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People with the gene that makes cilantro taste like soap: What do you mean by "Cilantro tastes like soap"? In what way does anything taste like soap?

4mon 2d ago by lemmy.world/u/TheAvarageNerd in asklemmy

I've been wondering for a while now if I might have that gene or whether Cilantro is just a herb i dislike. I can stomach dishes with cilantro in them, but it just stings through everything. No matter how little was put in, it tastes to me like somebody over-cilantro'd the dish. I've never eaten anything where I thought "Mmmh, yes, there's a subtle hint of cilantro" - it's always "Oh, there's the cilantro, and it's just too strong".

But whenever I read about this online, people say that it tastes like soap. It's been a couple of years since I was toddler enough to just put soap in my mouth. But in my mind, the taste of soap is mostly bitter, with an overwhelming tropical/fruity/citrussy flavor of whatever the producers decided to make the soap smell like. I also imagine it having a really unpleasant texture/mouthfeel. I have no urge to try eating soap, just so I can compare it with the taste of a herb. And I assume that most people with the Cilantro-gene also haven't made an actual taste-comparison. So hence my question: In what way does anything - but cilantro in particular - taste like soap?

It tastes like drinking water from a glass that has been cleaned with dish soap but not rinsed properly and you can taste the residue and distinct smell/taste of soap. I used to have this response as a child but later as an adult the taste completely changed and now I can taste its real flavour.

I had no idea it could change over time, that's really cool. Makes me wonder what other genetic factors can change like that.

A lot. Genes have a weird ability to activate or deactivate, or simply have a different effect, based on environmental factors.

Look up "Epigenetics".

Thanks for the new rabbit hole! :D

Your taste buds also dull over time, so strong flavors get weaker.

many tastes change over time. certain foods are really sharp to children in unpleasant ways, but to an adult they are more mellow and nuanced.

Right, I know this from experience. I was talking about the genes thing which I have been informed is Epigenetics (thanks Crankenstein!)

I couldn’t eat something that had come near cilantro until I was in my 20s. But I was intentional about it. I love Mexican food, but really couldn’t eat it at restaurants because of this so I decided I was going to try an experiment.

I would make a small amount of food at home with a little bit of cilantro and as I cut it up I would inhale deeply and tell myself out loud “this smells delicious. I love this.”

Then I would eat the prepared food and do the same. I did this once a week or so for a few months and eventually the soap taste disappeared. It tastes like delightful fresh herbs now.

See, yes. This is what adults do.

Being grown and refusing to eat something that millions of humans eat every day is, frankly, embarrassing. When I meet any otherwise neurotypical picky eater over the age of 13, all I can think of is, “Christ, grow the fuck up.”

When I met am otherwise neurological adult who gets hung up on what others choose to do with their free will, all I can think is "grow the fuck up"

I've got a cousin who gets upset about what I choose to eat. I don't even understand where someone like that is coming from.

Cater to them in a family of otherwise normal eaters, and get back to us about how understanding you are.

Having allergic reactions is one thing; being fussy is another thing entirely.

Just don't. Why would you? We're talking about adults

It's probably less about what you choose to eat and more about the fact that picky eaters are, in a larger sense (and without exception) some combination of childish, incurious, self-absorbed, inflexible, and boring.

Do they also eat children?

Didn’t say they were evil. A lot of otherwise decent people have simply never had a reason to outgrow their toddler brains.

The flavor to your immature taste buds wasn't real?

There is the thing as it exists and then the thing as I perceive it. I’d say I’m tasting the more accurate version of it today but it probably is still debatable.

What something tastes like is part of your perception of it though. It's an interaction that is based as much on the tongue doing the tasting as the substance being tasted.

I don't think either way you tasted it was more "real" or "accurate", but could be closer to what the majority of people experience.

I experience the soap taste, not with cilantro but with certain beers. There’s a local brewery I go to that makes a certain beer that tastes like soap for me, like the smell(?) / aftertaste of a wax candle. It happens every time. And when I order a different beer, it’s gone. It’s not the glass. Drives me crazy not knowing what the heck it is lol. A genetic quirk I guess. Always a light colored beer, never dark. My partner thinks it’s some of the yeast notes.

My one that I share with my mom is that jalapeños taste like mold. I don't get it with other kinds of peppers, and vinegar will mask it so pickled jalapeño or hot sauces with it are usually okay. But it's always just a bit there.

I have a really weird one where shandy (beer mixed with lemonade) smells like rubber to me. Like when you rub a balloon really hard.

You guys can smell balloons being rubbed, right? 😅

Likely some variety of hops they use in that beer. Cilantro apprently share some flavor compounds with hops.

Mosaic hops do something similar for me. I nearly vomit any time I have a beer brewed with them, so not really trying many new IPAs these days unless they got the hops listed.

I have the cilantro soap gene and blue moon beer tastes like dishwashing detergent to me.

It doesn't always taste like soap to me. But when it does, it literally tastes like the lather/residue from unscented bar soap. Like if you wash your hands but don't thoroughly rinse them, then eat finger food. It's a basic (as opposed to acidic) flavor, that really doesn't taste like anything other than soap.

Pro tip: You've probably already noticed that "please no cilantro" will fall on deaf ears when placing an order at most restaurants. "I have an allergy to cilantro - please make sure there's none in my food." will get you MUCH better results.

Please don’t do this.

It makes servers and cooks feel like customers are lying to them when someone tells them they have an allergy. So when some little kid with a life-threatening nut allergy comes in, they might not get taken seriously.

The other issue is that with an allergy (vs a food preference) many kitchens are required to use completely different pots and pans and utensils, gumming up the line, because even a speck of an allergen can cause serious harm.

I can’t stand cilantro either and I’m agreeing that it sucks when restaurants ignore you and should send the food back each time. Just please don’t make it harder for people with life-threatening allergies.

It makes servers and cooks feel like customers are lying to them when someone tells them they have an allergy.

Then they shouldn't ignore customers to begin with

Listen, you seem like a reasonable person and have some kind of medical-sounding username, so I will re-emphasize this: it’s a medical issue. Little kids (and even grown adults) with severe food allergies have a big struggle in getting taken seriously. I have had to take two separate people to the ER for anaphylaxis from food allergies, both seemed so minor and both turned out to have been life-threatening. One was a toddler.

You can make a small positive difference in their lives by inconveniencing yourself here.

I agree that it’s the fault of the restaurant and not yours that it’s like this, and I agree that they should be more vigilant with all allergies.

But unintended victims of crying wolf isn’t so much you or the restaurant workers, it’s allergic people who might die.

Reminds me of my own issue with parmesan cheese in things; I taste a vomit smell and just a little will make it bad to intolerable. I followed a recipe that added a sprinkle to a large pot of soup and to be the whole thing just tasted like vomit soup. My wife didn't notice at all. I think I'm sensitive to butyric acid, the shared factor between the two.

I'll use your stink bug example in the future when cilantro comes up, though, especially since so many people I know love cilantro and can't imagine (and to be fair it's very good without said gene, lol)

You must hate Hershey's chocolate

Whoa! Is that why I hate Hershey's? I don't mind their dark but the milk one is awful lol

Yup, their signature flavor is due to butyric acid. Much of the western world thinks Hershey's tastes like vomit

Of all things I have in common with people outside the US, somehow that's one of my favorites, haha. I think your comment made my day, lol

They use a lot of similar compounds to those found in vomit

Including vomit, probably

Hershey's is objectively vile though. It's just that you Americans are used to absolutely shit quality foods.

When I was younger and didn’t know what cilantro was, I couldn’t understand why no one in my family agreed with me that stink bugs smelled like, “some kind of herb.”

When I finally figured out what cilantro was and why I didn’t like it, I went digging into stink bug stink and realized precisely why.

I can’t answer your question, because it doesn’t taste like soap to me either. Just as you described, it tastes overwhelmingly strong and unpleasant to me, so I assume I have the gene. I do think sometimes it tastes appropriate buried in amongst other flavors though.

I mean, there can be multiple different gene variations. I have the soap thing and I can't remember tasting anything other than soap, although admittedly I haven't tried cilantro in isolation or in enough dishes to be able to tell for sure.

This is why I only have cilantro flavoured soap

That would be a great scam. Just offer unparfumed soap and some of your customers will never know.

I mean, those customers would also be entirely unlikely to want anything with cilantro in it, but you know, I'm sure there's someone you could fool.

Minute food does a good job explaining it, IMO. https://youtu.be/RZtPynXsFas

To me, it's not exactly soap but it's damn close. Like 90% of soap. Idk what else to tell you, it just does.

Palmolive. That's what it tasted like to me when I went looking for it.

I once ate a handful of cilantro to see if I could taste it, and I could, a little bit. Then I swore not to do that again because normally, I love cilantro.

Only partially related, why does no one talk about what it tastes like when you don't have the gene? Nobody told me it's like spicy mint! I was expecting something mild like basil or something. But no, it's overpowering.

I had the chance to try it for the first time a few months ago when I discovered a local restaurant sells Bahi Mi with cilantro and pickled carrots. Its delicious, but I was not expecting that flavor.

To my taste, it's extremely fresh and vegetal. Kind of in a similar way to how lime, cucumber, or jalapeno are.

I'm a bit puzzled by both the spicy and mint comparisons you make.

I think lime, cucumber and jalapeño is a pretty good descriptor. Lime and cucumber just taste a lot like mint to me.

Fresh is also a good description. It makes my mouth feel clean just like mint does.

I think, people are largely not aware that genetic differences can affect the taste so much, so they just assume that everyone experiences the same taste, just with different preferences for different tastes.

But yeah, when I learned that cumin is another candidate for genetic differences in taste perception, I also had to ask a friend to describe the taste, because I've never seen the taste described anywhere. For me, it just tastes extremely hollow, while it's apparently a rather rich taste for other folks...

Huh, interesting!

The taste of a spice like cumin will be highly dependent on the age of the seed and if it is ground or not. Ground spices oxidize quickly and lose a lot of volatile compounds which contribute to their depth. To taste cumin properly, it is best to lightly toast whole cumin seeds and then crush/ grind them. The difference between the store bought ground cumin is night and day.

I'm not saying, that the taste isn't strong enough for me. I'm saying that it actively adds a taste, which I can best describe as "hollow". Falafel or hummus with cumin tastes worse to me than without...

I apologize, I understand your point now. Thanks.

Ah, no worries! Taste is hard to describe. 🫠

I've been told it tastes milder than parsley and that blew my mind.

It doesn't taste soapy to me, but more like bug spray that I accidentally got in my mouth as a kid. Weirdly chemically

I don't know about the gene, and I do like cilantro. However there are times when I can understand how it tastes soapy to people. It does have a bitterness to it, and combined with its very aromatic nature, it reminds me of soap at times.

While we're at it, wtf do ants smell like?

Formic acid

Citronella, for some.

As a kid, my mother actually did the completely stupid cliche of "washing your mouth out with soap" when I said a "bad word", so I know exactly what soap tastes like (this being cheap bar soap like Irish Spring, Zest, etc). And cilantro really does taste pretty close to that to me.

Irish spring for me. It got in and around my molars and I tasted that for hours.

Yep, same here, once it was between your teeth you were not getting rid of that taste for a long while.

thats so fucked up. sorry you went through that abuse.

Nobody should be forced to eat cilantro

lol

Take the smell of dawn dish soap diluted into water. That's what it tastes like.

It is a chemical aftertaste. Like a weak soap or maybe even an unscented air freshener. I can eat the food if there isn't much cilantro in it.

It's been a couple of years since I was toddler enough to just put soap in my mouth.

I can't believe how literate OP is for only being 4 years old!

I do think there's something strange with how you taste it. My partner and I both love cilantro and will eat it in abundance, no issue.

Fwiw, I have a weird taste sensitivity to all seafood. I can sense the tiniest amount of seafood in a dish because it ruins the whole thing. I've learned that most people don't taste seafood like that, so something like fish oil in kimchi doesn't taste like you licked a room temperature anchovy.

Eating a piece of cilantro while I type this. To me, it starts with a fresh but subtle flavor that then intensifies until it feels like looking directly at a light, then it dies down with the aftertaste of grass clippings

I think your reaction to seafood is normal. It does contaminate everything. I love seafood but drop one shrimp in an ocean of soup and it's suddenly shrimp soup

But in my mind, the taste of soap is mostly bitter, with an overwhelming tropical/fruity/citrussy flavor of whatever the producers decided to make the soap smell like.

You've never encountered a bar of unscented soap? The stuff that's made by boiling fat, lye and water? You know, soap?

I’ve never tasted soap, so I don’t know that that’s the taste I get, but it’s nasty and ruins whatever I’m eating. I won’t even walk in a Chipotle. Jerks. One thing I’ve noticed over the years is the stems are the worst part. Something that’s cooked with cilantro or has the occasional leaf is okay, but one bite of a stem and I’m done.

On a related note, I love olive oil but hate olives, because anytime a dish has olives at all, it tastes like there's too many olives. It's like the olive takes away the taste from the other ingredients and replaces everything with olive taste.

Cilantro tastes fine to me though.

Hmm, is that olive thing not a universal experience? I always figure the cooks are just too lazy to cut up the olives, which would help a lot.

Well, and what also helps is to combine the olives with lots of different veggies. Don't just serve an olive-tomato salad, but rather throw in cucumber, bell pepper and garlic as well, along with maybe some beans, a bit of rosemary and thyme.

I guess, the cooks have a hearty salad like that in mind, but then start bargaining whether they could leave out one or two veggies.
And then they never figure out that, no, they cannot. You need a rich base flavour to compete with the olives, but then you want it to be light to balance out how heavy the olives are. Well, and a surefire way to get rich+light is just lots of different veggies.

Soap tastes like cilantro on account of the simple fact that cilantro existed first. Not the other way around. If you're going to eat soap some people say it tastes like cilantro.

Keep in mind, just because it doesn't taste like soap to you, doesn't mean you should like it. People have their own unique tastes. I, for instance, don't like most fish, and think that describing a thing as what it is - means it's bad - is a weird thing: "this fish is fishy" = gross. "This chicken is chickeny" = delicious.

All that said, you just don't like cilantro, that's fine. My wife doesn't like strawberries. I can't understand it, but I accept it.

I hate cilantro and other things like horseradish and wasabi but like I love jalepeno and popeye spicy chicken so its not just a heat thing. Anyway for me cilantro tastes like dirt and horseradish/wasabi just has this nasty taste. Funny thing is cilantro has become so popular I have developed a kind of resistance to it. Like I can eat something with cilantro but it will bring it down. I used to take one bite of something with cilantro and had to find something to get the taste out of my mouth. A really funny thing was I sepent a massive amount of time thinking I hated avocado because I only incountered it in guacomole which as far as I can tell always has cilantro. Man when I had just some avocado on something I was like. holy fuckin trump, this is awesome.

Imagine if you will, that prior to cooking someone hand scrubbed all the pots/pans that were going to use. But they didn't rinse them properly so there was still soap residue all over them. And then they cooked with them.

Oh - like they do in England…

Coffee tastes exactly like hot wet loam to me. I detested the flavor.

I'm a grown ass man, and I fucking hate coffee.

I equate it more to a strong perfume than soap. When I eat cilantro it just fills the back of my nose with that overwhelming floral perfume smell (feel?).

Imagine someone loaded the dish with wintergreen bubble gum.

I always thought of it being like someone shaved a bar of Irish Spring on top of your food.

For me, it tastes like a stink bug had farted in my generel direction. same scent, not that intense.

It tastes like metal to me - not soap

I have that version of the gene according to 23 and Me. Note that every human has that gene, but there are slight variations in its sequence (that’s how genes work, common variants are called alleles).
All I knew was that I hated food from Mexican food trucks and restaurants. As many other people in this thread mentioned, the food sometimes tasted like dirty water in the dishwasher, or like a dish sponge. Like soap, mold, overall a dirty and disgusting muddled mess, not a specific taste. I didn’t think the taste was coming from cilantro, I thought the food was prepared with dirty equipment and spoiled ingredients.
I moved from Europe to California as an adult, and I was eating cilantro regularly, including on street tacos from food trucks, and liked the taste. The whole thing only clicked later: when cilantro is mixed in a sauce, like in the guacamole in some burritos, that’s disgusting. I also don’t like chimichurri. Freshly chopped cilantro is delicious.

I hate cilantro but I'm unsure if I have the supposed "cilantro tastes like soap gene". To me, it just feels like chunks of cardboard or plastic in my food that shouldn't be there. I tried it two or three times then stopped using it in my cooking. However, I like storebought salsa that contains cilantro so apparently I don't mind it if it's cut into really tiny pieces

It doesn't taste like soap, it tastes like Satan's dingle berries

Mmmm

I'm willing to bet it tastes soapy to everyone, it's just that not everyone likes it. It's another one of those weird "look at me, I'm unique" things (no, aphantasia doesn't exist either, Kevin, nobody has a TV in their head).

Um... I hate to break it to you but I kind of do have a tv in my head. So do lots of people.

Yep, was surprised when my friend told me what his aphantasia was like.

When I was a kid, I had watched some movies so many times that I could actually play back the entire movie start to finish in my head, with visuals and audio. Made some long car/bus trips more bearable.

When I read books, I usually end up casting characters using celebrities I know, and enter a sort of flow state where I watch it play out in my mind like a movie. Voiced dialog and cinematography and everything.

Surprised me that a lot of people just can't do that. They understand everything but just can't visualize.

And I could not do math without the ability to create graphs in my head.

And yeah, reading would be a lot more boring without being able to picture what's going on. I've definitely confused movies and books before because my memory of the book feels just as vivid as recalling a movie i've seen.

It's literally a genetic thing though.

No, that's not how it works at all.

I had no idea it tasted "soapy" to some people until I was... Older. Like multiple decades in age.

Then I only found out from a friend who'd become one helluva cook and he told me it tastes like soap to him - and that's how it is for some people.

I'm literally writing something right now by watching scenes play out in my head, and describing them on paper.

What's Aphantasia?

I tend to think this is correct because I both think it tastes like soap and I like it. I would just tend to describe it as “clean” and “fresh” tasting instead of “soapy”.

Same here. My brother and I had a discussion about this one time after he refused to eat his tacos because they had cilantro on them. We both agree that it tastes like soap. The difference is that he hates it while I don't mind it or usually enjoy it. I've always been the more adventurous eater between the two of us, so maybe that has something to do with it? It tastes to me like a non-sweet version of how Irish Spring soap smells.

This is it exactly! I remember clearly the first time I had it. It was shocking and off putting because it was so different from anything I’d had before. But after that first experience of shock, it gradually grew on me until I actually enjoyed it.

I think this difference comes down to how open-minded folks are about trying new things.

I remember having a very similar experience with American Chinese food when one restaurant my parents started going to put large-ish chunks of ginger in one of the dishes I would always order. I didn’t know what it was at the time and told my parents it tasted like it had soap in it. Now I love ridiculously ginger heavy dishes.

Sounds pretty similar to my experiences well. Was not much of a fan as a kid but thoroughly enjoy it as an adult.

Speaking of ginger, have you ever tried galangal? It's similar to ginger but more earthy, zesty and less sweet. Used in many Thai dishes.

I mean, we're not talking about a clean or fresh or citrussy taste of perfumed soap. We're talking someone did the dishes with dish soap and didn't properly rinse afterwards. That's genuinely what I thought had happened when I learned of cilantro.