Starcraft 2 is super fun as a randomizer in the RTS format, but I do want to see more done with that IP. The problem is, like you, I will never give Blizzard a single penny ever again.

"I like FF7 but I wish instead of a JRPG, it was a generic ARPG" said an SE exec at some point, apparently.

did you give bravely default a shot?

Similarly, what about wishing for another linear and stoey-focused 3D Zelda?

I want a top down Mana game again. I liked the Trials remake and Visions, but I miss the original style.

If you want something echoing back to the og, I found the 4 heros of light very fun. I replay it once every few years or so. Also, it is the scaffolding that bravely default was built with

When I played Trails in the Sky, I felt a lot of my FF7 nostalgia coming back. It got a remake which has been very faithful to the original; while you start combat with some dodges/swings in the overworld, most fights inevitably come back to turn-based.

That's what I was here to post.

I wish something would happen with Lost Odyssey, i loved that game.

They kind of tried that, but unfortunately it wasn't very good.

I would enjoy the hell out of a Mass Effect themed turn based strategy.

I feel exactly the opposite.

There are plenty of turn-based RPGs and JRPGs that I fell asleep playing that I probably wouldn't have if I didn't have to mostly stare at a static screen and menus most of the game. And dont even get me started on random battles.

Turn-based RPGs have repetitive combat loops to me. Same intro, same enemy lineup, same strategy, same music, same victory jingle. Over and over and over. It least in an action oriented game, I can choose where my character is, how I engage with combat, what terrain features I use, etc.

This is why I like Strategic Turn Based games like Fire Emblem and XCOM way more than standard turn based games.

Turn base probably won't save the shallowness of Witcher 3 combat, it need an overhaul for more in depth system. Witcher is introduced in the first one as a methodological monster hunter where he learn, prepare, and hunt the monster, while also deal with politics(which is probably the strongest part of the series). In Witcher 3 Geralt is a ballerina dancing with his blade.

The best witcher combat is in Monster Hunter World.

I'm the exact opposite, in a different, but similar way that the other commenter is.

I will fall asleep trying to play almost any turn-based/tactical RPG you give me. It's just too slow for me, and I can't focus on stats or stacking effects that much. That's why I like real-time action games. I've been playing the hell out of Fallout 4 lately and that is probably the fastest-paced game out of the entire series. There's snappy gunplay in first- and third-person with a dedicated bash/grenade button, and you can pop out from behind cover when you aim. Also the whole customizing and modification system with the workshop and settlements.

I'd take it a step further, ditch the combat gameplay entirely. Make Witcher 3 in the style of Disco Elysium. Put the emphasis on storytelling and actual RPG stats. Combat will be less common but can be solved through play by play decision trees making each encounter more memorable.

I feel similar about the games, but opposite to the solution.

I think the problem is those games (Witcher 3, Skyrim, etc) build complex RPG stats systems and storylines and forget to actually make good combat.

You'd rather they fix this by going all in on the RPG and leaving the combat behind, but for me, I'd rather they'd forsake RPG elements and build an actual competent and fun combat system.

This is why I'd rather play any Zelda over any western action adventure RPG bc Nintendo actually makes a good game first, not a story

The point is to learn 3+ alien languages word by word

The point is to spend hours travelling across the universe looking for an Earth-like planet, with green grass, blue skies and relatively safe temperatures, instead of just going outside in real life.

Sometimes I feel similarly about Elite: Dangerous. Disclaimer: I haven't played NMS because E:D gets all my spacetime tokens and I'm fine with that. "Community goals" (high payout limited time events) get me to play because it gives me purpose for a week. For the most part though, I like coming to it for an hour or two when I want to take a break from story-laden games. Hunt pirates for an hour, fly out of inhabited space and explore for an hour (well, an hour out, an hour there per session, an hour back next time), or just chill with music and asteroid mining.

So I do wish there was a plot at times, but I do appreciate it for mixing up the routine with simple cruising

I just wish they'd dedicate one or two of their major updates to integrating all the random features they added into a cohesive whole. Right now there are dozens of systems that are almost all pointless shallow grinds as well as completely isolated from every other system. It'd give the game some real depth if these mechanics interacted with each other in any way.

That, and fix their damn inventory system. It's been a decade and multiple overhauls and basic crafting and inventory management is still unpleasant and tedious.

Yeah, the combat is the least interesting part of the Control universe IMO. It was a shame they went the bullet sponge route with Firebreak. I felt they could have gone the friend-slop route and made a Repo-like set in the oldest house. The weirdness is the fun part, and I think the shooter aspect feels obligatory. AW2 was a better balance I thought. Felt like the game was 1/3 interesting cutscenes and story development, 1/3 exploration, 1/3 combat.

I love Control and the Remedyverse, but I'm with you. Turning up the setting to replenish your energy faster helps it flow better imo, especially on additional playthroughs.

It's not exactly what you're asking for but SCP 5K is a hardcore tactical shooter set in a very well realized version of the SCP lore. Genuinely one of the scariest games I've ever played. 173 will have you shitting bricks.

Did you not adjust the settings of the game to make it cater to what you want?

Wanting anything to be more Bethesda is wild to me.

Out of curiosity: What would a more Bethesda-Like CP77 look like to you?

Sunless Sea mentioned! Most of its value is in setting, writing and atmosphere, which are all really well executed. The gameplay was fun enough, but combat is tedious and I tried to avoid it, like you'd do in a horror game. I see it more as a visual novel with some exploration and resource management. Focus on the story, the characters, the locations. Fetch a macguffin only because it makes the story progress or because it makes you go beyond the explored world, not because you're so interested in the act of fetching.

Fortunately Isaac influenced a lot of similar action roguelikes, my recommendation would be Enter the Gungeon, which in a line I'd describe as "Isaac with guns"

Isn't Binding of Isaac by the guy(s) that did Castle Crashers, which got their start on Newgrounds?

I haven't played Isaac, but I've played enough Castle Crashers to know that it's pretty gorey/scatty with all the weird poop "jokes" and whatnot.

I feel the same way about CC as you do about Isaac. It's fun to play, but some of the themes either haven't aged well or were already for a particular audience.

Elden Ring was more RPG-like by avoiding respawning enemies? What RPG are you talking about? Most RPGs respawn enemies right in front of your face, while you are still in their spawn area.

Sunless Sea. Neat setting and writing. I don’t like the gameplay — simple combat, not very interesting choices, hunt-the-item stuff.

Oh I forgot about Sunless Sea. I played the hell out of Fallen London, but the switch to real-time gameplay was stressful enough that not even the worldbuilding and writing could make up for it.

But I want a Kenshi like game set in Morrowind.

Honestly, I'd like a Kenshi-like game set in damn near any setting.

Like, the Kenshi setting is interesting, but in terms of gameplay...it's essentially unique from a gameplay standpoint. I'm still a bit amazed that nobody has made other games in the genre.

There is a sequel that is being worked on and will come out someday...

I would probably damn near never leave the house if that game were to exist.

I hadn't heard of this game somehow, thanks!

There were actually multiple action-adventure beat-em-up games in the MK series. Namely ‘Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero’, ‘Mortal Kombat: Special Forces’, and ‘Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks’. The last one of these is for PS2/Xbox. All three received pretty poor reviews.

Plus there was ‘Mortal Kombat: Onslaught’ for phones in 2023, but it seems to have required multiplayer, and has already been shutdown.

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Yeah, same here honestly

Yeah, there have been a bunch of extraction shooter style games that I would play the shit out of if they just weren't extraction shooters.

Jesus fucking Christ, why did Marathon have to suffer that fate?

A civ 40k would be awesome!

I’d be so all over a proper turn based Warhammer game.

Shadow of the horned rat and dark omen both do the same but just a little closer to the tabletop game afaik (but they’re a pain to get properly running).

Then there’s SOVL which gives a proper turn based mechanic that’s pretty close to Warhammer fantasy of old in the style of classic white dwarf battle reports.

There’s also a game in cooperation with the people behind 9th age but also, didn’t get it working yet.

Meager pickings :/

For the record you can auto complete the battles and just play them as turned based strategy games with no tactical component. That may or may not be what you're looking for, but just figured I'd let you know.

Though the genre kinda makes the story!

At least it has god mode. I've basically accepted I play most games on the lowest difficulty possible.

I played through Horizon: Zero Dawn and Forbidden West, and with how hard every NPC was flirting with Aloy, I wondered “Why isn’t this a post-apocalyptic dating sim?”

I mean, Aloy is super cool, badass and hot as fuck, if you're single, the only reason not to flirt with her would be fear.
I thought that with how things ended in HFW, the next game ought to be an RTS.

I loved being a healer with claws. It was such a weird combo.

The AEGIS system in the original really sucked though. It's the one thing Legends improved.

2018, Win7, DX9, ... What kind of potato do you have?

Way more unity devs need to understand how absurdly bad the performance of their games are. there are games from 10, 15 years ago that both look way better and perform way better. Hell, I think Descent looks better than Overload because at least it has textures.

Everytime I read about some insane awesome event in Eve I think, "I should totally play that." Then I get bummed for a moment that I won't be able to. Then I remember what you said, it's a second job, and I smile and get on with my life.

Maybe I'd just like to be an Eve battlefield reporter.

X4 doesn't have quite as good lore imo, but for me it really scratches my eve itch without having to go back to that mmo. I think it's the interconnected economy of the sandbox.

Well most new "soulslike" games, specially by smaller or indie studios, are just action games in disguise anyway.

Some games have started to crop up that straddle the line between Souls and CAG, The Nioh series and First Berserker: Khazan come to mind. I've also heard good things about AI Limit, it looks pretty fast and it doesn't have stamina.

Also not a Soulslike but I assume you've played Ninja Gaiden?

I really love the idea of asymmetrical games like DBD but the community always ruins it. Evolve was absutely incredible in the first few weeks before players optimized all the tension out (and before the backlash over what is now laughably tame monetization).

You might like Strife

Enshrouded is kind of close. The third-person combat and limited NPCs detract from the comparison, but the exploration and setpieces match or exceed anything Bethesda has ever put out and the survival gameplay is basically Valheim but with 10x the content.

just wish I could play and experience it all at my pace - family life currently precludes me from being able to invest sufficient time to play an MMO.

Wayfinder does this pretty well. There's some rough edges from where they pivoted in the design, but I got it on sale for less than a single month of WoW, and have been playing through it at my own pace ever since.

FO4 is not an immersive sim.

"The best part of Fallout is it basically never runs out of content"

That's the worst part. All of those randomly generated filler quests that send you back to a location you've cleared twice before to kill the same named raider npc are at the very core of what is wrong with Fallout 4.

I wish Fallout would return to primarily being a roleplaying game, with actual dialog choices, including the ability to say "No, I don't give a shit about Shaun. In fact, I'm glad he was kidnapped, so that I don't have to be bogged down by a backstory that I never agreed to."

Oh, and it would be nice if the main character wasn't automatically the leader of every faction in the game.

could have been a cool turn based JPRG

Yall know that ‘Fallout’ was originally turn-based? No need for anything Japanese in there, the RPG system was pretty good.

The nineties had some cool turn-based tactics games, like the ‘Jagged Alliance’ series, ‘X-Com’, ‘Incubation’. Even realtime tactics were very nice in the isometric view, e.g. in ‘Commandos’. Now that everything needs to be in either first-person or third-person from behind, such games rarely pop up.

Never really given FO4 a chance, the FPS feel just didn't land right for me. I'm curious though, in what ways does it basically never run out of content? I love being able to play a game for a long time.

I always wished for a Street Fighter side scrolling beat em up.

Oh, so, so many differences. This is my wheelhouse. I doubt you'd see too much in common between Invincible VS and Street Fighter 6.

The BlazBlue and Guilty Gear franchises have such gorgeous art and fun characters. I also love how the characters play completely differently from each other. The lore seems as messed up as usual for fighting games, but I’m ok with that. Too bad they are fighting games and I can’t play them even remotely well.

But what other genre would even work with a really diverse set of characters and a wacky background story? Action RPG? Cozy farming simulation with dating mechanics and also fighting? Pokemon-like?

Probably same thing with Starcraft, but I've never tried it.

Oof. Yes. I recall Starcraft II's tutorial requiring what felt like South Korean world champion commands-per-minute play to get through maybe the third level of the tutorial.

I was going to suggest giving a Dynasty Warriors game a try but your last line there kinda sinks the boat lmao

Warhammer 40k comes in all flavors! You can try shooters like Boltgun (boomer shooter FPS), Space Marine (TPS with some hack and slash) and Space Hulk: Deathwing (FPS), among others.

For tactical stuff, there's Battlefleet Gothic: Armada (RTT with space ships) Mechanicus (turn-based tactics) and Dawn of War (the last one was meh).

Fun stuff like Shootas, Blood and Teef (platformer) and Rogue Trader (RPG) are also out there. And lots of these are getting sequels pretty damn soon!

That's what Diablo 4 essentially is

What I really want is Steel Battalion.

Do you know about Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance 2? I've played and loved that on the original X-Box. It's an ARPG set in Baldurs Gate. Can't say anything aabout part one tho.

Oh and apparently it has a PC version on steam now!