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Opinions wanted!

7mon 17d ago by lemmy.today/u/mrmanager in lemmytoday@lemmy.today

Hi guys,

I wanted to ask you about our local communities here. I feel like a lot of them are not really active, and the most active one (like Conservative) has mostly locked posts, so people cant participate in discussions.

I wanted to get some input from you guys, what do you think? Should we have communities with locked posts so people cant comment? Does it still serve a purpose? Or should communities always allow discussions? My own opinion is that they should.

And should we clean up communities and remove inactive ones, making more room for local discussions?

The reason I started thinking about this is because I noticed that some other instances remove posts that are completely legal to discuss. They are just removed because admins/moderators dont like their content. Which is exactly like on reddit then.

This just popped up on my "Home" feed, but I see it's an older post.

I tend to agree that communities should have commenting open. If they don't want comments, then social media isn't the place to post.

In terms of removing posts: my opinion is if they are legal to discuss (as you mentioned), and they're not harassing folks, then they should be allowed to stay.

Thats interesting, I created it 5 minutes ago. How old does it look?

Thanks for commenting!

As it turns out, I'm just an idiot.

The "4m" meant 4 minutes...not 4 months 😬.

I think its just not good design. The user interface probably should type out "4 mins" instead of "4m"...

But its not a major problem. :)

I don't think posts should be locked.

Good moderation creates good communities

If it were simple an LLM would do it perfectly

Always had a lot of respect for the way Hacker News is moderated. Just like you say, good moderation there has created a gold mine of good discussions.

I wanted to get some input from you guys, what do you think? Should we have communities with locked posts so people cant comment? Does it still serve a purpose? Or should communities always allow discussions? My own opinion is that they should.

I don't have any objection to them as long as people aren't trying to "eat up" community names en masse or something, and I don't think that there's some raging torrent of people wanting to run discussion conservative communities that this is blocking. I mean, I'm not really very interested in no-discussion communities myself, but I don't think that they cause any particular harm. There are probably some people who are just fine with an RSS-feed-style thing. And I'd expect that a minority of communities would fit my particular tastes.

I don't have any objection to the admins saying that they don't like it as a matter of policy, though I think that in practice, it's going to likely result in the mod placing restrictive rules for discussion (like, I'm assuming that he wants to run his conservative community without a lot of political disagreement) and an enforcement headache.

And should we clean up communities and remove inactive ones, making more room for local discussions?

I would personally suggest doing this on a lazy basis. I mean, I don't think that inactive communities hurt unless the moderators are inactive and there are moderators who do want to actively moderate. If someone wants to take over moderation, can just accept a request to take the thing over. It's easy enough to sort communities by activity to find active ones if one wants.

I do think that there's maybe some argument for proactively removing "throwaway" communities that are named something like "test37" and have one post and are clearly never going to go anywhere.

The reason I started thinking about this is because I noticed that some other instances remove posts that are completely legal to discuss. They are just removed because admins/moderators dont like their content. Which is exactly like on reddit then.

It's your instance, so your call. If you want all communities to be explicitly light-touch moderation, your call. Personally, I think that restrictive moderation is fine, as long as I'm not restricted from using a light-touch moderated community. I mean, I don't really like moderation and admin stuff on lemmygrad.ml, but I also don't really think that defederating from it makes sense. It's just one more option, and clearly some people do like that sort of thing. Same deal with local communities.

That being said, it could also be that having an explicitly-permissive-communities instance might be valued by some users. Like, lemmy.blahaj.zone is a trans-oriented instance. pawb.social is a furry-oriented instance. Might be that some users would like an instance where moderators aren't allowed to restrict discussion like that. Not really something that I'm hankering for, but there could be users who want it. Part of the benefit of having a bunch of instances on the Threadiverse is that it's possible to try doing stuff like that, and if people don't like it, well, also a bunch of other instances to put a community on.

Thanks for your input!

I think you are right about this. Anyone can create a community where posts are allowed to be discussed if they want to. It doesnt create any harm to let locked communities exist, if an open community can be created by someone else.

I also agree with you about moderation. I dont like certain instances, but I believe it must be up to the user to decide if they want to see content from there. It would otherwise be like trying to stand outside a store I dont like, and blocking people from going in there, because I dont like the store.