Do you think Lemmy has a culture separate from Reddit or is it basically the same?
1y 8d ago by lemmy.world/u/cm0002 in asklemmy
Original question by @OmegaLemmy@discuss.online
Fairly different hivemind here, I think. Still annoying at times but for different reasons. Individuals seem more likely to engage on a topic though. Maybe without instantly thinking you're their enemy.
It took me a bit to understand this. I was so used to expecting negativity that i thought non-negative comments were being sarcastic.
"hivemind" is such a stupid bullshit concept. the only people who use it just don't like being disagreed with. if you use the term "hivemind" you might as well be a reddit conservative
Congrats on being the exception to the latter part of my comment.
Congrats on being an exception to the penulatimate part of your comment then? My point is that "hivemind" is already a thought-terminating cliche. If you're using it while seeking in-depth conversation, what do you expect to get? Hence me saying you "might as well be" such as such -- which is very different from treating you like an enemy. Seems like you gave a bit of that hostility back though! And why? Because this conversation revolves around a thought-terminating cliche like "hivemind".
I don't think hivemind is a bullshit concept. It's another word for gregarian behavior. The observed dominance of a single point of view, amplified by the underlying system of upvotes that brings a visibility bias to already popular points of view.
Isn't that what we call the hivemind ?
It feels the same as when I originally got on Reddit 15 years ago. Not so much the culture of Reddit 10 years later, and definitely not at all like Reddit is now.
I feel the same way about it. There was a time when reddit, at least large parts of it, was a fairly decent place. That gradually changed, for a lot of different reason, until it became the mess it is now.
Lemmy feels more like the early reddit, before everyone gave up on real interactions and basic civility. We have our own problems, but the decentralized model tends to work in our favor instead of against us. Any given community, or even site, can still go to hell if the participants want it to and the moderators/admins allow it. The difference is that other communities and sites are not automatically dragged down along with it.
I think it also helps that a lot of the folks here have seen things go wrong, on reddit and elsewhere, and want to do better. There is a world of difference between skepticism and cynicism. So far, we seem to be mostly coming down on the right side of that. It's amazing how much better things are when you treat others as human beings and don't assume that nothing really matters.
half of the site has been overrun by russian bots, now its israeli, and Palintir bots.
Similar but distinct. Much further left for one thing.
Also, the average level of tech knowledge here is off the charts. Like I feel like a caveman and in my office I'm the one people to go through for help. Never felt like that on Reddit.
fellow in-between, how can we describe ourselves? the one that everyone comes to for tech support (eg we know how to ctrl+v) but around actual programmers we just stare blankly.
I tried to create an account on db0 and the application wanted to know my favortie OSS creator or something, I just told them i have no idea what that means but I'll be nice. if we had a word for what we are, I'd have used that!
We also asked for your favourite anarchist or pirate. We're not just techie :)
In case you didn't know, OSS stands for Open Source Software, like Firefox, Linux, Lemmy etc ;)
cool thank you! and to be clear, you all were nice enough to approve me anyways. db0 seems like a good spot. rip to lemm.ee
So far, it's definitely less toxic
Fewer conservative dickheads, less crypto-bro bullshit, fewer incels and the like
Someone made a joke that didn't land well. I called them out for it, because it looked like they were being a misogynistic prick. We had a back and forth, they edited their comment to make it clear that it was a joke, not a bigoted belief, we had a good conversation and even a few others joined in with a swell of positivity
On reddit it would have probably escalated into something unpleasant, but here everyone actually had a laugh about it and we all noted the difference in positivity
There are still creepy children posting stuff in places like asklemmynsfw and annoying porn bots, but it's still better overall by a lot
It's going to be interesting to see what Digg becomes
Lemmy tends to not take every sentence like an insult.
for example: On a r/PCMR post asking about GPU shopping I said "ive run pretty graphics intensive games and some LLM/Image generators too. Mine has been perfect, I don't think OP should be super concerned [about only 10gb vram]"
I got -20 votes and a reply "Wow you should tell to AI companies that they don't need 30gb in their graphics cards!"
like OP was literally just a gamer š
although,
Lemmy HATES memes with censors in it. And leftist infighting is insufferable.
I've noticed there is a LOT of hate for AI here.
It's not that black & White, AI can be good for some things
To be fair, a fascist (not nazi) and a center right neoliberal have more in common than a center left liberal has with communists
Lemmy's far less toxic than Reddit and actually does something about bigots/hateful people too
also you don't get banned just for saying Luigi lol
Here I am ,, fuck Reddit
Belly full of ramen, couldn't give a fuck about Reddit
I like you
You get banned for random views though. In particular lemmy.world is heavy on the censorship.
If lemmy gets more popular then corporate influenced mods will appear.
The benefit of lemmy being that instances can and do block communities that don't fit their vibe. So once lemmy gets big enough that quality starts taking a hit, and corpos smell blood in the water, other instances can just fork off. It's already kind of like that too. Whereas with reddit, you can't tell what sub a person originally signed up for, sure you can go through history but with lemmy you can see what instance a person belongs to, which can give you a slight idea of the ideals that person might hold. Some instances may, for better or worse, have certain reputations.
Plus with being able to see a users mod history and whatnot. Lemmy has a lot more to offer and its still growing. it'll likely split over time but basically be the same. It is very different from reddit though, more like if forums and twitter had a baby.
That's why I switched from .world. Being the biggest target makes them more averse to offending corporations.
Lemmy is how Reddit was in 2010. Size is what degrades the experience, the larger Reddit got the more shit it became. I am hopeful that federation will be the secret sauce that saves Lemmy from the same enshittification as it grows.
The paid agents probably don't consider the Lemmy communities big enough to invest time polluting them most of the time, it's just not cost-effective.
The gamers idk, honestly, it's hit and miss. You can have the multiplayer game addicts that start with racial slurs and end shooting up folks, but you can also have the 'radical' leftist (they're just empathetic in the West, considered a crime by some there!) with the green hair. The tech bros (because of their inherent greed and superficiality), certainly.
As the Buddhist monks say : "poverty is our shield"
I'd argue earlier. Before the largest digg exodus. 2010 already had custom subs and supported some niche comms
No ads, no tracking, that's exclusive to Lemmy and I would like it for that alone.
People (aka, in Reddit language, 'content' or 'the stuff we write but they earn money with') are the same everywhere, I mean assholes and nice guys are not exclusive to any platform. There are just a lot less of us here than on Reddit. So, there is a lot less noise.
Plus we have decent filtering tools, so we can even have less noise ;)
Lemmy is tiny compared to Reddit and the niche communities I'm interested in are not very active but I don't care. I will keep posting here and not on Reddit as long as they won't change what I disagree with (which won't happen).
From what Iāve experienced, it feels toxic in a bizarre liberal, Linux-nerd white knight kindof way. Which I think almost wraps back around to not being toxic at all and just feeling friendly in a passive aggressive way? Like going to a computer convention held on a hot, sunny beach. Sure, every here mostly agrees and likes the same geeky stuff but we can easily be too cranky about it, one way or another. Lemmy seems way more likely to engage in real conversation in comments and not just one-line jokes than Reddit. People seem more passionate about their hobbies or viewpoints. More likely to help if asked directly and detailed in response. Itās a cool place!
Their filthy neckbeard echo chamber
vs
our glorious neckbeard echo chamber
Classic liberal or social liberal ? (=american or european ?)
It's a child of Reddit.
It grew up learning some good habits and some bad, it continues traditions it didn't start, but it runs it's own household with it's own traditions, and is building upon the values it's learned.
Eventually, when our numbers will grow significantly, you wonāt be able to distinguish this place from Reddit.
You will always be able to distinguish this place from Reddit. There are no ads or "sponsored" posts here on Lemmy.
Not official, labeled ones but eventually if it gets too popular, marketing teams will just create fake users and post ads as fake posts. Same as Reddit and any other social media platform has problems with
Reddit was shitty, just because it's people and people suck. But I hung around because...I'm a masochist I guess. I left because of the 3rd party shit. I've never gone back. As that great '80s pop band said,"People are people."
We already have scammers private messaging me here. They get nearly insta banned the minute I report one, but this is a small place.
Let's say lemmy gets popular. I can't see why bots wouldn't be a plague here too.
For me it is not the same because shittiness of the head board also counts a lot in the equation. Because of the federation you have some opportunity to find variations that help you being more comfortable.
Yes, we have way higher percentage of neurodivergent people here and I love it.
I think it's plausible that there are more people here that are neurodivergent. However, even more significant than this is a culture where neurodivergent people are more visible. At Reddit, calling someone or something autistic would usually be an insult. Here, it's more often that we are recognising each other and existing in solidarity.
Generally the same culture, but skewed towards more tech savvy types and online-centric culture groups. It's a lot smaller than reddit, which helps a lot with the quality of interactions, but I think if it grew enough it would end up very close to reddit culture.
I didn't use Reddit towards the end so I might be a bit wrong but overall it feels a lot more likely that you will bump into the same people on here. Its nice that you don't really get your karma farming GallowBoob types.
The misogyny on here seems more intense though even if the mods and admins are more on top of it.
seems alot less here, unless your trying to go to female communities to tell them otherwise.
Most of it tends to be where a woman will mention experiencing something disproportionately, as a woman, and there will always be a man in the replies saying that men experience it to.
There is a recurring thing on poor consent towards women's bodies too, particularly whenever SWers are mentioned. That's more of a carry over from Reddit though.
I actually think it's way more like 4chan than reddit.
Niche threads are small handful of people every time, people feel pretty safe to get nasty really quick, and wild mix of people thinking it's their safe space full of people that agree with them entirely from anarchists to fascists.
Also likely to see a random porn or furry post.
You can just turn on the NSFW filter for your main feed. Removes pretty much everything except the "moe" communities.
Sidenote: you Moe people are weird af. Please tag your communities as NSFW. I would honestly rather have someone look over my shoulder and see a hardcore gangbang post than see me looking at fully clothed anime girls.
I block the moe communities when they pop up. e: I'm not against it, I just don't care.
What are those moe people?
Moe is a cutsey anime style, iirc.
Moe is when you take your fetish/the type of girl you like, then draw an anime girl about it. But the girl is cute, not sexy, and fully clothed and doing normal, not sexy things. It is very weird. I do not understand this level of sexual repression. It feels like the online porn art equivalent of getting a human shaped pillow to hug while you sleep at night.
We have mods that use the banhammer as a disagree button, just like reddit. But we are also openly hostile to nazis unlike reddit.
Lemmy is full of tankies and Linux nerds. It's a different kind of toxic to what you'd experience over on Reddit.
People seem nicer here in general.
I've seen less whining about downvotes, "you can't say x on y subreddit" meta comments, and general persecution fetish stuff. Probably just due to less people, but it's still a relief not to have to see it constantly.
I dunno, I mean, I never saw such an obsession with beans on reddit.
Whether that's a better, different kind of shitposting or exactly the same kind of shitposting is up to you.
I still don't know what started the bean thing or really what it even was. I joined while the posts were still happening, but by that point they were clearly for people already in on the joke.
Look for the all time top post on lemmy.
It might not explain it or give you a clearer view but its absolutly beans
A real human bean
You clearly have never visited r/beansinthings
fuck me and that sub was made in 2017
yeah nevermind it's exactly the same type of shitposting.
100% has different cultures, however:
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Not necessarily better, due to lack of enforceable centralized moderation policy a lot of morally grey or dark communities and instances exist, and it is more susceptible to bots.
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Reddit was so absolutely massive compared to current Lemmy that it naturally did have more niches.
There are literally multiple Lemmy communities promoting youthful pornographic imagery, if not outright child pornography, so mentioning that Reddit had a scandal over the same content which they then proceeded to shutdown definitely isn't an argument in Lemmy's favor.
We also have militant extremist communities and advocacies for foreign dictatorships here, like all of Hexbear for example.
Lemmy has the 3 day no poop challenge and reddit definitely doesn't, for one thing
the what?
If you read the user agreement when you signed up, you would know that youāre not supposed to poop for 3 days after signing up. You shouldnāt be posting until you complete the challenge.
This is the lemmy deep lore https://kbin.social/m/asklemmy@lemmy.ml/t/78689/I-need-to-survive-for-3-days-without-pooping-and
the kbin part of the link is making it not work I think but I did see that post when it was making the rounds!
forgot about it but it is great we're getting some home grown poop knife/swamps of dagobah/jolly rancher/no arms guy/safe stories :D
That's an interesting question and one that's worth exploring. Reddit certainly has been the source of many homegrown memes, common retorts, and witticisms used across the web. But here, you can try switching to Linux. Download various distros for free and try out combinations of release cycle, built-in apps, and desktop environment to find your favorite.
Yes, as much as I dislike the increasingly moralist culture on there, it still has a bunch of great contributions, if you care to sift through the awful interface. Sadly it's got achievements now, which in my experience were so far confined to games. It's not something I want popping in a corner of my monitor completely unprompted while I am trying to focus on an insightful comment. Not the kind of thing you get with free software... my last experience with Linux was Fedora 20-something, one which I aim to reiterate now, fifteen years later, that Wayland has improved to the point of letting me use my hardware to its full potential (drawing tablet, multiple monitors, etc). I've already installed Mint on my wife's laptop, which she enjoys very much (because it gets out of her way), and I think I might go for Fedora again for my workstation later this year, or maybe Manjaro, who knows.
Sadly itās got achievements now
What did I miss? Does Linux has achievements now??
Reddit does
Oh, okey. Yeah, I can live without that too.
Thatās unfortunate, i was hoping to also read stuff from the maga assholes. Really, this separation is very harmful imo
agreed.
the great crisis of our times is a failure to effectively communicate and accept the communication of The Otherā¢
The Westerners are slightly/somewhat less imperialistic, which is great. Also, people are visibly not as intellectually challenged.
significant less astroturfing from right wingers, and bots+ less pressure of the constant threat of reddit and subreddit moderations.
your battling against people brigading, baiting you into argueing so you get reported.
Significantly different in most communities. Much more collab work for one. Plus faster changes in general. Hard to game an algorithm when everyone has a different one and in different places. The people are just nicer here. I feel like I can actually have a conversation without being drowned.
Definitely different
Yes and no. To me it feels like going from one subreddit to another. It is different? Yes. That much different? I don't know, maybe, like going from a big city to a town without leaving the country.
Systematically the same. Different weight shift (views and interests). Smaller userbase also makes it a bit different, but will become more similar with more users.
It is people, so basically the same.
Smaller communities make a different quality of conversation. What it reminds me of is early Reddit, yes.
I've been trying to figure out if there are fewer bots here. I think there are. If there's any substantive difference between the two that's it.
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I don't think I've ever seen an owl on reddit
r/superbowl was the inspiration for the lemmy version...
I joined, hoping that it is way less censored than reddit. Is that the case? Nowadays you canāt say shit in the āsocial platformsā if it hurts someone. I want to be able to say what In think and read what others have to say even if it hurts my feelings / views.
I want to murder-death-kill someone every time I see/hear "unalive".
You would have been banned on Reddit for inciting violenceā¦ wish i was kidding. Kudos
Thatās very unfortunate. I deleted my Facebook account a decade ago because it was flooding me with superficial stuff from people that i didnāt care about. I stopped using Twitter as soon as Musk bought it, it was shit before that too. Deleted Reddit a couple of days ago because it is impossible to say anything that the moderators disapprove of. Maybe lemmy will be the next thing to delete
You are right. Well, off I leave š
I dont think we're a bunch of angry 16 year old white boys who worship musk and jbp so no we're not the fucking same
Right! We're a bunch of 16 year old white boys who worship Xi!
Much less "trying to be the funniest person in the room" energy
It is the same.
Big communities suck.
Small communities are great if you are part of the in crowd, if not it sucks.
Mods suck.
Admins really suck.
The content is the same, just a day behind.
It is the same.
Yet we scroll and enjoy it.
Everyone on Lemmy is a fed.
Alright, wrap it up boys, we've been made
Not the same. More like a second cousin, once removed.
It's growing one. The dislike of bots and one-liner posts seems like it could actually stick around as a form of etiquette, although it's too early to really say. A lot of readers will remember the poop post a couple years on, too, which counts.
The political bent and heavy tech-orientation are just a reflection of who the early adopters (and devs) are. Ditto for any extra civility or insight on the part of the people posting.
one-liner posts
I feel like Ask Reddit is at fault for that one. They changed their rules to have the entire question fit in the title. Before that, you were allowed to have the question expanded upon in the post.
Not sure if you remember/were around for it, but I think this was in a response to AskReddit titles being a story followed by a question instead of just a question.
E.g. dear reddit, today my dog killed my flowers. What's a time you were emotionally devastated?
Don't see why you couldn't have limited to a question in the title and allowed story time in the post though
Agreeded. I remember a lot of posts being "Girls, what do you like with boys" and then the next post would be "Boys, what do you like with girls". Rinse and repeat in some other flavour with more or less sex.
People are all the same everywhere.
Cowboy Bebop?
Reddit is bigger, so it's more diverse and less hateful. But behavioral patterns are the same imo.
i wouldnt call it less hateful.
I was going to say "bit of both", but I realise this is complicated by how long I was on Reddit; the culture and experience over there changed over time. I wonder whether the parts of Lemmy that remind me of Reddit are invoking my earlier experiences
I feel like people are nicer to each other on here, but maybe it's just the communities I subscribe to.
I've never seen anybody ponder any orbs on reddit
Reddit's conservatives were marginally smarter
The difference is the type of people who are drawn to Lemmy are more technical, computer savvy
.world is basically reddit. Sometimes I wonder why they left. Everywhere else has a delightfully different vibe.
On reddit the conservative subs don't allow discussions or debates. On Lemmy the leftist subs don't allow discussions or debates.