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a little question about ai slop and the impact it may or may NOT have on future generations.

5mon 25d ago by lemmy.ml/u/DylanMc6 in socialism@lemmy.ml

i think that the future generation who's raised by ai slop made by clankers would end up supporting a future fascist regime in the us.

how do you think this can be solved?

AI is a tool with certain use cases. Under capitalism, it's used as a vessel for investment and is thrown into everything like a broken, false panacea. Under socialism, it's already being used to help identify patterns, automate production, and is seen more as infrastructure. The over-application of AI to areas it does not meaningfully aid, and in many cases is a detriment, is an issue far larger in capitalism than socialism.

The importance of education and cultural hegemony isn't in the tools themselves, necessarily, but in the class struggle of the state. AI wasn't needed for bourgeois hegemony and fascism in the US Empire, the bourgeoisie used the tools they had. We fight this by mastering the tools they use and correctly agitating among the people for better.

the weirdest part is that ai slop is also being used for stuff like films, tv shows, commercials (yes, commercials - like in coca-cola and mcdonald's), merch, music, and even kids' material (like in youtube kids). there's gonna be a future generation of people who were raised on ai slop to a point where they CAN'T even tell if something's made by ai or NOT. seriously!

Yep, it's presently being over-applied, but that doesn't mean that's permanent.

Yeah its sick. And people don't even see it, which is scary. Im not susprised though. We said even when the internet began, dont trust it. We need to go back to not trusting it.

Hopefully the next Gen of kids do revolt against it, and i think they will. We need to keep reminding them what they were robbed of that we had (awesome internet, very few ads, media you actually own, no subscriptions, no data harvesting, no surveillance, not to mention less billionaires) otherwise they may assume life was always like this. Keep reminding them how great we had it, how the billionaires destroyed it, and how to get back to a better world in the future.

We don't need to move the clock backwards, but forwards, into socialism. Life was not better evenly in the past, and we cannot simply "get it back." History progresses, and trying to move backwards is reactionary, rather than revolutionary.

Sure, I think we can have both. I want to move back in the form of no walled gardens , less social media, media that we actually own, no intrusive ads, no data centers, third spaces, arcades. etc

Im not saying we need to destroy our smartphones and go live in a cave. But we need to educate people on all of the good things of the past that were lost, so we can get them back, and create new things.

I often hear even young people say "everything sucks now" which i agree with and try to explain, well, thats because of billionaires.

Im biased because I generally hate new things because they are designed only for greed, and I find nothing wrong with using old things that people think are obsolete because a corporation told them so. Example, people having big regrets that they tossed all their cds and records. I didnt, because I knew corporations would ruin streaming and besides that streaming is basically robbing artists. Thats another discussion lol.

You're confusing the problems of capitalism, and technological development under it, with technological advancement. We need socialism, not a rejection of modern tech, to reshape how we use tech.

I agree.

Ill always just enjoy older tech, I always have! Unfortunately America is never going to latch onto the idea of socialism. Its completely demonized here and people believe you need to work to live or youre lazy.

I disagree, regarding socialism. Everything is in constant motion, and gradual quantitative buildup results in qualitative leaps, like blowing up a balloon and it popping. This is the advantage of dialectical materialism, as imperialism and capitalism decays and the class struggle heightens, the proletariat in the US Empire will gradually come to socialism.

I hope youre right! But the majority of people sadly are uneducated and unwilling to learn in this country.

My guess is late stage capitalism will result in mass starvation and then riots. Then a new system will emerge (hopefully a good one, but thats not usually how humanity does things). I think id guess 30 years that will happen.

People's thoughts depend on the conditions of their existence, already we are seeing a collapse in red scare propagandizing.

But the majority of people sadly are uneducated and unwilling to learn in this country.

I can’t speak to those unwilling to learn, but for those who are, @Cowbee@lemmy.ml is happy to provide reading lists.

Yep! Here's my intro ML reading list for anyone that wants it.

how are we gonna teach all that to the next generation of kids who may be uninformed about it and say stuff like "what's a 'physical media'?"?

Its not hard to teach kids not to be dumb.

When I was 6 I was already well informed on books, what a typewriter was, and what a phonograph was. (Both over 80 year old tech at that time.

I think if less people shoved an iPad in their kids face, it would help.

One very easy example to show the importance of owning media: unplug the router (and take away the phone, which kids shouldnt have either unless its just a flip) teach that subscriptions are just paying to use someone else's computer. Nothing more.

well i started using a pc when i was a toddler, and i remember watching vhs tapes when i was a kid and such. seriously!

Exactly! Its just a matter of teaching history really. Its of course easy for me to say because ive always loved learning about the history of everything and how things started.

Would be no different than a kid today playing forknight and having the curiosity to go huh I wonder how they made this game, and then I wonder how they made all the games before that, and wow, THATS how hard it was to make crash bandicoot? That's amazing!"

Really its just teaching them that learning and curiosity are good, and boredom is a good thing that leads you to discovery. The constant dinging and social media addiction of smartphones is a cancer.

what if some kids sees unplugging the router and taking away the phone as a step too far in parenting?

My reaction to that is theyre a spoiled brat. Seems harsh but I stand by it.

Theyre not entitled to a phone or internet.

However, I wouldn't frame it that way. There's really no need to do that if they are indeed using the tech for good. If all theyre doing is watching ai slop videos and brain rot and talking to bots online, then thats when id stop it and explain why.

It also helps to have a house full of fun stuff that requires no internet connectivity.

is it weird to devote one's time to teaching kids about socialism/communism in their spare time? if so, do you have any reasons why?

Im not the person to ask for that as im not very educated on it myself but I would say there is never a reason not to teach kids stuff. Especially in a misinformation world they will grow up in.

If you want a place to start learning, I wrote an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list.

Fascism isn’t a grassroots movement, it’s an astroturfed one, funded by the bourgeoisie. The problem isn’t the tool (AI) so much as the user and their goals. Bourgeois think tanks & media outlets, like for instance PragerU, are going to produce & distribute reactionary content regardless of what tools are available.

I think it’s best not to adopt this slang term for AI bots given its racist origins.

  1. i know that fascism is NOT even grassroots. would ai (the most dangerous parts of it) enable fascism, given how astroturfed it is?

  2. is there any reason why you linked that article?

  3. so what should i call ai bots? bleep-blorpies? tinskins? wirebacks? metallions?

Definitely not wirebacks.

would ai […] enable fascism

Sure, but it can also be used for socialist agitation.

is it okay i can call ai bots "bleep-blorpies", "metallions", "botties" or "robotholes"? is "tinskins" NOT okay?

I haven’t looked into the origins of this latest list of terms, but 2 slurs have already been ruled out for their racially charged ties to other slurs and the tendency people who use them have to use them in ways that “pretend at” racism (i.e. saying that AI should be “segregated”) and that alone makes me wary of people who want to make up some slurs for AI, even if I generally find that it’s being used for things it’s wildly unsuitable for.

you mean "clankers" and "wirebacks"? so i CAN'T say that ai should be "segregated"?

Do you seriously not see the racist connotations? You can absolutely say that AI should be segregated. But I will assume you are a racist who wants to get away with “pretend racism” by directing it at AI instead of just being openly racist.

i'm NOT prejudiced in any way, shape and form. i care deeply about equity, inclusivity and freedom. that said, i read the npr article that you linked, and i sincerely apologize for saying words that were used against ai, but were used for microaggressions.

i am against the idea of ai being used for profit and such which is why i asked that question. i sincerely hope you forgive me. oh and are there any words i should use against ai chatbots? i'm NOT even sure if i ask if i can say 'bleep-blorpie' for ai bots.

I didn’t link the article, but I’m glad to hear you’ve read it now.

i care deeply about equity, inclusivity and freedom

To quote someone else in this thread:

Why are you worried about virtue signaling.

You’ve frequently made claims about things you care about, or believe in, but your words come across as empty when you fail to understand or reflect on or understand how the things you say come across as racist (or Zionist).

i am against the idea of ai being used for profit and such which is why i asked that question

Ok, great, but why did that need to be expressed using terms that are heavily tied to a history of racism and oppression? You can say it just like you did here and not equate a hatred of how AI is being used with a hatred of people.

are there any words i should use against ai chatbots? i’m NOT even sure if i ask if i can say ‘bleep-blorpie’ for ai bots

I don’t know - what’s the origin of “bleep-blorpie”? Is it a permutation of some slur? Is it something that you will use in a way that is “pretend racist”? If so, seems like a bad idea to me.

  1. i'm NOT sure who linked the article in the thread, i forgot. that said, thank you!

  • why did they say 'virtue signaling' (a term used by conservatives)
  • do you have any reasons why? can you explain?

  1. let me ask the question simply in different wording: "if ai continues to be used for kids' media and that leads to future generations NOT telling whether something is ai-generated or NOT, would these generations become more susceptible to supporting authoritarian or totalitarian forms of government (ie: fascism)?

  • "bleep-blorpie" is just a term i made up for ai bots. i thought about using it as a derogatory term against ai bots, but i think "bleep-blorpie" is best as an affectionate term. if i wanna talk about ai bots critically, i'll just say "ai bots" or "ai chatbots".
  • can i repost that question in the wording i've provided in this comment?
  • do you accept my apology for saying words used against ai chatbots that were unintentionally used as microaggressions?
  1. do you think i should study socialist/communist theory a bit more?

They said virtue signaling because it’s the essence of what you’re doing - declaring that you express a set of viewpoints rather than actually demonstrating your belief in them through your words and actions.

I don’t personally see any reason to start another discussion with slightly different wording.

I don’t believe you need to apologize to me. If you need some acceptance of your apology, I give it, but I see that acceptance as meaningless, personally.

You’ve asked many times whether you should study more theory and I don’t think I’ve ever seen any variation in the answers. Perhaps instead of asking whether you should, just do.

Current LLM technology would be a GREAT librarian or archivist.

If it was properly trained to give sources and only use existing texts for the basis of their answers, and they were trained on academic books, articles, manuals, blueprints etc.

You could download one to a computer or smartphone and have every village on earth be capable of building their own power sources, wells, learn about science etc etc.

It shouldnt try to be a “doer”, a coder, a marketer, a writer etc.

But it could basically be the best search engine for texts and guides ever.

i think ai should be used for quick web searching, recreational fun in the comfort of your home and such, but NOT for replacing human talent and NOT for profit (ie: the coca-cola and mcdonald's christmas ads). seriously!

The issue with “AI” as we have it is that capitalism exists and is the prevailing system around the world. That’s it. Like all tech basically. It only sucks because the worst people control it and use it to make themselves even more powerful.

does anyone really think i should study socialist/communist theory a bit more?