What search engine do you guys use?
3mon 18d ago by feddit.online/u/thethrilloftime69 in asklemmyI'm trying to degoogle. I've heard good things about DuckDuckGo and I've been using it for the past few weeks and it's pretty solid. But I'm just wondering what the Lemmy/Piefed community prefer for a search engine.
Qwant/Ecosia.
Used to use Kagi (paid search engine, if you don't know it) which was truly remarkable and well worth its cost, at least in my eyes. But, as a EU citizen, last year US shit show, made me realize I'd better rely less on US-based tech. So...
Agreed. If anyone knows about an EU (or allies) search engine with a business model that's not strictly based on advertising (topped up by grants perhaps), let us know.
I use Ecosia/Qwant for now.
Yeah I'm with Qwant for the moment.
I used to use Kagi.
I used to use DDG before that.
I don't really have any complaints about any of these.
I'm trying to get better at using bangs to search on the sites I'm specifically looking for.
Just curious, what made you change from Kagi?
The CEO said some stuff.
IIRC a blogger said something unfavourable and he went thermo nuclear. Not that big a deal.
At the time though it seemed like the alternatives were just as good.
NoAI DuckDuckGo (noai.duckduckgo.com)
it has decent enough results and disables the unwanted AI features (I don't want to prompt an LLM whenever I search something)
I am willing to switch to something else, right now DDG is good enough.
TIL about that option, thanks.
I think I have it set to only prompt when I click the button, which is the same domain, and still leaves the option
Kagi. I know it gets trash talked for several reasons, but I've used ecosia, duckduckgo, tried searxng, and now I’m back to Kagi. I just like it better all around.
Been a Kagi user for about 6 months now. Not one negative thing to say. So refreshing to have good results again.
Kagi user since 2022, according to my account. I'll admit that I rarely ever cross-check with other search engines. I like their assistants too (they are basically re-selling access to all big LLMs in their Ultimate tier). But you don't really need those, what keeps me there are the good search results. (And the ability to easily block/raise whole domains on the results.)
I love being able to flip on the "forums"or "fediverse" scope when I'm looking for opinions or recommendations. It saves me having to scroll through a bunch of resellers, manual reporters, fake review sites, AI listicals, etc.
It feels like spam to mention Kagi since it's all over the place (even on Hacker News), but I've been a subscriber since the beginning and it made me a "2x programmer" due to their good results.
If I had no money left, I would try SearXNG.
I tired it. I'm not unintelligent, and it was far too complex of a setup for me. I did not care for it. But that's just me.
For programming questions why not use an LLM? The days of searching a specific problem are long done. LLM+Documentation is all you really need now days.
I learn a lot while I search. LLMs may or may not hallucinate, and I'm not learning.
Depends how you use LLMs. I didn't say use LLM to solve the problem, I have it breakdown the documentation and make it easier to read/provide examples of usage + explain the steps.
Stackoverflow also has incorrect answers always marked as correct and isn't a great source to learn from, the best way to learn is just reading documentation and having breakpoints to read the data coming in.
I had to make a stackoverflow back in the day to correct so many incorrect answers.
I'm using paid Kagi subscription, and it makes searching for stuff feel like it used to before Big Tech broke the internet. I can actually find what I'm looking for again.
The "SlopStop" feature is worth it alone, but I love how I can choose what types of results and sources to prioritize.
10/10 Highly recommended.
Kagi. Every once in a while I tried out Qwant, but it's just not there yet.
Can you describe why you think its better than Qwant or DDG? I tried it but didn't felt that much difference to have an account for search engine.
being able to block/downrank/uprank domains from search results, being able to block AI from search results, rewriting URLs (for example, reddit.com to old.reddit.com), kagi translate, bangs (ddg has them but qwant does not)
I don't know how those search engines evolved, but last time I checked (a few years ago), Qwant was the worst search engine ever, and DDG was pretty average. I don't know how Kagi works, but it's good for every query. I usually don't recommend it because it's expensive ($10 a month) but it really changed how I work, especially for programming topics.
As an example, Qwant still uses w3schools as the reference for C++, which is some "4chan trolling" level of stupidity.
I've used DDG for the past 7 years or so. When ever I don't find what I'm looking for I just add g to the search term and it Googles it for me.
DDG works 90% of the time but it does perform worse than Google sometimes
Quite a lot of the time. It's pretty damn awful, actually.
Startpage
Kagi. Well worth the money.
DDG is good enough for me.
If I had the money, I would at the very least try Kagi, but for now I'm just surfing with DuckDuckGo using their "noai(dot)duckduckgo(dot)com" link. Auto turns off their dumb "duck ai" nonsense and using their filters to try and hide genAI images.
I also looked it up because I was curious and if the source is correct, I learned that the "noai" part of that link is a subdomain.
The only independent search engines that support my native Japanese are Google, Bing, Brave, and Yep.
Of these, I generally search using Brave, and if I'm not satisfied with the results, I search again using DuckDuckGo.
I don't use Yep because of its strict bot restrictions.
Also, on the rare occasions when I need to do an exact match or a search using site:, for some reason, Brave and DuckDuckGo are useless, so I reluctantly use Google, which is a shame.
As someone living in Japan, I do not recommend QWant, which is recommended in this comment section.
As I've commented before, this is because the service geoblocks countries that have non-Western languages as their official languages.

I'm brazilian, our official language is Portuguese, and Qwant is not available here either. It seems they don't understand that people can speak two or more languages? They could just put an "English-only results" warning, but ok.
same for korea, qwant used to work but they seemed to have blocked access around 2023 or so
As someone studying Japanese, oooo that's awesome I gotta check them out! :D
I use Qwant and Ecosia.
Qwant and Ecosia are especially notable for their efforts to build an independent search index.
For those who don't know, most "independent" search engines, including DDG, still rely on Bing or Google results behind the scenes. They basically just act as a middleman by taking your query, forwarding it to one of those providers, and then returning the results to you. Some of them will attempt to reshuffle the order of those results to push the ones they think are best towards the top, but they're still fundamentally limited to what Google and Bing choose to give them.
Presently a lot of Qwant and Ecosia searches go through Bing, but they're collaborating to build an independent index which will allow them to become fully independent. I believe they're already serving a mix of results from Bing and their own index, with plans to bias more and more towards their index as it matures.
DuckDuckGo.
Like others have said, there's really no getting around that Google has the best search engine from a functional standpoint. So I use DuckDuckGo for my personal reasons, but if I'm dissatisfied with the results, I will open up a "private" browser and do a Google search.
Edit: I'll add that this doesn't happen very often. The last time I had to do this was maybe a month and some change ago.
I use DDG as well. Have for years now, it's actually gotten to the point where it gives similar if not better results than Google Search for me now.
searxng (self hosted). But I understand not everyone can host something. There are public instances out there as well.
Not necessarily.
You configure which engines you want it to use.
Although lately the list of engines which are working well seems to be quite small.
Yes, but my search data doesn't leave my house. Also since my IP changed multiple times a week (not quite daily, but close), I prefer this to using someone else's instance. There is some obfuscation to be gained by searching through a public insurance as well, but my insurance is still used by multiple people, not just me.
I use DDG on everything, even the work PC. It works well enough for my purposes. I don’t even hate duck.ai and it can be useful, but I’ll double check anything I take from it.
Yes, I think DDG is actually being quite reasonable with its AI integrations so I have nothing against it and would rather have it than not.
Duck no AI version
i used to use duckduckgo, still sometimes do. but i switched to qwant and i think i like it better
No ai ddg has been a decent general search engine, but if I can't find something I'll us marginalia, mojeek, alltheinternet, and even yandex (if I'm desperate). For your research: InstallGentoo Wiki has a fairly comprehensive list of search engines albeit not the most up to date; Seirdy has a blog post reviewing many search engines including some more niche ones; and The Search Engine Map illustrates which engines use what index.
Mostly DuckDuckGo but I do want get kagi at some point. I’ve also been trying searxng self hosted but I want to use it more before I judge it since I probably still need to tweak some settings.
I used ddg and startpage, they are both great. Although I slightly perfer ddg, but stays with startpage because it is european.
I also turn on ads to support them. However, now I have more money but less time to scroll pass all these ads, I switched to kagi, which is ad-free and fast. The price is not cheap and they are not based in Europe (they are registered in the U.S. with employees all over the world, which is technically better than U.S. centric ddg), however there is no alternatives that I am aware of.
https://search.marginalia.nu/is pretty awesome for getting human generated / small web content.
If I'm looking for people sharing my hyper-fixation https://aboutideasnow.com/is excellent. https://searchmysite.net/is a indieweb opti-in only tool with similar usecases but not much is there. Lemmy
https://www.mojeek.com/I have as my default browser search to try to support as its the only real large index comparable to Google and Bing (DDG uses), but it falls short a lot.
DDG is my primary engine when I need something fast / the others don't work.
If I can't find it in the small web and regular search fails, I'll sometimes try the udm14 Google trick https://udm14.com/
After that its posting to the askfedi hashtag (or ask here)
Kagi for well over a year now
I use Qwant. Works great for everything I want it to do. Or ecosia if im on safari.
DuckDuckGo: good all-around search engine
Searx: when I'm feeling extra FOSS
Kagi: when I need Google from 10-15 years ago. Has a cool "lenses" feature that let's you target the type of sites the results come from. (Kagi is one of those rare moments where I use something proprietary because the more open alternatives can't meet my needs yet.
Qwant on my computers and DDG on my mobile.
I'm quite crazy:
- Marginalia with the no JavaScript filter, then with that filter turned off
- Good for finding technical stuff, and sometimes recipes! I often find cool blogs this way.
- SearxNG via farside.link
- Unfortunately (and understandably) many of these sites use Anubis now, so I have to turn on JavaScript, and thanks to Google's ratelimits the results are either fantastic or not helpful at all
- But, the public instances can work, so I try with 3 instances before moving on
Depending on the thing I'm searching for, I have search shortcuts set up. These shortcuts are really handy. It seems much easier to get good results on dedicated search engines for each task, than finding another general purpose search engine that's as good:
- Wikipedia, Wiktionary and Wikidata
- Some other wikis
- Lemmy (of course!)
- Peertube and podcast indexes
- Websites of grocery shops near me
Finally, if all else has failed, I use Google (which still unfortunately happens at least a couple of times per day 🙁). Although, reading the posts now, I should switch this stage to DuckDuckGo instead.
I'd quite like to set up my own instance of SearxNG + YaCy at some point. It'd be nice to configure SearxNG to basically do all of these steps at once that I'm doing manually, prioritise my YaCy index, but use other engines to fill in the gaps, and then gradually fill in the gaps in my YaCy index.
Ecosia
I switched from DuckDuckGo to Waterfox's paid search engine (https://search.waterfox.com/) because I wanted to send a few dollars per month to a Firefox fork. It uses Google's search index, so the results are good, and it has no AI-generated responses. I just want a Firefox fork to be financially sustainable, so I'm paying for it. I don't think it has any advantages over noai.duckduckgo.com, though.
I'll also check https://marginalia-search.com/every once in a while, since I like the idea of an independent search engine with their own index. It also has some creative features around discovering small, related websites. Feels like an "early internet" search engine.
As much as I hate Microslop, I've been primarily using Bing because of the whole rewards thing they have. Although, I obviously wouldn't recommend using it and instead would recommend DuckDuckGo, Ecosia or OceanHero.
For those who haven't heard of OceanHero, their goal is somewhat similar to Ecosia but they work towards cleaning the Ocean.
I use Startpage, everything else kind of sucks imo.
I just started using this one. So far I'm looking it. The Shopping tab is useless, but the search and image results are refreshingly different from the garbage you get from Google or DuckDuckGo.
I forgot it had a shopping tab. I never used it in any other search engine that I can recall. Google has been ass for many years. I stopped using it years ago. I'll take Yandex over Google at this point. Also, Yandex is good for sailing the seven seas.
duck duck go is like firefox for me. I use it currently but im sorta moving away from it. I don't really have a good ddg replacement though.
i personally use ecosia
4get, I self host an instance
DDG performance has dropped for me. I use a mix of their app and Firefox loaded with a searxng.
Works like old Google, No ads, tends to reduce SEO sloop that DDG is susceptible to.
At home I use startpage. I find much better than ddg.
At work i use
- Startpage
- Bing
Because Im working with a MS product at work, sometimes Bing get better results when I search for something very specific work related.
Right now I alternate between DuckDuckGo and Ecosia. Google results have been getting worse and the forcing of AI summaries was the final straw for me to stop using even the g shortcut in DDG. At least DDG let's you disable them.
eTools and DDG, sometimes google/startpage. I'm surprised how little known eTools is.
I've been using the HTML only version of DuckDuckGo as my default since Google made JS mandatory to run searches. It works ok for most of the simple queries I make. (e.g. looking something up from the Python docs, MDN, etc.) I resort to Google still for the stuff it completely flubs.
Gone from probably 99% Google + 1% of other to maybe something like 95% DDG + 5% other (mostly Google).
Went from DDG to start page. I’d use kagi if they weren’t frugal with searches.
Startpage (which is a proxy for bing, but... Yeah)
search.brave.com is pretty good, as is DuckDuckGo. But I've lately taken a liking to qwant.com. it's pretty good and not American.
Quick! Look it up on AltaVista!
Not a traditional one, but https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/s/tvZQHU4Dbf.And if it doesn't show the results I want, I use Ecosia.
I'm using Metager - you pay a very small amount per search, the amount is defined by which indexes and options you configure to use. It's pretty cheap - I loaded up 10€ a few months ago and still have about 2/3 left, and it's adfree. There is also the option to use completely anonymous tokens to "pay" for your searches, which uses a little bit more of your balance, but can't be tied back to your account. Search settings are saved only locally in the history - using the browser extension prevents losing your settings when deleting browser data.
Ecosia mainly, I used to use kagi which I liked but I wasn't sure it was worth the cost although I was thinking about using it again as I really like their small web stuff.
I also used yandex for piracy stuff, I think they ignore all DMCA takedowns or something so it's much easier to find stuff on it
Brave is decent! I struggles with looking g for smaller local results sometimes. Like you really have to specify the town/cities for small businesses and stuff. Which I suppose is good. That probably means it's not creeping on your location constantly
Hard to escape Google for its consistency. At work though I use bing(it's trash) 😂
Edit: haters gonna hate, bing at work because I'm too lazy to switch defaults. Google for consistency, whether you like it or not 99% of the comments all says they use DDG and then admit they still use Google for consistency.
You'll find yourself always back to Google.
- Independent unlike DDG and other
- Parity with google for search results
- Actually good AI integration where it never hallucinates and only summarizes the sources it encounters
- Great integration of wikipedia, stackoverflow etc. into search results
- Great UI

Can you please expand on your arguments?
it's just a search engine bro, i swear the puritans on lemmy omzzzz
Man, I'm just curious. I upvoted your post. Don't know why you're getting angry.
my bad didn't mean to come off as angry
Yeah, shit happens, I get it.