscribers. So it did the next best thing: comments. It's not telling anyone to do anything.
It's only a one-off notification, dear me.
Ping by posters, maybe, but actually just don't ping. It's spam.
The net was WAY too wide.
And don't ever tell me what to subscribe to.
Some meeting I wasn't in deciding I had to do something and then sending me messages telling me to do it can absolutely go get lost.
It wasn't /telling/ you to do anything. It was just a "hey, if you're interested". That's it. Ideally Lemmy would have a function native for community migration but this is the next best thing.
It wasn’t /telling/ you to do anything.
The community has voted, please now go go television@lemm.ee
The impoliteness of spamming thousands of users completely undoes any politeness that the single word "please" adds to this instruction based on someone else's vote.
Imagine this sent to everyone who ever made a political comment: "You once expressed a political opinion. America has voted, please now subscribe to Trump on Truth Social." It's not even OK if you restrict it to just US based commenters, but it's sure as shit not OK to send it globally.
That was the post on this thread, not the notification that was sent out. The notification just says "Automated migration notification" (and then a list of names). Are you of the opinion that the very announcement in this community is in fact trying to dictate to people that they must subscribe to the new community?
I'm of the opinion that pasting thousands and thousands of user's addresses into your message is spam and I find it incomprehensible that you think you and your community are so important that it excuses it.
I genuinely don't get why someone's notifications are so sacred to them to this extent. This was a one-off event that was done purely to get people migrating over to the new community. Which it seems to have done. Some people aren't bothered by it, presumably because they did subscribe here.
I genuinely don’t get why someone’s notifications are so sacred to them to this extent.
Then you don't understand why people don't like spam. You support spamming. You think your message is more important than my preferences, than THOUSANDS of users preferences, and the fact that you've pissed off a bunch of users hasn't even begun to convince you to even consider that you might be in the wrong here.
As I said, I'm not telling you to do anything. You don't want to subscribe, don't subscribe. You just got caught up on the mail-list because you at some point posted here (in the last X months). It's done now. It won't happen again.
You're defending spamming up and down this thread and arguing with anyone you pissed off. Have a little think about whether that makes the world a better place. And try reading what people say and be less broken record.
It won’t happen again.
Then stop defending it ffs and try apologising instead.
the mail-list
that was scraped, the way spammers do it. "We thought you'd be interested in... " is at the start of an awful lot of marketing crap.
It's just a community notification, not some seedy product or some con or scam. It was always meant as a one-off thing (that's apparently been done before anyway by the same guy to zero issues for another community migration).
Still justifying your actions, still excusing your spam, still being defensive, still absolutely believing you did the right thing despite pissing a bunch of people off, still not apologising.
Skavau is completely unaffiliated with this action (I don't even know him), please don't accuse him of being a part of this. He is just trying to help you understand how you can see this from a different perspective.
Skavau is up and down the thread arguing with people who didn't like the spam and is the mod of the new community. "Trying to help you understand" simply isn't how they're behaving.
I'm not inclined to be told what to do, as you so object to yourself when you believed you were being ordered about.
It pissed me off as it was a notification I didn't ask for and was an abuse of the Lemmy notification system. Many apps divert the notification to the actual phone OS which is a "sacred space" for me personally. I absolutely do not like being disturbed for such a shit notification for a community I give zero fucks about.
Don't send a notification I didn't ask for or expect. Period.
Being that you cannot change the past or change any of the above conditions, your attempted justification is moot.
As a result, I am blocking you, Blaze, the old community and the new community. While that has almost zero impact to Lemmy as a whole, it does give me a clear picture of all the fuckers that likely participate in these communities.
I recommend that you change the display name to "[Dormant] Movies and TV Shows", to make it obvious in search results.
Good point, on it
What the fuck.
Pass
Unsubscribe.
Order corn
You misspelled porn.
The automated migration notification is interesting, I assume it's everyone that was subscribed to the old one. How does it work?
Not very well, given that I'm not subscribed and have no idea why I was notified.
I wasn’t subscribed either but maybe I upvoted something on here before? Not a huge deal but def curious how the automation for that was crafted.
Yeah, it's not super bad but definitely a bit surprising.
Here's the script. It's pretty messy as it was supposed to be a one-off script when football@lemmy.world migrated to Football@lemm.ee and was modified from sending a DM to just mass tagging people. You can't get the subscriber list via the API, so you have to check for activity.
Gotcha thanks for sharing. Hope the migration goes well :)
I think blaze needs the good luck more than me. I'm not a part of this community as I don't watch movies and TV, I was just doing this upon request. Granted me my first ever mod/admin warning though lol
I'm okay. I'm clarifying the admin warning, I'm a bit surprised as last time we didn't have any issue with football@lemmy.world
You've interacted with the community, the subscriber list isn't available from the the API AFAIK
Might be worth adding to the API. This kind of notification is obviously useful but a bit surprising for people who once passed by and left a comment.
I 100% agree, it would be a much better solution and would integrate well with AutoMods. I suspect it's not available for privacy reasons since it would enable you to scrape every community someone is subscribed to, which people may not want exposed to regular uses. Similar to how you can't see who/what people voted.
You commented at some point
I was never subscribed
You probably commented at some point
I wasn't subscribed!
It scraped comments, not subscribers. You commented here before.
I figured! Better way to get a larger audience I suppose. Seems, based on comments, some people were unhappy. I ended up subscribing to the new one though.
Yes, seems like the notification isn't always welcome by some people. Glad to see it was useful to you, see you there!
You commented here: https://lemm.ee/post/35434394/12784907
I wondered if that was the case.
There's no way this helps your case lol
It's nor supposed to help it, just explain
Hey @BoozeOrWater@lemm.ee, how's it going?
Goodbye 👋
Is the new comm no longer about movies?
Nope.
"I'll take 'Piss Off Every Lemmy User' for 1000, Alex.".
To be fair, on the other side people always complain when community migration is mentioned that "you lose people in the process"
football@lemmy.world pinned post is similar, people were quite okay to be notified there
To be even more fair, I never partake in the foozeball or the boobtoob communities except to complain about shitty posts.
How the spambot scraped the user list and notified people was not smart and likely resulted in more blocks.
Not sure what boobtoob is, but okay
"to be fair" you can go fuck yourself. I'm blocking television@lemm.ee and you because this is honestly a bullshit way to do notifications and the lack of understanding is mindboggling.
Well, sure
Thanks!
Correct. There's movies for that. It's split into movies and television.
If the community has voted, you should lock this community to new posts.
It is locked, isn't it?
Oh, so it is. For some reason, it doesn't have a "locked" icon like moviesandtv@lemm.ee does. Perhaps it's just my app or my instance which hasn't federated yet.
LMFAO
Why are you ing me?
Migration to Television@lemm.ee
I’m not subscribed is it if you’ve ever interacted with this community?
Yes, probably those comments: https://lemm.ee/search?q=+&type=All&listingType=All&communityId=408863&creatorId=742174&page=1&sort=TopAll
Interesting.
What is this and why was I notified of it?
I wish I didn't get removed just so I can see what it said
Why the fuck did you tag us? Go fuck yourself with this spam bullshit
Hey. At least they told exactly where not to go now.
I understand the intent, but I think your net was too wide. If there is no way to just get a list of subcribers or some other shorter list of people who will actually care or notice it moved, that might be the better plan in the future. But I think just a message in the community without tagging people already does that, really. Just not quite as quickly.
Hello,
Thank you for your comment.
There were quite a few concerns when the migration was suggested that people would not see the pinned post. We tries to mitigate that with the notification. Sorry about this.
How did you populate the list?
The script is available on https://lemmy.world/post/24312613?scrollToComments=true
this is spam, please never include me in a message like this again.
Did you tag every subscriber or something? Wtf? How did you accomplish this?
I’m not a subscriber, but I probably have commented in the community before. This feels gross and spammy.
It's really no different from the reddit automod sending notifications as a DM, it's just more visible when done wholesale via comment tagging instead of sending a DM to every individual
You are extremely, distressingly incorrect on this point. This was a colossal mistake and needs to be acknowledged as such.
Genuinely curious: would it have been okay if it would have been a DM?
I would have felt a little better if it were a dm that didn't include a bunch of other random users without any clear inclusion criteria.
I wasn't bothered really. Just confused. An individual DM without essentially what amounts to a large cc list would be nice but I understand that may not be feasible/possible currently.
We might consider this in the future, there's a thread on fedigrow@lemm.ee about this
If you find it genuinely distressing, I'm open to hear your opinions and view point. From my own perspective, I don't see how a single notification that let's you know that a community you've interacted this year is migrating is problematic.
But again, I'm open to hear the reasons why I'm wrong and causing emotional trauma, as my intention was only help blaze with his community migration.
They blocked me and the community apparently, so not sure they'll come back to you.
By the way, thank you for the help, sorry for the backlash, that is unexpected
We live and we learn 🙂
People are different and have different views on what's acceptable and not. Maybe the (smaller) football crowd are more interested in making sure they stay up to date with the correct community.
It could also be that most people that were pinged weren't subscribers, but one-time visitors from c/all. The influx of Nicole spam could also have put people more on the edge, who knows.
I think a more specific community like that is much less likely to have people comment without being a subscriber.
Seems likely yeah. I'm sure there were some false positives though, but it didn't receive any negative comments and only a single downvote. Different demographics for sure,
Indeed 🙂
The difference is that I’ve only ever received notifications from automod as a reaction to something I did, and those notifications came in either as a comment reply or as a direct message.
I looked it up - the last time I interacted with this community was 5 months ago. I’m not a subscriber, either.
I can understand the importance of casting a wide net for awareness, but I think your scoping and your approach was wrong.
If I may offer a few suggestions - I don’t think the idea is wrong, but I think that the messages should have been direct messages to users that clearly explained why that individual user was receiving the message, plus whatever else you needed/wanted to say.
I would have had more rigid criterion for inclusion, too. Subscribers, certainly, and perhaps people who have interacted with the community a minimum number of times within a limited time period. For me, 3 times in 3 months seems generous enough to cast that wide net while also not being overly-broad.
So if I were executing this, I would have had the bot direct message people, and say “Hello, I’m a bot acting on the behalf of X community. You are receiving this message because you are a subscriber or have recently interacted with the community. We wanted to let you know that the community is moving! It can be found at Y.”
The bulk tagging action was, I think, especially egregious. Posts with massive amounts of tags are a very common spam technique and people automatically have a negative association with them. Pair that with non-specific criteria and relatively non-descriptive explanations, and I think it’s a perfectly reasonable thing for folks to have adverse reactions.
I hope that you consider the above as fair, and not overly critical. I’m not trying to throw stones. Everyone is human here. Well, except for the bot. But even it makes mistakes.
I hope that you consider the above as fair, and not overly critical. I’m not trying to throw stones. Everyone is human here. Well, except for the bot. But even it makes mistakes.
Not at all, I'd say all well reasoned feedback is always welcome, and I mostly agree with all your points.
To mention a things:
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The mass tagging instead of DMs were to spare the server from spamming DM requests. Originally though, the bot was written to reply to the latest post or comment you made in the community, but similar to sending DMs, mass tagging in a few condensed comments is "tidier" in some sense.
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The script (it isn't really a bot as it requires manual input) was set to look 365 days back, which might have been fine for football@lemmy.world where it was originally used. I suppose for a community that have more non-subscriber engagement, a tighter timeline like a week or month *might *have been better.
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If I could have gotten the subscriber list via the API, I would have done so. I suppose a coordination with the admins to get the subscriber list would be better.
Hello,
Thank you for your nice feedback. I just created a thread on fedigrow@lemm.ee , I'll definitely include this.
FYI, at the moment the only people who can know the list of subscribers to a community are that community's instance admins, via the database directly, so not something very accessible for mods.
I had not considered that as a possibility/did not know.
That definitely throws a wrench into the subscriber only idea - at least not without admin support.
I assume that most instances have some rule against vote manipulation. A complementary idea I had was to - for a set period, make a post restating the change and request that community members upvote it for visibility. Such as 1x post a week or what-have-you - varying the day to accommodate for folks on different schedules. (Workday folks, vs weekend folks, etc)
Definitely an option without the request for upvotes, regardless of instance rules, but perhaps without as much reach.
Yes, otherwise we would have probably gone that route.
Your other idea would probably be seen as vote manipulation indeed unfortunately
Have a look at football@lemmy.world
Everyone that's mad deserves to be tagged again. lol
Do it.
@UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev , could you please use your script to ping people here ?
Sorry for the delay, the bot has posted now
Not cool.
Amazing, thanks!