Apparent unwritten rule of "No posts about Palestine" on worldnews@sh.itjust.works
8mon 12d ago by slrpnk.net/u/Quill7513 in yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com from slrpnk.net
I was just perusing the modlog when I noticed something interesting. Apparently posting news about Gaza/Palestine is not allowed on worldnews@sh.itjust.works. I decided to check the side bar and didn't see anything. The only pinned post also does not indicate that this is not allowed
edit: the mod in question is @Eyekaytee@aussie.zone . sorry for not originally tagging. i hadn't realized it was a rule that this must be done. i thought it seemed inappropriate since i was trying to initiate a conversation about a community's rules and culture rather than start drama about an individual
I'm locking this post. This discussion has run out of its course and this comm is not the place to argue politics. Take it elsewhere please.
That a scummy move from the mod. I made a new community where both siding occupation and genocide comments get removed apologiafreenews@lemmy.world
The two mods are too very known genocide supporters so no surprise here.
Oh of course it's another goat comm
Goat just keep revealing themselves and acts like everyone else is the weird one.
well yeah, you're larping that it was me lol
you are the weird one
What's a goat comm?
Goat from ShitJustWorks, someone who is "highly interested in extremism" to use their own words. MeanwhileOnGrad is their main claim to fame here, which is an attempt to document the things Tankies talk about.
It has been a host to users using Nazi dog whistles. Goat was on Voat, the Nazi clone of reddit made when Reddit banned some alt-rignt community, and got banned from it twice.
Also tried to force guro (gore art for sexual stimulation/pleasure) onto some communities.
So goat is a person. A shite person, but... I see.
Very.
I'm not a bad person, Eugene lies about me a lot, I don't know why.
Oh shit, didn't know about the guro thing. Unsurprising though.
Wrong again. As I explained earlier, it was going to be a medical community for surgeries and trauma
I see you make lots of claims about this, but have yet to see any receipts about these "Dog whistles" on MWoG
Why would they post the dog whistles on the terrible mwog comm?
The Claim: "There's Nazi/Racist dog whistles posted on MWoG"
Me: "I have yet to see the evidence of The Claim, despite seeing The Claim numerous times, please provide your evidence"
You: trolling attempt
Meanwhile the person I asked for evidence of their claim: crickets
You: trolling attempt
Oh we're going this way, got it.
You saying you are not seeing it both does not mean it isn't there and slightly tells on yourself
The Claim: "There's Nazi/Racist dog whistles posted on MWoG"
Me: "I have yet to see the evidence of The Claim, despite seeing The Claim numerous times, please provide your evidence"
I can't see dog whistles on the comm im always on
Again telling on self
The burden of proof lies with the claimant, always
I can't see the dogwhitsles
Just what I thought, you can't produce any evidence, can you?
I love that you think anyone owes you anything
Don't make claims you can't back up then.
The burden of proof lies with the claimant
Reminder I didn't make the claim. Just pointing out it's telling when people saying they can't see dog whistles as dog whistles. Lol
There have been no nazi dog whistles. But there has been antisemitism, one of which comes from a user active in this community.
In this screenshot the user deleted their account of one-to-two years after I questioned why their response to antisemitism and holocaust denialism from Hamas was to shout zionist.
I moderate meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works very strictly when it comes to dogwhistles and hate speech.
How do you shamelessly lie about the meaning of zio. Anti zionism is not antisemitism no matter how much you try to say the opposite
Did you not read the screenshot?
The user was insisting on using specifically "zio" -- I offered them a chance that they didn't know about "zio", gave them a chance to use zionist or any other phrase, but they insisted on using the term coined by David Duke, leader of the KKK.
Zio is simply an abbreviation of Zionist . Just because kkk used the same term wrongly doesn't mean that people saying zio support the KKK. Even the term antisemite was corned by someone who hated jews and conservatives hijacked the term woke so should we also stop using them. What a ridiculous claim you are saying
I'm not the one using the exact same terminology that the KKK uses. I even said you can use zionazi, zionist, or whatever you want, but don't specifically use 'zio'
I recall that this community was upset when a user used the word 'degenerate'. If we can't use degenerate, we most certainly cannot use zio, or exclusive phrases that racists and white supremacists use.
Anti-Semite was coined by Wilhelm Marr a jew hater. Nobody in his right mind would think you should not use it to refer to jew haters . Same goes with zio people use zio as an abbreviation of zionist
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Anti-Semite was coined by Wilhelm Marr a jew hater. Nobody in his right mind would think you should not use it to refer to jew haters . Same goes with zio people use zio as an abbreviation of zionist
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whats with the fragment stuff here?
Some weird stuffs voyager client add sometimes.
Well what did you copypaste to cause that?
How about adressing my arguments?
I don't think it's appropriate to take an argument from months ago into a fresh thread.
It is ok to expose your hypocrisy since you are a mod in the problematic community and refuse to remove the other pro genocide and settler colonialism mod
disengage
Edit: <moved> incorrect reply level
Your 'whatabout' argument does not suddenly neutralize any or all dog whistles and make them OK to use.
There is no whatsboutism in my comment. Zio is an abreviation to zionist as simple as that
Your comment boils down to 'what about this other word?'. If you remove that part your comment has zero substance.
It would be whstaboutism if i support the use of zio but not support the use of the term antiemite. It is using the other logic to prove to him that just because some bad and extremist people hijacked the term doesn't mean we can't use it.
Your comment has zero substance
What about that one user for months kept saying "degenerate roaches" for months on end?
He was banned for a week, with the condition he does not use that term
Now, a personal request, can you stop calling me a nazi? And my community nazis? It's extremely hurtful. I have spent years challenging extremists of all kinds, from nazis to tankies to QAnons to religious fundamentalists. I have been banned from many far-right sites and communities for speaking against them. I helped shut down Ruqqus and /r/uncensorednews, which were crawling with neo-nazis. To then be called a nazi myself is deeply hurtful and untrue
No I don't
I moderate meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works, the largest anti-tankie community across all of Lemmy.
This makes Tankies very upset, and they often lie about posts, such as this one, saying that I was the one removing these things.
There have been no nazi dog whistles; that's a lie. I moderate the community very strictly. There was also no guro art posted, no idea where that claim came from.
This is antiyanks, a troll who follows me around all the time. Antiyanks regularly harasses random people for random reasons, he's unfortunately mentally ill. He's made a few hundred accounts and all admins and moderators have had their own stories of him. The dead children refers to the posts he's made where he DMs me pictures of dead children.
The gore community was going to be something like medical gore, an educational community about surgery and how healthcare workers handle trauma
damn, there's like a whole lore to learn here with this shit. wack
thats lemmy for you
You should be consistent and oppose Zionism which is the ideology behind the occupation of Palestine. I oppose both Russia and Israel because they are the colonial powers
i do
We literally has a discussion about Zionism where I quoted Herzl writings that show that he supported displacing people to be able to create the state and you shamelessly say that he had no influence while Israel declaration of independence mentioned him as the spiritual father of the Jewish State and allowed other zinoists to spread their propaganda in your community
he had no influence
I was quoting you when you said the Grand Mufti, Amin al-Husseini, meeting with Adolf Hitler had little influence and is insignificant
I explained to you why the Mufti has limited influence. I never said he has no influence at all. I told you that most arabs sided with the allies despite the mufti trying to make them supporting nazis. So he couldn't have all the influence you and the big fraud Netanyahu.
Disengage
lmao classic
I didn't do this, I gave the community up months ago
Which is definitely obvious when still the top mod in said comm.
Modlog is public and you can see I no longer moderate or even comment in that community, I don't care for it.
Which is definitely obvious when still the top mod in said comm.
why do you want me to leave the position and give it to ikt?
Pointing out how I never said you did anything but that it's your comm, and that would be what most people think has been done when said I gave it up
I didn't do this, I gave the community up months ago
why do you want me to leave the position and give it to ikt?
You seem to not care at all about it but don't want to give it up, odd
alright, i checked and i don't even have the option to leave lol
the only thing i can do is demote ikt or delete the community.
Or just ask the admins. It's wild how upset you are when literally listed as one of the mods.
Even here all you've done is ignore the mod doing terrible things by saying it was just them
yes i get upset when you hold me responsible for anothers actions
Where did I or others do that? Calling it a goat comm when you are the top mod?
Or others showing you picked a terrible person to take it over? Wait yeah guess would be
i can't leave the community dude, i don't even have any option to do so.
ikt was also the only one who asked for it, though I didn't interview them or nothing since I was content with keeping the comm permanently locked.
i can't leave the community dude, i don't even have any option to do so.
Just have to ask the admins buddy
though I didn't interview them or nothing
Wild thing thing to admit
i mean it's a comm that had like two posts a week lol, i really didn't care for it
Fair. You do love the attention here more than what op is pointing out
any publicity is good publicity, i reckon
it also opens up the chance for discussion and mutual agreement
Then why mad? Curious
I don't like being called Nazi
Which is unrelated to this thread simply from your own actions. Or only brought up by yourself
no it isn't. i was called a nazi before I entered the thread
"No I don't care about it at all, but I will keep it up and not do anything else. I will however spend hours defending how much I don't care."
Jesus it's up to 500+ comments. Goat going hard on their accounts
Even making new accounts to aid in spamming everyone with bad faith debate perversion and gotchas.
Oh you’re that nutcase who consider victim blaming an opinion that should be respected
Context for any other person interested : someone justified the mistreatment of the flotilla activists getting abused by saying the activists knew what would happen to them and that they are only doing a publicity stunt and the mods refused to remove it
Have some shame. I said that it is victim blaming the people who got abused by Israel and that Israel did human right abuses.
I never said that kill themselves is fine. either. Show the comment where I explicitly said it
I'm gonna side with the other guy here. You know we can see the modlog right? All I gotta say is wow.
My modlog show that i critsized victim blaming the people who got abused by Israel and called to remove victim blaming
It shows you generally being a dick to people you disagree with. One line even said "scums like you should be iced."
I only insult people defending objectivly undefensible things like victim blaming, not people who simply disagree with me about subjectivd things. People like that are scums and i will not be politically correct about it. The other guy said i should be iced first and i simply repeated his rhetoric
Escalating when someone slights you can certainly have no parallels to current events, no sir.
Prioritizing civility in discussions about a genocide is indefensible
Especially in the high stakes world of Lemmy comment sections.
"It's just the internet" is a pathetic excuse
...a pathetic excuse for not flinging insults at obvious trolls?
The internet is great for activism. You should try, you know, some focused activism.
A pathetic excuse for prioritizing civility over morality, duh
Oh what a shock, it's Goat, the known tolerator of Nazis until they get called out on it too often.
Wild but unsurprising goat only cares about clearing their good name over how shitty the only other mod is
goat loves to lie, it's like their primary method of engagement
And then say us documenting their actions (that they then go back and edit) are the real liars.
Screenshot Goat, they'll remove their posts to make you seem like you lied.
they’ll remove their posts to make you seem like you lied.
it's that or straight up gaslighting. When I called out the widespread use of 'degenerate' on meanwhile on grad being used to dehumanize whatever 'tankies' that they were sneering at, I provided 3 examples of different users doing that; one of those users in a direct reply to goat.
none of the posts in question got removed
goat has since said that 'oh it was only one user' - never mind that it was only the most egregious user out of all the examples I happened to provide (not an exhaustive list).
But he got banned for a week after months is dog whistles! That's totally being fair! Just accept months of insults and dehumanizing.
Also what dehumanizing language have we used on him? I'd love to see the full context.
I linked the post; according to goat 'a lot' of context is coming soon™ 
From the context that exists it sounds like the dehumanizing language is calling them fascists? I would love to have them elaborate so it can be addressed rather than vaguely gesturing.
no I don't like it when snark communities hold me responsible for anothers actions.
if you have a trouble with the moderation go and take it up with them, not me
Ohhhh I get it, you think this is a snark place. Or just want attention
I absoutely do think it's a snark place, yeah.
Like i'm being held responsible for actions that someone else did
Going with wanting attention
The other mod is as bad if not worse
No you don't understand he find extremism fascinating on both sides
But only criticises one, strangely enough
"I hate all extremism, I just only publicly declare my hatred for one and don't mind it when the others join me doing it."
I criticise all extremists
Extremism comes from everywhere, not from these both sides
Yeah for example you're an extreme centrist
lol whats that mean?
Well for example you're still "neutral" in the gazan genocide aren't ya?
nope. i don't approve of Israel's military actions in gaza and I don't approve of Hamas' actions either
Exactly. "Very fine people on both aide"
why do you think you need to be supportive of a military force?
Can't you be in support of the innocent?
Idealistic bullshit. When a guerilla defends people from a genocidal dictature you stand with the guerilla.
You want Palestinian to be defenseless. You want to spread the propaganda according to which the genocide was deserved because of hamas.
you don't need to defend hamas if you're for palestinian sovereignty.
Wasn't me fuckwit
Yikes, sorry for thinking the community that you're still a mod of was possibly you, especially after you've previously shown simular situations of banning people for things you don't like.
I accept your apology, can you please edit a strikethrough of your previous comment?
your are still the second mod of that community , you are still responsible
I gave the community away, and I don't plan on moderating it. I'm remaining the head moderator in case of any potential drama or mod abuse from ikt.
I will wait for you to remove the other pro genocide mod for that community
Why should I entertain any of your demands when you call me a nazi even though I've asked people not to say that because it's hurtful?
Look, I don't know anything about you, and I'm not the person who said that, new to the thread, but you said you wanted to remain head moderator in case of mod abuse. We're seeing mod abuse. It's time to kick the other one out. Refusal after being made aware of this is approval if you want to remain head moderator to remove other mods for mod abuse.
Well, it's only mod abuse if it goes against the rules they've made. If they make a new rule stating no i/p content, then it wouldn't be mod abuse.
but yeah I've brought this to their attention and told them to rework their previous rules. If they don't, then I'll be resigning from the community, as I have no interest in moderating a worldnews community
Really though it's a minuscule community, with one post per day
i think i maybe don't understand your stance. you're remaining mod there to prevent mod abuse, have asked that this mod update the rules, and if they won't, you're going to let them run rampant? what does this accomplish? why not just resign either way since that's the path you most want to follow.
not trying to criticize, i just… am very confused
- Stays to help with mod abuse
- Openly says they don't know anything about the mod they appointed
- Doesn't bother fixing anything here
- Wonders why people think they have any responsibility, when they said they appointed this person and stayed to manage mod abuse
- Wants the OP's post removed because people said this was faulty reasoning
i can't leave the mod position, I don't have any option to do so
I am still confused on what your position is. So you were saying you were leaving this comm to the other mod, that you were staying to keep them accountable, that you would resign if they didn't respond to your response to hold them accountable, and now that you can't resign at all. I'm... I'm very confused. It seems like you should elevate this to the admins, I guess?
I'm equally as confused, as I haven't moderated or interacted with the community for two years. The only time I have is when I locked the community down and ikt asked to carry on moderation.
I don't care at all for the community and I also can't leave it.
i also struggle to see why i should care or why i should do anything, i gave up the community, i don't interact with it, haven't interacted with it for years.
Don't you mean eugenevdebs's called you a nazi?
If you want to not remove him fine , don't complain after that when people call you a zionist and anti Palestinian liberation person
I also never called him one, I said he tolerates Nazis on his instance. I've called him out on it, but he's not a Nazi. Some of the people there are, and are allowed in. That's my problem.
Oh, apologies, I got you mixed up with someone else
Which two? There's three mods on worldnews@sh.itjust.works
Also I'd recommend the following comms as being pretty good:
I don't fully promise they're good as I don't usually track this stuff super closely
/edit/: added the quokk.au community since people here seem to like it
There is 2 mod accounts belonging to the same person
ah! i see
I'm biased towards world@quokk.au
From globalnews
This type of comment is why I decided to create a new community for news. Instead of criticizing Trump, some people still cry about democrats losing the election. Those type of comments would directly be removed from my community and after 3 deleted comments it's a ban
Let me get this straight. Do you want a news community where nobody can criticise the DNC for the terrible policy decisions that lost them the last election, and which they seem determined to carry through into the next election? I mean, have any Democrats have even admitted Israel is committing genocide in Gaza yet? The official party line continues to be full throated support for Zionism from both sides of the aisle.
If you're planning to go down that road you should just call it DNC/Hasbara approved news or something, so folks know what they are getting.
There's a reason leftists don't bang on about Trump all the time. It's because he's a lost cause. He's a literal fascist. Nobody on Lemmy needs convincing Trump is the worst US President in history. Imo convincing Dems they should lurch left instead of right (for once) could help win them the next election. But they just don't want to listen, don't want to change, and seem intent on ontracising the left instead of taking on board perfectly legitimate criticisms of the party's leadership and policies.
I was not clear, the thing that would not be allowed in this screenshot would be the person defending Harris. The first comment i removed was someone defending Harris in relation to the genocide. I allow opinions, i don't allow people defending objective terrible things like arming israel and support the genocide and settler colonialiam
Ok maybe I misunderstood your comment then.
Just from an outside perspective:
you're playing the same game die a different side. What kind of consistent ruleset warrants a delete and ban for this?
Power tripping for the right cause is still a powertrip.
Edit: I just realize that just leaving it like this reads purely confrontational which was not my original inten:
You can do better! If you want to have this kind of moderation that is actually fine in my book: as long as it's transparent and consistent.
The exact rule must depend on the answer to what kind of community you want to build. Openly progressive vs openly debating vs aggressively neutral for example.
I know you can do it, because anyone who has the energy to take on this endeavor has the potential to grow ❤️.
I expect we will see mrdown posted about frequently on here for being a PTB.
Why should anybody tolerate people defending settler colonialism , occupation, genocide etc?
Because anything can be framed negative and without transparency about your personal ruleset on what those empty words mean it's just Fox News brabble.
It's not about tolerating intolerance, not at all. It's about transparent consistency. That's what preventing the powertrip: rules that you create AND THEN OBEY. Doesn't matter what those rules are. But if you're definition of occupation suddenly matches Medicaid I'd the mrdown fan club then you need to support people discussing it.
That's the whole difference.
Btw your sentence a bit changed is what the trump goons actually use at the moment: "why should anyone tolerate criminals?". And those fuckers just declared anything they don't like "illegal".
That's what I'm asking: that everyone has the space to grow. That's why I recommend you to create transparent rules that you obey yourself: to not become like those shitheads. Because they are full of people absolutely sure if themselves with no way to reflect, no way to think.
Actually it is you who use trump and maga rhetoric. Trump and maga are champions of claiming to be for freedom and speech yet censor other.
Trump definition of criminals is so ridiculous. Israel is objectively supporting genocide and settler colonialism we have ton of idf whistleblower, human right reports including israeli ones , isrseli leaders genocidal statements. Same apply to russia
Oh. I misjudged you, apologies.
So you're running a shitlib echo chamber? hard pass.
If I wanted that, I'd go to lemmy.world!
It's like saying banning neo Nazi or defending Hitler make me an echo chambers. How funny how you call that a shitlib when Harris is a lib and I don't tolerate anybody defending people supporting Israel colonialism and other colonial powers like Russia
you want a news community where nobody can criticise the DNC for the terrible policy decisions that lost them the harris is not a LIBeral at all, lol.
the politics commuity is equally as problematic, with regards to calling out jewish backers of israel, getting called nazi and antisemite, referring to as the "1930s" nazi speak. also i notice its ragebait reflects r/politics alot (blame this democrat),,,etc.
can you go into more detail?
I didn't do any of this. I gave up the community a few months ago
https://sh.itjust.works/post/42512459?scrollToComments=true
I don't approve of them removing I/P related stuff
Blaming Aboriginal Australia for racism because they commit crimes. Blaming a quote “certain demographic” unquote for ruining an entire state. And just general racist shit towards them.
comment is deleted, what did it say?
How do banned mods expect to defend themselves?
that's certainly the modlog history.
I'm sure you want to correct the record in this thread that I'm unrelated to ikt's actions. There are more comments referencing me than there are comments referencing ikt.
I also notice that this post doesn't meet the posting guidelines
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There's no mod/admin listed
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There are only removed posts, no banned users.
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There's no screenshot showing the mod name
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There's an explanation for each removal
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There's no explanation as to why this is unfair.
It also doesn't meet some of the rules:
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Quill didn't receive any of these mod actions.
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There are no mod names attached
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The accused PTB also can't respond
Browsing through some of the posts across this community, very few actually meet the guidelines and rules. For the sake of transparency and the purpose of this community, shouldn't the standards be much higher?
there is an explanation for why this is unfair: the rule is not explicitly stated anywhere. it seems outwardly to be something that was arbitrarily decided and never communicated. i tried to keep it very focused on that. i'm sorry i messed up on this post in some regards, i will amend my post some more when i'm at my computer and can add more screenshots.
i was actually really trying to keep the focus on that this community is a problem instead of turning this into a "everyone point fingers!" time. it seemed to me like since this is the world news community with the second most subscribers like it would be a likely place for newcomers to lemmy to go looking for this content. i saw at the time the most recent post was from the last 24 hours, idicating to me that it was still active.
my first comment in this whole thread was drawing attention to other communities people might want to subscribe to to elevate their visibility and encourage users to subscribe to them, elevating their profile. i was less concerned with ikt defending themselves since i think they've made their stance abundantly clear through their actions and more concerned with limiting the damage done by a community that appears atop the list due to its subscriber account since everything is political and everything is propaganda.
for full disclosure, i think israel's genocide of the Palestinian people rises to the level of being world news, relevant to everyone. if it were me and i were subscribed to this comm, i'd want to unsubscribe and find other comms to join to increase their visibility rather than stay connected to a wavelength that presents a skewed view of the world via omission.
i'm less interested in reforming heavily propagandized people on a presence platform than i am on limiting the damage they can do. over the years i've reached the conclusion that the internet is not a free forum for discussion, but a great huge alleyway covered in posters. our role, as the people in that alleyway, is to make sure our view has presence so that later someone can perform the verbal confirmation that actually shifts views in the propaganda formula.
i get that the whole world is invested in what's occurring, but it doesn't give much room for other global news, which is why ikt was removing it I think
until there's a rule or a pinned post i won't speculate on their reasoning and only judge based on that actions speak louder than words
so what do you think about this community's response to your thread?
personally i am unsurprised, YPTB is quite obsessed with me
You should aim to follow the sidebar rules .
There is no "accused PTB can't respond". I don't know what either of you are talking about. We explicitly allow PTBs to respond. Just not by opening new threads about it.
Yeah, but what about the majority of posts made in this community not actually following these guidelines and rules?
I'm not as anal about rules like other mods. I understand that people often don't see the sidebars and mistakes happen easily. So long as things tend to follow the spirit of the comm, I tend to let things go or just ask the OP to amend their post. The rules are there to help people follow the spirit of the comm.
There is no such rule! Where are you peeps seeing these?!
oh there isn't? i just assumed goat was saying that based on… you know… the rules. i'm on my phone right now so i don't have an easy way to read the sidebar
goat says a lot of things...
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/55054325/21874131
He wants it removed because people are calling him out. That's why he is shifting to this post breaking its rules.
Tbf It's not his fault in this case, but he should have left the mod team to not be pointed at by mistake
He can do lots of things to improve this. He's chosing not to and then gets mad at people saying he can.
Goat is trying to get your post removed because they don't like it.
do you think this community will accept if a moderator featured in this community used your comment as an excuse for their moderation?
It depends? I think you're still under the mistaken idea that this comm judges mods on how well they follow their printed rules, rather than how much of a power-trippin' bastard they're being. A mod can have bastardly written rules and follow them to a T and we'd still call them bastards for having such rules.
such as you banning users for being libs?
Why did I just know you were simply building up to a gotcha 🙄
If you feel I'm being a PTB, make a post about it in this comm.
if you were aware of your own hypocrisy then that's on you
No hypocrisy here mate. But good to see your claim of trying to amend relations was just a lie since you're still clearly salty AF and having to resort to bad faith statements like these.
Goat is still upset, it's why they're here. No other reason.
I am upset, yes, because you and others keep slandering me with falsehoods
Goat, you really need to back off. The drama is over, stop trying to reignite it. You made your defense already, you don't need to go after db0.
very well, as long as I'm not mentioned
There are only removed posts, no banned users.
Doesn't that fall under "other sanctions"?
What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.
They can make an alt for this specific purpose, or ask someone to post for them.
Noooo you gave your community to the other genocide propagandist?
He's your desk mate isn't he?
never talked to him before
Thank you for clarifying
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com Can you please sticky my comment?
iirc, mods can't pin non-mod comments.
👆
ah bugger. do you wanna make a comment about it then and sticky that?
The OP is not blaming you. Your comment is also clearly visible as well.
okay cool! thanks pal
The zionist and US regime rats infiltrate everything.
Death to the IDF!
Free Palestine
Rare Bloomcole W
sh.itjust.works is a Nazi bar. There are some good users, but they have the most zionists, pro-imperialist users, mods, admins, etc.
PTB.
sh.itjust.works being reactionary, kinda typical.
Is just that comm shitty or should the instance be avoided too?
Off topic, but why the heck can't I see worldnews@sh.itjust.works? The instance and community aren't blocked or filtered for me, and I can load other communities like funny@sh.itjust.works. But from here, I can't see it at all. If I try directly, it just says "Error".
Works fine from sopuli.
Yeah it's weird, maybe it's .zip specific
I'm on .zip too, error here as well
Instances are able to block a specific community on another instance without defederating entirely.
It's a major bugbear of mine that people do this, but because their display name is significantly different from their username in a non-obvious way, you haven't actually tagged them. Neither has goat@sh.itjust.works.
To tag ikt, you have to do Eyekaytee@aussie.zone.
That's actually the fault of the modlog. It should not be showing a display name instead of their username.
IMO it's primarily a fault of Lemmy for even allowing users to do that, and secondarily of users for using it in a way that makes it unobvious (e.g. funny fonts, pronouns, etc. are "obvious" changes that are unlikely to trip people up like this).
oh oops. lol. thanks pal
Actually, I'm curious
Quill7513@slrpnk.net, did your posts get removed?
nope. i was looking for a good world news comm and this was the second biggest one by subscribers. i was pulling up modlogs by the top moderators' actions since you can't filter by community and i noticed almost all modlogs for this comm were like this. at no point did i think this was on you, specifically, so we are clear. i knew it wasn't you because i'm who was doing the filtering. i just wasn't trying to stir shit in that way when i see this as a community issue rather than as a specific person issue since the unwritten rule is consistently enforced
fair enough.
i've been wondering if a solution could be introducing a mega-thread for i/p stuff. I understand why ikt wants to cut back on the posts since it does tend to flood an international news forum.
What the hell even is a “Gaza head”
How do you turn being upset about citizens being starved and killed in a systematic way into “feeling holier with hateful actions incapable of civil conversation”
Seems pretty obvious that you yourself feel holier and are incapable of holding conversation if you dismiss basic respect for human life as hateful.
The hateful people are you defending a settler colonial power. Antisemite comments are removed in every post where it happen
Oh, look... a white supremacist has shown up to whine about pretend antisemitism.
Apparently there's an unwritten rule of "no comments criticizing the anti-Israel movement" in this little corner of the internet.
I think there's some colloquialism involving pots and kettles that applies here. Or maybe throwing stones in glass houses?
Do you also require:
- Palestinians denounce Hamas immediately
- Ukrainians denounce Nazism immediately
I'm Jewish, and I do not make my anti-Zionism a secret. But israel does not speak for all Jews, expecting all Jews to speak for israel is the type of isolating othering that makes people scared to live in the communities where they are. You can ask a Jewish organization what its stance is before donating or volunteering with them, but demanding Jews "own up" to Israel does the opposite of what you want. You have to understand there's two major Jewish movements in response to anti-semitism. One is zionism, which maps directly to neocolonialism and the other is Doikayt which is coalition building.
Do you think Israel should be destroyed?
destroyed? no. dismantled along with all other opressive states? yes.
Are there any states you don’t consider to be oppressive?
as with many simple questions, this has a complex answer. let's give the simple answer first and expand out from there:
- the estxistence of a state throughout history has represented opression through violence. so, no, there is not a state i believe to be not opressive
- i am also a realist. i understand that nearly all humans worldwide are subjects of states. the ones who aren't are so skirted in in their pockets of uncontacted realms that they are still impacted by one state or another. at this current moment in time, i believe the state that treats people with the most dignity is probably Mexico, though i am biased by what i experience and am exposed to. i have blindspots and may be missing another country in another part of the world that is doing a better job to represent the dignity of all people everywhere. further, mexico, as with all coagulations of power, is vulnerable to what has happened to every state everywhere eventually: a total capitulation of all values in order to please the holders of power
- there have existed non-state entities whose histories were largely wiped out by colonial powers. these precolonial groups histories still exist in the oral record and their ways of living are often the direct target of genocidal regimes. of particular interest to me are pre-colonial cambodia, puerto rico, ireland, hawai'i, and north america, however these stories of how idigenous people lived before the opressors came are hidden deep within many people's cultural identities across the globe
WTF are you talking about?
Piggy have literally beaten up Jewish Holocaust survivors for protesting Israel.
Relatively few people are pro-Palestine but lots of people are anti-genocide
You sleep alright at night? Gonna be peaceful when the end of your old age comes as it will for us all? Think real hard, you only have this one chance to be against evil. Use it. Or don't, but you don't get to pretend you didn't know. If you have a god, he is not fooled.
Also you guys sound so dumb. "Oh this is so left! We need our own platform without so many lefties!!!" "Oh there is so much pro palestine propaganda, this sucks!"
Like dude maybe you are just in the minority of shitty people with shitty ideals? Maybe that's why you can't find peers without lurking into the truly dark parts of the internet. Maybe if you actually met your contemporaries with whom you agree in real life, you would be horrified. Maybe, just maybe, the problem is you. I know, what a hard concept for a fully grown adult to grasp. take all the time you need. So work on it or decide to never be an adult. Like I said, it's not any of our problem, it's yours to live with for eternity. If "being ok with dead kids" is your legacy, stop being a pussy and own it. Tell us, tell us you like it. Say it clearly. I can clearly state my beliefs without a hint of shame. Imagine what that must be like? It's nice, you can get there too, but nobody's gonna hold your hand. This post s probably the most help you will ever get. Good luck.
whats your reasoning for this?
I'll save us all some time. They're a huge Israel supporter and the majority of their comments from the past 2 weeks are zionist bullshit.
Also a weird post comparing the Kimmel cancelation to Roseanne's, and saying Kimmel's statement about kirk was vile.
im curious, but should there be an israeli-safespace on lemmy?
I don't think there should.
Israel already has its safespace, it's called the media.
how do you mean?
Israel proponents control Paramount, Reddit, Meta, CBS and now Tik Tok. What do YOU mean? What tf do you actually mean?
That sounds an awful like jews control the media
ZIONISTS.
Do you understand that this is a word with a different meaning from Judaism? Like, if I said "Theocratic-Christian", is your first thought "Sounds like a conspiracy meant to smear all Christians."? Or do you have the critical thinking skills to understand that there is more than one sect of any religious belief? Because the other option is that you are intelligent, but just like to bend words in order to score semantic victories while your soul withers under the weight of the horrors which you choose to defend. That can't be it, I don't think you're an evil guy,
Jews have been here for thousands of years, half of my family was Jewish, everyone aside from my great-grandparents on one side died in the camps. We don't control shit.
ZIONISTS are religious ethno-supremecist racists who have been around for roughly 100 years. My grandmother is older than Israel. And the outlets which I named are clearly and objectively controlled by ZIONIST interests. If you don't like that, do something to change it instead of just pouting when others mention it.
If you hear Zionism, and conflate it with Judaism, that's not anybody's problem but yours.
Just to throw this into the mix, 95% of the Zionists I know personally are evangelical Christians with no Jewish heritage whatsoever.
Their particular death cult requires the existence of Israel as a state for their end-times prophecies.
They have no particular love for Jewish people -- and, in fact, they frequently employ antisemitic language and stereotypes -- but they absolutely love the Israeli government.
Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists used zionist to disguise their antisemitism. The belief in a "Zionist-Occupied Government" or in your case, control of international media, is an old antisemitic conspiracy theory.
Yeah I know, it's a huge problem right now. Antisemitism is rising in a dangerous way and if you want to blame someone, his name starts with B and ends in enjamin Netanyahu. Or "The Decades-Long Funder of Hamas" as he is sometimes known.
That's what I mean, this conflation with insane Zionists like Bibi or Ben Givr or Smoltritch or Larry Ellison or settlers in the West Bank with the religion of Judaism is the #1 cause of increasing antisemitism. Nothing even comes close. When humans see evil, we want it to stop, go figure huh?
Like you said "Sounds a lot like 'jews control the media'.". Yeah, because Zionists are making it their entire goal to do that. They are talking openly about it. Not Jews, Zionists. Listen to Bibi's cringy-ass recent speech about controlling the media narrative. They are saying that this is what they are doing. They are intentionally making the conflation so that people like you, can come on here and claim that anti-zionism is antisemitism. In this way, they can continue their genocide. I made my choice, because I am an adult. I don't care what they call it. Have you?
We see every day unspeakable atrocities, and the leaders of the nations responsible for this go on TV and tell us all that it is hateful to Jews if we stand against this evil because the perpetrators are Israeli. So people are given the choice, by Zionsts, to either stand against evil or be labeled antisemitic.
Do you see the problem here?
Israelis are waking up too, you ever wonder why there is always a magic reason to postpone elections whenever Bibi is on the block? He will never stop war by choice. If it stops, he retires in prison, and he knows this. He is using you.
So this Zionist-Occupied Media will cease to be once Bibi is gone?
How much overlap between antizionism and antisemitism do you think there is?
zionism is a form of antisemitism. as a jew i speak against zienism because zionism is against me. let me explain briefly the problem:
- antisemitism is a philosophy that jews have no place in the societies where they are and they should leave for somewhere else
- zionism is the philosophy that jews have no place in the societies where they are and they should leave for somehwere else
yes, antisemites sometimes use aesthetic antizionism to hide their hate as they inject it into the conversation. i've written at least one report in the last 24 hours for someone using a slur as a stand in for "zionist" that has a slightly different meaning to jews and white supremacists alike.
but that does not mean we should stop discussing antizionism, and the way you are approaching this issue in this comment is actually a problem. it reads like you want to stop the conversation to prevent the risk that an antisemite will use antizionism to spread their antisemitism. but this only supports the status quo, and the status quo is antisemitic and zionist in nature.
we live, all of us, in a world of illusory divisions that the oppressor (we call the oppressor pharaoh since our history goes back to the bronze ages, and pharaoh was the first opressor we knew of) exploits. by shutting down the discussion of these illusions, you allow people to remain in the dark. please be more open to that allowing discussion of antizionism is important and needed.
You don't see the ZOG conspiracy as antisemitic?
i do. i deeply deeply do. but the other person is talking about something else: israel and aipac feeding the ZOG conspiragy theory and letting antisemites and zionists control the narrative. the voice of many jews, jews who believe it is their role to speak against opression, are being silenced right now. a distorted view of who we are is being nomalized. no, jews don't control the media or the government. and this other poster was explicitly not claiming that. but a political ideology of hate is becoming normalized. several, in fact, in concert with eachother. to understand this it's important to understand what modern israeli zionism is and how it aligns itself in the global movement toward authoritarianism.
modern isreali zionism was cultivated in an environment of white supremacy and is a form of it. the major white supremacist champions right now are russia, the united states, and israel. overall, the media is controlled by white supremacy beneficiaries because that's what the overall global system of capital has been set up around for 600 years. zionism, being attached to that, gets to set the narrative about what antisemitism in this moment, and it benefits them to align themselves with other white supremacists who want jews to leave their places in society to go somewhere else.
the other commenter is actually doing a really good job staying on message and making it clear what the problem is they're talking about. when i see comments like yours equating discussing this problem to believing in the false narrative that jews control everything it makes me feel tired and sad. i do believe your heart is in the right place, and that you mean well, but what you are doing is unhelpful to furthering the discussions we should be having to dismantle the hate that we experience.
instead of asking if i believe the zionist occupied government conspiracy theory is antisemitic, i wish you would ponder why it is israel promotes white nationalist narratives about who jews are. i want you to think about the fact that ben gvir is called "the israeli david duke." we live in an era of systematic racism and zionism is the jewish flavor of that. israel, the white supremacist state, gets to attach their propaganda to other white supremacist propaganda because it fits in.
you do explain it nicely.
I'm curious, do you think we should start using a different term to refer to Israel's actions?
I ask since zionism, by definition, means recognition of a Jewish state. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, though I do think Israel's current actions are bad. I also feel as if it's worth mentioning that neo-nazis and white supremacists have found themselves a goldmine in spreading their conspiracy and bigotry disguised as antizionism, it's quite alarming.
so. i'm going to answer a little biased. my family is from a place in europe where religious tolerance was the norm from ~300-1883. i think a jewish state, just like any ethnonationalist state, theocratic state, or if i'm being honest any state is a mistake. i do not think zionism being equated to racial/religious violence is a mistake given that the entire project of creating a jewish homeland started with deciding if it shoud be in the levant, modern day Ukraine, or the united states. the levant was ultimately selected less based on the historical merits of some manner of landback movement, but instead based on operational military realities.
in other words: modern day israel is where it is mostly because it was assumed Florida and Lviv would be places too hard to take over via violence. i cannot endorse this course of action in good conscience. during the rise of zionism as a political ideology, another one also rose: the concept of Doikayt. zionism is neocolonialism. zionism is "we have learned the oppressors ways through the last 12k years and now it's time we were on top." Doikayt is "no one should suffer as we have and i cannot be free as long as anyone is not free."
i very much believe that safety for the jewish people will not come from a jewish state, or any other state. it will come from meeting our neighbors, making friends with them, dancing and eating with them, and helping them achieve freedom from our united opressors. the thing to understand, as i see it, is that states are illusions of order. they are coagulations of violence that mimic acting in their people's best interest not in order to provide for their people, but in order to maintain control.
so. no. i don't think we need a new word. the old word has been a problem we've been working to combat for 140 years. the old word represents an entire ideology of hate and pain that will not ever provide us the safety it promises. and if we do need a new word to describe the problems with a jewish state, it should be in yiddish to represent that zionism is not rooted in the jewish identity, but rather in ashkenazic trauma response, much as Doikayt, hereness, is a yiddish word.
i think a jewish state, just like any ethnonationalist state, theocratic state, or if i’m being honest any state is a mistake.
I agree completely. Does that include the arab states throughout the middle-east and palestine itself? These are also ethnonationalist states.
yes. i also support liberation movements in Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia, as well as movements throughout the muslim world towards progress. like i said. i cannot be free until we're all free.
but also.
i don't see how this is relevant. it seems like a form of whataboutism on the face of it and it's making me uncomfortable and reconsider what your aims in this discussion are.
I see you left Iran out of that list. Are they included?
??? they're the first nation i listed
and no one is excluded from my drive for the liberation of all people. i cannot be free until we're all free. the ones i listed are simply ones i have friends directly involved in, ones i selfishly have personal stake in because i want my personal friends to sing with joy in a safe and just world where everyone has food, water, shelter, and the right to love who they love.
oh lol, sorry i derped, was juggling multiple talks at once, wires crossed
how do you think peace will be achieved? since i just don't see it ever happening
same way as everywhere:
- solidarity of the working people
- united resistance to shared opressors
- intergenerational continuity as a bulwark against manipulation
- education as a framework against hate
- strong community defense oriented not toward the protection of capital but toward the protection of the people
- belief / faith / hope that better things are possible
all peoples of the earth are ultimately only one. it's a long road, but it's worth taking
I hope you don't mind me poking holes in your peace plan. But doesn't faith contradict the no ethnonationalism from before?
And I agree with education, but what should the response be when Hamas refuses to teach the holocaust to its people's children?
i don't see any holes poked:
- faith is not strictly a religious experience. it is a human experience. religious people engage with it and center it in their lives in a particular way, but we all engage in faith everyday. for example i am engaging right now in faith that my words have value and that saying them will provide value, that it's worthwhile to put effort towards build a better world
- i am arguing for education, not indoctrination and hamas doesn't want an informed public, just like israel doesn't. education is a framework of providing the younger generations the tools to recognize and seek truth. i'm actually even a little unsure why you brought up hamas when i have at no point provided any indication i think they're the way forward. but i'll take it on faith that you had your reasons and say that part of international solidarity is providing marginalized people the tools not to relay on exploitative groups. organized criminal outfits like the bratva, hamas, and kosher nostra thrive in hateful uneducated environments because they offer the opressed what feels like the only way to persist into tomorrow. what i am advocating for throughout these comments is to not give these groups power by empowering the people who empower them via desperation. part of how you do this is you decentralize authority, and to do that you need to teach the children how to understand the context they find themselves in
And how does one go about deprograming the masses? Because propaganda runs rampant, there's so much of it in this very thread
No, he wasn't the first colonial leader, and he won't be the last though I hope he is, he's just the leader at this time when technology has begun to allow for the live-streaming of murder. And he doubles down, and doubles down. And says "Don't believe your lying eyes, these are animals that are being killed, they are not people.". DO YOU KNOW THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THAT KIND OF TALK? The last time that kind of talk was permitted in government my family tree had an entire trunk pruned off. Don't act like any one group is sos special that they could never commit unspeakable atrocities. Ask former IDF soldiers how they feel about what they were ordered to do. Many of them vacation where I live. I talk to them, do you?
I don't know, zionist occupied media is an odd way to put it and I really don't appreciate any attempt at baiting the conversation toward hate. I know semantics are really all you have to work with when on the wrong side of good and evil, but it's obvious and annoying. Are you ok with unabashed Zionist billionaires attempting to control every part of the narrative that they can while supporting clear war crimes? You can't be for that, right? Literally spending billions in order to whitewash the perception of ethnic cleansing? Would you be ok if it were Muslim interests? Or Catholic? Or Hindu? Why? Or Why not?
To be honest, about the overlap between anti-zionism and antisemitism.... I don't think it's what you may expect. It seems as though a lot of western racists are actually pro-zionist. They don't plan on going to Israel. Look who Bibi and Trump break bread with, antisemitism does not seem to bother them very much. NICK FUENTES HAD DINNER AT THE WHITE HOUSE. This is not about the sanctity of religion, it is an imperial endeavor period. They meet with clear antisemites who support Israel, that's all they really care about. I doubt Bibi even cares about religion at all. Antizionism really ruffles their feathers though, not antisemitism. Why would that be? Now why would that possibly be? This might just be the greatest mystery of our time.
Are you ok with unabashed Zionist billionaires attempting to control every part of the narrative that they can while supporting clear war crimes? You can’t be for that, right? Literally spending billions in order to whitewash the perception of ethnic cleansing? Would you be ok if it were Muslim interests? Or Catholic? Or Hindu? Why? Or Why not?
Name a few
Let's go one-for-one. Larry Ellison. Your turn. Just so I can know that I'm speaking with a thinking person.
I'd like to hear a few more
Nope. If I thought that you were actually curious, like you actually don't know and would like to learn, I would. If that is the case, tell me. But I do not get that feeling. Because you're proving to be one of those posters who adds nothing of substance and puts 100% of the impetus on your interlocutor, as though it were my job to educate you on something about which you could easily educate yourself. One singular Google search can give you your answer, but I guess blinders are nice if you don't wanna see what's to the left or right of you aren't they? You got a brain, use it if you want to learn. Don't use it if you want to pretend that your view is and has always been the only possible truth. But don't be surprised when most people call you out. It's your life. I've wasted enough time talking to people who discuss like 5th graders because they are aware of their lack of substance.
Look, if you like your viewpoint, say it clearly. That's all. It's the internet, say you're anything you want. But stop this word game shit like you're some super N'th level guy just loaded with the best and most relevant words and expressions with which to linguistically trap your opponent. Try honesty. Try clarity. It feels nice.
I did search it, and it led me to the antisemitic conspiracy theory
I think you've consumed neo-nazi propaganda disguised as anti-Israeli propaganda. Your one example, Larry Ellison, has no direct links to any media companies or government roles.
It's not my fault you open antisemitic propaganda pages. Do you give your bank info to random pop ups on porn sites too and then blame it on your computer? Weird how you keep using the word antisemitism when we are talking about Zionism. Why is that? Do you see how the conflation can happen? Most adults know how to use google, you can find tutorials but someone might need to show you how to use youtube first.
Are you just an open liar? The first page when you search his name is plastered with the term "Media Mogul".
This is why people don't talk to you. Stop with the games or leave me alone. You convince no-one. Actually, keep it up, people on the fence can see how dumb your position sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p9Y2Sayd3k
But yeah, not a guy who is connected in any way to a government or media organization. I'm done with you. I wish you could open your heart to the suffering of the world, but it's not my job to pry it open. It's not my heart to care about.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4qwwk0g0yo
But go on, let's hear about how Fortune and the BBC are Neo Nazi propaganda outlets. You freak. Fuck you. Saying that I consumed neo nazi propaganda? If you knew me.... But of course you don't. Fortune magazine? The BBC? God I hope you're a bot because I do not want to have wasted the past hour talking to a wall. I don't want to believe that anyone could be so dense.
But if you don't want to do any genuine research, as I said, kindly walk away. Keep your horrible, awful vibes to yourself and jerk off over every meter of the Gaza strip which bears a new Israeli flag planted in a generational family home. Be shitty. Who cares about you. It's you who will need to live with this.
Quite the reaction to being challenged on your views.
Do you consider that there's any overlap between antizionism and antisemitism at all?
More of a reaction to being treated like a child, we are adults. We can talk like adults. I am not an idiot, if you lie clearly, it will be clear.
To your question, yes, I think that there is overlap. And that is the danger. I have seen more antisemitism in the mainstream in the last 3 years than in my entire life. My great-aunt burned our family documents in the 90s because she was still afraid that another holocaust could happen. I understand the sensitivity. But it can never be an excuse to do to others what was done to your people. Nobody can look at what is happening and use any other word. We are witnessing a holocaust carried out by the people from which I come. Weep, do not cheer. I think that we are on the same side. I mean, I'm sure that we have different views on the state of Israel and its actions spanning the past 80 years.
But I believe that this genocide, which we all see daily, which we cannot deny, which is ruining the emotional health of former IDF soldiers used as pawns for an imperial endeavor and destroying the lives of their cousins that they are forced to dehumanize and kill, (Again, I speak in-person with former and current IDF members, do you?) is pushing people who might not have had much of an opinion, maybe they laughed at old Jewish jokes, pushing them towards actual hate, because people like Bibi constantly conflate this genocide as a holy war for the Jewish people. When in reality it is an imperial massacre. He and others like him conflate this genocide with protecting the Jewish people. Which side are you on, antisemitism, or pro-genocide of Arabs? Asks Bibi.
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So how do we identify antisemitism within that antizionism?
I'm not a scholar on the subject, but I would say that antisemites are racist again Jews, in the same way that other racists are racist against Arabs or blacks. The exact same thing, ethnic hate. It's usually pretty easy to identify real hate. Especially if you have been following this conflict. Look into Smoltrich's eyes when he speaks if you need a reference for what hate or evil looks like. There are also plenty of antisemitic podcasters out there. The difference is noticeable.
Antizionists do not believe in the extermination of the indigenous ethnic groups who were inhabiting Palestine AT THE TIME THAT THE EUROPEANS ARRIVED, but do not hate Jews in general. Many of us are jews or come from Jewish backgrounds. An antisemite might hate that a Synagogue opens down the street, an antizionist wouldn't care, but would hate that a mosque was demolished with anti-tank mines for a tik tok video in Gaza. It's a pretty easy thing to notice.
I have living relatives older than Israel, Israel is not Judaism. We do not believe that the land being stolen should be stolen, we do not believe that the people being massacred, should be massacred. We can call it Zionism because that is the word that we have come to use, but it's good ol' fashioned colonialism with a pretty name, and we both know it. If it makes you feel nicer, let's call it settler-colonialism. No connection to religion at all.
Something like that, it's actually a very easy distinction to make. The only people that I see struggling with the distinction are Zionists.
There is always going to be racism. But my fellow human being, genocide is taking place with our money, we are doing this. We will have to die one day and answer for this, and you know as well as I on which side of the scale this will fall.
Did you hear about the ceasefire? Let's see what Israel does. Let's just see.
So we both know that this conflict didn't pop up after the 7th of October.
But before the 7th of October, was there a ceasefire present? If so, what happened to it?
I am not a scholar on the subject, but if you would be so kind as to educate me on the topics wherein my knowledge is lacking I would appreciate that.
Before the 7th of October there was a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.
Hamas broke the ceasefire with the 7th of October massacres.
Well I mean I know that.
Tell me about the Nakba? the first one.
Yes, Israel started as a colonist power, and the Palestinian people didn't yet have a national identity.
I hate this, though, since you can just keep going on and on about who started what and who owns what considering the history of the region. I love this music video since it really shows just how extensive this history is.
Yeah I know, and it almost seems hypocritical since we all basically come form colonial powers. but we used to to horrible shit all the time. We know better, we can be better. And to do it in the name of religion truly disgusts me. Like it or not, the tides are turning.
They mean there's already a lot of pro-israel sites.
they mean the big subreddits and tiktok and facebook.
If they want their own genocide denial safe space, they can create one. It may be tough, as I know they are more accustomed to moving into spaces where people already are, but I'm sure they can manage.
Same answer. They can create a new comm, not settle an existing one.
If you're asking whether that hypothetical comm should or should not exist? I don't mind either way as long as it's not used to pump out disinformation about the genocide.
do you think there should be one for Nazis?
Sorry, some trigger-happy mod removed my comment and I cannot remember what this was about.
Probably some common sense view about Israel vs Hamas that 80% of normal people agree with whereas 99% of Lemmy users are completely oblivious about.
This is a weird bubble.