keepandroidopen — this is the final push for our freedom of choice. Without swift action, Europe risks losing control and paying a high price to stay connected to the digital world we value.
3mon 20d ago by mastodon.social/users/jfr_1980 in lineageos@lemmy.ml
@keepandroidopen — this is the final push for our freedom of choice. Without swift action, Europe risks losing control and paying a high price to stay connected to the digital world we value.
Here are some alternative operating systems to consider:
- @GrapheneOS
- @lineageos
- @murena /e/OS
- @sailfishosnews
Let’s explore these options or develop other alternatives to keep our digital future open and accessible.
@jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen Wait until the Graphene OS team shows up here roasting you for citing other operating systems XD
Regardless of that being true - which I believe to be, GrapheneOs is still the most advanced private Android alternative. Unfortunately, it being available only on Pixela is a downside.
I hope they will consider other potential phones, like Fairphones.
@hornedfiend While Graphene OS is undoubtedly one of the best operating systems for Android devices, its team's behavior towards other Free and Open-Source Software (FOSS) projects is concerning. A diverse and free market is crucial in the open-source community.
However, the Graphene OS team often comes across as dismissive and inferior towards other projects, repeatedly launching attacks while being defensive and unreceptive to criticism of their own product. This behavior can make the digital environment on platforms like Mastodon unpleasant.
GrapheneOS has a strong reputation for this, so I urge the team to rethink their approach and stop using copy‑and‑paste responses to criticize other projects. Their product is excellent, and with a more constructive attitude, they could make a very positive impact.
@hornedfiend It seems they blocked me after making unfounded statements about me. Now I'm unable to respond. Did I say something wrong? Not really. That's the issue: they seem unable to accept criticism.
And this is why they will never be anything more than a nieche -labeit a good one - alternative solution.
You need to have both a strong ideology but at the same time accept criticism in a mature way. I am feeling 2nd hand embarrassment for such behaviours.
Edit: Wait,I'm confused. Who blocked you? I assumed Graphene devs.
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen It's not surprising to see someone with an online identity based around content from a prominent Kiwi Farmer is making disingenous attacks on our project and team. We're going to continue countering the dishonest claims about us with factual information. You're trying and failing to misdirect away from it.
From your bio:
> I'm part of the LGBTQ+ community
Meanwhile, you support Kiwi Farmers and their attacks on us:
@GrapheneOS @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen Wait, what is wrong with LGBTQ+???? 😳
I think what they're saying is that this person who has " I'm part of the LGBTQ+ community" is also supportive of Kiwi Farms, which has been known to harass lgbtq+ individuals, among others.
CC: @GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social @helloclippy@techhub.social @jfr_1980@mastodon.social @keepandroidopen@techhub.social
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen /e/OS is a fake privacy project. It has very poor privacy and extraordinarily poor security. It fails to provide users with basic updates and protections. They market it as private but yet have user tracking, send sensitive user data to third party services without consent and fail to keep up with basic privacy patches/protections. They market it as degoogled and yet is has far more Google services and privileged Google app/service integration than AOSP.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen It makes far more sense to use LineageOS itself rather than a sketchy fork from an organization and company which have engaged in years of attacks on actual privacy projects. Giving money to Murena is contributing to harming actual privacy and security efforts on mobile. Using /e/ hands your data to authoritarians on a silver platter. It's far less defended against attacks than using an iPhone. No surprise governments against secure devices are funding it.
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen divide to control them all, they say ! Topic was about being able to install open source app after google lockdown . WE NEED TO BE UNITED FFS. I don't give a f*ck about privacy , this will raise the cost and kill any european alternative to attack US big tech x US wish to replace human by robots after landing napalm on all non align countries vision please
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Murena are scammers who have heavily invested in destroying GrapheneOS. That includes the founder of /e/ and Murena (Gaël Duval) actively participating in harassment towards our team. He has repeatedly spread harassment content from Kiwi Farms and even a blatant neo-nazi website.
SailfishOS was made in close partnership with the authoritarian Russian government.
The values of the people involved in both organizations are atrocious and no allies of ours.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Jolla tacitly supported Russia's invasion of Ukraine prior to 2022, assassinations of political opposition and attacks on the European Union. They only changed course when it became untenable for them to continue. They began working with Russia after their invasion of Ukraine and the imposition of many sanctions since they started their partnership in 2015. It's absolutely atrocious.
Murena spreading Kiwi Farms and neo-nazi harassment content is awful too.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Here's one of many cases of Duval doing that:
https://archive.is/SWXPJ
https://archive.is/n4yTO
You can easily confirm this is a neo-nazi conspiracy site. The content is clearly harassment content based around fabrications from Kiwi Farms. It links to content from Kiwi Farms members. The context was Duval trying to take advantage of authoritarian pressure on GrapheneOS in France as part of them cracking down on encrypted messaging and secure devices.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen We won't participate or support anything which involves or includes /e/ and Murena. Including them is excluding the people who they've spent years targeting with fabricated stories and harassment. If our support is wanted then people can stop including serial harassers and scammers. There is no coming back from what they've done to us. There will be no unity or collaboration with people who have done what they have. They should leave the industry completely.
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen good to know about sailfish ! I ll check on murena , it sounds like fierce competition ? I dont get the why ? Still trying to find out best alternative outside the trumposphere. Europe needs to create more links with commonweatlh and Mercosur. You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone , we are not in 20th century anymore , we need large adoption options and convince mainstream media to support . the time is now.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen GrapheneOS is a privacy and security hardened OS greatly improving those areas. /e/ is the direct opposite of it. /e/ massively reduces privacy and security compared to AOSP. /e/ lags extremely far behind on privacy/security patches including major OS updates required for full patches. /e/ adds a bunch of invasive services including one sending user data to OpenAI along with a bunch of always on Google services and privileged Google service integration.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Instead of doing local processing for speech-to-text as Apple and GrapheneOS are doing, /e/ has a supposedly private service for it which actually just sends the sensitive user data to OpenAI and calls it anonymized since they pass it through their own servers:
https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using-open-ai/70509
It's representative of their approach. You should read https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private and the third party content from Divested Computing, Mike Kuketz and Eylenburg linked there.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen A serious alternative to GrapheneOS is using an iPhone 17. Apple is providing strong privacy and security. They have their own end-to-end encrypted cloud services too but people can use many alternatives to those such as the Proton app suite on GrapheneOS.
/e/ isn't in the same space at all and we don't consider it competition. We worry about what Apple is implementing and how we can stay ahead / keep up, not a project doing nearly the opposite of us.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The reason we have a major issue with /e/ and Murena is because they've spent years misinforming people about GrapheneOS as part of falsely marketing their products/services. It's very much a for-profit company putting money about ethics. /e/ also has a separate non-profit which is used to build the products for the for-profit while funding them with grants / donations. The same people control both and are directly profiting from the supposed non-profit.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen
> You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone
There are companies selling phones with GrapheneOS.
You'll be happy to know one of the top 10 Android OEMs by sales is announcing a partnership with us early next month (March 2026). They're making devices meeting all of our requirements for updates and security features which will launch in 2027 with official support for GrapheneOS and perhaps variants with it preinstalled.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Pixels are currently the only available devices providing reasonable security combined with proper alternate OS support. That's why those are the only devices we currently support. There are companies in Europe such as NitroKey selling phones with them which are not partnered with us and we aren't involved in it but it's permitted by the open source licensing. Our OEM partnership is a much different thing since the devices are being improved to support it.
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen what about #punkt. with #AphyOS ? Apparently outdated tech and weak OS but still made in europe and provided with @threemaapp @protonprivacy @european_alternatives ? Just need some marketing to reach mainstream adoption
https://www.punkt.ch/fr/products/mc03-premium-secure-smartphone
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen the topic is not privacy nor ethics. Topic is provide freedom of choice and mainstream alternatives to people that cannot vote in US and sufffer from US administration madness. The missing dollar strategy to any US subordinated company by promoting products based on sovereignty marketing and make people switch to non us products to attack stock markets #MADEoutUSA
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Yet all of those are largely made with US tech. You're going to need to avoid the Snapdragon, the Linux kernel and a massive amount of other tech if you want to avoid technology primarily made and controlled within the US. A company being geographically located within the US doesn't mean the components and software they're using aren't largely US tech.
Europe is leading the charge on age verification, cracking down on end-to-end encryption, etc. not the US.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The EU passed Chat Control in a somewhat watered down form but it still passed. It's not going to be the end of it. We wouldn't feel very comfortable if we were based in the EU. We had to leave France and French providers entirely to protect our users because they've gone after organizations for providing secure devices before and started threatening to do the same to us due to GrapheneOS protecting devices from commercial exploit tools.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Are you really so confident that France, Germany and other European countries aren't going to elect authoritarians? If you move to an OS and services largely marketed and based around the fact that they're French, you can't expect them to protect you from a future French government violating human rights even more than the current government. Governments are largely backing the whole digital sovereignty push because they want access and control themselves.
Again, I don't know if you are bot or not... But Jolla started the process to move away from Russia in all forms already in 2021.... so nothing to do with Russian last offensive.
But sure, they did do business inside Russia after illegal annexation of Crimea. Like almost all companies in the world. Not the brightest move from any of them. But to claim that Jolla had something to do with Russian assassinations and other criminal activities is just a lye
@Antti Jolla began closely partnering with Russia in 2015, a year after their invasion of Crimea. They were fully aware they were partnering with an authoritarian regime engaging in assassinations, invasions and ethnic cleansing. Jolla demonstrated their values with this partnership and they're absolutely not people who believe in personal freedoms, privacy or who have any backbone to stand up to authoritarianism. They chose that partnership and chose to be largely owned by Russia.
Sure, I said that as well. But most of your comment didn't base on any facts. Didn't every company back in the days do that? Didn't all the countries basically keep doing business as usual? And Russians owned around ~20% at their peak. So still they didn't have even close the majority saying in the company
@Antti No, not many companies based in Europe directly partnered with the Russia government starting after they invaded Ukraine. That's not business as usual, that's directly working with authoritarians. No amount of your lies about when the partnership and ownership ended or the extent of it is going to successfully cover it up. Jolla is run by people not aligned with individual rights and certainly not aligned with the well being of the EU. Their marketing is as hollow as their values.
Most of the companies didn't either leave Russian market as they had been there always.... point one thing I have said that is lye and proof it? You currently just saying a lot of things that you don't base anything factual and when I point that out you move to to next topic
I don't know if you are bot or something, but SailfishOS isn't something that was made together with Russian?
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen SaifishOS is a closed source OS bringing the lack of privacy and security on desktops to mobile.
SailfishOS began working with Putin's regime in 2015 after his initial invasion of Ukraine. They closely worked with the Russian government for years. A Russian state enterprise had near majority ownership of Jolla. They only began seriously trying to split away from Russia in 2022. It's still the same people with the same values who made a deal with the devil.
Only very small portion of actual OS isn't fully open? Someone could say it to be blatant lye to say it is closed, when only UI is closed.
It is true that Jolla did business inside Russia 2015-2021, which wasn't smart, but so did everyone else. So blaming just them is weird. And they wanted to get out of Russia before 2022 invasion. Russian state company owned around ~20% at its peak of Jolla. I wouldn't round that to be near majority.... Facts straight next time?
@Antti They didn't choose the licensing for the portions of SailfishOS not developed by them. They didn't make the Linux kernel or choose the GPLv2 license it uses. For the majority of what they've developed themselves rather than taken from others, the code is closed source. The project itself is largely closed source. you're trying to present it as if code they took from elsewhere should be credited to them while meanwhile the portions they actually made which is mainly the UI are closed.
Well I guess you know that there is a little bit other parts also as only UI.... But sure, what you said!
@Antti The UI and application layer which is largely closed source is in fact a huge portion of what they've made and is not the only part of SailfishOS which is closed source.
Like I said, whatever you say! Would you say that Graphene is actual independent operating system made from scratch?
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Putin was busy killing off political opposition with assassinations and working towards destroying the EU while they were closely working with his government for years. SailfishOS is largely closed source so it can't simply be forked, but the Russian government has a fork of it called AuroraOS since they were partners. Jolla claims to no longer be involved with Russia but it's the same management who worked with them for years. Keep an eye on that post-war.
Nice topic that I would like to see discussed mich more! We are indeed in urgent need to again have more options outside the US duopoly. Personally I would like to see more independent alternatives getting mature enough. Problem is and always will be the app ecosystem. I hope that at least in EU we would see some law mandating that critical services should be available outside the duopoly