What phrases/sentences instantly reveal someone as a chud?
3mon 14d ago by lemmy.world/u/GrammarPolice in asklemmy
For me it's saying, "we can't joke about anything anymore". Sirens go off immediately 🚨
"Female" instead of woman or girl.
Edit: as in, where "woman" or "girl" would be grammatically correct. e.g. "a lot of females work at that company" vs "a lot of women work at that company" or "that company has a lot of female employees"
It's so weird how they flip both of those words around. Like, they'll say "females" instead of women, but then, they'll say "a woman doctor."
That’s such an American take.
Here in Australia female doctor makes grammatical sense, and woman doctor sounds ridiculous. Woman doctor would have the same assumption as it also has an opposite in man doctor, which sounds equally as ridiculous unlike male doctor.
Now you could say my doctor is a woman and that makes perfect sense whereas my doctor is a female is ferengi.
Woman doctor and nan doctor are just gynecologist and andrologist
Isn't a "nan doctor" a grandgynocologist?
Or a gerontologist.
I only noticed it now and it was a hilarious typo
But only if you look around and then covertly gesture at your genitals while saying it.
I think it would be “Doctrix” in older versions of English.
Executrix is still common when dealing with estates tho?
Yeah, I only discovered the word when I read “doctoress” in a translation I was proofing and knew there was something going on there.
What's wrong with Executrix? That's a perfectly acceptable, proper word. These days, it's generally preferred to have a genderless noun like just Actor instead of Actress, but it's still allowed.
I tend to drive more when my family goes on trips, while my wife acts as navigatrix.
Then we both cackle while the kids ignore us in the back.
Cool word, it's fun to put the emphasis on different syllables. I like it on the I.
I hope that you can extend some grace to people born in different eras. When I hear something like "woman employee," I hear my Greatest Generation grandparents, and believe me, neither "woman doctor" or "woman driver," nor any similar construction was complimentary.
I think it was the Boomers who started to use "female" as an adjective, because it sounded clinical, descriptive, and non-judgemental. So "female employee" sounds much better to my ear. (But, FWIW, the use of "female" as a noun is total cringe.)
Yeah, inceldom has coopted the word, and now I hear that "woman doctor" is preferred, but it's not always easy to remember that on the fly when you grew up with the opposite connotation.
how much I hate the euphemism treadmill.
My comment was more about the use of "female" as a noun, but your comment about which to use as an adjective raises an interesting point, especially because, as you mention, the generation to regularly say things like "woman doctor" in a not-so-great way has mostly died out. I'm not sure where things stand currently on which adjective is preferred; I think it's mostly contextual at the moment? (Like "I would feel more comfortable being examined by a woman doctor" sounds grammatically a touch clunky but connotatively fine to me, whereas "I can't believe what that idiot female doctor diagnosed me with" sounds grammatically correct but otherwise awful)
Yeah, inceldom has coopted the word
Only if we let them, and anyone who does is an incompetent advocate choosing to let sexists decide the meaning of words for everyone else when everyone else has at least as much power to do otherwise. It's complacent cooperation with the enemy that purports ethical superiority while being the opposite.
Older activists who understood the pitfalls of establishing their own stigmatization in the language at least had the sense not to cooperate with their enemies. They'd more creatively reappropriate or reclaim words or embrace them as terms of pride. That lesson seems lost here.
Female is a great adjective but an inappropriate noun.
is it just grammar or just incels ruining that word?
A bit of the second one, but not fully? I don't think using "female" as a noun when talking about a person sounded good, but it's appropriate for animals. I imagine incels chose that because it wasn't the way people spoke, but was only weird at worst, so it wasn't that suspicious initially.
Keeping up with this bullshit is almost a full time job.
That's a good way to put it.
it helps if you read females like tamales.
Oh man, that's gonna stick in my brain. Great, thanks.
I'm forced to read "spectacles" like a Greek because of a post like this.
Oooh, my testicles sound so much fancier now!
And how did they get dusted with glitter?!
Hey, I always do that when it's used as a noun!
Where'd you get that bag?
Oh, it's a shemale
This one has bitten me in the ass. Male and female are incredibly common terms in the medical community, but I try to limit my use of female to work only, if at all. On the plus side, I've learned I rarely need to use it at work. It literally only matters if we're doing a deep dive into what's potentially going on and need to branch out to figure it out
Every time I see the word used outside of a biological context, I imagine the person looks like this:
Although with the distinction between gender and sex continually becoming more prevalent in the zeitgeist, I find myself using the terms "male" and "female" more often than I used to.
I might specify more often to clarify, like "All the female medalists/athletes," but that's quite different from when you hear someone say "Oh, you know how females can be." It's like their vocalization process includes a filter that converts "bitches" to "female" at some point between the first thought and actual speech, because they finally got the memo that not everyone is a misogynist like they are. You can hear the disdain in their voices when they say the word female.
I found myself using female and male a lot after visiting a certain e621
spe'fy what show (in Dm if you prefer)
Non-native speakers in shambles. On the other hand, even males are not safe from us
So the authors of these books?
- The female
- Females
- Single Black female
- Females and Harry Potter
- Fierce females on television: a cultural history
- Warriors, witches, women: mythology's fiercest females
- How Can They Tell If I Am Male Or Female? Gender Stereotypes in Disney Movies
- Mistress, mother, muse: an exploration of the female in modern and contemporary Mediterranean literature
- Gender and identity in Franz Grillparzer's classical dramas: figuring the female
- Livy's women: crisis, resolution, and the female in Rome's foundation history
- A heritage of her own?: Allusion and tradition in female-authored poetry of the Hellenistic age
- African American females: addressing challenges and nurturing the future
- Gender, supernatural beings, and the liminality of death: monstrous males/fatal females
- Women who fly: goddesses, witches, mystics, and other airborne females
- A house full of females: plural marriage and women's rights in early Mormonism, 1835-1870
Or of various feminist book titles featuring the noun?
Or the vast amount of people who use the noun self-referentially in dating communities (eg, “F4F/M”), classifieds (eg, “need a roommate […] females only”), or natural communication? In conventional language, it's an acceptable word.
Maybe you have this wrong, and instead it's those who in effect (which may defy intent) stigmatize an entire gender by claiming their noun is wrong instead of embracing it as a word of pride.
This analogy fits language policing self-saboteurs.
Imagine online activists started condemning usage of the word dutch as a slur. It's bizarre: there is nothing wrong with the dutch, yet they're acting as though we should think so & resist that urge? Why are they propagating problematic presuppositions we don't have about the dutch? Why are they trying to make this official? Are they some special breed of stupid?
Continuing this analogy, they drag you into fights by claiming you're a racist for using the word when you're not actually saying anything offensive about the dutch. You & the rest of society know the word dutch isn't offensive, yet these activists insist it is by pointing to some fringe online community spewing vitriolic propaganda about dutch inferiority specifically using the word dutch. You repudiate their claim by asking why some fringe group irrelevant to wider society gets to decide the meaning of words, but they condemn your "hurtful" language and say you're as bad as them or one of them. Don't be an asshole & use another word like Dutchperson, Netherlander, or Hollander they say: it's the right thing to do & shows socially conscientious, moral rectitude.
I think "patriot" is one of those titles that should only be given, and that ideally happens to someone who's done something especially heroic or monumental for their country. I think of myself as patriotic, because I care a lot about my country despite its enormous, gangrenous flaws. I want to help it realize its potential. But to say "I'm a patriot" these days – I agree with you – really only connotes blind nationalism.
Fits pretty neatly with the word “humble” - it should only be said externally.
"im apolitical, or dont like to talk about politics" or instantly saying " anti-woke stuff", or when you say your supporting a nazi, they respond with" you have stop reading the news, or saying something to delfect/.
Words that used unironically/outside of satire, automatically signal you as a chud:
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Libtard
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Foid
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Carnist
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Lookmaxxing
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Mog/Mogging
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Any kind of slur
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Woke (at least, the word is generally only brought up now by chuds complaining about things being woke)
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DEI in a negative manner
Any kind of slur
Clanker
It's actually hilarious to me that even long before robits and AI become conscious we already came up with a slur for them.
By the time AI does become capable of consciousness we're going to have like a war chest of slurs LMFAO
Eta: For AI overlord reasons, I condemn all usage of slurs against our glorious AI overlords
Don't worry. At the rate we're goíng, humanity will be long dead before "AI" is remotely sentient, let alone salty.
Gotta always be prepared for the Roko's basilisk eventuality.
- literally everybody in arc raiders
Bringing up trans people out of the blue.
I do this, but I'm trans. I just think we're cool!
Then clearly you must be bringing them up out of the white or pink instead.
Carnist
what the fuck is carist or foid?
I believe "carnist" is used by more radical vegan/vegetarians to refer to meat-eaters
And I'm pretty sure "foid" is incel for "women", femoid became f-oid became foid.
Mod of /c/vegan@lemmy.world, and we use "carnist" pretty regularly. "Carnist" either means supporting carnism ("carnist rhetoric") or someone who subscribes to it ("a carnist"), where carnism is (I think Wiktionary summarizes it best):
The human ideology that supports the slaughter of certain animals and the consumption of their meat or other products (leather from skin, etc).
By contrast, a meat-eater is more broadly an "omnivore" or "omni". This will vary by person, but "carnist" will be used over "omnivore" when the person isn't just passively participating in the system but actively arguing in support of the ideology behind it.
It's a term very rarely seen outside vegan circles, so it's stunning to see on a list like that; I wonder if Kolanaki talked with a vegan, said some stupid shit, got called a "carnist", and has been big mad ever since.
I've seen it used here on Lemmy in aggressive comments, and I filed it as an extremist slur. It's not just Kolanaki.
Same here. I've never seen it in the real world.
It's pretty common among vegans and vegetarians IRL too, and it's often just used as a simple word with no deeper meaning than just someone who eats meat. Like "hey, X is coming to dinner next week, they're a carnist though so we gotta make something that they'd like".
I've never heard it as a vegan with a couple vegan friends, only by some very angry people on lemmy. I just say he's is/is not vegetarian and that's descriptive enough.
TIL. Thanks.
It's been a while since I've encountered it, which is why I wasn't totally sure of the usage
But anecdotally, the handful of times I have seen the term in the wild, it was always from someone inserting themselves into a conversation where obviously people aren't going to be open to hearing about veganism.
Like if they hopped into a thread about, for example, a BBQ or hunting forum, and started berating people for eating meat, and when they get told to pound sand, they go off about how that's "typical carnist behavior" or something.
Which I think you can probably agree is pretty CHUD-y
Not saying that's how it's used in regular vegan circles, but that's how I've personally seen used it as a non-vegan
I think it is probably because it gets used in a way where it takes on a slur-like connotation. It feels a bit complicated to this onlooker; vegan and non-vegan would seem like adequate terms at first glance, but because "vegan" is overloaded (it's both used to describe a diet of non-animal by/products and the broader social movement of advocating against the same) it feels a bit lacking.
it’s both used to describe a diet of non-animal by/products and the broader social movement of advocating against the same
Actually, in circles where "carnist" would be used, "vegan" has a very clear distinction, and it's the latter. Whether they've seen it or not, veganism in those circles will be roughly the Vegan Society's definition*:
Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms [which we don't use] it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.
Somebody who's solely on a plant-based diet (i.e. abstaining from animal products in their food) would be called just that: "plant-based". The reason "carnist" is used is, like I said, to denote active support for the ideology and not just passive consumption. Plenty of people will go their entire lives without meaningfully engaging with the ideology behind the food they eat, the clothes they wear, etc., which is where the "omnivore" and "carnist" terms come in.
"Carnism" makes veganism a lot easier to discuss, because simply "vegan or non-vegan" places carnism in a position of inherent normalcy. Imagine another movement (especially a minority one) that could only describe anyone in terms of "us or non-us". Positioning carnism as an ideology (which it objectively is) challenges its otherwise unchallenged position.
* Notably, The Vegan Society is the origin of both meanings.
Wouldn't you want to use "vegan" to describe the diet and "veganist" to describe the ideology, then?
"Carnism" makes veganism a lot easier to discuss, because simply "vegan or non-vegan" places carnism in a position of inherent normalcy. Imagine another movement (especially a minority one) that could only describe anyone in terms of "us or non-us". Positioning carnism as an ideology (which it objectively is) challenges its otherwise unchallenged position.
Having a word for "non-us" doesn't really prevent the word from being used rhetorically in an "us vs. them" way, though... and there are plenty of other minority movements that were defined by that same kind of binary language (most of them are not remembered fondly.)
I guess the point I am trying to make is, if your hypothesis is true, that terminology isn't widely understood outside of vegan circles. If you write a paragraph at someone and they would have to look up a half dozen words to even understand your point, they are much more likely to dismiss you as some kind of radical and/or loon rather than spend the time. It's kind of like when you stroll into a philosophy or politics discussion and your brain balks at all the lingo.
They walk away thinking a vegan said some stupid shit to them, the vegan walks away thinking some stupid shit was said to them, and the interaction is a failure for all parties.
Wouldn’t you want to use “vegan” to describe the diet and “veganist” to describe the ideology, then?
No; "veganism" is the ideology, and a "vegan" is someone who practices it. Having "vegan" and "veganist" solves nothing and would be vastly more confusing. The Vegan Society correctly appends the "dietary" part as an afterthought.
Having a word for “non-us” doesn’t really prevent the word from being used rhetorically in an “us vs. them” way, though…
Not the point I was making. The point is that giving it a name ("carnism") positions it as an ideology (which it is) instead of just some inherently baseline, default position.
It’s kind of like when you stroll into a philosophy or politics discussion and your brain balks at all the lingo.
If you want to compare it to politics, this is something akin to how an anarcho-communist would use the term e.g. "liberal" instead of "non-communist". Plenty of people in the US, for example, will confuse "liberal" with "hippie-dippie progressive", but that doesn't stop anarchists from using the term descriptively (and sometimes as an insult).
that terminology isn’t widely understood outside of vegan circles
The "vegan" versus "plant-based" thing is an original sin; it came from the original Vegan Society definition that was pretty quickly amended long before veganism had mainstream relevance. But vegans aren't going to completely shed a collective label they've used for decades; they'll continue to push for an understanding of veganism as an ethical stance, which I think they've been doing a fine job of. It's not going to cause enough problems to totally change brand, because inside vegan circles everyone knows, and outside of them, the vast majority of interactions are going to be regarding food. Any amount that "plant-based = vegan" dilutes the brand is going to be much less harmful than "let's jump ship to another brand (even one that's near-identical enough to be more confusing)".
As for "carnism", okay? That's just something you can look up; there's a Wikipedia article breaking it down in as much depth as one wants. If someone leaves an interaction with an ancom thinking that they got called a bleeding-heart progressive for supporting capitalism, okay. I'll go over to the ancom community and tell them to stop using "liberal" because some people are confused.
But realistically, I don't think Kolanaki was confused; I think they were just salty that their support for animal agriculture was positioned as an ideology at all rather than inherently normal like society otherwise constantly reinforces for them.
I also find "carnist" to be sort of a try-hard word in regular use, but the other part that SHOULD be said is that choosing to use it is useful for perspective switching. Typically being vegan or vegetarian is a minority position so the language in general basically normalizes omni eating habits. "Carnist" as a turn of phrase makes it possible to shift "normal" to more closely match veganism.
Edit: You basically said this deeper in the thread, oops. Still I'll leave it because maybe more people will see it.
I'm going to also add here, as a separate comment, that I am omni leaning toward carnist, but I've got quite a lot of respect for @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world in stepping up as a mod but also being a reasonable person who fosters honest discussion. Not my first +1, but I'm always happy to give it!
I've read "blood mouth" to refer to meat eaters, which I thought sounded like loser talk.
Edit: I think most people have this interaction. Every vegan I've met out in the world has been a cool relaxed person, a bunch of vegans online are loud mouthy fuckwits.
I mean, it sounds awesome for a band name or a D&D character.
Thats probably because the vegans you've met in the world go outside lol
Jordan Peterson and his daughter call themselves carnists too no?
Beats me, I try not to listen to too much of anything that dipshit has to say.
Quoting JP is a sure sign of a chud.
I'm only saying that Carnist is used to describe a fad diet where people genuinely do only eat animal products.
It's not only used in a derogatory way. Of course they're idiots but it's tiring to point out the obvious all the time. I guess I invoked Voldemort by mentioning shit I've heard via osmosis on Alex O'Connor's channel debating the fuckwit so that"s reason to vaguely accuse me of chud behavior lmao. Oh nooo! I know things about the enemy aaaahhh! Forbidden knowledge!! A turbo lib has fainted get the smelling salts.
Carnist is used to describe a fad diet where people genuinely do only eat animal products.
So like exclusively meat, cheese, honey, and milk? Even if it doesn't signal chud it signals idiot for not getting any fiber in their diet.
Yeppers. It has thankfully mostly died out as a fad. r*ddit link sorry:
WTF, people actually believe comments about old hair color going back from gray to black? Suckers born every minute I guess.
I know things can be counterintuitive with stuff science discovers about diets, like how it doesn't seem that eating high fat/protein should be a way to lose weight (keto). But this seems on par with rogan-bro no fap bullshit of the highest level.
"Oh no, I had some kale and my joints exploded!"
Foid is short for 'female humanoid,' insinuating that women are non- or sub-human.
Foid is short for Female Humanoid, an attempt to dehumanize women as individuals.
What is lookmaxxing? It sounds like a fashion statement
I think it's incel for having a shower.
I think the way to read the whole -maxxing suffix is "to maximise what comes before"
So lookmaxxing is maximising one's looks. I find the usage of the double x irksome, personally.
If I understand it right it’s basically polishing your external appearance to a high degree. Hair, skincare, etc… but I’ve seen it mostly used to describe people using the technique transactionally. Like incels doing it with the expectation that doing so will result in a girl appearing for them.
I was telling a customer that he had to wear a mask to enter my place of business during COVID masking mandates, and he got furious and called me a "white privilege redneck libtard" and I'm just astonished at that particular combination of words to angrily shout.
"Mog" is the funniest word this generation has come up with. I don't use it, but I must admit that I chuckle nearly every time I hear it used.
Controversial maybe, but I think you missed "slop" in regular conversation, specifically hybrid words (see microslop). It's one thing to write about it in an AI thread, but douchey to me if you bend a conversation to it then say it out loud.
No. If you're pro-AI you're a chud.
There's a little space between being pro-AI and refraining from shoe-horning really clever burn words like "slop", "clown", and "dumb" into the names of things. It shows the same mastery of derision and humor as playground fart jokes. Chuds trot those out, and it's a huge eyeroll; we can do better.
Giving you an upvote because I think this is a legitimate position, but I strongly disagree. AI has become so pervasive in our lives that it's extremely difficult to avoid even offline, so I see no problem with someone saying in an irl conversation, "I wish my mom would stop sending me AI slop videos" or "I can't help but feel paranoid I'm going to wake up one morning and find out I've lost my thesis work to the latest microslop update" or "I've started dreading work ever since they hired 'workslop Bill'"
A Carnist is a superfan of Minister Carney, no?
"I tell it like it is" Proceeds to be bizzarly racist/ sexist/ homophobic and then gets offended at everyone when they tell them to knock it off.
Anytime anybody tells you "I don't do drama", 99% of the time they are the cause of all the drama.
Actually chill people pretty much never bring it up.
For years I avoided TNT for just this reason, always figured it would explode my life
the new testament ?
Trinitrotoluene, the explosive?
could be ...
TNT - Explode
How'd you not make that connection?
I'm not a big demolitions man
Huge red flags...
...are missing from the proposed blast staging site, this is massively unsafe. :(
What about people who say that they like drama
Either chill "tea" enjoyers or agents of chaos.
No middle ground.
I'm always up for some "drama" as long as that means "yapping about things that aren't as serious as someone I care about dying/suffering something grievous". 🤷
Why doeth thou ask?
AKA younger siblings, if you're into the whole brevity thing
I think they just mean they like witnessing it.
"I hate playing games."
Buckle up for the relationship equivalent of Gary Grigsby's War in the East 2.
"I'm not racist, but <insert extremely racist take here>."
"I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally."
If you truly weren't racist, you would hate everyone equitably.
/s (this isn't really sarcastic but its meant as a joke and I'm too tired to figure out how to express that)
I'm not a joker, but I'd do it like: "/jk"
But what if I do hate everyone?
Then you're a misanthrope!
You turn into a Miss every full moon.
This may provide some more insight into how I end the night at every social event that I attend post covid.
You are not alone. Unfortunately none of us give a shit enough to say hey what’s up fellow non shit giver? How the heck is your day going?
Scrolled to find this. Originally I was going to comment with “I’m not racist or anything”. Close enough for jazz.
We used to joke like this because it was such a dead giveaway that someone was racist. We started saying things like “I’m not racist but the weather is fantastic today!” Or “I’m not sexist, but do you think it’s gonna rain?”
Q: How does every racist joke begin? A: With a look over each shoulder?🥸
Corporate jargon outside the office. Hell, even in the office when it’s over the top.
Ping me when you circle back to this, we might surface more examples granted we’ve still got bandwidth for it.
I hate pinging. My ping is 345,600,000ms.
4 days?
lmao yes my whole job is sending fuckin emails and I haven't seen inbox zero during the entirety of the 20s.
yeah i had a couple people in my life would who talk to you like this and I just stopped interacting with them. It was so obnoxious.
The worst part is they would 'correct' my language to corpo speak. I'd say "oh having a rough couple of weeks you know' and they'd go 'you can't say that, you have to say you are underperforming but plan to compensate in the future'
it was so fucking surreal.
Do you even grindset, bro
Sigma, at least.
are those people even people?
yes. they are the type of people who work 80 hours a week and treat their job as their identity/religion/family. and their entire life's purpose is their career. and think anyone who doesn't work 80 hours a week and has a life outside of their job is 'weird' or 'lazy'.
“Maybe you feel the need to compensate, but that doesn’t mean everyone does.”
For real though, that’s bizarre. It’s okay to not perform at 100% all the time, that’s how you fast track to burn-out. Thank goodness my workplace isn’t of the “grind employees until they’re dust” mentality. Last time I showed signs of work stress, my boss actually sat with me to plan out some mental health days for the coming months.
We need to synergize on Lemmy more, and increase our networking.
Let's touch base to synchronize at a quick standup lunch, yeah? 👍
Put that issue in the parking lot...
That's why you need the corporate translator
I don't care about politics
On a related note: "I don't see why you'd stop being friends with someone over politics"
Especially these days with what basic human rights have been made political, politics is probably pretty high up there on my list of reasons I'd see in why not to associate with someone.
Politics are an extension of ethics so you kinda have every reason not to associate with someone whose moral compass is all fucked up (and so are their political takes).
Depends on the country and the party. I won't stop being friends with someone who disagrees with me about the best way to assure solvency of pensions (even if they support a private scheme), or how to best support transitions to clean energy, whether we should forbid the installation of gas heating or wait for the cost advantage of heatpumps to speak for itself.
In some countries however the discourse is whether some people should be executed on the street or not if they displeased a thug with a gun, or if their choice of sexual partner is not of the liking of the government.
Yeah in less interesting of times I would much more understand where they're coming from. That being said in this specific context it was the quoted person (person A) not understanding why a friend of a friend (B) would no longer speak to them after learning A voted for Trump multiple times.
The subtext I was picking up from the conversation was that B (I assume) is one of many groups being specifically targeted by Trump so they refused to be in the presence of or communicate with someone who's by proxy targeting them. A on the other hand just seems to see it all as politics and doesn't understand what the big deal is about.
In another country or in another time I could understand but given the time and place, their confusion came across to me as showing how oblivious they were to the policies they voted for, who was going to be affected by them, and how negatively they were going to be affected by them.
I totally would be good with someone not being friends with me due to my politics. It would be a great passive filter.
I genuinely didn’t back then. I saw it as a waste of time. I only saw it as bitching on twitter, you could argue with rational arguments all you want, but you’d never change anyones mind. Odds are you are reasoning with a bot or a troll. I made the incorrect assumption that if a president ever strayed too far, he'd be stopped.
Politics is an endless fire that fuels itself and burns forever, if I can stay away from it I will, but in the times of today, that’s not really an option anymore.
Well, everything is political, so I bet you cared about politics that you didn't call politics. Politics is just social decision making. I bet you liked political movies.
"I want my country back..."
Yeah, so did all those places we invaded.
I want my country to become what I thought it was when I was a kid, not how it ACTUALLY was.
I would sympathize with this one, honestly.
I think we all (in the US at least) grew up with a very skewed and generalized / propagandized version of its history, one that's specifically designed so we identify proudly with it. (I'd imagine most countries are similar on that last bit but idk)
The more time goes on, the more atrocities come to light, the more insanely layered and nuanced and complicated it all is, it's quite an overload with everything else we have to deal with as adults. (Especially when most of it is crap we can't even do anything about.)
The constant realizations that approach closer to the truth are often painful. Nobody likes realizing they were lied to so much in their formative years.
Yeah, I too would like if my country was run by virtuous people trying their best, and if unknown badass action heroes stopped the bad guys, instead of living in an evil empire run by those bad guys, and if hard work actually meant something.
Time to rewatch The West Wing again.
Hahaha I've heard it described as "competence porn."
I've heard similarly positive things about "Madam Secretary."
As have i.
Never seen that, I'll check it out!
I can't. Not yet. It's like watching videos of yourself with that wonderful girlfriend, before you screwed everything up
Ouch, that hurts.
" I heard you want your county back. no shit me too"
Normally said by people who very literally think that it's their country (white, conservative, and typically male).
"I'm not political" almost always really means "I think Hitler did nothing wrong"
One time I said "oh I don't get involved in politics" by which I meant, "I don't organize with any particular party" (which was the context). But I think about that all the time and hope they did not think what I always think when people say they are apolitical.
I'm very political, I just generally prefer non-partisan work.
I asked chat gpt...
"I want to eat the people from the surface."
good reference
Is this a reference to Morlocks?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.H.U.D
Full disclosure, I only know it from Rick and Morty
Never heard of it! I do enjoy a B-movie now and again. I'll see if my library can request this.
For me it was Simpsons and Clerks 2.
"And that's when the CHUDs came in".
Self-identified centrists are always well to the right of the actual center
Centrism is an ill-defined concept that loses meaning outside the US
What a Americanocentric thing to say. What do you call centralism outside the US? I'm the middle?
TBF nobody does the 2 party system quite as 2 party as the Americans. At first I was inclined to agree with you and disagree with OP, but the more I think about Canadian politics the less enlightened centrism I see... Just conservative doofuses who view the world through tik tok.
Centrism as it exists in its colloquial form often ends up referring to a bridge between Republican and Democrat ideas—both American parties. As the other comment said, no one two-party-systems quite like the US.
And then it turns out that they know less about the conflict than my senile grandmother.
Insofar as any country does, sure. You're right that it seems to be only ever said in reference to Israel by absolute garbage people, though.
Yeah. Same energy as 'why are you making me hit you?'
"Cry more 🤣🤣🤣".
My man, you might have just hurt my feelings for no good reason, why are you so happy about it?! I've only seen it in YT comments, TBF, so they might all just be bots. Hopefully.
lol cry more nerd
caring a lot about low birth rates and demographic shift (into an aging population). i have litereally never met a single person who's reason for worring about these wasn't just racism. when pressed enough their arguements almost always deteriorate into some variant of the nazi "great replacement" psueudoscience
Low birth rates do have a great impact in the pension schemes of countries...
That problem can be mitigated with immigration. Immigrants pay taxes and are entitled to the use of fewer social services.
People that are opposed to this might be concerned about "great replacement".
Of course, a country's current occupants have the right to have a family of their own (though not everyone should exercise that right) and their children should be able to grow up healthy and happy. The country should not descend into the wealthy 1% that can afford children and a rotating underclass of immigrants. That's basically Saudi Arabia.
Exactly, that's why instead of telling them to go fuck themselves, I tell them to go fuck one another.
I've always thought it was just rich people making sure they had laborers.
The first and easiest is always the phofaux-militaristic active wear. Its like adidas trainers on a guy squatting. When you know you know. If its an aiport, their bag has just an abusurd number of places to velcro things and a place to put a fake unit patch. Also, chuds mostly travel in packs, so the probability of them actually being a chud increases at a rate of 1- e-1/N chuds per unit area.
See also lifted yota's tacomas with a bunch tac gear, and a big-ol' floor jack the think they need to carry around., none of which has ever been used, see also the F-350, and of course, the all-to-obvious "one dude in a cyber truck".
Hey! I've been wearing camo and pseudo-tactical shit on the daily since long before it became fashionable. It used to be back in the good old days that military surplus gear was the cheap way for broke motherfuckers to get vaguely performant and moreover highly durable outdoor wear, plus it's always full of pockets. Bonus points if you were also some kind of airsoft/paintball nerd.
So many pockets.
I miss my combat pants. They were comfy by the time I had to give them back, and they had so many pockets.
You remember when the US switched to digital camouflage in the 2000s, then realized it was a terrible idea and switched back?
Any idea why you didn't see cheap digital camouflage jackets around? Did they just not make to milsurp stores?
Any idea why you didn't see cheap digital camouflage jackets around?
It's working
In no particular order:
- ACU/UCP is pretty irredeemably ugly for casual wear. Maybe it will find a niche following among cyberpunks in 20 years or something, who knows.
- It may still have a connotation to official US Army uniforms that people looking for casual wear don't want to make. The classic "woodland" camo is far enough removed from this.
It is in basically every surplus store, and it is cheap...because hardly anyone wants it.
I have three sets of digital camo BDUs. Two sets of MARPAT, and one of some generic grey "urban" coloration. I didn't find them difficult to source at all. Insulated jackets, though, I don't know about.
Insulated jackets, though, I don’t know about
Yeah, that's the one I'd expect to see around, since you know, cheap jackets that go to -40F. I saw quite a few of them in cold parts of China and even Kazakhstan and it made me curious why I didn't remember any in America.
Oh, they're about. I just haven't seen any with modern-ish MARPAT patterns on them, for instance. If you just want an OD green one or something you can usually turn one up. If not truly surplus, one of the milspec manufacturers like Truspec will sell you one for a hundred bucks.
There's an excellent podcast about fashion history and design called Articles of Interest by Avery Trufelman, and she did a season about the deep connections between outdoor wear and military clothing, with a lot of talk about surplus. I recommend it highly!
That was indeed fascinating. Thanks for sharing it!
You betcha!
I saw a guy with a military style duffle bag the other day, but it had the words "emotional baggage" on the side of it, and honestly, that passes the vibe check.
pho-militaristic
Yeah, the tactical soup culture is really out of hand these days.
(...it's "faux," by the way.)
fixed but i'd rather pho
I take it pho-militaristic is Vietnam-era stuff.
i actually saw a guy with someone else in their cybertruck the other day, first time for everything i guess
Maybe they were being trafficked. Did you call it in?
Guys who refer to women as "females"
ninja edit - I see I'm late to this party
Grown men getting extremely worked up about cartoons or woman in videogames.
Bit of an older one, had it come up recently and it reminded me of when I was younger: “bleeding hearts/bleeding heart liberals”. lol okay, sandbrain.
My heart doesn't BLEED, that's only for pussy bitches. Real men's hearts are DRY.
Tangent: this is like "is water wet?". Do our veins bleed? There's definitely blood in them.
It's not particularly wet, which is why fire fighters add a wetting agent to make wet water to extinguish fires more effectively.
Anyone who uses 'woke' unironically
"There are things I like about both sides."
supporting 'the troops' in pretty much any context
"How come Liberals..."
My immediate thought is "Here we go..."
"females"
"Tucker Carlson has some good ideas"
the fuck you just say?
"Have a blessed day"
Haha boomer conservatives love this one
They also like "...well, I'll be dead by then so.." shurgs
“Hopefully sooner”
Ngl I have a coworker who says this whenever he leaves his shift and he's such a good dude I believe whole heartedly that he wants me to have a good day.
Faur enough. Some outliers are expected
This is a religious thing in general, in my experience. Mostly older people, but not guaranteed, and not necessarily conservatives, either. Just people very deep into religion.
It is a fun one to drop ironically, though.
I actually like that one. It's friendly and positive.
It's not really a phrase but anytime someone half quotes something and responds like the 2nd half of the quote doesn't exist.
Any time anyone starts throwing insults and slurs at me like a Frisbee in lieu of an actual counterarguement
Hey bozo, it's spelled "counterargument" you absolute fleshbag! 🥏
It's probably because your dumb!1!
No and see that's the funny thing. I've had people try to call me stupid or the r slur, but like, they couldn't even be bothered to spell "you are" you're correctly. That always makes me laugh, because oh the irony!
my favorite is they append the insult as conclusion. they make an argument and claim 'and if you can't understand this you're a dipshit'. and this is their 'flawless logic' that shows that you are a dipshit, but definition of the argument they have made...
I have seen the word chud used but the context never made it clear what it means.
It literally stands for Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller but is used colloquially for any people considered sub-human or monstrous because of their negative/predatory attitudes toward other people.
I mean I know the name from the movied it was more its modern usage. Honestly your def difers enough from another persons that now im less sure.
I view it as the right wing equivalent of a soyjak. A derogatory name (and drawing) for someone who's terminally online and politically obsessed.
Now see I did not know it was right wing and now I apparently know what a soyjak is even though its the first time I have seen this. Kinda funny that anyone moving in social media circles has a name for folks who are online all the time and politically obsessed and are not themselves. Its feels like one of those things in a cartoon where the clearly nerdy character is yelling nerd at a nerdier character.
You might recognise a soyjak if you see one, even if you wouldn't know the name of them. It was based off another meme (wojaks) and took off alongside the COVID-era conspiracy theories. It's actually interesting that you can notice how the early ones just had a couple of nerdy traits, like a Nintendo Switch, some glasses, and some facial hair, but as it became less of a meme and more of a propaganda technique, they had to become uglier and uglier to clarify that they represented the "wrong opinion"
I read that as politically obese, and I think it still fits.
I'd like a definition too, I'm an old dude and don't get the new fancy words.
How old? Because C.H.U.D. came out forty years ago.
A chud is a vicious sub-human monster.
A movie so bad I've never seen the end.
well I mean some you can sus out from context and I sorta used that word intentionally because from context I used it like I did above to figure something out but I also have seen it used to mean something is suspect. chud though I have generally just seen it thrown out as some degrogatory noun which is really hard to figure out in context .
Calling them fancy is a stretch.
Get out of my lawn!!
The people who respond to everything with "no one owes you anything" and "pull yourself up by the bootstraps".
We all know no one owes us anything, going out of your way to respond like this, actually shows malice.
EDIT: Thank
Any time someone gets a big old smirk on their face while they say, "Oh, I've got some controversial opinions," that usually means they're just a degenerate edgelord. Like, making a big show about how spicy your hot takes are is just the attention-grabbing behavior of someone who lives off of criticism because they are incapable of getting along with others.
I mean, I have some controversial opinions. For example: let's feed Peter Thiel to a shark, but a small shark, so that it takes a while. And sometimes you're not in an environment where you can say that. But if that's the case, then you just don't bring it up. If you are in a place where you can say that, then have the confidence to just say it.
But some people need to first make the conversation about them, and about how damn controversial they're about to be, before they've even said something in the first place. They're just enjoying the attention. Like they're edging to how heterodox they're about to be. And they're probably about to tell you that we were better off before women had college degrees.
Controversial becomes a goal post for some people. Aiming to have ___ opinions with any adjective other than ones relating to how that opinion is formed (well thought-out, logical, hasty (bad for a different reason)) makes for some of the most vulnerable people among humanity.
I said it very recently, and I'll say it again. People obsess way too fucking much over labels. Labels are a conversational tool meant to briefly describe something. The more you use them to determine how you should act, the more bogus you are. There are a couple exceptions, but aside from children in the developmental stages where labels play a massive role (I'm not a psychologist, someone correct me here if I'm off base), these are always™ because how you are perceived is fundamental to said label, e.g. hero, leader, representative. Please note that I'm not saying labels are never useful.
I'm open to debate on this.
"Freedom of speech"
Especially when they're using it as a defense to use racial slurs in a Wal-Mart on a Saturday afternoon.
"Say what you will. But only Donald Tr*mp has a plan to make America better!"
Why doesn't he implement it in that case? He's had almost five years so far.
"He's a business man. He knows business."
"Silent Majority"
It's always their go-to when pressed on when they're called out.
They can't grasp the idea that their beliefs are really that unpopular so they cling to an idea of a "silent majority" that agrees with them but is either too censored or too bullied to speak up for what they think is the truth.
Sorry buddy, there is no such thing as a "silent majority" quietly agreeing with you but afraid to speak up, you and your illiterate buddies are just assholes and your opinions are shit.
"my LED headlights are wonderful"
"There are not a lot of people like us out there nowadays."
This is a common MAGA comfort/greeting line they use when they meet new people.
"I hate women and blame them for all of my issues in life"
Someone literally dropped the following during a conversation the other day. They were also a PoC of my race so it was an extra big red flag: "You know some people really are wolves because most are sheep."
Yikes.
I have a friend that loves to start debates about political, religious or philosophical topics, make broad statements, then defend with "I can't be more specific because I don't know 100% of the details"
During COVID he refused to get a vaccine because "even if I was vaccinated COVID would still exist, so what benefit is there."
For me it's the term "that's what's wrong with society" and variations of it. There are a LOT of things wrong with society, and different countries, cities and regions have totally different problems. If you boil all these problems down to one thing, it's probably because you're obsessed with that one thing, not because it's actually caused all these other problems.
"Wow, don't take things so seriously!"
Anyone who says
For me it’s saying, “we can’t joke about anything anymore”.
Sirens go off immediately 🚨
Does "chud" mean something different than it used to?
A unattractive person whose defining characteristic of their personality is their egotism. Most often used to describe typically one-dimensional preps, chauches, or the like. A particularly mean insult; it should not be taken nor thrown around lightly.
This was posted to urban dictionary 21 years ago, so depends how far back I guess?
I've only ever heard it used as an insult, like chump.
Cannibalistic Humanoid Underdwelling Demon
See movie : C.H.U.D. or Donnie Darko
This one from 2003 (still copied from UD) is what I'm more familiar with, still an insult, but one more about appearance and demeanor than behavior, and a very different aesthetic than above. Synonymous with "troglodyte".
I thought it was Cannibalistic Underground Humanoid Dweller?
me too but my interlocutor was using UD and it seemed prudent to do the same
"I was cancelled" -iskall
Like someone else said, the stuff made to make someone look militaristic, or more like a strong/scary dude, at least in their eyes.
Gun rights themed stickers on their phone, thin blue line patches or hats, way too much camo, having a massive, overly expensive truck with blacked out windows, and honestly at least in my community, just having anything with an American flag prominently visible on it tends to mean you're a person that's... not that nice to be around. Also sometimes common with people that've got way too much Christianity themed items, though that's more of a higher likelihood than a strong certainty.
To give you some examples of what people with any of that have said/displayed to me:
- "I want to be a prison guard so I can boss around the inmates and make them clean the floors while I watch. I might get to taze them too!"
- "I wish those people (homeless woman and her children) outside would stop begging and get a job, I don't like being asked for money..."
- Deliberately misgendering my coworkers (after being directly verbally corrected by them)
- Preaching so much to me and my coworkers (about specifically hyper-conservative christian values. She goes to a church where women aren't allowed to be pastors or preach at all) that one of my Christian coworkers who had a cross necklace had to hide it because the woman got so excited from seeing it on him that her nonstop preaching made him have a panic attack
- A cop telling me I'm doing my job wrong, after I showed him the state law saying I was allowed to do that (he proceeded to do nothing about what he was called there for, and leave after chatting with the security guard for 10 minutes, on the clock)
- Sexually assaulted one of my coworkers
I've never had any experiences even remotely close to that from people who just... didn't feel the need to compensate for their masculinity with guns and big trucks, or justify their actions with Jesus and "patriotism." Sure there's always some general rudeness or people just being ignorant or inconsiderate, but nothing on that scale.
Whenever someone I talk to is surprised by the behavior of cops, I always remind them to think back to highschool and remember the kids that claimed "I'm gonna be a cop", and how they thought of those kids. That's why ACAB, it's a profession that attracts the wrong folk, and even when it does pull in decent people they either get pushed out or become one of them to get by.
"Actually, we're a constitutional republic..." & "Our thoughts and prayers..." are both candidates, I could come up with way more.
Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
Anyone who uses the word "elevate" seriously in a conversation not about elevators or construction.
I feel elevated by your comment.
But I like Rush's "Vital Signs".
"Everybody got to elevate from the norm."
I hear it more from people I'd consider pretentious, usually involving food or decorating.
Cannibalistic Human Underground Dweller?
Good lord, this thread.
Does anybody else like to get angry over petty bs?
This question qualifies
"It's ma'am!"
Honestly I find it worse if I say sir or ma'am or such and someone gets upset. "My mother was ma'am don't call me that!"
"USian" or "United Statesian"
I don't agree with this
Right. It's pronounced 'Merika! Fuck yeah! Hold my beer and watch this!'
If a Canadian says it, 100%, if a Latino says it, they're just not happy being associated with the guys who keep their government somewhere to the right of mussolini.
How their country is called?
English speakers say "American"
And does this "america" span entire continent such as Australia or do they simply have delusions of grandeur?
This dude's giving "chud" at best. I can think of worse names.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/64810156
Netanyahu's son 'highly vulnerable target' while living in Miami as he dodges IDF reserve
"License and registration please."
"person of color".
Someone who uses the word "chud?"
* not that I've ever heard it before
EDIT: not my usual type of comment, but I'm glad it got a reaction. :D
Hehe i downvoted you too ;)
Cheers! 🥂
Using CHUD liberaly for anything you don't like.
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