The US Attacked my country...
5mon 15d ago by lemmy.world/u/NONE_dc in actually_infuriating
I don't care about Maduro, as far as I'm concerned, they can shoot him if they want. What matters to me is walking through the streets of my city and seeing the faces of fear on my neighbors. The military patrolling to prevent looting due to panic. It's a collective hangover, a horrible one.
It's 2016 all over again. It's seeing despair entering the circulatory system of all Venezuelans, only now it's more sudden, and we are painfully aware of it.
This is far from improving, and we know it.
It's bullshit and I don't understand why our Congress is letting him do this. It's unjustified and illegal.
Because your congress is deepthroating that fucking child rapist. That's why.
Not just him, every billionaire gets their turn.
They're all way too old for him
What about your military staff (Generals and the likes) Aren't they supposed to refuse illegal orders even from potus?
Aren't they supposed to refuse illegal orders even from potus?
Yes. Yes they are supposed to.
All the ones that would, have been replaced.
That's why I get pissed about stories of the variety "X resigns rather than follow administrations orders". People seem to cheer when that happens because they see it as people pushing back on illegal orders, but they're not. They're just bailing from responsibility when they were one of the few people in the position to legitimately be a stopgap on this runaway power abuse. In resigning, they've just made it easier for a loyalist or morally corrupt replacement to come in and roll out the red carpet to the autocracy. Stay right where the fuck you're at, plant your feet, and tell them that you're absolutely not following illegal orders from anyone. That is worth cheering.
Resigning instead of refusing an illegal order is a betrayal of their oath to the constitution, and a betrayal of the American people
This. It’s not upholding the constitution, it’s standing back and watching it get fucked, while selling books or speaking engagements.
I don't disagree, but then they get dishonorably discharged, lose their pension and benefits, a loyalist is put in their place and the end result is the same except that they're worse off personally. I can absolutely see that the better option for them is to resign and make a statement rather than going hard-core and fight it. Unless they plan on a full-on military coup.
Apparently their main guiding moral is greed then.
Bit harsh IMHO.
It's being human. Not everyone is prepared to throw away the future they planned for and have been working towards their whole life on principle, especially if the end result of that action is bugger all.
I might not agree, but I get it.
These high level guys have the wealth to sue for their pensions. Courts will restore them if the orders they refused were illegal.
Courts will restore them if the orders they refused were illegal.
Will they though? Pre-Trump, probably. Today? I wouldn't bet my future and retirement on it.
SCOTUS, no, but I’m pretty sure this would be a civil lawsuit.
Well there's plenty of us who never got a single second of the "future we planned for". Sure its a bummer to have something you thought was nice and have it turn into something awful, but that doesn't mean you should turn a blind eye towards your morals. Doubly so if you happen to be in the military.
So then you might understand that if you're in the lucky group who is on track to get it, it might be hard to give up?
No I'm saying that is a selfish and greedy viewpoint. It only holds up if you only think about yourself and your own family. If you are in the military, you should be concerned about more than those in your immediate circle. Joining the military for selfish reasons is absurd already.
I'm sure there are as many reasons as there are people for joining the military. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that I understand their rationale. If I had to choose between ideological purity and comfort for my family I'm not 100% sure what I'd choose. I'm human after all, and looking after your loved ones absolutely comes first.
I currently have limited the comfort of my family due to the inability to make a large salary without betraying my morals and values. I'm not even in the military and I can realize that its better to show my children what is right rather than make excuses so they can have the easiest life possible.
Edit: apologies if it seems Im attacking you directly.
Right, but you can see the difference, can't you? They quit because they couldn't continue because that would put them in the position where they had to betray their values or their future for no gain.
I wish every single serviceman would have said "No, we're not going to murder civilians", but that didn't happen either. I respect those who stepped away more.
I'd argue the no gain part but it is true nothing is guaranteed. Its still an abandonment of duty either way in my opinion, but it is definitely worse to stay and just go along with things so there's that.
Except the supreme court ruled no order from the executive branch is illegal
I know youre being funny about it, but I need to point out the officer's oath is not to the president, and the supreme court is irrelevant in this.
Specifically any orders which violate the constitution, federal law, or (specifically an "or" here, not "and") international law should be refused. Typical examples are torturing people who are detained, targeting civilians, etc.
Not exactly. They ruled the president cannot be prosecuted for illegal acts taken in the capacity of president. So it's more "he can do illegal shit and we can't stop him" and less "anything he does it automatically legal". So refusing an illegal order would presumably still be a valid route of action.
But from what I know about the military, they can just punish you in some other capacity even if what you did is technically legal. Ie reassigning you to some shit duty or miserable location.
- “Fascist to the core... the most dangerous person to this country.” — Gen. Mark Milley, Trump’s Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Highest-ranking military officer). Status: Trump has suggested he should be executed for treason.
- “He fits the general definition of fascist... he certainly prefers the dictator approach.” — Gen. John Kelly, Trump’s White House Chief of Staff and retired Marine General. Status: Trump has attacked him as "dumb," "weak," and a "low life."
- “Effort to subjugate American democracy by mob rule, was fomented by Mr. Trump.” — Gen. James Mattis, Trump’s first Secretary of Defense and retired Marine General. Status: Trump labeled him the "world’s most overrated general."
- “I do regard him as a threat to democracy... I think he’s unfit for office.” — Mark Esper, Trump’s second Secretary of Defense. Status: Fired after refusing Trump's order to "just shoot" protesters in the legs.
- “His sense of betrayal drove him to abandon his oath to ‘support and defend the Constitution,’ a president’s highest obligation.” — Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, Trump’s second National Security Adviser. Status: Publicly attacked by Trump as "naive."
- “Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States.” — Mike Pence, Trump’s Vice President. Status: Trump has spent years attacking him for refusing to overturn the election.
- “A consummate narcissist... our country can’t be a therapy session for a troubled man like this.” — Bill Barr, Trump’s second Attorney General. Status: Trump has called him a "weak," "lazy," and "RINO" coward.
- “I understand what you want to do, but you can’t do it that way. It violates the law.” — Rex Tillerson, Trump’s first Secretary of State. Status: Fired; Trump called him "dumb as a rock" and "lazy."
- “He has never cared about America... his conduct and mere existence have hastened the demise of democracy.” — Ty Cobb, Trump’s White House Lawyer during the Russia investigation. Status: Dismissed by Trump as a "weak lawyer."
- “He makes up what he wants to say... how little of American history he knows.” — John Bolton, Trump’s third National Security Adviser. Status: Trump calls him a "wacko" and a "disgruntled boring fool."
- “We don’t take an oath to a wannabe dictator.” — Gen. Mark Milley, during his farewell address as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Sadly a good chunk of the good ones were fired, and the others are too scared about their pensions to do anything. The rest have been installed by our glorious dictator and also suck his cock on the daily.
He's been getting rid of those guys since day 1. Undoubtedly they came in with purge lists.
And then of course they gave this operation to a loyalist.
Yes, they are supposed to. They also are trained to follow orders, and much more vigorously.
But generally, overthrowing governments that oppose the USA is seen as routine. We do this frequently.
but they also have alot of trump supporters in the military, im not surprised.
Congress has not wanted the responsibility to declare war that the Constitution gave them in Article 1 Section 8.
Ever since the civil war, Congress has handed more and more military power over to the Executive branch.
No country actually declares war anymore. From Wikipedia:
Declarations of war have been exceedingly rare since the end of World War II.[3][4] Scholars have debated the causes of the decline, with some arguing that states are trying to evade the restrictions of international humanitarian law (which governs conduct in war)[4] while others argue that war declarations have come to be perceived as markers of aggression and maximalist aims.
That part of the US Constitution is irrelevant nowadays and should long have been updated to require any foreign (or domestic) military operations to be first approved by Congress, not just declaring war. Doesn't make your point of Congress granting ever more rights to the President irrelevant though.
Yeah, declaring war is only more than just words insofar as there are laws that require a declaration before certain activities or uses of powers.
Congress has allowed the president and executive branch agencies to strike other countries, kill non combatants and soldiers, occupy countries, kill Americans, and operate torture sites without needing a formal declaration of war. There are several relevant acts of Congress, but the clearest example is the Authorized Use of Military Force. We're still using it 25 years later and Congress keeps reauthorizing it and allowing more and more broad interpretations.
We invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, and bombed several more countries in retaliation for 9/11
If you don't understand then you haven't been paying attention to US history.
It’s bullshit and I don’t understand why our Congress is letting him do this. It’s unjustified and illegal.
You still haven't understand yet that your government is rigged as fuck?
The same congress that was totally cool with the Trail of Tears? I think people forget that there were people living here already and that the US has been invading sovereign nations to enrich white people since they stopped doing it in the name of Britain a few hundred years ago.
No, that was a different Congress. Roughly the 17th through 26th. This one is the 119th. They’re cool with different types of awfulness.
Native Americans didn’t get the right to vote until 1975 and 100 years after the promise we still don’t have voting members of congress. It’s the same congress.
The trail of tears was 1820-1840. It’s not the same congress, there’s a new one every two years.
You're being pedantic. The point is obviously that it's the same institution with the same rancid values, not literally the same people.
I mean, it’s not though. Things have changed in the last couple hundred years. Some for the better, some for the worse. But it’s not the same, just like it’s not the same as even 30-40 years ago.
It's still an institution based on capitalism, colonialism, imperialism, and white supremacy. As is the whole country.
None of those things have changed.
The US has done it before. More than once.
$960 billion US defense budget was passed by both parties. There you go and yes, it is fucked up.
This is what has been cooking since 9/11/2001.
The AUMF grants the president the ability to just do military shit if it is in defense against "terrorism".
Since its passage in 2001, U.S. presidents have interpreted their authority under the AUMF to extend beyond al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan to apply to numerous other groups as well as other geographic locales, due to the act's omission of any specific area of operations. The adoption of this law does not require the targets to be state actors, but can include non-state actors, such as individual persons. In December 2016, the Office of the President published a brief interpreting the AUMF as providing congressional authorization for the use of force against al-Qaeda and other militant groups.Today, the full list of actors the U.S. military is fighting or believes itself authorized to fight under the 2001 AUMF is classified.
It should have been updated and repealed before G. W. Bush left office but it was left on the table and every president has used it.
During his first term, the Trump administration officially accused Maduro with "Narco Terrorism". I wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan all along. It's a stretch, for sure, but all that seems to matter to the GOP is having some speck of legal cover and the corrupt SCOTUS does the rest.
He went around Congress. It was an illegal action. Congress may try to do something to stop him, but my odds are on the Supreme Court intervening to let Trump continue to do whatever he wants.
As others have mentioned, it's most likely legal under the AUMF.
Drug war is also legal. Slavery was legal. Legal doesn't mean shit. But it is, probably, legal (under US law, definitely not international law but the US doesn't give a shit about that).
You still don't know? Republicans are all complicit in it so they refuse to use their control of Congress to do anything. Republicans don't care about the law they only care about them having power.
I think you may have assumed America hasn't always been a Mafia and most people in the government are just as naive as most of us regular people.
Congress is held by GOP at the moment.
The Democrats have overseen scores of absolutely illegal military operations by both D and R presidents
Everyone needs to stop paying attention to the magic act going on center stage and go see what’s going on with the group behind the curtain.
Because they support it.
I'm sorry. What we're doing is wrong. It shouldn't be happening.
It's not "we". It's about 7 people.
It's we. It's our government. It's our country. Any action or inaction is on all US citizens.
As a Native American… no.
You get a pass.
Agreed
Settler-democratic imperialism kinda disempowered you, so your no counts big, but sadly not where it counts.
Unless you pay American tax. That's what puts the blood on your hands... Funding it. That's an unfuckwithable fact.
Lawsuits are already in place to remove tax burdens from Native Americans following the McGirt decision.
Good to hear!
Will have to look into this. Though I assume it's more for those in reservation/tribal lands? I am in the rolls but not the reservation myself.
Well, the alternative is basically suicide by starvation, suicide by other means, or becoming a mass shooter. You over-estimate how much others can do.
Fuck that, I didn't vote for the people making these decisions.
The State gets legitimised by more than just voting.
Cool, spread that blame around on every country that legitimizes the US by recognizing its sovereignty and cooperating with its military and every citizen of those countries.
EU, Russia, China, UN et al cannot legitimately make a constitution for the US. Hell, they even let West-Germany after freaking WW2 have their own constitution for a reason.
I can't make a legitimate constitution either, any amendment requires 38 of 50 states to agree! The entire system was built to disproportionately empower rural areas because we "needed" their economic support to break free from Great Britain. (And we had substantial foreign assistance in that endeavor)
Think inside the box speedrun
Forgive me if I'm not receptive of people thousands of miles away from me telling me I should go get shot by a fascist government or else it's my fault they're evil.
I'm sorry, if I made you solely responsible for "your" country's government's actions, I didn't keep attention to the handle. As I see it, federal and federating states, the two US parties are co-enabling each other and as a result, no one can really vote about a political system change. AFAIK, peaceful change has happened before, where they had some sort of constitutional assembly. Sure, given the unequal political mobilisation status atm, it seems unlikely, but if such ideas are unthinkable in the rigorous definition of the word, long term or massive violence will be likely, because no system is forever. Again, not your fault or sole responsibility, beyond "your" country identity, read: you as part of 340,110,988 people ± your sociopolitical power. Don't get shot.
You are exactly as capable of flying to Washington DC and "storming the capital" as I am and the result would be identical.
Come get your boy Rupert Murdoch and his spawn then since we're cleaning up our own messes, or is the architect of contemporary right-wing media control my responsibility as well?
Nice b8 m8.
We do
It takes more than 7 people to produce a fighter jet.
It takes more than 7 people to launch, fly, and navigate a fighter jet.
It takes more than 7 people to kidnap an acting head of state.
The US military is complicit. The US military infustrustrial complex is complicit.
I'm not sure if I would consider US voters complicit, most of us are rendered powerless by the current electoral system, but we've sure got a lot of blood on our hands.
The us is a country of what? 400M people? Are you telling me 400M people can't just kick those 7 assholes? Nah mate, it's "you". Because if it's just 7 people, then it's still "you" who are letting them do this.
Correct.
I am an American, and I keep trying to explain to other Americans that nobody else is going to fucking care for 99% of our personal excuses, for all the details of why we are not right this very moment overthrowing our very obviously demented and evil, fascist dictatorship, which is in command of the most capable implement of devastation probably ever seen on the face of the planet.
My personal excuse is that I'm literally crippled and broke and actually can't physically do much, and I spent the last decade + warning everyone that somewhere like this was where we were headed if we didn't collectively pull our heads out of assess...
...but I entirely do not expect any sympathy or special consideration from any other country or its residents.
We had everything.
And it wasn't enough, we threw it away in for greed, overconfidence, and frankly just a lot of racism, hatred and ignorance, wanting to just really truly feel superior to ... some other kind or group of people.
We are a contemptible nation of idiot narcissist hypocrites.
Pariahs, a single generation after largely being viewed as heros.
Its truly pathetic.
You should watch "century of self" by Adam Curtis. It's on YouTube and other sites.
Even when things were "good" it wasn't honest or genuine. It was still just "the game" owned by evil.
Oh I've been rewatching that whole series, at least once a year, for around a decade now.
Same with the original Cosmos, a few other kind of similar gems.
Those were the kinds of things I tried, and failed, to inform other people of, why they were important.
Vast majority of people didn't care, told me I was overworrying and being catastrophic or conspiratorial.
...
Anyway, your user name.
God?
God was a dream a good government.
He fulfilled the innate social desire of humans to judge, and be judged. Without some way of fulfilling that desire, the cohesion of human groups is impossible.
God is a dream of order and purpose.
-- paraphrased/bastardized from the prototype AI Morpheus, Deus Ex, 2001.
We weren't any better societally with a collective agreement on God, from the history I've seen at least.
It's a fantastic scene in deus ex, though.
We will indeed soon have our new God, and we are indeed building it with our own hands.
What was it, a week ago, Joe Rogan is seriously positing the idea that... if Jesus came back, he'd come back as an AI?
The tech C suites clearly are already members of the AI-God cult, get ready for that kinda thing to get more and more common amongst us proles.
Cults tend proliferate in times of great change, hardship, and uncertainty, and quite literally, any half charismatic wacko can just make one up.
400M people distributed over an insanely large landmass with low population density and sky-high levels of income inequality preventing ease of travel to DC. Also representation is incredibly distorted depending on state of residence and direct citizen influence at the national level is nonexistent.
Nope. I'm doing my part. The general public isn't personally hurting enough to take action. People are generally selfish when it comes to caring, if they have food, shelter, relative safety, etc. then they don't care about anything else. All of that is starting to go away, which is why we're seeing more and more actively protesting, but it's still not enough. It's growing though.
Also it's not 7 people enforcing it, it's 7 people making the decision in the first place. The State has a monopoly on violence, and they use it to prevent the People from doing anything about their decisions. That's why democracy was such an amazing invention, since it allowed non-violent decision changes.
those who cannot reach the grapes claim they are sour, while those who have tasted them many times feels no pity for the ones who cannot until they too need help from those they neglected
If you stand by and let bad things happen you are also a bad person
The watcher is as guilty as the one who committed the crime.
But you would make a bad decision; you would not be a bad person.
We should have thrown ourselves in front of the army to stop this I guess
We could've talked it out instead of bombing a country that didn't even deserve it. Without killing innocent people, destroying dozens of homes and taking a president and his wife from their country by force. Minimizing the effect and after-effect is a form of defence and your--my--and all American's part in this.
Until you happen to live in an area where maga garbage outnumber you 100-1. Then you're the one feeling unsafe leaving your home every day.
ok baby boy, keep up your keyboard warrior skills
No, it's all Americans that pay tax. You can't even fuck with that fact. We made this possible.
No, it’s ‘we’.
Voting is important.
I'm from Denmark, and I think it's just a matter of time before it's Greenland in the news.
Unfortunately, as an American, I think that is an accurate prediction.
And even just the cost of it...To take Greenland by force would easily run into the hundreds of billions of dollars, likely trillions. Greenland has a population of 56,000 people. You could cut every resident of Greenland a check for $10 million USD, and that would cost $560 billion. Would the citizens of Greenland agree to become part of the US, if we acknowledged all existing property and indigenous land rights, and we cut every Greenlander a check for $10 million USD? Maybe we even offer to waive the normal state population requirements and admit them to the Union directly as a state, skipping the territory stage? There's precedent. We did that when the Republic of Texas became the State of Texas. That would actually be far, far cheaper than trying to do it by force. And in the end you get a new territory with all its infrastructure intact, not destroyed in the conflict or by sabotage. Oh, and you know, there's that whole "no one has to die" thing.
Would the Greenlanders take this offer? Maybe, maybe not. But honestly, long before any military force was used...even if you completely ignore the legality and morality of the whole thing...these are the types of offers you should be considering before trying to take Greenland by force. If you simply must have Greenland as a US territory, and you really believe that, the rational and only moral thing to do would be to at least start making offers like this. But that's not what you see. The only offer of any direct payments to residents I've seen proposed was like a paltry $10k. If you're trying to buy someone's country out from under them, at least have the dignity to make a fair offer!
Giving people money is not how this works.
Giving companies money is the game.
A Trump never pays his debts.
Trump isn't giving you a single $0.01(USD).
Trump is going to try to take Greenland by force, for Free.
"Trump can invade us, as long as he pinky promises to pay!" is wiiiild.
I don't know about Greenland, but as a Canadian, there's no amount of money you can give me to get me to be peacefully conquered. I would rather be killed by the USA military than join the USA.
Does Greenland have large oil reserves? Venezuela is about installing an American friendly/puppet regime, so that American oil companies can take control of the oil.
It's one of the most mineral rich areas of the world, massive amounts of rare earth minerals, gold, silver, gemstones, all sorts of stuff.
It's just stuck under a thick glacier, for now.
That's easily solvable if you're a cartoonishly evil supervillain, you just bomb the ice sheets!
No, but he wants it and, as it would seem, he thinks the world is his playground so he can take what he wants.
5 damn centimetres... we were that close.
There was no need to stage an assassination attempt, come on now. Popular vote doesn't elect Presidents!
Do you think Sandy Hook was a false flag, also?
behaving like putin, almost if hes getting advice fom him.
Americans behave like Americans
Libs: "What are we, a bunch of Russians?"
Greenland is going to be very important as climate change continues to take hold and new shipping lanes are opened.
they have alot of rare earths, which is why trump wants it, but its mostly inaccessible, and dangerous because it does not allow easy mining.
At the start of 2025 I would've said you're being ridiculous.
Amazing how much a year can change things.
Makes me sick just thinking about it. I genuinely hope Denmark prepares to wage a guerilla campaign against invaders in Greenland if needed.
Denmark will be alone if that happens. Europeans are pathetic slaves of America and israel.
Stay safe OP, you and your family.
I hope this "special operation" results in blowback specifically for Trump himself.
All sovereign countries deserve independence and freedom from invasion.
all the propaganda out on reddit, defending him, "oh because hes a dictator he needs to be removed". plus Republican venuzuleans are celebrating it though/.
lets not forget its a distraction from the epstein files, plus Smiths testinomy recently too.
As an American, we may hate him more than you do right now. I'm sorry this is happening, the oligarchs just want Venezuela's largest crude oil reserve because greedy corporations (ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhilips, Halliburton, etc.) want more control over a dying planet. America has done this to Latin American countries 12 times in the last ~100 years, and went to war for 30+ years in the Middle East for oil too, so this is nothing new from an imperialism perspective.
As an American, we may hate him more than you do right now.
You hate him more than people literally fearing for their lives because of his actions? I am sorry, but I don’t believe you.
Yeah I personally am not fearing for my life (yet) due to him enacting violence in my city (yet). Actually that's kind of not true with ICE, but yeah I agree it's not quite the same, and citizens of Caracas are suffering more right now.
However, there's a longer history that US citizens have had to deal with, and we hate him. Hundreds of thousands or millions of people cut off from food, medicine, housing. Millions of job losses due to his corruption with Musk. There's about 700 other things that we've personally dealt with. But yeah, in this exact moment, we haven't had our city bombed and our leader abducted (yet), so acutely OP dislikes America maybe more.
That’s not true. The US returned him to power.
If they hated him as much as you claim he wouldn’t have even ran the second time because you’d have done something about it. Certainly he wouldn’t have won.
Nope, you don’t all hate him. Furthermore you as a nation are responsible for his actions.
Who said "we all"?
It's about 31% who voted for him, about 35% that didn't vote at all, and the rest that voted for someone else. There are extreme gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement efforts in place, and straight up rigging in some cases, so it's not even just a fair contest.
So by voter majority at the least you don’t hate him. Those who didn’t vote obviously don’t hate him enough.
But yeah once again we need to stop and think about US citizens while their country hurts someone else. Because they can’t get off their arse to vote.
There’s a reason people are tired of Americas shit.
They had an election where choices were "literally hitler, but orange" and "a woman who didn't talk strong enough about palestine".
And they chose Hitler.
it was mostly misogyny/.
Gerrymandering has no effect on presidential elections and bringing that up makes you look clueless.
its mostly done by extreme voter suppression by GOP controlled states, that where all the problems occur with voting. right wing propaganda is just icing on top to make it palatable.
Sure. But gerrymandering refers to redrawing congressional districts and has no effect on presidential elections.
You hate him more than people literally fearing for their lives because of his actions?
I personally am not their primary target yet, but this is the case for many American citizens and immigrants of any kind.
Of course, that is not the case for most Americans, but I'd wager there's a huge overlap in "Americans on the fediverse" and "people likely to be close to the top of the out-groups list" Hell, my old highschool once made national news for a hate crime against an LGBT student. It's a shit hole.
My point is, some of the people you are talking to here are likely also afraid for their lives.
Good point.
‘But stop and think about US citizens and their discomfort’
I don't know how much of it is ai bots or propaganda or what, but most sources I have been able to track down have mostly celebrating Venezuelans. I know the country has not been a good place to live in over the past decade. US corporate is going to essentially own and swallow up the resources from there, but it won't surprise me if the general population there has it easier for a while. See what kind of kangaroo government gets put in place down there and for how long the US is going to keep their governing thumb over the country.
Libians were celebrating too.
So do something.
It's almost impossible to get the people of this country to do anything. Just 1 person is going to be sniped the second they even think to do anything. So far we've had a few try to fix this but they were caught or completely missed. The USA Is huge and it would take days for people on the west coast to get to the east coast where the important people are. Plus money, most of us are very poor and can't even afford to travel that far. So we're trying by protesting in our communities.
protesting in our communities
Nobody's ever asked for more. Just be there. Block, obstruct, make your voice heard. Civil disobedience. Keep up the pressure. The punishment must follow their deeds at once, or they will never even consider toning down. Even if you cannot light up the powder keg, you can start 100 small fires. Metaphorically speaking.
We stand with you.
People on the west coast don't have to travel to the east coast though
You want to quit being coy and say what you’re asking people to do?
That's why it's called the "ultimate sacrifice". Right... After all I guess that American war saying was really no different than the idea the ayatollahs pushed.
sure are quite the keyboard warrior aren't you? Maybe go outside for a bit and actually do something yourself.
Thanks I appreciate your feedback.
I can at the state level, and I have along with my fellow Californians. We can't do anything to change DC for the foreseeable future.
We are.
You most certainly are not.
lol ok
No, you aren't.
Sorry you're all scared. That's awful. I'm in the US wondering when we marginalized folks in the LGBT community are getting sent to concentration camps. People are scared here too. Sorry they are awful people. I assume protest will flare up in US this week. Already had one in my home town today from what I hear. Solidarity...
- 2022 - Russia's special operation in Ukraine
- 2026 - USA's special operation in Venezuela
- 2030? - China's special operation in Taiwan?
I'm really sorry for you all over there. Even more sorry for I truely fear the rest of the world will only say "Mr. President, sir, was this really a good idea?" and then accept any responce he gives.
Which military is patrolling? Asking bc information is not being shared correctly through mainstream channels. Does USA actually have control of the country?
La Fuerza Armada Nacional Bolivariana, our Army.
If I had seen US soldiers, I would have crashed out.
I'm completely flabbergasted by our actions. Apologies aren't enough to begin to address what we did, but I'm so sorry that my government has chosen to terrorize you and the people around you.
Yep the world doesn't feel safer. I am far from being informed enough to have a proper opinion on Maduro, and I have big doubts about the opposition as well. However I totally disagree with USA taking over anywhere. Hope you guys manage to find a few good leaders to see you through this mess.
The big problem with this is who is next? the US always had the power to do this but now that its actually doing it with bogus madeup reasoning... Is Canada next? Greenland? Mexico? Costa Rica?
I hope you know that Americans didn't want this either. The world is praying for you.
Part of the usonians didn't want this. A non-irrelevant part actively voted for this, and another non-irrelevant part couldn't care enough to vote so indirectly allowed this.
Oh yeah, prayers will do it
Get to the streets, protest, make your voice heard. I would be out there if my country would do shit like this.
And yet there won't be mass boycotts of gas stations, there won't be General strikes, there won't be 70 million Americans who claim to have voted against this out in the streets.
Your country voted for this and keeps these people in office. This is YOU.
The US has so many fucking guns that your kids have active shooter drills in kindergarten. If you didn't want this you would stop it.
Our country gerrymanders districts, purges voters, and makes last minute changes to voting id requirements and then allows groups of people to question the validity of your ballot and have it thrown out so it doesn't count. Our elections have not been the voice of the people for a long time, but the will of a party willing to sacrifice democracy to stay in power.
Then do something about it
No country that isn’t fucking deranged holds random citizens accountable for the actions of a president they may not have even voted for, wtf are you even talking about.
How many iraqi and afghan civilians paid the price for how America felt about their leaders? How many Venezuelans?
You need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that it's MOSTLY innocent civilians that pay the price for this shit, your just used to being the ones doing it.
The USA is screwing the whole world extremely hard. Many countries that didn't have a say in the US elections are now being happily fucked by Mango Hitler.
Don't expect those countries to be happy with any american person they see. Is it unfair? Absolutely? But the only ones responsible for what's happening are the Usonians, either by having voted for him or by not stopping him.
Yeah I have no illusions about people being dicks to random Americans they encounter, that’s how people work. But that’s not what “you can expect to be personally held accountable for your actions the second you leave your borders.” means. That sounds like they’re expecting the fucking ICC to swoop in and arrest people for not burning shit down and trying to kill politicians, which is fucknut crazy.
No, I'm expecting Americans to get curb stomped when they walk into the wrong neighborhood.
My mother was adopted, and her non-biological grandmother was a holocaust survivor.
I was always confused by how much she hated all Germans and German immigrants, regardless of age, or if their family had immigrated before the war. Most of them surely didn't support the nazi party in any way, and the vast majority I knew of were born after 1950.
I understand the mindset a little better now, I think. Unfortunately in this instance, I'm the German that didn't support the nazi party and wanted to get out of Germany in the 30s. But I get why any Jewish person would hate me.
Do you understand that we are under a repressive regime?
We do understand that for generations you have justified your creepy little gun fixation by regaling us with what you would do to a repressive government.
The American people have unfortunately been stumped by the fact that using guns against the state has been made illegal and moreover is actually quite a dangerous and unpopular thing to do.
Somehow this little factoid didn't manage to pierce their unbelievably thick skulls when they were moaning about their "constitutional rights".
Especially from month old accounts… not suspicious at all!
This is what bothers me the most about random folks, usually from an EU country, telling Americans we should just oust our shithead president through national strikes or violence and complain that we aren’t doing anything. The US is huge, what works in smaller European countries is vastly more difficult and expensive to organize and execute in the US. Those tactics do work here, but mostly at the local and state level which is akin to how they work in most EU countries when you adjust for population and size. At this level there is just not much an individual or small group can do. Even if my entire city and the surrounding area rose up together (which it wouldn’t since it’s politically mixed) it would have little to no impact. A million or two people just isn’t that much in a nation as large and diverse as the US. The entirety of California or Texas couldn’t appreciably move the needle in all reality and they are massive, wealthy states.
The same reason EU citizens haven’t been able to band together to fully and consistently leverage the combined power of their continent on the world stage is why Americans haven't been able to effectively organize and execute effective federal power changes.
I think it would be a fantastic idea for Europeans, and the rest of the world, to start actually considering what a violent, imperialist US means to their normal day-to-day and how they can best prepare to defend against it. I, and all those I choose to surround myself with, hate what our government is doing. We voted against it, give money and time to causes against it and to try to reduce harm where we can and help those impacted by it. Many of us would leave if we had the means to, but the reality is that leaving has its own risks, is surprisingly difficult and expensive, doesn’t guarantee where we end up will ultimately be better, and removes our ability to do anything here. Like most of life, reality is complex and messy, I just wish everyone could keep that in mind when condemning all Americans for the actions our government is taking.
In short, I am not my country, and while I fully accept that the world hates the US right now (and they should), personally hating every individual American and blaming us as specifically responsible is ignorant and inflammatory. It doesn’t help and just serves to depress and discourage action by those of us who do not support the actions of our government.
I said this on Reddit and will say here as well.
As an European, I have nothing against Americans as individuals that like us, are shocked and troubled to what is happening with your current Administration.
And generalising that all Americans should mobilise and fight against their government is not as straightforward as many people here think.
Like us, you guys have families, kids and pets that want to stay united and protect what is most important for you: your family.
But I do have issues with your government and those who support it.
I don’t trust your government, people that support it, your tech infrastructure or any company that aligns with this whole mess.
And that’s why I’m migrating everything to Europe. From cloud, to tech, to operating systems, to socials.
That’s why I just created my Lemmy account, and considering deleting Reddit.
I’m still stuck with Apple’s ecosystem, but will find a way to break free.
I’m a software developer and will start developing apps that will serve me and potentially others, but will be based in Europe and will not depend on others that in any moment can cut off the access just because…
That is quite literally not what I am saying, I’m saying that the real world is complex and not as easy as “Americans are fat and lazy and stupid and won’t do anything about their fascist imperialist federal regime that a sizable portion of the country apparently supported”.
What would you have the average American do that lives nowhere close to DC, needs a job to eat and have shelter, and likely lives somewhere where at least some portion of their neighbors support Trump and his cronies? Like if you have a real solution I’d love to hear it because just noting the a lot of Americans have guns isn’t helpful (which isn’t everyone for what it’s worth, not sure if you’ve been here but it’s not like folks walk around fully armed everywhere).
The US general strike movement estimates over 10.5 million people need to strike to have an effect, in a year they’ve gotten less than half a million to sign a strike card. Organizing over 10 million people is crazy difficult. We would need nearly the entire population of Sweden or Portugal, it’s more than the entire population of Greece or Austria. And that’s just 3.5% of the US population. My entire point is that it’s easy to sit behind a keyboard and blame Americans when you’re entire experience is a European country that needs to organize an opposition of maybe 2 million people, likely less than a million. The reality that Americans actually face is at least and order of magnitude more difficult. So blaming individuals as though all of us support what is happening and are to blame shows a lack of understanding. Many of us don’t like this any more than you do, and are doing what we can in our sphere of influence to change things, but it isn’t a simple situation to fix.
You won’t boycott the gas stations though will you.
I use gas as little as I can, literally fill my tank once every three months or so. I use solar on my house and adjust power usage to leverage green sources as much as I can. So don’t assume all Americans are cowboy boot wearing, giant truck driving, racist assholes who just want cheap gas. A nation this large is truly complex and full of unique people that wont fit your stereotypical trope.
Mucha fuerza desde España, todos aquí estamos con vosotros. Espero que puedas estar seguro y ojalá encontréis la fuerza para llegar a un futuro mejor pronto.
Como ciudadano de a pié haré toda la presión que pueda para que los gobiernos europeos encuentren sus huevos y se opongan de verdad a esta mierda
De todo corazón, muchas gracias por tu apoyo. El saber que al menos la gente de a pié nos tienen en cuenta hace mucho menos miserable el sentimiento.
We.do support you, even in the heart of the evil empire. I am so sorry, friend, and always ashamed.
Good that you support them, but organizing limited pace (up to 24" x 24" x 12") will leave a lot of the country in disarray.
It's a lovely gesture, but it's really not the best time for furniture shopping.
En España la gente está con la población venezolana, salvo dos o tres lamebotas de los usanos. Cuidaos mucho y ojalá la situación mejore.
Estados Unidos os ha invadido porque quiere vuestro petroleo, el resto le importa un bledo. Y esto no va de si Maduro es un dictador o no. Va de que a Trump le importa una mierda la gente y solo quiere petroleo y robar todo lo que pueda. Y a quien se le ponga por delante, se lo va a quitar del medio.
Mucha fuerza y mucho ánimo. Es una vergüenza terrible esto, y la Unión Europea diciendo poco menos que "thoughts and prayers". Deberían tener más valentía y condenar todos los gobiernos a una lo que está pasando en Venezuela.
Un abrazo y que todo os salga bien.
Jajajajjajajajajajajjajajajajajajjajsjsjsjajajajajajaja buenísima esa de los países europeos oponiéndose a acciones militares estadounidenses
I am so sorry. I am in the third that hates Trump and I feel helpless.
That percentage has been shifting. Seeing a lot less trump flags out there. Like Mr Rogers said, look for the helpers. Maybe find a way to help yourself, too
You are just assuming I have done nothing. I have been calling out shit like this my whole adult life. Starting with Reagan I have spoke out and tried to get people to see why shit like this is wrong. This is the first time in my life I feel helpless. I have friends I thought were good people that back Trump even now. I don't know how to help anymore.
I concur. My country went from overt murder to kidnapping, and somehow that actually feels like an escalation. Kidnapping a head of state is...well it's a horror show.
They were already kidnapping all manner of Americans. We're just exporting our new-and-improved "freedom," as we are wont to do.
My apologies will never carry enough weight to balance against what our mistakes at home have done to affect you and your loved ones. Nonetheless, my heart goes out to you, and I apologize for what we've let happen.
They're literally part of the root of the problem.
Truly nothing can make up for what has already happened. I am deeply sorry for the victims of our military and everyone else who lives in fear because of us. It never should have gotten here, and every American should one day reckon with our failure to enact change in time. I fear the day of that reckoning is coming close, and that it will not be voluntary any longer when it arrives
Listen, you have to understand. We need the oil. These AI datacenters are not going to fuel themselves.
Obviamente estoy bromeando. Esta pendejada esta horrible y nadie se merece depertar en un estado de miedo y terror. Espero que todos los tuyos esten bien y perdonar my español de escuela primaria.
Ese fue un buen español, me sacaste una sonrisa XD
Thank you very much.
Please start organizing and make your voice heard. You got this. We believe in you. Good luck! Seriously!
Bruh, the Venezuelans are celebrating in Miami.. who cares about you? \s
Will the Venezuelans resist or accept the US puppet dictatorship?
Something that everyone in my family has been saying for a long time is that Maduro is just the visible face of an entire movement. The Chavistas, those who followed Chávez even after his death, are a reality and an inescapable fact. THEY WILL NOT LEAVE PEACEFULLY.
And I don't mean that in a "positive" way. I'm talking about the fact that we can expect at least a civil war or a guerrilla situation like what happened in Colombia with the FARC. Because on the one hand, Maduro was not loved at all, but on the other, there's people that would rather die than let the gringos take power.
Ordinary people will be the collateral damage, as always.
Indeed, the last sentence in your 2nd paragraph sums it up. +1
Siempre pasa lo mismo. Los sufren estas mierdas, los ciudadanos de a pie
Just guessing from the outside here, I doubt the fascist regime of 'murica actually has military left here that didn't fuck right off after they abducted Maduro. So unless there's also a Venezuelan coup going on, or an actual invasion is started, no one there will do as fascist murica desires.
It has all been so obviously telegraphed. I hate it so much.
Yeah, Trump isn't the president you want doing regime change in your country. He's completely corrupt, and he's showing it in Venezuela - doesn't even mind leaving the old regime in place as long as he can get to your oil. Several orders of magnitude worse than Bush, and that's already pretty bad. I would expect him to try to work with the criminal syndicates in Venezuela and to try to come to an agreement with Russia and China for their influence in the region in exchange for giving them a blind eye to their own imperial goals elsewhere.
From the start he's been trying to side with the dictators of the world who want to divide it up under regions of control, and he has done everything to undermine diplomacy, soft power, and cooperation. The reason he does not prop up Machado is because he wants a despot, not democracy. It's no surprise, given he's one himself propped up by the richest people on Earth.
He sees himself as controlling all social networks on the planet and as such the narrative, controlling the supply to modern computing and as such all major industries everywhere, and controlling all the most advanced military weapons on the planet. His goal is to strong arm the entire planet while having more unstable and chaotic control over it all, a recipe for disaster on a global scale that will make the overabused concept of weapons of mass destruction end up seeming ironic.
Las dictaduras no tienen ideologia solo una excusa para oprimir. Aqui un dictador atacó a otro, solo espero que el pueblo no pague las consecuencias. Fuerza amigo que se puede salir de esta. Igualmente hay montones de Venezolanos que vinieron aca a Uruguay buscando mejor vida seguro encontras quien te ayude si te querés venir.
Welcome to the regime change party.
Could probably count the number on countries on your hand that the USA hasn't attempted to intervene in.
Anyways, isn't the Venezuelan military also immediately at fault here? You don't just send a bunch of Chinooks into another country expecting zero resistance. Someone was onboard with a deal and let them in. I could be wrong, but it seems like the Air Force couldn't be convinced, hence the air strikes.
It's actually only unusual because they bothered to get directly involved. Maduro could have easily been couped and the US would pretend they had nothing to do with it.
Ana Corina Sosa Machado is lining up to take over and sell the whole country to the orange toddler, and I'm sure more vultures are also getting ready for the power grab, I'm really sorry for the situation you are all in , just don't expect any help from the international community, cause it simply doesn't exist, get ready for a stream of meaningless comments and maybe a couple of press conferences, they already accepted the reality of the situation and accepted their absolute castration
The traitor of Machado was already scrapped from Trumps plans, So we're at the mercy of whatever Cheeto-Hitler says.
I really hope this a at least a bit of good news, but I just read that he announced the US will be running Venezuela (as if it's a seven eleven) until they organise a transition of power (aka) a find new traitor. https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/trump-says-us-to-run-venezuela-in-interim-after-maduro
How in the world does Trump think they will be running it? That part of the plan feel a lot like the underpants gnome step 2 .
She won the prize over him and he will never forgive that. Fucking clowns are about to be reminded about how fascism works. You're only part of the in group until you're not. Then you're dead.
I'm sorry and I'm sick. When I saw the news a few hours ago, I don't have the words. Had to repeat to my wife 3 times, "Trump kidnapped the President of Venezuela and his wife."
Tienes todo mi apoyo amigo. Espero que puedes sobrevivir estos momentos traumaticos. Soy estadounidense pero de raices cubanas. Solidaridad con Venezuela y todo latinoamerica! 🇨🇺 🤝 🇻🇪
I'm very sorry that's happening to you. Seriously.
We will resist this. There are people resisting this in your country and people resisting this in ours.
Hi, u/NONE_dc, I can tell you this is actually infuriating from my perspective, even though I'm in the State of Pennsylvania in the US. I didn't hear anything about this attack taking place until early this morning after I woke up, and I have not been feeling myself all day since I have been feeling anxious, which it may possibly be due to the attack in Venezuela. I also don't care about Maduro either, but it has me wondering what the world is coming to. Furthermore, I was trying to find out what is going to happen next via MS NOW, but the feed I have from that channel is currently freezing from time to time, so I'm stuck with the NBC News feed instead.
Hope you and yours manage to stay safe man.
[gives you a huge hug]
Apparently, dancing to an electronic beat and appealing to peace gets an alpha strike from the United States.
The Yes Paz videos allegedly were the tipping point for invasion.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-team-moved-oust-maduro-191933963.html
Me quedo con la duda de si el Trompas instaló a su propia marioneta como presidente. Estamos muy preocupados por ustedes desde acá de México. No hay nada por concreto aún, pero sospecho que seríamos los siguientes si siguen con su terrorismo contra Colombia y le dan golpe al Estado. Todos mis conocidos estuvieron hablando de esto hoy, pero aún no se percatan del peligro que todos corremos.
América Latina necesita juntar fuerzas y prepararse para lo peor. Les deseo todo lo mejor y recuerden que si pueden escapar hay opciones, incluyendo México.
Don’t worry, this is the United States in the death throes of its imperial supremacy. We are flaming out.
https://jacobin.com/2018/09/salvador-allende-pinochet-coup-final-speech
Unfortunately some flames burn brightest and are the most destructive before they are finally snuffed out.
I am so sorry for what America has done to you and your country. I am filled with a remorse so deep it is if I was the one who your friends, family members and neighbors fear. Never had I dreamed that the country of the free would turn down the path of war.
Maduro and Trump are friends
Maduro gets to escape his country and save face instead of being assassinated or executed.
Trump gets to manufacture a conflict so he can start martial law and become a dictator
A lot of people in your country think things will be better under Trump. They're in for a rude awakening when they start shooting people opposed in the streets because they simply do not care about you as a people.
so, do you still think this is "far from improving", now that hundreds of political prisoners are being released en masse and torture centers are being shut down? do you really think the purpose of military patrols was to prevent looting??
What do you think the Acting President of Venezuela Delcy Rodríguez (who served as Maduro’s Vice President)? Do you think she would do a better job than Maduro? With her running the country now, is there any hope for a less corrupt regime in Venezuela? I think there is.
how many civilian death at the time ? Are you favorable that the last elected president can come back assure his presidency ?
- We still don't know
- not very likely
I don’t care about Maduro, as far as I’m concerned, they can shoot him if they want.
First they came for the Communists and I said nothing...
Is there no hope for a new regime that might be less corrupt?
That hope would rest on the belief that Trump will do "the right thing".
Is there any basis for such a belief?
Not necessarily, there could be a palace coup or a revolution
Installed by Donald Trump? Are you stupid?
a Coup, or removal to install a colonial-backed dictator never ends well. look at iran and the shah, thats why the islamic revolution happened.
One doesnt participate in that game unless they are corrupt.
Clearly, Maduro's administration failed to address the issues that adherents to "socialism of the 21st century" claim have failed to address in socialism of the 20th century. That's why we need Democratic Marxism.
It is a mistake he inherited from Chávez. In that sense, Slavoj Žižek is absolutely right: Chávez did not solve anything, he just threw money at the problems.
If only Venezuela elected a socialist more competent than Hugo Chavez...
Sadly, Chávez was the best and the only option at the time. And for a while, it seemed like it was the right choice, things were working. My childhood was so good that there was a point where I wondered why people hated Chávez so much if, in my eyes, he was "doing things right."
Now I know why.
Chávez came with a promise of change, then he die and took that promise with him, leaving us with... nothing.
If only a socialist more competent than Maduro gets elected...
All competent socialists were politically castrated by Chavismo by assimilating them into the "Polo Patriótico." If you talk about the left, if you talk about socialism or even communism in Venezuela, you are talking about the Chavistas.
That is why plurality of voices and decentralization of power are so important.
I think the people of Venezuela should organize and advocate for true democratic rule of the proletariat
Oh and what do you think the Acting President of Venezuela Delcy Rodríguez (who served as Maduro's Vice President)? Do you think she would do a better job than Maduro?
Get out while you can, American occupations don't leave anything behind but atrocities.
It's easier said than done. And where would we go? Years of Venezuelan immigration to other countries have created animosity towards us. They hate us in Chile, Peru, Argentina, Spain, Colombia...
It's going to seem like the easiest thing ever compared to what you are dealing with in 18 months.
How is it possible you have this in your bio:
“You don’t get what you dream about… You get what you strive for step by step!” Atsuko “Akko” Kagari (Little Witch Academia, 2017)
Then you post something like this.
People are cheering in the street: https://t.me/c/1301972598/533660
People are cheering as the dictators poster is torn down: https://files.ikt.id.au/hwdeza.MP4
Your opposition leader who has been fighting for democracy has said:
‘US fulfilled its promise’: Venezuela oppn leader Maria Corina Machado on Nicolas Maduro ‘capture’
“It's TIME FOR FREEDOM! Venezuelans, starting today, Nicolás Maduro faces international justice for the heinous crimes committed against Venezuelans and citizens of many other nations. Given his refusal to accept a negotiated solution, the United States government has fulfilled its promise to enforce the law. The time has come for popular sovereignty and national sovereignty to rule in our country. We are going to bring order, free political prisoners, build an exceptional country, and bring our children back home,” Machado said in a statement in Spanish published on X.
This is your opportunity to get what you strive for step by step and you are already blowing it.
Except this is not done to help Venezuela, this has been done to steal their oil. The pedopresident already said he's taking control of the country "until things improve".
who cares they have shitloads of oil, the most in the world afaik and you can play trump like a fiddle by giving him what he wants and flattering him, this is a huge opportunity
Tell that to Afghanistan and Irak, I'm pretty sure they are doing extremely well after their respective usonian liberation...
both of those countries got what they wanted, usa out and taliban in
if Venezuelans want freedom and democracy they’ll still need to fight for it, not assume the us will hang around forever
or to quote the op “You don’t get what you dream about… You get what you strive for step by step!”
They went to remove the talibans and left the country with the talibans again because "that's what they wanted"? So... don't fucking attack them then? You know... start being the child rapist president of peace? Stop meddling with other countries and worry about your own?
I guess it's easier to have the country talking about a coup than have it talking about the Epstein-Trump files where the Mango Hitler appears as a serial child rapist and about the insurances premiums skyrocketing...
they went to afghanistan as it was a hot spot for terrorists in particular the taliban and al’queda had training camps there for the terrorists who did 9/11
the usa attempted to turn the country into a democracy and move the country beyond being a 3rd world hole but because afghani’s are largely tribal goat herding muslims who have no care for a “state of afghanistan” (or women) the plan failed and the taliban who are largely violent islamic fundamentalists got back in power with little resistance from the locals … who just wanted to go back to hating women and tending to their goats
similar in iraq
generally the people of a country get what they want, i can see in iran there is a growing consensus that they do not want an islamic regime in power
if the us was to kidnap the supreme leader it would be an amazing opportunity for them to ultimately be free
but it depends on what the citizens of that country are willing to fight for
the best modern example is Russia trying to take over Ukraine (again) and the Ukrainians fighting back, they have help from Europe etc but even if they didn’t they wouldn’t have just sat on their hands, they would be fighting today a guérilla war in kyiv like they have in the past
Both countries, as now Venezuela, "coincidentally" had oil. It's strange tho, every time the US goes to war to "liberate" a country, that country happens to have oil.
Never stuff like... idk... factories where they produce almost everything that's made today and other things like silk, electric cars...
It's always oil...
If we were going to intervene militarily somewhere, the most moral and most likely-to-be-effective choice IMO would be Haiti. It's right next door and is relatively small. They need the Army Corp of Engineers to rebuild infrastructure, and a ton of police action. Establishing a stable government would make a huge improvement in the lives of Hatians.
They don't want Haiti stable, they want them easily exploitable.
huh? did you forget bombing yemen for blocking a straight, bombing iranian nulcear facilities, assisting Israel fighting palestinian terrorists, helping fight terrorists in the philippines, fighting isis, syria, the kurds, helping Ukraine fight Russia, how did you suddenly forget vietnam and ww2?
America is involved in a lot more than just afghanistan and iraq…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century
Assisting israel in their genocide? Sure, not a good thing to do.
Bombing Iran for enriching uranium? Why don't hey do it with North Korea or Russia then? Right, they are not a threat to the genocide israel is doing in Palestine.
The us is just a terrorist country fucking with half the world.
And don't get me started with ww2 bullshit. They only intervened when the nazis were deemed a problem for them, and it was Russia who pushed the nazis all the way to Berlin.
Not to talk about how the pedopresident has said that he's not helping Ukraine anymore and is pushing for a "deal" that's basically written by Putin.
oh i see, now it’s special circumstances for all the other wars the us is involved in
all good, we can leave it here
Yeah, we better leave it here, it's clear you are an usonian shill, so it's pointless to keep going:
the people of Venezuela are celebrating today, i am happy for them
Some are celebrating. And honestly? That's not really telling of anything. Some people were celebrating Milei and look how's that going. But I digress.
Fact is the us has just kidnapped the head of another state and made it a colony. And all without the authorisation of their own congress.
they seem pretty happy to me
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9vr7UbAGsyY
i’ve read lots of posts now and lemmy seems like once again it’s out of touch
The USA funded and trained the islamacist extremists, bright one.
It's not oil that is cheap or easy to get. A lot of it is tar sands and very sour crude that is dangerous to process. I dont think the US companies that want to get in there necessarily will quickly because of the infrastructure needed to even get it.
This seems more like a politically motivated regime change pushed from someone like Marco Rubio. Maybe Cuba will be next.
hopefully! from what i’ve heard there’s enough cubans who have left cuba to make a whole second cuba
I’m so fucking tired
then get off social media? touch grass? go to bed?
if you cannot handle other peoples opinions i suggest again, get off social media
Weren't you in another thread crashing out about people criticising capitalism like, this afternoon?
i wasn’t crashing out, you guys are literally financially illiterate, that’s not hyperbole