These communities are not even hosted on lemmy.world, this is an absurdly overreacted response. There were no signs of any legal trouble and I can't understand how lemmy.world specifically would be the target of such legal action. If you want to host an instance, you should do everything in your power to allow discussions on any topic, while in necessary cases disallowing direct posting/linking of illegal content. Instead, you chose to block a community that has long been known to avoid having any trouble with the moderators.

Please make announcements on lemmy instead of exclusively on discord moving forward. That is the biggest issue here, the lack of public transparency. Such a decision affects all instances, not just lemmy.world and making it publicly known is important

Uh, lwadmin@lemmy.world .. what's up with the banning going on in this thread? I noticed on a.lemmy.org that someone was labeled "banned" and their comment was simply "Ight, I’m out"

The mod note was "Let us help you".

There are more similarly weak (spiteful?) bans that certainly don't seem to be at a standard for a ban. "Litterally 1984" was another one. Is that all it takes to be banned here?

Edit: Many (all?) the users I referenced as banned are now unbanned from the site, but now banned from this community.

Reading all these comments it's clear that a lot of people have unrealistic ideas regarding what Lemmy and the Fediverse are supposed to be (or maybe it's me with weird ideas).

The Fediverse is just a bunch of apps that can all communicate with each other through a shared protocol. There is no requirement for them to be free speech platforms or host everything. The whole purpose of defederation supports the idea that instances are free to associate or disassociate with whichever instances they want. Furthermore, nearly every guide I read on joining Lemmy state that you should choose instances to join based on shared ideals/beliefs.

For everyone saying "I'm leaving lemmy.world" I say "Good. That's what you're supposed to do." When the instance you join no longer aligns with what you want, you go to another instance and then you'll be back to viewing all the communities you want to see. That is what the Fediverse is all about and how it's designed.

Surely there is a discussion to be had around what is and isn't allowed, there are plenty of subreddits discussing piracy without dolirect links that are playing within the rules.

What part is illegal? Are they sharing files on that instance and your instance re-hosts it?

From my understanding, discussions are legal, guides are legal, tips are legal, but actual files (aka "copyrighted content") is illegal. There are no files shared there, links at maximum, but institutions should be after those content-sharing websites, not forums.

I am against this decision and I am happy that I am not part of admins team.

And still people are crying about this.

You can literally change to another instance. That's the entire point of the Fediverse. If you don't like a decision the admin has taken, you can move elsewhere.

The entitlement of some people these days is ridiculous.

The fact that there was no announcement before the banning of the communities is not great, but good on you for acknowledging that mistake.

It's unfortunate that this action had to be done, but it's also understandable. It's not about what's right or wrong, and it's not even about whether there actually is any illegal content in these communities. It's about the fact that the Big Entertainment Companies don't care about the difference and see it ALL as bad, irregardless of whether it actually is illegal or not. If the admin team had a legal team and the financial security to fight back, then it wouldn't be as much of an issue. But they're not, they're just a bunch of regular folks, so they're being cautious and trying to pre-emptively prevent these problems from coming up, especially as Lemmy continues to grow every day.

The beauty of the Fediverse is that you can always switch instances or make an alt account.

Oh no. Wtf. Do you know what's funny? I actually joined this instance from piracy subreddit.

I guess it's time to leave.

While I'm not ethically opposed pirating, I understand and would probably do the same for a server I was hosting. Anybody remember Kim Dotcom's mansion raid?

What I do not understand is blocking a community surrounding magic mushrooms.. No one is going to prosecute the L.W admins for people discussing shrooms/their use...

Substances are legal/illegal depending on where one lives, just like weed which is apparently perfectly fine to post here, even tho possession is a death sentence in some countries.

It simply doesn't logically follow that weed, or even alcohol communities are permissible while a shroom community is not.

Banning any content deemed illegal in any country in the world establishes a very dangerous precedence (if that's the justification here). Free speech/dissenting from the government is illegal in many places in the world.

One thing the community must remember tho, is that you have to operate your server in accordance with the law in which country you're hosting it (in this case Germany).

I'll gladly admit I'm not too familiar with German law, but it seems unreasonable to expect government persecution for hosting servers which hosts a shroom discussion community.

Lovely this happened because someone complained after being banned from the piracy instance for being a transphobic asshole.

Thanks for only banning the communities and not the entire instance as a whole. That is a much healthier approach to deferation.

I don't understand why people are upset even a little about this. This is a prefect advert for the fediverse. If you are not completely happy with an instance(which can never realistically happen) then you just host your own or have multiple accounts. Apps have this built in and easily accessible. Why do people want to concentrate everything they want into one instance? What if that instance goes down? This should not be hated or applauded.... just ignored as the way the fediverse should work. Don't get too attached to any single instance.

Ight, I'm out

Time to host my own instance. I disagree with this move.

The people whining are not the people that could face multimillion-dollar lawsuits over the issue. Like it or not, media companies are powerful and will go after websites seen as promoting piracy. Do what you reasonably have to do.

Even if we look past the issue that all of this was in response to a 10h troll account, there was no cease and desist, no threat of a lawsuit, nothing credible AT ALL.

Let's ignore all of that and say there was, it still means this instance is completely ill equipped to provide any sort of resistance, to something trivial.

It's like it's hosted in the middle of Illinois, by John Frank, at 3125 maple lane... Zero layers of protection.

That is awful and means no meaningful discussion can ever happen here. Nevermind piracy, what if people want to criticize the government? Or public figures?

If this instance can't fight a fake troll it can't fight and protect anything.

Which means we need to pool resources and fund instances that can and will fight back.

And yes that means fundraising to build up a defense fund and hosting outside the US etc.

I think a this is a bigger issue then just .worlds stance on piracy. Lemmy.world has put it self forward as the "front page of lemmy" but has now also removed one of the largest community using lemmy. And did so with no input on a discord server (not on any instance). This front page status was already shakey with all the down time and clunk. This seems like maybe not the best side to show new users.

Unfortunate, but I understand the necessity of avoiding legal troubles as a volunteer group.

You're not allowed to discuss piracy. You wouldn't talk about stealing a car would you?

Delete this.

It's a tough decision.

There's a target on the collective back of Lemmy, its developers and this instance. Rooting out these issues early is part of it. One of my first recommendations to @ruud@lemmy.world was to start putting aside contribution dollars from donors for a legal fund to manage liabilities like this. This decision is just solid management and avoiding issues well ahead of time.

I wish the admins well. And for those who have had their communities 'snipped' from being connected to Lemmy.world, I hear you. It's hard when you have built a connection and a sense of self on a platform, and then it becomes severed. That's hard.

Time to switch instances

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Oh no! Users are complaining and downvoting. They just need to get inline and do what they're told. Okay for real, you people are worst type of people. Lemmy users are just showing their disapproval of the action. They have the right to do.

Do those communities house copyright content? The answer is no. Having discussions, giving guides & tips are are legal. So I don't see the problem. If someone going to get sued for it. It will be dbzer0.com and lemmy.ml due to said communities being part of the instances not LW.

Y'all realize that saying things like "You've just lost a user!" or "Deleting my account!" or "This is now the worst instance on Lemmy!"... you sound like a Karen telling the kid at the register in CVS that she's leaving a bad Yelp review... right? Y'all seeing this? Am I going crazy here?

QQ: Have there been other communities removed and was it communicated?

I have just realized that c/Shrooms has been banned too, but I cannot find a statement regarding this particular ban.

Are or will there be more bans? I am not asking to complain about it or make remarks about which the decision is correct to me or not, but rather point out the lack of communication or unfortunate communication.

I can understand this. This is a server hosted by an individual who doesn't want the potential legal headaches that may arise. Everyone is free to make another account on another instance, or create their own instance.

Aight peace ✌️ you do you. Gonna go sail my ship over to another instance.

Seems overly cautious, or lemmy.world is trying to find excuses to cut off content they don't like. Legal trouble for allowing access to those communities, which aren't even based on lemmy.world, would be so much of an overstep, they'd probably be able to get free legal counsel from the EFF or a similar organization.

Anyways, this will be my last post on this server. Even though I don't use any of those communities, I don't want to have to constantly monitor what has been banned to see what I may miss out on.

Apparently, lemmy.world also removed c/shrooms, which I didn't even know about. And again, risk of legal trouble for that would be extremely low.

I do understand that you would remove them if they were also hosted here... But they are hosted on other instances so I don't understand the issue? Is linking to that specific instance via comment the same issue as if they were visible for everyone on this instance? Or even mentioning it now in the OP like it is?

I can still access r piracy on Reddit, i thought lemmy.world had more freedom of speech than corporate sellouts. 💀

This is a bit concerning… why is Lemmy censoring things that not even Reddit is censoring? This seems like a bleak warning for the future of the platform. I understand censoring illegal content, but if nothing is hosted on Lemmy, then what’s the problem?

The copyblight strikes again.

This decision was the logical one, however, it was only rendered logical because of the awful state of copyright law.

Honestly fuck off. I came to Lemmy because I'm sick of people telling me what I can view and how I can view it. Guess I'll go find another instance again.

This is problematic. I have no issue with the instance defederating from toxic communities such as hexbear. And i understand that in the fediverse, admins are free to block what they want, just like i am free to join another instance. The problem here is blocking the communities because of a perceived risk of legal trouble for the instance owners. I don’t blame the instance owner/admins for not wanting to take the risk, but if the risk is real, every instance (unless based in a country that does not care about copyright laws) would have to block not only piracy related material, but also anything that may be copyright infringement or otherwise legally questionable. That would lead to a very fragmented fediverse, where you need separate accounts on different instances. That may be a minor inconvenience at most for techies, but a serious roadblock for the general public.

Well said! I think the entire LW community would prefer a heads up for major actions. It's understandable that piracy could lead to liability issues which none of us want. Thanks for giving us a run down.

I am strongly opposed to the way this is handled. Discussing piracy may not be censored in any way and being afraid of shady lawsuits is not good, this is one of the main responsibilities of a server admin of such a grand operation. Especially so for what is effectively an image board which is grey zoning on copyright all the time. It is fine to ban communities who direct link to well known piracy sites, both because of the legal and perhaps ethical complications this brings.

We need now more than ever platforms where we defend basic freedoms as discussion of hot topics. I view the negative impact of this as banning discussion on drugs. Disclaimers about dangers and help lines for addiction should be forced, as the banning of purchase options, however please stay out of experiences, discussions and warnings on them.

Yea, I'm leaving. Not as a protest, I just want access to something without caring if devs like it or not.

All hail Piracy!

Any suggestions on instances to move over to?

What are your thoughts on communities about drugs? Pretty big topic for me, although the drug subs mostly haven't moved here yet, is that because you ban them? If so, I'm wasting my time waiting for them here.

How does Reddit get away with hosting these communities without the mentioned issues?

I'm no fan of piracy - just seems like a pretty name for petty theft to me - but this decision seems problematic. I went and read some of the threads about this decision on some of the other communities, including dbzer0, and I looked around the blocked communities on an alt account.

I'm not seeing evidence of actual copyrighted material posted, just discussions about how to steal content, which itself isn't illegal. And there's a pretty fair amount of content - the communities are active - so if there was a violation I feel like it should be handled as the exception it appears to be. Those communities themselves don't allow posting of copyrighted content, so it shouldn't be a problem to get a violation removed. If someone posted an image that contained child pornography to one of the NSFW communities, would we block the whole community, or just get that post removed (and alert the authorities)? The latter, I hope.

They also make a good case that the action was taken in response to a troll on a newly-created account who didn't provide any evidence of there being copyrighted material. That in itself seems like a problem, though maybe someone looked into it? I'm pretty supportive of the .World admins, I think you're doing a good job in a difficult situation, but I believe these communities should be unblocked unless there is an actual problem.

are platforms liable for user behavior?

Not with me. Pirating for personal use is perfectly legal in my country.

Do we have an account migration tool yet and can somebody recommend a nice instance?

is this the new most downvoted post on lemmy?

I don't understand how lemmy world has removed them, aren't those all communities on different servers? How is this our problem?

Just to put my two cents: Thanks for the good work. Continue keeping up to make sure lemmy.world won’t be liable in any way for possible issues.

I did not know you can defederate from specific communities. I thought it can be done only to instances.

I get that people won't like the decision, and it sucks that the world is in a place where this kind of thing has to happen, but the decision really makes sense. Real people have to host this stuff, admin this stuff, out of their own (or donated) money. Asking them to be legally and financially responsible for someone else's decision to pirate copyrighted material, regardless of what you think of the morality or ethics of piracy, is a really fucking big ask.

While I wish there was more transparency about this decision before action was taken, in this case it's kind of understandable due to the servers being hosted in Germany and them having really draconian piracy laws. Just hoping that this won't lead to a chain reaction of other communities being removed due to legal complaints.

In the meantime, happy to get my piracy content over at db0.

This is why Lemmy won't grow, a lot of instances are forcing their users to create another account on other instances, this was my third account due to the blocking of some instances like this...

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Ahhhh right, we are now one step closer to become the new reddit…

Time to get serious about running my own instance. I now have to wonder what kind of political opinion I might voice which could make the instance operators liable. This is not tolerable long-term.

I kinda do understand their stance, it sucks but its better than having to deal with legal shit.

Goodbye y’all I’m out

Thank you for the update!

I can't believe you've done this.

There is a local piracy-focused community at piracy@lemmy.world. It's pretty dead, of course, only 4 posts ever, but still. How does this square with those others being blocked?

You have won my goodwill with your track record of decisions so far. I don't agree with this one, but it is not a dealbreaker for me. Thank you for getting around to announcing this in a public space, but as you say, please make sure to do this first next time something of this caliber is put through.

Oh well, there goes the removal of my monthly donation.

From what I can see it is informational only. There is no direct content linking, this does not sound illegal.

Not even Reddit banned their r/piracy

Didn't even know an instance could block a specific community of another instance. I thought the only option was defederation. Is there any way to see/list the communities blocked by an instance?

And once again we have people thinking that the instance owners would have to discuss everything they want to do with them and get the approval of everyone. It's already great that they're making announcements instead of doing it silently until people notice on their own. Plus, it's not hard to make an account elsewhere if you don't like it here. I doubt you're restricted to this single instance.

I wish people would be more mature about their reaction to this, as well as other people's reactions, regardless of whether they agree or disagree with the choice.

I'm not opposed to piracy, though I understand the risks that come with a platform allowing potentially pirated content. While I respect the decision and see the reasoning behind it, I don't agree with it, and will likely change my home instance to one that allows me to continue communicating with those communities, as I was subscribed to one of them.

I'll still be participating in communities hosted here, and I hope that with this decision, the admins' concern about being potentially sued is substantially alleviated.

Pathetic. Defeats the entire point if federated networks.

This is how lemmy is going to fail with the entire thing being fragmented mess. Which is sad as I was hoping it would be the proper exit plan for Reddit.

So, in order to subscribe to those communities I should create another account in a different instance that either has them or is federated with them, right….? Any workaround for that? This sounds like it’s going to be a real chore to follow and will push a lot of people out of lemmy in general Edit: As it seems some people don't understand, this is not a threat, just a fact. It doesn't matter the justification, doesn't matter that lemmy.world is run by volunteers, it doesn't matter that it's piracy (or weed, or shrooms...) that's blocked. It will be a chore for everybody to have to manage multiple accounts in different instances and that will push people away from lemmy in general. Reddit wasn't important because of it's technology, it was the massive userbase and the content that provided. Pushing people back into reddit will harm lemmy and the fediverse. And all for those comunities which didn't do more than just saying "this game has this DRM" or "there exists a cracked version somewhere for this game".

Unpinned hoping this goes away?

Is there any way to migrate accounts to other instances yet?

Is it a liability when the discussion happened outside of lemmy.world?

This is a prime example of why I suspect we'll see a lot more lemmy instances with a more narrow focus over time instead of just a few super lemmys. Its only keeping them indexed that will be a problem so that they can be found.

Boooo

Was there some example of these communities violating the rules and the respective moderation teams turning a blind eye to it, or even just being abnormally slow to deal with it? Or were these communities singled out for the potential for posting links that infringed on copyright law? And which country's laws are we talking about? Were the respective mod teams and administrators contacted to work on addressing any concerns, or was this a "block first, ask questions later" scenario? If the latter-- why, and have those questions now been asked of the respective teams?

I'm just trying to understand the thought process that went into this, because from an outside observer, it seems like a knee jerk reaction. I know I'm just some average joe (har har), but I think blocking/defederating should be a tool used after dialog has failed, and not before; that doesn't seem to be what happened here, from what I see.

Well that was a stupid thing to do.

WTF. Time to go. See ya.

What. The. Fuck.

removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects

Indeed, that's the main issue, really. I think most people understand that the instance owner can make their own rules, but such a high profile instance does set some expectations regarding disclosure.

It happened before, with blocking of something on lemmynsfw, not sure what it was now. (It wasn't cp.)

We also discovered yesterday that there's a word filter.

Anything else of this sort we might wanna know?

removed again wtf

I don't begrudge your decision. To me this comes down to a question of if you're willing to be on the hook for a multi million dollar lawsuit, even if you'd definitely win in the end. It's still an expensive process.

I sure as hell am not willing to do that, so I'm not going judge other people who aren't willing either. I wish more people would look at it from this perspective.

By design, this isn't Reddit. We didn't want to be at the whims of their bullshit CEO and corporation. Unfortunately, that's also exactly who can afford to have legal squabbles and not go bankrupt. This is just a natural consequence of having a community run space vs a corporate one.

Yeah fuck off im out of here.

Reddit 2.0...already migrating off this censorship.

You can use LASIM app (Windows/Mac/Linux) to migrate your profile and settings to another instance. Highly recommend.

Pre-emptively hitting my last resort button

I don’t think this was the right call. Don’t have it hosted on here, fine. But defederated? I don’t see how being federated would be an issue at all. Oh well guess i got to actively go seek them out now.

At this rate, you might as well as defederate from all instances. Cant be too careful.

I think you need to make rule 1 more specific or create a rule for this specific issue. When I read rule 1 it seems vague but I might have a bias.

Speaking of having a bias, I don't think the liability is that big of an issue but I also understand that it is your instance to do what you want.

Thank you for being transparent and understanding that you made a mistake in not engaging the community first.

I'm curious what is believed to be the "legal issues". From my understanding lemmy.world isn't hosting any of this content it is all on other (previously) federated sites.

I'm glad this finally got posted, but really believe that this should have been publicly brought up before action was taken, not as an after thought.

Admins, you are doing a great job and it's very reassuring that you are willing to grow with the community.

lemmy.world has become reddit.

Besides the downvoting, there is not much blind disagreement comments here, nor agreement ones. Definitely a comment section worth reading. Fair points of views on both sides.

If you're looking to avoid all "problematic" content, you better shut down the service right now.

The piracy communities don't allow linking to pirated content and have broken no rules. This was tyrannical.

I'm very conflicted about this. On one hand, it's kind of bullshit to take this level of action on something that can be handled on a case-by-case basis, when the need arises.

On the other hand, I'd prefer to see Lemmy avoid the reputation that Mastodon has garnered with the activities that are vastly under moderated there. With the size that some instances are reaching obviously there needs to be a level of discretion towards the content you will allow.

It's, however, a slippery slope from protecting the community to accepting bribes for exclusive access to your user base.

"Due to moral objections, we've decided to block this meme community. However here's an alternative that will show you advertisements disguised as funny memes! They even have most of the same content as the old one! Enjoy!"

Don't let that become reality.

I‘m absolutely pro pirated software, as in many cases DRM violates many personal rights, so this decision will lead to the deletion of my account. I never support censorship. Gbye.

It's arguable, but that's what federation is about. No default instance, you pick those you want to participate in and agree with, and their admins have their choices too. It's neat.

You either die a hero...

Wonder if this has to do with Piracy instance being listed as the largest lemmy community a few days back. Guess it might attract the wrong kind of attention.

What surprises me is that people think making a community specifically for illegal activity isn't a problem, and that they should only be called on their behaviour when a copyright holder notices them. There are plenty of places to go for piracy online, so what's the need to add a community for it here? Or are you people claiming a piracy community wasn't primarily intended for piracy?

Stop blocking things. Piracy is ethical

Thanks for the links. I didn't know about these great communities (mostly because I didn't look ;) )

Thanks mom, is there anything else you want to protect our poor little eyes from?

Bwhahahahaha Reddit is more liberated than Lemmy, what a fucking embarrassment.

What's the line, self-censorship is the first sign an authoritarian has won.

Personally, I believe copyright should last five years max, but I understand this is merely a hypothesis and not everyone has to agree, but that's the beauty of mankind. Additionally, the beauty of the Fediverse is anyone is capable of finding their own safe haven which shares their views =)

Thank you for the update, and thank you for working hard to keep the gates to the Fediverse open.

Sorry you're getting so much flack from folks who don't understand how federation works.

I believe most will understand in time, and go on to become valuable additions to the Fediverse.

Hang in there, and know that the many of understand and appreciate what you're doing.

Thank you for this update and your work!

It was sad to see the level of hostility displayed in some of the threads yesterday.

You are still doing a great job as the most public facing instance, and it's good to hear you noticed the request for more transparency.

Take care!

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I suspect this won't be a popular opinion, but it seems strange to me that a lot of people are making a fuss about lemmy.world blocking communities that literally advocate for illegal practices. If you disagree with lemmy.world blocking piracy communities, where should they draw the line? Allow literally any community to be created irrespective of the legality of what its advocating for? I would presume (and hope) that you wouldn't have a problem with lemmy.world blocking CP communities for example?

The Fediverse can't function as a free-for-all. It has to have rules, and instances have to be able to police those rules for the betterment of the whole.

The last paragraph clearly shows you have absolutely no idea why people are upset.

good thing I followed the advice not to use lemmy.world lol

Awfully silly decision.

Yeeeep. I stopped using my LW account once you people simped to Facebook federation.

If you're going to ban piracy you should also ban all pro copyright communities and comments, it's only fair.

lwadmin, you are probably not the first people trying to sort out an issue like this.

Can the hosting for lemmy.world be moved somewhere where privacy laws are stronger and be payed using privacy crypto like XMR?

Would probably secure lemmy.world from more then just the piracy lawsuits, other stuff as well.

Maybe Njalla?

https://njal.la/about/

I don't think this is a lemmy.world problem as much as it's a Fediverse problem. Assuming that the only reason to block these communities is legal safety, we should figure out what is legally unsafe and see if that can be enforced on the piracy communities, or everyone in the Fediverse could also be at risk and should block these communities.

I know that the piracy communities themselves are already taking these kinds of measures to make sure they are not unsafe, so if anything is found we should solve it together. If push comes to shove, I suspect that piracy communities would rather restrict themselves than risk taking a stand and endangering others. It's not that big of a deal to skirt legal concerns while still being a useful piracy resource - /r/piracy existed in much the same state.

Just had a look there and they're talking about the removals too, someone commented saying the word 'bitch' is censored here too?

Are there any Lemmy instances that have a policy against any censorship? I'd rather use one that doesn't defederate or censor anything.

make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

Really happy to hear this. Thank you!

Personally, I think this was a terrible decision and I think it's abundantly clear you will lose users for this. I used this as the reason to self host my own instance. Good luck.

Can you also put the reason for the block on the blocklist so I can more easily see what ones to avoid? I appreciate you calling them out in the post btw, those rascals!

This goes against the principles of the fediverse, I'd expect content censorship from the likes of reddit and twitter. This feels like a knee-jerk reaction to a problem that doesn't exist on communities from completely different instances (and judging by the backlash this decision came out of nowhere without consultng the community). I seriously urge you to reconsider this decision.

Thats why you all should chose an another instance.

grabs popcorn

• me, a lemmy.dbzer0.com native

Hoping that infinity for lemmy gets multi account support so I can return to browsing whatever I want without having to switch accounts

Pathetic

Why is this not called "copyright infringement" anymore again? Where did the sea pirate association start?

Overall, I believe it was more misunderstanding for many. But I don't believe it'll happen again, your going for more transparency in the future. Although, I fully support your leadership thus far.

Not to mention super busy with everything else, keep up the great work.

All the people saying just change instances, I would and will but this being the biggest instance and calling itself the front-page of Lemmy. This sets a precedent for banning things capitalism doesn't support with out even talking to your user base. And I disapprove.

Absolutely understandable decision. I would have done the same.

How the fuck do i change instance on Sync?

Guess they deserved it because were too subtle in naming.

Definitely think you should allow them again. Obviously not on your instance but restricting access to other instances is just not right. I do understand the concern though, I really hope in the end you realllow them.

This sort for reminds me of a Sybil attack.

I think it’s a good idea for everyone to register at an obscure Lemmy instance. If everyone’s on lemmy.world, it isn’t truly federated.

Reddit allows piracy communities. These Lemmy communities aren’t hosted on your servers. That’s the whole thing - dbzer0.com and lemmy.ml are taking the risks, though there probably aren’t many risks in the first place.

What the HECK is with the people complaining and downvoting... some of the things that struck me as weird about the lemmy.world community are coming into sharp focus. lwadmin transparency and responsiveness is fine and admirable, but you don't owe these people anything lol

Probably enough for me to jump ship. The performance on this instance is a sack of shit anyways 👋

Boo. Fie and Shame upon your house.

Shame! Shame! Shame!

You kidding me? Lame.

My biggest complaint about lemmy is the lack of content and censorship.

The only meaningful lemmy is dbz0.

If i want to read about cybersec, darknet, drugs etc. Reddit has far more content and far more discussion with less censorship -- which is insane because they just about create everything now.

Why do we even need a Reddit clone as if one isn’t causing enough distress.

Oh great Reddit 2.0

ITT a bunch of fuckheads who don't understand how federation works, and thinks that lemmy should be a free-for-all with infinite 'freedom of speech'

Jesus, go host your own instances, there's literally nothing stopping you. it's as easy as editing a config file and running a single command. Why people find defederation some major sleight i'll never understand.

Because you're so scared of corporate lawsuits you may as well defederate from any union-positive instances as well.

Just to mitigate risk of corporations that wouldn't appreciate it at all. Never know when you might get sued.

Coward shit.

Well it didn't take long for censorship to roll in.

I don't get all the hate. LW is run by some volunteers. They can ban or censor whatever they want for why-ever they want. They don't owe anyone here anything. They don't really have to even say why, or when, or what communities they ban. Hell, they could ban all communities that start with the letter H if they wanted just to do it.

The people frothing at the mouth screaming about this is why I left reddit are a riot. Go back. Go to another instance. Fucking sack up and host your own instance, with hookers and blackjack. But stop demanding people you don't employ do your bidding. Would you even work for a boss acting like that?

Threads integration must be imminent. Gotta get your nose clean before the lamestream meta users come in

I'm surprised this is so down voted, I guess there's a bunch of airheads in this community

This should be more of a Matrix thing, perhaps.

This is a real shame, and highlights to me that the federation model might be wrong. If I want to access these subs now, I have to create a new account and I wish I didn't have to. I wonder if the federated part should be user federation rather than instance federation?

something something blockchain?

Sad. This instance showed me how amazing Lemmy could be. It's not me, it's you. Please get better.

I believe most users understand the difficulties and appreciate your work...
Cheers !

The logo(s) may be different, but the methods are the same.

Looks like we finally found the part of lemmy.ml that this site is comfortable with blocking.

WTF am I reading?

I have an idea. How about all of the complainers go and start your own instance and allow whatever you want. When you have 100k users good luck sleeping.

That moment when Reddit is actually better... Fuck me sideways!

Mind linking this number one rule you're speaking of? The code of conduct I find just talks about ut harassment.

We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of level of experience, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic.

Found this page on censorship, how does this fit in?

https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/05-censorship-resistance.html

I’m guessing the idea here is to eventually sell out to a corporate operator

I didn't look for that community and I may not support it... But I'll not be staying an instance that wants to censor other instances from its users. Too many other examples of things being censored by lemmy.world in these comments.

Fucking retarded. Why wasn’t there a community census in this at least?

IDK that admins should be handing out preemptive bans for fear of legal action. How about defederating from all NSFW communities b/c I could argue that the majority of their Content is not OC but is re-posted material without the copyright owners permission. Just a matter of time before someone sends a cease and desist. Or for that matter, what step are NSFW communities taking to make sure the content uploaded is consists of models of legal age? Or the content isn't revenge porn and has the models permission? Now I'm trolling here because I think your decision was dumb, my feelings about it, sorry, but everything I just described here has the very real possibility of happening. Where do we draw the line. Anytime someone posts an article and a tldr bot scraps the article and posts it in the comments are robbing the original "copyright" holder of the article of the traffic that would have gone there for people who would have read the article on the site, but have now never gone to the actual address. Like I could be one petty ass hole, actually I am here. However, all of these examples could occur, TBH probably a matter of time. So you need to do sweeping deferation to a lot of communities, or grow a fucking pair, and just take action when action needs to be taken. Whatever, i can still see it from mastodon, but still dick move guys, you were supposed to be the chosen ones, only reddits deal in absolutes.

I wish I could downvote this post from Firefish.

I'm just here so I can post the 1000th comment

Yeah no, I ain't sticking around. Next time try and ask the community on how to approach things before acting yourself.

Thank you for the publicity

Based on the down votes and comments I think a lot of people could benefit from reading the whole post...

Losers.

Good lord, what a bunch of whiny little fucks you are. Go host your own server, maybe you'll have time after Algebra class...

You are doing the right thing, assisting piracy is illegal in probably all countries. Sadly nothing but trouble would come from allowing access to those subs to continue.

Maybe there could be a legal loophole in that those subs were on a different server, but personally I wouldn't take that chance either.

Now I won't sympathize with Lemmy.world during their next DDOS attack. Solidarity has been destroyed.

Yarr. But still, I support this.

Wow. It’s amazing the replies here. If you want to steal other peoples work, then go elsewhere. No one owes you the right to steal other peoples content.

Wow, so meny downvotes... Don't people know you can just create your instance of lemmy if they don't like this decision?

I'm sure this comment will receive plenty of hate, but I'm really struggling to understand why piracy seems to get so staunchly defended by seemingly everyone here. Piracy is stealing. It is morally wrong. We can argue all day about how it's a 'victimless crime' or how media conglomerates are greedy and deserve it, but at the end of the day there's nothing that makes it 'right'. With maybe a few exceptions, no one needs the things they're pirating and it's just childish to refuse to pay for content and go on pretending it's a necessity. What needs to happen is more money going to the creators whose content we all enjoy so much.

There's plenty of places to go where you can still interact with these communities, and we shouldn't be surprised that a large and general instance wants to be distant from them. Personally I applaud the decision.

You should also remove the cached content, if possible. Also no idea about the downvotes... If you don't like the decisions that an instance makes, go to another one. It's that easy.

Interesting the level of outrage. I guess if Lemmy's userbase is heavily "Reddit users who were outraged enough to leave a private platform over entitlement towards free API access and come here" then it's going to skew heavily "easily outraged".

I don't see a huge issue really - the whole point of the fediverse is there are other instances to go to. Some of them will lean more towards covering their asses, some will pop up (and get c&d and taken down and repeat) for the illegal stuff. Some will tell bigots to go fuck themselves and outrage racists, "gender critical"s, etc about free speech (this instance literally says it's not a free speech zone so what are you doing here?). Others will happily accommodate it. Pick your poison.

Okay, downvote away, but when you get bored of clicking down arrows on everyone who doesn't 100% agree with you and actually leave like you said you would, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. You're more than welcome to take your toxicity elsewhere.

Ridiculous and lame movement.

Those are discussing communities only, not even hosted at Lemmy.world, in case something goes bad it is going to be against them not this instance.

Are you sure this is not a campaign to spread the load of the server?

Y'all harped on me last time accusing this shit hole of becoming Reddit 2.0. Guess I was right, although even Reddit allows those communities to exist. Lemmy.world is a censor-friendly waste of electricity.

Just ban NSFW instances instead for our mental health.

You guys shit the bed. Shiess the bed. Whatever you sourkraut fuckers want to call it. It would have been easier to set yourselves on fire in a bunker. Fascism is as fascism does. Tell us "it's for the greater good". You're just cutting away the undesirables. You admins do so much for our own good and we should be grateful you know so much better than we do. That's why you have all those updoots

Literally 1984

Lemmy blocked his users like that.

Reddit saved her users.
https://torrentfreak.com/reddit-defeats-filmmakers-second-attempt-at-unmasking-anonymous-users-230731/

Lemmy devs said "Just an instance did. Lemmy is not evil!" as it were someone else's issue, and blamed Reddit somehow.

Please kill yourselves, Lemmy.

Wow, a lot of angry people in the thread.

I unironically support your decision admins. Piracy is illegal and therefore unethical. There is nothing wrong with blocking piracy communities and people don't understand the legal ramifications of allowing illegal piracy communities.

Wish you luck, chadmins! 😘

Back to Reddit we go! Arrrrr