[Vote] Should we defederate hexbear?
2y 9mon ago by sh.itjust.works/u/goat in agora@sh.itjust.works
Say “aye” or yes" if you are in favour defederation.
Say “nay” or “no” if you are against defederation.
Only users who have a sh.itjust.works account can vote. Fresh accounts won't be counted.
Yes.
I’m sensitive to racial issues but the way they go about discussing them devalues them in the same way that I used to devalue them, and reliving my mistakes in every comment section is killing me. Also, everything turns into twitch chat after they arrive.
Sorry to hear that
Aye. If I want to see their content I can read it on a hexbear amount. They just flood my feed with memes and only barely tangentially related comments that are trying to bait people into saying something that they think gives them the high ground. They're like the arch Linux users of identity politics.
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I knew that the toxicity of reddit was affecting me, but I didn't realize just how much until the move to Lemmy back in June. Everything was just so nice, people just happily chatted in comments, most disagreements were talked through or an "agree to disagree" arrangement was reached. Seeing the rude, angry people and the trolls creep back in was so disappointing (though I do realize it's inevitable. I used to mod forums back in the day.) Having a good chunk of those negative types on one instances is a positive thing, though. With the tools at hand, we can nip it in the bud by just blocking the lot of them.
Something I think people forget in all these many posts about blocking instances is that blocking is not a permanent thing. The mods aren't hitting the big red button and nuking the instance from existence forever. It can be undone. Times change, people change, forums/subreddits/instances change as they age. If it looks like things may have improved in a blocked instance, the ban can be lifted.
Thank you for the read!
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They're obviously here just to troll and brigade. The offer nothing of value, while making this instance more annoying.
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I was going to vote against it on principle, but I'm just really tired of their shit.
Aye. They're more or less another Exploding Heads: an echo chamber with a potent and very precise set of opinions which they smear all over any wall they can find.
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As much as it's funny watching tankies whataboutism and fake outrage, it gets to be too much with their spam taking up most of the oxygen in the room.
Hexbear behaves like the average /b/ /r9k/ /pol/ user
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Check back when we can whitelist individual members who have proven their ability to post in good faith on other instances. Or in ten years to see if Hexbear's culture isn't toxic anymore.
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I'm just sitting here on Kbin wondering what the hell is happening, and eating a cookie.
Anyone else want a cookie? They're peanut butter chocolate chip!
Edit: oh ok I read about whats happening. Wow. What a mess. You guys seem to hate eachother with a passion so I feel like defederating is the only way to keep things from being a constant flame war. Though I will say I definitely lean towards the "hexbear is a little batshit" side of the argument lol.
I’d also like a cookie while I also wander out from Kbin to read about what’s happening.
Edit: I don’t see it. Suggesting defederation of an entire instance seems extreme. I’m genuinely curious what am I missing?
https://sh.itjust.works/post/4188546
One of several spicy threads in the SJW main community right now. I'm not actually sure how to link that properly.
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Aye. The trolling and brigading needs to stop.
Hexbear users remind me of the lulzsec days. They used to think they were special but really they were just fucking annoying.
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not sure if my vote is counted since I made the thread
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I like messing with hexbear users, they have no idea how anything works, they can't downvote, they're easy to ban, and they are so damn fun to troll. Buuut they are also very annoying, so I can totally understand the yes.
I block them mostly. They are easy to troll though because they spend most of their time reposting the same memes in their echo chamber. It's like they're all people too young to experience /b/ in the 2000s.
Just mention something like "human rights" and see what happens.
The heyday of /b/ (with the caveat that /b/ was never good) was 16 years ago now.
If we assume Hexbear is made up of Gen Z who are in their early 20s, they would've been ~4 years old. Hell, even the oldest Gen Z would've been ~10. Not exactly the prime age for /b/.
My guess is that Hexbear is a mix of Gen Z who never experienced the peak days of 4chan (and thus never got the edginess out of their system), plus Gen Alpha who are young and stupid.
A lot of Hexbear has their heart in the right place. It's just their minds are fucking crazy. Like, you can't support fascism and genocide just because "America bad".
Yes, America bad.
Yes, America institutionally bad.
Yes, America not fixable for at least a decade (or longer).
But that doesn't mean it's time to blindly support China and Russia. Especially when both countries are blatantly anti-LGBTQ. China shut down an LGBTQ center amidst a larger crackdown on LGBT rights; Russia is... Russia.
Brilliantly said.
I think it's very telling of these individuals who rarely, or not at all, talk about modern-day Vietnam or Cuba, actual communist states. They don't care about communism.
Or mention something like Xinjiang.
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I mean it's in their tags, maybe don't be a shit head
Like fuck their unironic shitposting and acting like they're making a positive change in the world but don't act like using the wrong pronouns is anything but being a dumbass
i always use the right pronouns
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Aye. Trolls and assholes that only generate negativity.
sorry, your vote's not counted pal! only SJW users!
Oops, didn't look at the instance.
Aye, theyre spam is fucking annoying. Also the brigading is getting old.
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aye, I don't really care whatever politics bullshit they have going on there
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Aye aye aye, blocked em already in my app.
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Yes. I just made an account on lemmy.world for the sole purpose of avoiding them.
It'd be nice to not have to leave my main instance
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Toxic sludge.
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Can someone please explain to me what is wrong with them? Generally curious.
hahaha just check the replies to your comment.
what would you like to know?
What is hexbear?
Why would the people who want to defederate say that it should be defederated?
Hexbear is "a leftist social platform centered around community building through discussion, shitposting memes, and sharing content."
It's a self-proclaimed sister-site to lemmygrad.ml, which is an extremist red-fascist community. Hexbear was created after reddit banned the hate subreddit, /r/chapotraphouse.
/c/meanwhileongrad has some examples of both types of content these communities encourage, but you should check them out for yourself.
Though this is not a description of what hexbear is, you probably will be interested in my post where I stated why I wanted to defederate from hexbear: https://lemm.ee/post/5751850(shameless self-plug, I know)
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I blocked them myself in connect for Lemmy.
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I do not comment much but Yes ! They have been nothing but trouble sense they showed up !
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I cast my yes vote in another comment to avoid issues with counting votes, but... are the results of this consequential in any way? shitjustworks admins have already stated they don't really care. will they abide by the results of this, or will it they just release another "we hear you but too bad" statement?
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1 vote to defederate.
No. But I hope users get the ability to block instances they don't like.
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Why? What's even going on? Why are people voting aye?
Man, browsing the chapotraphouse community there... They really like their CCP, eh? Still not too keen on the reaction to me asking to be brought into the loop here tho
Because hexbear is full of obnoxious idiots that derail every thread they see.
Ok but I see people in that one hexbear thread saying the same thing about SJW
That sounds like a toxic relationship worth separating over. We are too rude to coexist, let’s defederate ASAP to spare them our intolerance. Jokes aside, they’re too immature and numerous. You block one, three more pop up with genocide denial and accusations. I started out sincerely empathetic to them but they rapidly became the Australians to my Moot. I guarantee they’ll radicalize you in their own unique way, and I wish there were a way to set a timer for a year from today to say “I told you so.”
No need, after browsing their site for more than a few minutes I figured out just how tanky they are, and swapped my vote to a yes
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The main issue is that they aggressively defend countries like Russia, China, and North Korea. The simplified reason for this is that they are communist countries that, they claim, are oppressed by sanctions and misrepresented by the west.
They also really like whataboutisms.
It's sad because most former redditors might actually agree with a lot of their leftist beliefs, but hexbear users seem to be very stuck on supporting and making excuses for fascist regimes.
I now brace myself for a flood of downvotes and replies. I beg of you, please keep the whataboutamerica replies to a minimum. I already know and agree that america does bad things too.
But don't you know America is bad, therefore it's OK to round up Uyghurs in concentration camps?
Just kidding, you're 100% right.
The real thing wrong with Hexbear is that their favorite sports are brigading, trolling, and namecalling. As you'd expect from that list they are also pro-authoritarian.
it's not brigading when a post appears on their feed and they click on it, especially when the post is about them
They are hardcore defenders of fascist countries like Russia and China. They also deny the ongoing genocide of Uyghers.
Sometimes they say the darnedest things
I've also found if you push back, even in the most circlejerky of threads, they get kinda mad and call you names
I don't have an opinion on defederation.
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Please silo yourselves.
I'm probably going to personally. But as a site, I haven't seen enough to wasn't to do that.
Again, limited info to go on.
But no.
Until I see reason to change that. They are a confusing bunch though.
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I don't think they've been rule-breaking, I just think they're generally a bit heavy-handed with rhetoric / annoying
thank you wheegee.
Nay.
Provided the moderators on sh.itjust.works feel capable of dealing with any outright hate speech or harassment from that community, I think most of us are big enough people we can deal with hearing differing view points. If someone has a big enough problem with a single user or community, there is always a user-side block as well. My only reservation would be if the degree of spam/harassment is over taxing our community moderators. I recall how many of us in sh.itjust.works were offended when Beehaw defederated us -- for the same sort of reasons (too much spam, too much harassment, the wrong kind of people, etc etc etc).
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But if better moderation tools don‘t come into existence, we should reconsider.
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You know this is not the way it works here, so this is trolling. Open a voting ticket by starting a discussion thread, perhaps?
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they are all very cringe but not worth defederation
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I mean, who would be left to debate politics with? People who agree with me?
Why debate extremists?
Nay, for now. I have to believe open discussion is good and healthy for the larger ecosystem. I support blocking individual offenders and communities as needed, and perhaps the instance should revisit this question after 30 days minimum.
Nay, I don't really see any problem woth their content or posts. Not that I agree with what they say and some of their communities, but for example their games community has interesting content.
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Individual sh.itjust.works users can block instances and communities, and mods can ban hexbear users that break community rules. I'm not convinced that defederation is needed (yet), but open to being proven otherwise.
There is non instance blocking except for certain apps.
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My beliefs aren"t so fragile that they're threatened by opposing viewpoints, even those that may not be put forth in good faith.
And I can simply block (the relatively small (?) proportion of) users that don't engage in good faith.
Hexbear user Detected.
Their acct is three months old
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Isolate them and they'll only get worse and their issues will seethe into everything, let them join the wider world and the edgy ones amoung them will get bored.
Really? I've found it the opposite.
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Your only posts (two) are defending hexbear.
Tbf, their account is more than a month old
I'm not a shitjustworks user, but No. Allow individual people to block Hexbear if they wish to, but also keep it federated so those who want to talk to hexbear users can.
there's no option to block instances yet
But you can block every community in it, it will take you like two minutes.
That doesn't help when they come into local communities to stir up drama
Hey all,
I will be locking this voting thread as they do not conform to the Agora guidelines.
- Voting threads should run from Friday to Friday
- Voting threads should be started by a member of The Agora moderation team and must reference the discussion thread.
In addition, it appears that hexbear has reversed their decision and has removed us from their allowed list.
As Lemmy looks to add the ability for users to decide which instances they want to blocked on a per user basis, I hope these types of defederation conversations discussion become less common.
I'd like to give a thanks to the admin at hexbear carc0sa who reached out to us in the last week in order to coordinate some mutual moderation between instances.
Lastly over the last week I've read a lot of back and forth between instances and want to leave you with this.
As people we all have the right to our own opinions and beliefs. Sometimes from time to time we might come across someone who doesn't share these same opinions or beliefs. Instead of using these differences as reasons to divide us, I hope we as people can get to a point where we can use it to make us more understanding, knowledgeable, accepting and united.
As things such as Natural Disasters continue to rise globally there might be a day where the person who you disagree with is the same person who is helping you or a loved one. It won't matter if they are a leftist, rightist, white, black, LGBTQ. What will matter is whether they are a decent human being who understands that while opinions make differences they can choose to not be divide by it.