What's a scam that's so normalized that we don't even realize it's a scam anymore?
1mon 21d ago by lemmy.world/u/Basement_Dweller in asklemmy@lemmy.mlDental care being treated as separate from health care.
You can die from teeth issues
Honestly, just health care in general being locked behind insurance to the point where people conflate the two conceots entirely!
Dental insurance in most cases is closer to what health insurance should be: an entirely optional, and generally affordable, policy that can offset major expenses. Not an expense that rivals housing in magnitude and is required for most people just to access the basic care needed by nearly everyone.
Or maybe we do away with the insurance all together and treat medical care as the public service it should be yeah?
Just taking this opportunity to remind Americans that you already pay a far higher portion of the public purse into your healthcare system than any nation with universal care. You get basically nothing for it while we get cradle to grave coverage for every citizen regardless of our socioeconomic status.
Then on top of these taxes you are also paying private insurers for the privilege of then paying your doctors
Yeah.... It's only like that for 1 country
A lot of people don't take these things in to account. Due to health issues I have slowly lost my teeth over the past 15 years. Due to poverty and systemic problems I couldn't get them fixed. Now I'm in my 40s and left with barely enough teeth to chew - no molars, and my face is shifting because it doesn't have the support structure anymore, which puts painful pressure on my remaining teeth all the time. Technically my health benefits say they pay for dentures but it's been nothing but a run around, months and months of waiting for paperwork to be mailed and just utter nonsense while I'm here with a handful of teeth and I'm scared to talk to people or make friends because as soon as people see my teeth the judge me and leave.
This makes perfect sense from the supply side. Very few (younger) people need expensive medical care, so we can pool the risk. Almost everyone needs some, regular dental care, so it's more like a savings account than insurance. I'm not claiming that the insurance systems in any given country aren't exploitative, just that medical and dental insurance should be different.
Or maybe we stop treating everything as a money printing thing and instead as taking care of the population around us? The money is there, we just need to stop bombing girl's schools in Iran or building a golden shrine to Fuhrer Trump.
We shouldn't have fucking health insurance or dental insurance period.
I mean, I agree with the first part fully, but I think what you mean is that we shouldn't have for-profit corporate run insurance.
Any socialised health care is a form of insurance---a way for us to pool the risk of large bad events, so that everyone (or a lot of people) pays a little so that a few people aren't totally destroyed by the catastrophe. The alternative to having insurance is that we let people die when rare but really bad things happen. We absolutely should have insurance, but we should all share the cost equally, or the rich should pay more, rather than a few people massively profiting from running the enterprise.
But, however we run it, we'll need to treat dental differently from medical because of what I said in my first comment
No forget insurance altogether. Socialized health care is absolutely not a form of insurance. That's not what any of those words mean.
You might be thinking of single payer healthcare but that's not what I'm arguing for. It feels like you've got a very high school level understanding of words and are trying to discuss concepts without understanding the distinction and mashing things together. Just because things might have a few overlapping points doesn't make them the same thing. That's not how language works.
A government run system, of which only two exist that I know of, the NHS and IHS (Indian healthcare system for native Americans), are not insurance. They aren't a pooling of risk, they're a taxpayer paid service. It's a complete flip from what insurance is. Just because they have to pool taxpayer money to fund it does not make it insurance.
What?
Government funded and administered health care systems being a form of risk pooling and insurance are not controversial ideas. These are standard definitions.
I'm not sure where you're getting these ideas. Why would taxpayer paid services not be a form of risk pooling? There are hundreds of countries around the world with government run health systems, or government funded and privately run systems, or private-public partnerships in various forms. Pooling taxpayer money to fund health care for those individuals unlucky enough to need it absolutely does make it insurance.
I recommend reading the Wikipedia pages on "universal health care" and "health insurance" if you'd like to start learning about these topics.
I'm an academic statistician who discusses risk and related concepts with experts every day...
And I do data analysis for a hospital chain (spent time today figuring out what percent of people in our hospital system are underinsured in different risk categories such as tobacco cigarette smokers and such). Your point about being a statistician means nothing.
So you can calculate p-values big whoop. You're absolutely not using terms the way the average person does in my day to day in industry and conflating them. I've been all over those Wikipedia pages plenty.
Try again.
Just curious, and I'll admit it's too my discredit that I'm even engaging, but why are you behaving this way?
Privatization of government institutions and programs.
Seriously this. The success of a public service shouldn't be how much revenue is generated or shareholder value is gained. We as a society are the shareholders and deserve infrastructure that works for us. Corporations have pushed the idea that lower taxes is better, but when you have to spend more to a company to get basic necessities, you're not really coming out on top buddy.
Regan really did a number on the US. Broad privatization of public services, with all the wrong incentives in place. Which was then a vicious cycle of people hating their experience with public services -> politicians cut their funding -> service gets worse -> people hate their experience -> repeat until all your taxes have been siphoned to private entities and your govt is in shambles.
Let's be clear Reagan started it but Clinton really kicked it into overdrive. Privatization is unfortunately bipartisan.
Listened to a really good podcast episode on this recently
Nobody wants public school anymore and the private schools are booming. Source: am private school teacher
Yes people want public schools.
Two party politics
Insurance
Insurance is nothing but a legal protection racket. The only difference is when you lapse on your protection money, the insurers don't go and blow your kneecaps out, although United Health has effectively killed people who lapsed on payments before or denied them potentially life-saving drugs.
As a concept or in practice?
Yes
Does that mean you don't buy insurance or are you paying someone to intentionally scam you?
It is strange that you don't have an option to choose a insurance company who are not scammers. I mean, that no one thought of starting an insurance company which promotes self on actually helping their customers.
There are companies outside US who are not scamming people and still are profitable.
Outside of the US here: nearly every insurance company in Belgium (that are coincidently also the banks) are 100% scamming people and literally make their entire business model off of ripping people off as much as possible.
Using any and every excuse to deny people the insurance they paid for when they have legitimate claims is literally how they are "profitable."
We have quite a lot of public stats on the insurance companies in Denmark. You can see how many formal complaints a company have received, I.e. customers who have made a complaint a decision made by the insurance company, how many of these complaints have been in favor of the insurance company or the customer, which types of insurances each company gets most complaints about, etc. So there is a lot of data that allows you to make a informed decision about which insurance company you want to choose.
The real estate market. In many countries, the value of labor and materials necessary to build a house is about 30 to 40 40 to 120 thousand euros. Everything else is speculation.
Edit. Initially I put 30 to 40 thousand euros.
Where the fuck do you live? In switzerland your average new house costs around 300-400k
Value is how much socially necessary labor it actually took to build and maintain that house: materials, construction work, infrastructure, etc. It’s the real human effort crystallized in the building.
Price is what they slap on it in the market, which can be wildly disconnected from its actual value. In housing, price gets inflated by speculation, land monopolies, credit bubbles, location hype, and landlord parasites treating homes as investment vehicles to extract rent.
So you might have a crumbling flat that cost relatively little labor to build 40 years ago, but because it's in a "desirable area" with a housing shortage artificially maintained by capital, its price skyrockets. That is a socially enforced ransom, not the value.
https://open.oregonstate.education/sociologicaltheory/chapter/value-price-and-profit/
How did you arrive at the 30 to 40 thousand euro figure
From a friend of mine who built a house in Southern Italy some years ago.
You can also find numbers on the Internet, see basic construction cost in Bulgaria here: https://arch-pfoertner.com/en/blog/bulgaria-vs-spain-building-costs
I'm assuming labour cost is still pretty low in Southern Italy, because in North/Western Europe you can have a kitchen and a bathroom renovated for that money, but no way build an entire house.
Just a bathroom for $40k in Australia.
I am just talking about the cost to build the actual house plus the profit the contractor slaps on top. The price of your house will not be below 1 million in most places because of the reasons you stated
Not in ZH it’s not
It's not only speculation, it's also because some locations are a lot more wanted by many people to live there: right next to a big park, walkable neighbourhood, city amenities nearby but few city problems, no highway audible when sleeping with open window et cetera et cetera. More people want to live in prime locations than prime location housing is available.
The big scam are the insane prices for run down shoebox-apartments in shitty locations.
Location matters though. It wouldn't make sense for a house to cost as much as it does to make. Though obviously prices have become completely detached from reality.
I moved to Chicago a few years. I go to rent an apartment. It has a "move-in" fee.
I'm like what's that.
Oh it's $500 that you don't get back.
I say. What about the deposit? They say. Oh yeah we don't require that. Isn't that great ,?
I'm like. So move in fee is my deposit but it's just guaranteed I won't get it back.
Them: well it's different. It's a move in fee. We don't require a deposit but if you don't clean out the apartment to this list of specifications, we will charge you per item you miss.
Example. Refrigerator not cleaned :$150 Floors not clean : $200
Etc.
So I was super unhappy about this and complained to anyone who would listen. To which my new Chicago neighbors and friends were like "that's how it's always been here,"
Bro. Y'all getting fucked. Hard. Non refundable deposit where you still have to clean out the old apartment.
Wtf. Should be illegal.
that's why you stiff em the last month's rent
At least in Chicago, many landlords require references from past landlords when you are applying for a new apartment, so flaking on rent or trashing a place before moving out can doom your future endeavors.
Unless you get lucky and find a private owner to rent from that doesn't bother with checking backgrounds.
Then you just have to deal with them taking ages to repair anything and letting themselves into your apartment unannounced to 'check on things'.
In my experience the private landlords are the ones who actually fix shit. Last corp landlord I had lost a civil suit for 20 million in Cambridge mass for not maintaining the property.
It's very hit or miss. Not all landlords are good or bad.
I know and I've been lucky in that regard...I will never rent from a corporate landlord again...I highly recommend avoiding Northland property.
as well as any llc
I've had the opposite experience but I think it's always a gamble with landlords. Especially when moving to a new city and you can't ask around.
Just give your landlord a burner phone number. Don't even clean the jizz stains when you leave.
What the fuck? So it's just a deposit you're garuanteed to not get back? What if you don't "miss" anything when cleaning up? You're not getting your money back anyway so why clean anything when you're moving out?
Yeah there was a whole list of things and the fine for not cleaning the items. So you had to make sure you got it super clean or you would get all the fines.
Of which amounted to something close to $1000.
I spent 2 days cleaning it when I moved out to make sure I didn't get any of the fines.
You can basically get black listed as a renter if you don't clean well.
A "move in" fee is not a deposit. It's more like a goodwill payment, or you could call it a front pocket fee, even if there's nobody else in queue. Obviously whoever is willing to pay the most gets the first choice.
It's shady as fuck and also illegal where I live, but people still pay it instead of risking not getting the apartment. Sadly, nobody cares enough to take these scumbags to court over it. You can choose not to pay it but then you just don't get the apartment, and if so, why'd you want to waste your time and money on a lawyer, when there's nothing to win from doing so.
Florida does both
Passive income. If value is being created and you're being presented some of it without doing any work it necessarily means that someone else isn't receiving the full value of the work they're doing.
subset of capitalism
Absolutely
In most cases I agree with you, but what about a musician who makes passive income off of people streaming their music, or people who buy my fonts?
Cap it at the original 28 years after creation. The current 70 years after the creator's death is ridiculous.
Even 15 years is a lot of money for something you most likely spent under 6 months creating. Of course, we could always have a detailed system and not just one flat time frame.
I think people overestimate how much the average creator can get from their work over time. They need to keep creating to maintain a livable income. Also, 28 years is a good number because it prevents mega corporations from stealing from small creators. Imagine if some novel series becomes a big hit, but Disney or Warner Brothers could just adapt it whenever they pleased without paying the author.
Why should you be paid in perpetuity for work you did once? I'd love it if someone paid me residules for the work I did today making widgets.
But how should a singer who produces an album, or an author who writes a book, or whatever be compensated? Its popularity isn't really known until after it's published, it's not really fair for a damn good writer to get paid the same as someone who produces slop.
Not passive income, they did the work of creating the music or the font
Doesent all passive income require some upfront work outside of investing?
No, that's what makes it passive. Having money isn't a job, investing isn't work it's gambling and extremely rigged.
If you inherit/"born rich" I don't think so...
Or you're squeezing all the value and more out of the asset and users, while increasing externalities
Sounds cool til you realize the assets being squeezed are mostly just other people
No no no. I gave them CULTURE! A wonderful work culture.
And security! Sure, not the security I decided I need for myself, and it's only really present as long as they're profitable to me, but security nonetheless.
After all, I had the idea and stuck my neck out to secure the financing, which is far more important than the actual daily labor that keeps things running.
We're like a family, see.
Even if the assets aren't people, not squeezing value is required to maintain some fun and life as well as long term sustainability. If you squeeze it, you might squeeze it dry. I hate all the adverts everywhere. Can I just go somewhere to save my eyes...
Everything about cars from manufacturing, sales, insurance, repair, registration and taxes. We could just have Public transportation.
The car is a tool to move yourself and your family/friends from place A to place B. But James Bond, Batman, rap videos made a status symbol of it. They created a modern mythology around it.
The transformation of the automobile from a means of transport into a luminous totem of status is a near-perfect case study of what Pierre Bourdieu theorised as the conversion and misrecognition of capital.
Bourdieu argued that capital presents itself in three fundamental guises: economic capital (money, assets), cultural capital (knowledge, taste, credentials), and social capital (networks, group membership). These are not static silos; they are constantly converted into one another to legitimise and reproduce social hierarchies. The car, in its purest state, is merely objectified economic capital, a purchased good with a clear use-value: to move from A to B. But the moment it enters the cultural field, it is inscribed with meaning, and it becomes a vehicle for symbolic capital, which Bourdieu defined as the form the other capitals take when they are perceived and recognised as legitimate.
Recycling being the responsibility of the consumer
And recycling most plastics. End up in a landfill because its cheaper than actually recycling them.
I think it is often simply burned to generate heat/electricity
Ah, no, you see, what you're actually referring to is "energy recycling". See, doesnt that greenwashing sound so much better?
It's how Norway from memory tops the recycling league
"Thermal reuse" or "thermal utilization" is how its actually called.
This. I have opinions on waste management, please indulge a little rant, if you will?
In my city they also now have us pay for the privilege of dumping residual waste. It's worth noting that residual residential waste is stuffed into a silo - the users bring it to a collection point, and open it with an RFID key card. You're sent a bill for each time this is opened.
It's also worth noting that the plastic bin, if it looks like they can't sort it, they will toss it in general waste.
These factors combine into a situation where:
- Tossing things in the recycling bin has it end up in gen waste anyway
- It's cheaper for the end user to dump their residual waste inappropriately, either by stuffing it into recycling despite not going there, or by dumping it in the bushes somewhere
Imo, fixes would include the following:
- At the very least, using the general waste silo should not come with extra costs
- Recyclables and residual waste should be merged into a single waste flow, which is to be recycled in general.
- We should make work of actual plastic recycling at a commercial scale.
Ohhh, this one 100 times. That nonsense about consumers' plastic straws killing all the ocean's turtles while only contributing 0.03% of all plastic pollution to the ocean, whereas commercial fishery nets constitute nearly 46% of the Pacific Garbage Patch was one of the biggest industry psyops of all time, and people fell for it hook, line and sinker (no pun intended).
Capitalism
Impressed ot took this long. Every other comment is just describing capitalism working as designed, fucking over the poor to ensure a working class. Maybe do something about the torment nexus if you dont want to live under it?
college textbooks. have to have the latest edition for class, but almost nothing is different from the two-years-old one.
I once had a professor who gave assignments with the last several editions page numbers because he thought it was bullshit too.
in roughly half of my classes; my professors were the authors of the of the books that they were selling so they made photocopies of them to distribute to the student for free.
it was one of two benefits to attending the largest university in the country (at the time).
For my classes, anything that was graded was not done from the textbook it was either online questions or from a worksheet. Any work given from the textbook was just for our practice and not graded. They'd usually just call out sections of questions based on that day's lesson.
I walked my students through where to find the pdf of the text book in the first class after we covered the syllabus.
This is why I try, if possible, to find them online for free. That's been my first step whenever needed. Last time I needed a book and lab access code, it cost a little over $150USD!
Ending a price in .99 so you think it is a whole dollar less.
But it works! Supposedly. Don't poke holes in the JC penney story.
That's because it's so normalized we don't even realize it's a scam anymore.
I honestly don't understand that, I have always rounded up for money going out and down for money coming in. So if I see something priced at $3.25 my brain thinks $4, and if I earn $3.25 my brain thinks $3 dollars.
Ah but then you'll also see something priced at 3.99 as 4, same as something priced at 3.25
Subscriptions for everything. Especially hardware.
I already hate my always-online, have to use their shit app robot vacuum that gets worse after each update. I can't imagine buying a new, overpriced car these days and having it do all the same shit.
Anything priced: $X.99
Anything priced: tax not included
Insurance.
Insurance- paying for something you might never need but required to be available JUST IN CASE. eyeroll
Then you're denied it regardless.
I learned today, that if insurance companies come to the conclusion that your death was a suicide, then they don't even have to pay out your life insurance to your family. Pretty messed up.
The Dutch East India Company is still alive and well.
Any form of gambling.
Console memberships: having to pay monthly to use the games I already paid for, on the console I already paid for, to access the internet I already pay for.
The stock market
Only if you don’t have insider info.
This is what I came here to say! It generates zero wealth, and only serves to move wealth from one person to another.
Paying for education that "the market" wants us to have so they can have a larger pool of skilled workers, leading to lower salaries
Health insurance
Bottled water.
College / university in many countries.
In the US at least, its become such a parasitic industry, with tuition fees rising exponentially and far exceeding wage rates and job availability, that it accounts for a large portion of most people's personal debt.
With so many applicants for so few jobs, a college degree is the new highschool diploma / "minimum requirement" for nearly every job now. 1 / 4 US adults have student loan debt, with an average of 40k in student loans.. Nothing is putting the brakes on degree inflation, tuition, or the student loan industry.
The US federal government also makes a killing off of student loan interest fees, most of which is going to the MIC and Israel.
They've made the product they're selling you (a degree), both required, and extremely expensive; the ultimate goal of any parasitic industry. Its a dream for state and private colleges, the US government and its military, and a nightmare for people either without a job, or chained to their desks for fear of losing their job and getting further behind on loan payments.
I worked 64 hours a week to pay for my College Tuition.
That is plus 18 hours of classes, and 18 hours of studies a week.
This was for the cheapest college near me at a rate of $4000 a semester.
I love being slaved to the point my grades were low only because of my work. When I saved enough / got scholarships, I was able to stop working, and my grades became a 4.
So in summary, slaving to afford a chance to have a low grade compared to those with wealth who can get to focus all their time to college.
Capitalism
Show me a working alternative that’s actually been implemented in the real and I’ll happily shift.
Until then I’ll happily stick with a well-regulated, Nordic-style market economy.
What you described is literally a working alternative to capitalism. Nobody said it cannot contain any capitalistic elements.
As for a further alternative - how about even more social programs? We all know the countries could easily afford it, so that's an easy step forward.
Zapatista territories and Rojava (until recently dissolved by force), and a bunch of smaller examples worldwide (including many tribes that live more traditionally/non-capitalist).
They are definitely proof that alternatives exist. Whether they can scale to governing a state of disperate cultures and peoples is a different question.
But you did answer with some real alternatives, which I’ll look into more. Thank you.
Working harder instead of prioritizing.
Some places are worse for this than others. London, for example, chews up 20-somethings in shitty accommodation, underpaid jobs and plenty of places to spend the few pennies you’ve got left. Eventually, 95% leave the city to actually build a life after they’ve realised that London will never deliver a suitable lifestyle for them.
Religion
Ah cool, this is the first answer that isnt actually just capitalism.
bro, what do you think tithing is?
Printer cartridges
Are people still out there buying new ink cartridges every time they need to print something? I was sick of that s*** in 2019 and returned my printer to Costco and I'm never buying another printer again.
I just bought a laser printer. Toner never goes bad and it prints faster and better than ink
You just bought it? Well I've got news for you. It's going to start nagging you about ink cartridges in a couple months. Yes even laser printers do this. I thought just like you when I bought a laser printer that I had escaped the ink cartridge nightmare. Nope.
“Your laser printer, which doesn’t use ink, will nag you about buying ink” is a wild sentence.
You must use Windows and bought an HP laser jet, cause I don’t have that problem. Linux + that Brother laser printer everyone has = tech that isn’t garbage.
Just a polite reminder that if you only need to print a few papers, it's probably cheaper/easier/free to use the printer at local library! Mine does it for like 15 cents a paper, or for free if you have your own paper! Much less hassle than buying a good printer, sorting the ink situation and then fighting with that machine..
What should just be a little plastic box containing ink has a tiny computer inside to prove to the printer it's not counterfeit. All so that the manufacture can have their give-the-razor-for-free-sell-the-blades business model, enforced by the anti-circumvention part of copyright law.
Private Equity
Credit Score
Derivitives
Interest on Loans
Money
Loan interests and money I disagree with. Unless we get to a point where everything is in abundance and commerce isn't needed anymore I feel like a common item we can agree the value of for goods and services is a pretty neat idea.
Similarly I don't think interest is inherently evil. If i lend you money to buy something large that will take years to pay off, I wouldn't want to lose a bunch of money with inflation. But predatory rates that bet on you defaulting can burn in hell. It's disgusting that the whole fintech industry exists purely to maximise interest and debt at the cost of those who depends on those services the most.
Loan interest is one of the main reasons we operate in a "line-must-go-up" society right now. If you loan out money and require that that much money plus a percentage be paid back, you are requiring that money spent returns back a surplus somehow. Making even is considered a failure in this system.
You have a point, but originally interest was both compensation for the lander for offering you the loan, and a way to mitigate risk in case you fail to pay. Without interest, why would anyone lend a random stranger some money? Interest is basically the only things that props up an unsecured loan.
Generally you would loan someone money without interest because the result would be mutually beneficial. We already do this in smaller social circles like our families, and then our close friends. The problem is that most lenders arent local and dont live in the community. They have no shared interest with the borrower.
In some cases communities do come together and raise funds interest free, and use them for something that benefits society in some way, we just wouldnt describe it that way normally.
There's nothing wrong with that in theory. It's just a way of making sure resources are being used in a productive way. But it doesn't actually work that well.
For loans interest I think it should be bog simple to give and receive a loan as in “you’re borrowing $200. Please give me $210 by X date” and its done. No number that increases infinitely, the common person can easily understand it and it can be easily taught in schools.
Private insurance companies
Capitalism
Tipping
Wage labor.
Aka wage theft
pretty sure they meant wage slavery
Health insurance
Depends on the country I believe. I've got a refund for my sixth eye surgery a couple of months ago thanks to my insurance.
Wow, how do you manage? Like - do they even make glasses for people with that many eyes?
I laughed out loud in class at this
Correct. I am only referring to the U.S. health insurance industry
Extended Warranties.
Scientific journals/publishers
As a scientist, yes, it is a horrible scam. The scientists give them rights to the paper for free. The reviewers review for free. Then they charge other people to look at it. And now they came up with open access where the scientists have to pay out of pocket (aka usually with public funds) for the whole process. Meanwhile the review process gets worse and worse, and their profit margin gets bigger and bigger. Last time for a 'high impact' journal, I had people in Sri Lanka copy editing my article writing messages to me in broken English. It is all a horrific scam
Capitalism
Free market capitalism
"Earning a living".
Implies that you don't deserve to live. But they also make a large number of cheaper ways to live illegal. Buy some woodland away from town and live in a tent or caravan? No, can't have you doing that.
Suburbia, and by extension big-box stores. Hell, the entire fucking American economy is a huge scam just waiting to permanently collapse.
Democracy.
This world is what people voted for? Yeah?
Fake elections, fake democracy. The president of USA is a puppet controlled by secret societies, and thats why nothing ever changes.
People cant even choose candidates. Everyone has to be rich to be president. Because money is what controls people. If you dont have that greed, you cant be controlled by the system. Thats why everyone powerful is rich.
You mean democracy in the US, not all over the world.
If you have a functioning example of democracy I have a bridge to sell you.
There's a lot of worse options out there but western democracy on the whole doesn't really represent the "demos" in any real sense - that's both good and bad of course, but it's also not democracy.
There are better and worse democracies. Overall, democracy this decade is on the decline: https://www.v-dem.net/publications/democracy-reports/
Greek democracy was chosen at random through a lottery. It was extremely successful.
How often did slaves win the lottery?
I dont understand your point. Slavery can be bad while a lottery based democracy can be good. There not related other than having the ability to exist at the same time? Slavery also existed in many voting based representative democracies like the Roman empire and American deomocratic republic.
It isn't secret societies, it is class society. Capitalists rule over production and the government, that is the state, runs the political institutions that keep the masses of people out of power, while keeping the rich calling most of the shots.
Democracy contradicts class society, but it is a stage in a process. Democracy needs to be defended. This version of "democracy," with parliaments and congresses and presidents, has always been the form of democracy that the rich owners have wanted, because it serves their interests. Now maybe less so, but the problem with it isnt its democratic nature, but in fact that it is largely, by design and historic precedence, democracy for the rich.
And in capitalism, the interests of the rich and poor are opposite, by nature. What is good for them is bad for us, because the more we work and the less they pay us, the richer they get. It isnt that democracy is a "sham", but their democracy is designed for the rich freaks, whether or not they are baby eating occultists, or Mormons, or engineers. If you want to have power you have to put people below you, and if you want to keep power you have to continually put people under you at an increasing rate. If not, someone will steal your power, because if they didn't, someone would steal both of your power. Everyone competes, that's how the system gets everyone to cooperate.
But parliamentary democracy was an improvement over monarchies. Within that framework, the rest of us were able to struggle for more rights, people could fight for freedom with solidarity.
The rich, including members of elitist occultist secret groups, want rid of it. They think more cops and more surveillance will make it so they don't have to deal with costly civil infrastructure, they will just use direct force to control everyone, not just the lower classes and heavily exploited people. They want rid of democracy because the profits aren't coming in fast enough, which is why guys like Trump who are really good at legal crime, bleeding and butchering corporate empires for personal and investor gain, are given the reigns of real power. To bleed and butcher the social democracies of EU and planned economies of East Asia, to cash every check and strongarm every loan, that has been written by every president and supreme court ruling for the past 70-100 years.
Climate catastrophe is inevitable, the social contract is expired. The only chance we have is to show solidarity together and organize for the power of workers and everybody who has it rough working for some faceless corporation, depending on dwindling govt welfare or shitty min wage paychecks. Its happened before and it will happen again. We need better forms of democracy that serve our interests not theirs. Organization and leadership from below, not rule from above. The basis for it is solidarity, not elections or parliament. And the rich hate and fear other forms of democracy, especially forms of mass democracy.
The rich want us to reject democracy the way they have. They've been maintaining this system that disenfranchises most people, and now they think they can get a better deal. But as they cut away at the institutions that maintained our bare-minimum "civil society" they cut away the illusions that made people feel safe, or at least hopeful. But that doesn't mean that the illusions won't get replaced with new ones, like that democracy is a sham.
Democracy doesn't exist unless we fight for it. People stopped fighting and so it started slipping away. Rationalizing the loss of our rights as a good thing is not the right kind of defeatism. As long as the rich exist, the poor exist; and the poorer we are the richer they get. The only way to fight and win is to organize on the basis of the best interests of an international working class, and the most potent offense and defense our class has is progressive, mass democracy.
Windows
Oh you know... vaguely gestures at everything
Work.
Using non-free (proprietary) software and believing we are free to do anything we want with the software. But we can do only what the app (the devs) let us to do. We can't see or edit the code of program to run as we wish.
Dying.
Everyone thinks that you are supposed to go to the hospital when you are dying as if they are going to like, stop you from dying.
Mostly what they do is make sure that you don't leave anything behind for your kids to inherit as they spend a million dollars a day keeping you a miserable vegetable for a week.
Once that is done the funeral industry shows up to make sure that you dump the rest into buying a worthless box and digging a hole.
When my father died a while back we decided to cremate him. The amount of money they suggested we spend on a casket that was literally going up in smoke was ridiculous.
similar problems in aged care honestly. Many people would rather sign away the equity in their parents' estate to an aged care provider, then actually care for their aging parents in their time of absolute vulnerability.
Aren't hospitals mostly free? Or tax payer funded.
Your ID identifies you as Australian, mate. Afaik public hospitals are free / publicly funded in Australia, just as it should be. But that's unfortunately not true for everyone.
Humorously, hospitals really don't want you to die when you're there. It's a lot of paperwork. Nothing kicks the social worker or case manager into overdrive like the doctor saying there is much less than 6 months left to live on the hospice paperwork.
Everyone thinks that you are supposed to go to the hospital when you are dying
Do they? I often hear of people wanting to die at home if they have the choice, there is also hospice care. Hospital would only make sense if you have something that might be possible to treat, at least at the point of deciding to go.
Glad to have the NHS though, so there is no cost to worry about. Pretty sure you can get cremated for under £1k, you don't need to get a gold plated box.
The whole Trump administration and all of the lies, including all of the so called, assasination attempts. Don't believe a thing coming out from that circus.
Paying rent for land. Unfortunately it's been that way since feudalism and the progressive movements over the last few hundred years haven't managed to break out of it
Not entirely true, socialist countries have managed to do it or severely limit it.
And if that scam will never go away, I just want to know who is on the earning end of that scam, and how can I become that person.
how can I become that person
be born a millionaire.
Keep telling that to yourself
Capitalism. The state. Cops.
Why did you say the same thing three times?
Shrinkflation.
i think people are still mad about shrinkflation and rightfully see it as a scam.
nothing a couple more decades of it can't solve though.
I don't know, I've heard some fairly smart people say some very positive stuff about how reduction of package sizes saves on calories, for one.
on the other hand there will always be the boot lickers.
Inflation. The money you have is worth less every year by design. It's a secret tax on all of us.
Tbf we should always aim for slight inflation. You want to incentivize people to use their money on things so it circulates, and it being slightly depreciating is the best way to do that.
If it was the best option long term to just stuff money into a mattress and sit on it for a decade then that has it's own problems
"best way to do that" for who? corporate profits, or humanity?
The best inflation is zero. The second best is slight inflation. The third best is slight deflation. Because they can't control it that well they aim for slight inflation so it doesn't go negative.
For some people? Pre-ordering digital games. I mean huh? What are ye even doin there Jimmy-Bob? You afraid they're gonna run out of copies? O.o
Edit: digitally delivered, like say, Steam or GoG games.
Crypto
religion
Credit scores!
Subscriptions
Being told to go therapy, instead of being told to burn down the oligarchy.

It’s all part of the plan to pacify you…and others. People have been convinced they can solve everything with some calm chat and a hug.
Banks.
Using YOUR money to make a lot of money from investing in horrible companies.
Fees for leaving.
Lottery tickets, its everywhere. It gets shoved in my mailbox all the time. To me its just gambling but then with worse odds... How is it legal to market it so much?
Car finance. It’s so prevalent, I think I’m literally the only one on our road that doesn’t drive a 1 year old, brand new, financed car. Literally everyone is like “but it’s only $499/month and I can just hand it back when I want a new one”. Well shit, yes, but try tallying up what you’ve paid for running all these new cars every three years.
Save up instead and continue saving after you bought the car. Then you can afford a different car later.
Religion.
Religion is tricky. Most people search for meaning in life, and religions are an answer to that need.
But linking religion to nations is the root of evil. Not being Catholic in Italy will cause you a lot of headaches, for example, yet you should be able to choose any religion you like and follow it freely.
So I would say the real issue is the interplay between religion and power, and discrimination on religious grounds.
I would say the real issue is the interplay between religion and power, and discrimination on religious grounds.
The issue is always the justification of irrationality.
Insurance
AI being stuffed down our throat at every corner
Spyware. Make it stop.
capitalism
Countdown-Timer on e.g. Amazon that try to FOMO-pressure me into buying the item. Edit: typo
basically everything,i guess.
Those "rent a e-bike/scooter for your commute" apps. Doesn't take that many rides to exceed the cost of getting your own. If you find yourself using those regularly just save up to buy an e-bike/scooter.
A lot of it is having bikes wherever, and not having to worry about securing it.
our city had a great service when it was manual bikes. you could get a yearly membership for about the cost of a monthly bus pass. allowed for one hour but you could dock and undock anywhere to restart the clock. No per minut or per mile fee. Once they started doing e-bikes the problem is they stopped stocking regular bikes as much and now you don't know if any will be at a docking station when you get there and the ebikes have an extra cost outside of the membership.
Here in China, the yellow scooters/ebikes cost about 40 cents for a 30 minute ride.
In Japan, I think the LUUP scooters were 1.50 USD for the first 30 minutes, but you could get a monthly pass that capped how much you could get charged.
People hire bikes for a commute? I only ever saw bike hires as something you might do on holiday or a trip somewhere. Not daily.
Where I live they also have these very restricted service areas where you have to be in if you want to be able to park the scooter, otherwise the app simply won't let you end the session and pay. Not sure how they even determine these areas, I wouldn't be surprised if the competing scooter companies here have their own territory and keep people locked in for the mutual benefit of the companies and at the cost of anyone wanting to commute with these things.
And aside from all that, as you said they are extremely expensive even for a ride around the block, and also very dangerous if the roads are designed with only cars in mind.
I rented a scooter in iceland and - long story - dropped my phone just while renting it. Thus, renting a scooter was $400 that day.
The stock market. It’s not investment, it’s gambling. It’s also rigged by the power brokers and insider traders.
Car dealerships
Multi Level Marketing
Temu
Influencers
AI subscriptions
AIsubscriptions
AI and subscriptions
Capitalism
Came here for that answer. Large concentrations of wealth generate structural power that can distort political decisions and markets in a way that serves to perpetuate itself. This creates a virtuous circle in which capital shapes return conditions / regulation / access advantages in such a way as to systematically favour further capital growth.
This is how Entropy manifests. We are Entropy machines.
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Preach
copyright
Societal expectations to move out of your parents' house when you turn 18. It's a scam to get you to become more profitable to corporate America. You're an adult now. You need to buy a car you can't afford, get a mortgage you don't want, insure it all to protect the bank, all to go to a job you don't want, but now need so that you can afford these "nice things."
But if you stay with your parents, even if you actually enjoy it, you're a failure.
Education system
Maybe a bit more spicy. And I’m not against education itself. Just seems like an obviously contingent system that’s got a monopolistic lock on “demand” while having glaring issues around its quality.
Just to get the context. Are you writing about the United States of America, some other countries or the West in general?
A related controversial topic related to education is the Bologna Process: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_Process
I don’t know anything about this, actually! What’s the controversy?
Many post-Soviet countries migrated from Soviet-style education to the standardized Bologna process ones. The quality of education in those countries dropped sharply. Many professors resisted the Bologna process and were able to form cultured students.
In Italy there was a similar process, where they migrated from an education system that forced you to write essays to one where you put a check into the right answer. The difference has deep psychological consequences. In one case, the possibilities are infinite, you can write anything you want, even draw. In the other case, there are four possible choices and you pick the one that sounds more realistic.
You can find more information here: https://frankfurtrights.com/Books/Details/unaccomplished-utopia-13358364
Ah! Yea, resonates strongly with where I was coming from.
Something, I suppose, like “not all good things can be scaled and mechanised, and not all scaled and mechanised things are good”.
Tipping (for the US and so), Tax and Rents
Progressive tax (based on income as well as the value of the item) isn't a scam. Flat fee is a scam (eg: a hypothetical 0.02 cents to support veterans). Percentage based taxes like sales tax aren't much better. Cliff based tax like luxury taxes are better but not as good as progressive taxes
I've always been in favour of tiered consumption taxes. Basic neccessities of life aren't taxed. Sorta nice stuff gets taxed a bit. Uber lux stuff and harmful stuff gets taxed all the fucking way.
Example: bus pass? Free. Subcompact cheap EV? 20% tax. Lambo? 300% tax.
Rich fuckers have way too many ways of getting out of paying income tax. Tax the stuff instead so that you can't live like a rich person without paying the kind of taxes rich people should be paying.
Business class ticket? 300% tax. Please have fun
Exactly.
I like tipping (in the US). I feel like servers would be a lot less friendly if they weren't so directly incentivized to be nice. Plus I've been treated somewhat gruffly by servers in countries that do not have tips. Maybe that is just dislike of U.S. citizens.
Ah yes, the culture of punishing people pre-emptively with the threat of not being able to afford to live, in order to force them to be nice to your smug ass
| Maybe that is just dislike of U.S. citizens.
Quit possibly. I live in a country without a strong tipping culture and people are (generally) nice.
So you say you have to pay people to be nice? Thats fucked up…
Cordless power tools. Yes, they are useful in concept, but today they're just a loss-leader to sell you overpriced batteries.
I wouldn't call that a scam. (Modern) Cordless power tools are fucking incredible despite the branded batteries being a rip-off. I literally have corded tools that I don't even use because extension cords are a real pain in the ass some times.
As the other commenter shared, in Germany they're working on an interchangeable battery system. In the U.S., the manufacturers sell intro bundles cheaply to get us locked into their "ecosystem." That's the scam part. I've got a drill and impact driver set that i paid less for than the replacement cost of the included batteries. It's the same scheme as inkjet printers.
Right I won't deny the branded batteries are overpriced but that has nothing to do with the cordless power tools themselves, and with regard to Germany, I'm not sure what there really is to "work on" considering every pack is already the same 20V pack of 18650s with a few wires, a universal battery management system, and copper electrical contacts. "We're working on it" is just an excuse to continue this practice while pretending like "we hear your concerns."
I hate how the batteries are always incompatible with every other tool except (sometimes) the ones by the same manufacturer. Its tempting to get a petrol generator instead and just use corded tools.
Here in Germany at least, the OEMs are working together battery wise. The battery from X fits in Y and Z, whilst the battery from Y fits in X and Z.
You can buy adapters to use other batteries...it's an extra step but doable,
Now picturing a McGregor to Parkside to Ryobi to Bosch to ....
Massive stack of battery converters that ends up looping back round. Now you can take any tool and any battery and just split the stack where necessary. Of course if you want to go Parkside to McGregor you are going to have to have every single adapter in the stack.
Don't think I'm not tempted to try linking everything
Bots farming engagement, huh just like this one!
Ugh, I didn't even think to check, but that's a pretty bare history. I've noticed some shitty questions lately, like the generic reddit drivel the other day about 'what do you miss about pre-internet?'
haha I'm actually a student, our professor wants us to ask questions and study stuff about lemmy and I just chose a random popular question from reddit
Insurance, private utilities, the internet, phones, etc.
Liberalism
40 hour work weeks
•Buying home •Private insurance •New cars •Haircuts •Eating at expensive restaurant •Fast food •Subscriptions instead of owning •Brands •Cotton-swab not for ear •Jiffylube •Carbon emissions from consumer vehicles •Tariffs •Freetrade agreements •Food deliver services
How do you think used cars exist if there aren’t people that buy new ones?
And… owning a home? Huh?
Auto industry and housing markets are the scams, buying a new car or or buying a house, depending on where you live, is a scam today. The big con is that going into debt is normal and just what you do.
cotton swabs?
Water companies, when there's only one in the area. I've played this boardgame before...
Career ladder bullshit. Including wage theft. Religion.
Feeling extra edgy today! Society's a scam, maaan!
Democracy
The middle class in general in a lot of countries
"democracy"?
Most contractors or companies providing services related to home maintenance/improvement. I guess it's not really a 'scam' but you are getting charged 10x+ the cost to do whatever when you could probably do it yourself with some research and persistence.
Tax filing companies. Individual taxes are pretty straightforward in most cases. Our tax laws are just completely screwed up.
Health insurance and tax information can easily be handled by the government.
Streaming services
Enshittification
Is anyone really accepting it?
I sure ain't.
Bullshit convenience fees.
Artichokes. You pay for the whole thing but throw away half of it, you literally have to scrape the value out of it with your teeth.
But if you dip each bit of that value in butter....
FUCK I FORGOT TO PLANT AN ARTICHOKE BUSH LAST NOVEMBER IM RUINED
i'm gonna have to buy artichokes this year my life is over.
Oh this is easy. Politics, insurance, college. The list goes on.
Pants
Mfs really said "hey lets make skirts but uncomfy" and we ate it up
Rent.
Big box store plant offerings. Clones of the same mother plants at best, highly invasive and unregulated at worst. Seriously most carry invasive plants that destroy ecosystems.
Big-box stores are a scam, period. Their whole business model is driving smaller local shops out of business and becoming the only game in town, and then completely screwing that town over when they leave.
Credit card "points" and travel miles. The only "points" that matter are the dollar. (or whatever currency)
Interest.
The thing about good scams is that they exist in the grey area between fraud and real services.
Almost every answer in this thread is an example of this. Insurance for example - this is when you pay someone else to take responsibility for a risk. The modern economy couldn't exist without it. However, there are plenty of insurance policies which don't provide much value and are more like fraud than a real service.
FIAT money
discounts. its all pre-calculated in the price
cold calling.
also robo-calls.
Presidency
Tax
Termite bonds
Advertising.
Hallmark Holidays
Expensive tips, already calculated into the bill.
Inflation
Taxes